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(CNN)   France has decided that if Syria used chemical weapons, that the U.S. should do something about it   (cnn.com) divider line 215
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2013-08-22 08:49:29 AM
Somebody damned well should. During my entire time in the Army, it was impressed strongly upon me that NBC weapons were a real game changer, and that once they got used things would ramp up like crazy.  It seems that I was decieved.

If the UN can't agree that this warrents the use of strong military force, I will lose confidence in the institution.  Frankly, I would rather see this done as a UN thing, because it really IS one of those "crimes against humanity" things.  The US going in alone, even for the best of reasons, never seems to work out for us in the long run.
 
2013-08-22 08:49:32 AM

Fista-Phobia: rubi_con_man: This is going to sound really sad, but I am ready to just walk away from the Middle East.

How about we just stop doing business there...
Stop flying planes there ...
stop issuing visas to anyone there ...
deny all immigration from there ...
Stop trading there ...
Cut off the Internet top-level routing there ...
Screw 'em. I am sick of caring about pretty much anything or anyone between Egypt, Turkey and Afghanistan.

Because dead dinosaurs.


Nah... we've got plenty of their goo right here.
 
2013-08-22 08:50:59 AM
Of course Russia is blocking any action in Syria.  They have enough problems at home dealing with Islamic extremists.  They have absolutely zero interest in keeping Islamic extremists from being wiped out abroad.  They are quite content to allow them to keep killing each other in Syria.
 
2013-08-22 08:52:16 AM

Klopfer: bbfreak: Oakenshield: The article says that?

Not exactly, but do you seriously think the French could pull something off by themselves?

They did in Mali. And by the way: there are more countries in the world than the USA and France.


Yes, I am aware that there are more countries in the world than the US and France. Like Russia, which has supplied weapons to Syria and has ties with the government there. Last I checked the last time France was in Syria they got thrown out. Yet here they are basically saying that if the UN doesn't act, they will.

As for Mali, that was small potatoes compared to Syria. They are welcome to try though.
 
2013-08-22 08:52:57 AM

SlothB77: Outrageous Muff: You have two choices:

Not do anything

Create a new Iraq/Afghanistan

Its going to be an iraq/ afghanistan whether we go in there or not.

France can go fark themselves.  Now they want us to intervene with a middle eastern country with chemical weapons?  fark off.

Obama is looking really weak right now with Egypt and Syria.  You don't even hear him condemning them.  The Middle East is a mess right now and he isn't doing a damn thing.  He/ we are allowing evil forces to win.  Evil is killing innocents in Egypt.  Evil is gassing innocents in Syria.  We are allowing evil to spread, to win.  If you allow evil there, don't be surprised when it shows up on your block too.


BSABSVR. Boring. So tired of necon logic.
 
2013-08-22 08:55:06 AM
.
Sigh.
.
 
2013-08-22 08:55:10 AM
We've all heard of preemptive attack, I guess it would be France that invents preemptive surrender.
 
2013-08-22 08:55:27 AM

Click Click D'oh: Of course Russia is blocking any action in Syria.


They can only block UN action, not unilateral US action. And at the moment, pissing off Russia would be a feature not a bug of the US making things go boom in Syria.
 
2013-08-22 08:56:17 AM

Klopfer: bearcats1983: I love how the US is expected to be the world's policeman until it's not.

I love how the US always pretend it's all about them.
France: "We think the international community should do something." USA: "Oh noes, they want the USA to do everything in the world!"
France didn't say anything about the US in particular. UN. Not US.


And who do you think the UN goes to when they need something done militarily?  Russia?  China?  The European powers?  In Desert Storm, the US made up 75% of all forces. In Kosovo is was almost everything.

We're good with not intervening, The American people have had enough of conflict overseas.  Just remember that you said you didn't want our help when you start getting bodybags back by the hundreds.  No whining about American isolationism then.
 
2013-08-22 08:58:24 AM

Fista-Phobia: rubi_con_man: This is going to sound really sad, but I am ready to just walk away from the Middle East.

How about we just stop doing business there...
Stop flying planes there ...
stop issuing visas to anyone there ...
deny all immigration from there ...
Stop trading there ...
Cut off the Internet top-level routing there ...
Screw 'em. I am sick of caring about pretty much anything or anyone between Egypt, Turkey and Afghanistan.

Because dead dinosaurs.


Exactly.  This something I think is so funny about the national security crowd: they are the last ones to support getting us off of fossil fuels.  It's almost like there is a large oil field services company, that is also a military contractor, lobbying politicians.

Criminy, I hate to give credit to any politician, R or D, but Eisenhower was right:

 "In the councils of government,we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist. "
 
2013-08-22 09:00:31 AM

1nsanilicious: I stopped reading the news long ago and am much happier for it, except for the occasional fark excursion.

It's silly to assume you have any personal say in international affairs so might as well focus your time and energy on things you can personally improve.


i kinda see what you're saying.

i don't read 'news' per se because the press can diaf frankly, but when ones fellow man is being royally bent over in far off lands im not sure how human it is to say 'don't wanna know'.

im not critisicing you, just articualting a thought process I have had myself recently
 
2013-08-22 09:02:18 AM

jakrabit: Fista-Phobia: rubi_con_man: This is going to sound really sad, but I am ready to just walk away from the Middle East.

How about we just stop doing business there...
Stop flying planes there ...
stop issuing visas to anyone there ...
deny all immigration from there ...
Stop trading there ...
Cut off the Internet top-level routing there ...
Screw 'em. I am sick of caring about pretty much anything or anyone between Egypt, Turkey and Afghanistan.

Because dead dinosaurs.

Nah... we've got plenty of their goo right here.


I hear ya. The powers that be seek to make a profit and our government is more than happy to pick up the cost of doing business. The profiteers don't care about where it is.
 
2013-08-22 09:02:23 AM

fireclown: Somebody damned well should.
.


How about Turkey?  They're right next door, they have a modern military, and Assad's troops would be scared to death of them.
 
2013-08-22 09:02:40 AM
I think we just found those WMD that went missing from Iraq.
 
2013-08-22 09:05:31 AM
Syria is in Asia.
Let's not go there.
 
2013-08-22 09:08:37 AM

vudukungfu: Syria is in Asia.
Let's not go there.


blogs.oc.edu
 
2013-08-22 09:08:37 AM

brimed03: .
Sigh.
.


Right? They don't even realize it, either.
 
2013-08-22 09:09:58 AM

StrikitRich: France pulled their forces out of NATO 50 years ago, so let them break out their own white flag this time.

If it's UN forces, then they might look pretty good in baby blue.


Yeah, about that...France rejoined full membership in 2009.
 
2013-08-22 09:10:02 AM

tirob: fireclown: Somebody damned well should.
.

How about Turkey?  They're right next door, they have a modern military, and Assad's troops would be scared to death of them.


This. Russia and Turkey should handle this. Too bad they're on opposing sides. Anyone want to replay 1828-29? How about 1878-79?
 
2013-08-22 09:16:42 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: When I saw the images last night dead and dying kids all I personally could think of was the moment in the Punisher Dirty Laundry short where Frank is standing in the doorway watching the violence unfold outside and the liquor store owner sits there and says "Makes you wanna do something, doesn't it?"

And right now we're just standing in the doorway doing nothing, lamenting "There's always a war on somewhere"

Enough is farking enough. Strategically bomb Assad's army into the farking ground, institute a no fly zone and inform the rebels that in the end game when kids die whoever killed em is dying as well...no matter which side.


So the military is a-okay when they're bombing people you don't like?

Got it.
 
2013-08-22 09:22:25 AM

verbaltoxin: So the military is a-okay when they're bombing people you don't like?


No, when they are bombing people who are killing people. Justified and rational response is that if you cannot NOT kill those around you then perhaps breathing should be difficult during your daily life.
 
2013-08-22 09:26:44 AM

SlothB77: Obama is looking really weak right now with Egypt and Syria.  You don't even hear him condemning them.  The Middle East is a mess right now and he isn't doing a damn thing.  He/ we are allowing evil forces to win.  Evil is killing innocents in Egypt.  Evil is gassing innocents in Syria.  We are allowing evil to spread, to win.  If you allow evil there, don't be surprised when it shows up on your block too.


So what would you do?  Condemn their actions verbally and do nothing?  Wouldn't that look weak?  Would you pick a side in Egypt or Syria?  You say "evil" is gassing innocents in Syria, so would you take the side of Al-Qaeda?  You say "evil" is killing innocents in Egypt, so would you support the Muslim Brotherhood there?  If Obama picked the sides you're calling "innocent," you'd be on here ranting about how he's using American military might to support Al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood.  If he did the opposite, we'd all hear about how Assad and Egypt's military gov't aren't legitimate.

SlothB77: Let them kill each other until they are all gone?


Oh, so you'd ALSO do nothing---the exact same thing Obama is doing right now.  Didn't you just describe this exact strategy as "allowing evil to win?"  Or are you just oversimplifying an incredibly complex foreign policy situation (that has no good outcomes and which US intervention really can't do anything but exacerbate) and criticizing any course of action because you don't like the president's party affiliation?

Do nothing: supportin' evil
Support Assad/Egypt's militar government: supportin' evil
Support rebels/Muslim Brotherhood: you better believe that's supportin' evil
 
2013-08-22 09:29:01 AM

HMS_Blinkin: Do nothing: supportin' evil
Support Assad/Egypt's militar government: supportin' evil
Support rebels/Muslim Brotherhood: you better believe that's supportin' evil


Yeah, but we gotta be in there fighting and kicking ass because ... because ... Murka looks weak! They look weak because people are dying over there!
 
2013-08-22 09:31:51 AM

Fista-Phobia: jakrabit: Fista-Phobia: rubi_con_man: This is going to sound really sad, but I am ready to just walk away from the Middle East.

How about we just stop doing business there...
Stop flying planes there ...
stop issuing visas to anyone there ...
deny all immigration from there ...
Stop trading there ...
Cut off the Internet top-level routing there ...
Screw 'em. I am sick of caring about pretty much anything or anyone between Egypt, Turkey and Afghanistan.

Because dead dinosaurs.

Nah... we've got plenty of their goo right here.

I hear ya. The powers that be seek to make a profit and our government is more than happy to pick up the cost of doing business. The profiteers don't care about where it is.


While  "we" may have plenty of goo the rest of world ie. Europe and Asia do not.  Since the economy is global  you might want to think the impact to our own economy should theirs suffer an oil shock.

Yes we still make and export stuff-it helps to have people who can buy it:

management.curiouscatblog.net


www.mapsofworld.com

Contrary to what the Ron Paulistas would have you believe we have never existed in economic isolation.  In fact, per capita, our population was more dependent on foreign trade in 1776 that in 2013.
 
2013-08-22 09:33:16 AM

vudukungfu: Syria is in Asia.
Let's not go there.


Foreign policy decisions should definitely be based on quotes from 80's movies.
 
2013-08-22 09:41:42 AM
I'm confused, why are we worried about Syria?

They are not even top 20 in oil reserves
 
2013-08-22 09:42:24 AM

The First Four Katy Perry Albums: vudukungfu: Syria is in Asia.
Let's not go there.

Foreign policy decisions should definitely be based on quotes from 80's movies.


It's OK the original quote "Never fight a land war in Asia" isn't from an 80s movie it was from General Douglas MacArthur to President Kennedy in 1961.  Seeing as MacArthur was Chief of Staff of the US Army and Supreme Commander of all Allied forces in the Second World War, we may want to take heed.
 
2013-08-22 09:46:17 AM

HMS_Blinkin: SlothB77: Obama is looking really weak right now with Egypt and Syria.  You don't even hear him condemning them.  The Middle East is a mess right now and he isn't doing a damn thing.  He/ we are allowing evil forces to win.  Evil is killing innocents in Egypt.  Evil is gassing innocents in Syria.  We are allowing evil to spread, to win.  If you allow evil there, don't be surprised when it shows up on your block too.

So what would you do?  Condemn their actions verbally and do nothing?  Wouldn't that look weak?  Would you pick a side in Egypt or Syria?  You say "evil" is gassing innocents in Syria, so would you take the side of Al-Qaeda?  You say "evil" is killing innocents in Egypt, so would you support the Muslim Brotherhood there?  If Obama picked the sides you're calling "innocent," you'd be on here ranting about how he's using American military might to support Al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood.  If he did the opposite, we'd all hear about how Assad and Egypt's military gov't aren't legitimate.

SlothB77: Let them kill each other until they are all gone?

Oh, so you'd ALSO do nothing---the exact same thing Obama is doing right now.  Didn't you just describe this exact strategy as "allowing evil to win?"  Or are you just oversimplifying an incredibly complex foreign policy situation (that has no good outcomes and which US intervention really can't do anything but exacerbate) and criticizing any course of action because you don't like the president's party affiliation?

Do nothing: supportin' evil
Support Assad/Egypt's militar government: supportin' evil
Support rebels/Muslim Brotherhood: you better believe that's supportin' evil


tell me what to do. I don't know what to do. i'm not kidding
 
2013-08-22 09:49:17 AM

AngryDragon: The First Four Katy Perry Albums: vudukungfu: Syria is in Asia.
Let's not go there.

Foreign policy decisions should definitely be based on quotes from 80's movies.

It's OK the original quote "Never fight a land war in Asia" isn't from an 80s movie it was from General Douglas MacArthur to President Kennedy in 1961.  Seeing as MacArthur was Chief of Staff of the US Army and Supreme Commander of all Allied forces in the Second World War, we may want to take heed.


you don't need to fight a land war to set up a no-fly zone.
 
2013-08-22 09:52:27 AM
My 2 cents? Punitive expedition. Go in hard, fast, and heavy. Kill people. Break things. Don't bother with civil affairs, rebuilding, or trying to set up a friendly government. After a fixed period of time (30,60, or 90 days), pull out and let their neighbors do all the muddling work of rebuilding their country and setting up a new government.

If the world want us to act like their cop, we should oblige and do things a cop does. A cop stops the trouble and hands over the perpetrator to someone else. Let the Arab League take on the headaches of fixing the mess they wanted us to take care of. Maybe instead of buying solid-gold toilets and building mile-high skyscrapers with their petro-dollars, they can clean up their own messes.
 
2013-08-22 09:59:45 AM

dumbobruni: you don't need to fight a land war to set up a no-fly zone


Opposition activists said that more than 1,000 people were killed after government forces launched rockets with toxic agents into the Damascus suburbs in the Ghouta region early on Wednesday.  A no-fly zone helps how now?
 
2013-08-22 10:00:09 AM

Lady J: HMS_Blinkin: SlothB77: Obama is looking really weak right now with Egypt and Syria.  You don't even hear him condemning them.  The Middle East is a mess right now and he isn't doing a damn thing.  He/ we are allowing evil forces to win.  Evil is killing innocents in Egypt.  Evil is gassing innocents in Syria.  We are allowing evil to spread, to win.  If you allow evil there, don't be surprised when it shows up on your block too.

So what would you do?  Condemn their actions verbally and do nothing?  Wouldn't that look weak?  Would you pick a side in Egypt or Syria?  You say "evil" is gassing innocents in Syria, so would you take the side of Al-Qaeda?  You say "evil" is killing innocents in Egypt, so would you support the Muslim Brotherhood there?  If Obama picked the sides you're calling "innocent," you'd be on here ranting about how he's using American military might to support Al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood.  If he did the opposite, we'd all hear about how Assad and Egypt's military gov't aren't legitimate.

SlothB77: Let them kill each other until they are all gone?

Oh, so you'd ALSO do nothing---the exact same thing Obama is doing right now.  Didn't you just describe this exact strategy as "allowing evil to win?"  Or are you just oversimplifying an incredibly complex foreign policy situation (that has no good outcomes and which US intervention really can't do anything but exacerbate) and criticizing any course of action because you don't like the president's party affiliation?

Do nothing: supportin' evil
Support Assad/Egypt's militar government: supportin' evil
Support rebels/Muslim Brotherhood: you better believe that's supportin' evil

tell me what to do. I don't know what to do. i'm not kidding


Drink some coffee (or tea). Work. Spend time with your family and friends. Donate to causes you believe in. And accept that people sometimes engage in mortal conflict and their ain't sh*t you can do about it.
 
2013-08-22 10:08:50 AM
Nadie_AZ:
Drink some coffee (or tea). Work. Spend time with your family and friends. Donate to causes you believe in. And accept that people sometimes engage in mortal conflict and their ain't sh*t you can do about it.

The human condition.  Kinda sucks, doesn't it?
 
2013-08-22 10:08:56 AM

JohnCarter: I'm confused, why are we worried about Syria?

They are not even top 20 in oil reserves


Paging Tatsuma.
 
2013-08-22 10:09:04 AM
Park a carrier group off the coast.  Mail a letter with a proposed cost to the UN.  Offer to take care of the problem if they will just put a $1 billion retainer on a card.  Make sure that the Sec. of the UN signs a personal guarantee.  Then establish a no-fly zone where our pilots can practice their anti-radar attacks and stuff.
 
2013-08-22 10:12:45 AM

mbillips: tirob: fireclown: Somebody damned well should.
.

How about Turkey?  They're right next door, they have a modern military, and Assad's troops would be scared to death of them.

This. Russia and Turkey should handle this. Too bad they're on opposing sides. Anyone want to replay 1828-29? How about 1878-79?


I concur.  If this can be handled as a regional problem, it should be.  The Russians have been really standoffish about Syria, but the Turks would be almost ideal.  They have a strong military, they understand the region, and most importantly they aren't a bunch of invading American crusader types.
 
2013-08-22 10:15:09 AM
Odd as this sounds, I think we should sink their navy and clear cut their naval infrastructure. Come right out and say ' you used a WMD and this is our measured response penalty, you want to double down?'  It is something that would hurt the
Syrian government and the military establishment without getting involved in the no good options civil war, it would inconvenience the Russians who want to use the facilities, there isn't a lot to their naval branch so we could do it in a weekend, and the cost of a few munitions would be offset by the field test real world data it would provide- it would be the neatest thing we've done since the Spanish American War.
 
2013-08-22 10:16:41 AM
The US will be more than happy to intervene in the rebellion they created and have been funding since the beginning.  And US citizens will fall for the same tired "cleanin' up the world's evil" propaganda that they trot out time after time.
 
2013-08-22 10:17:00 AM

hasty ambush: Fista-Phobia: jakrabit: Fista-Phobia: rubi_con_man: This is going to sound really sad, but I am ready to just walk away from the Middle East.

How about we just stop doing business there...
Stop flying planes there ...
stop issuing visas to anyone there ...
deny all immigration from there ...
Stop trading there ...
Cut off the Internet top-level routing there ...
Screw 'em. I am sick of caring about pretty much anything or anyone between Egypt, Turkey and Afghanistan.

Because dead dinosaurs.

Nah... we've got plenty of their goo right here.

I hear ya. The powers that be seek to make a profit and our government is more than happy to pick up the cost of doing business. The profiteers don't care about where it is.

While  "we" may have plenty of goo the rest of world ie. Europe and Asia do not.  Since the economy is global  you might want to think the impact to our own economy should theirs suffer an oil shock.

Yes we still make and export stuff-it helps to have people who can buy it:

[management.curiouscatblog.net image 700x356]


[www.mapsofworld.com image 800x600]

Contrary to what the Ron Paulistas would have you believe we have never existed in economic isolation.  In fact, per capita, our population was more dependent on foreign trade in 1776 that in 2013.


I agree with your assessment. I was not implying that isolationism is the solution. My point was that oil is the most profitable industry to date, yet the US always seems to pick up the cost of business (death of  our soldiers, war, failed states, spills, pipeline breaks, etc).
 
2013-08-22 10:17:29 AM

HMS_Blinkin: SlothB77: Obama is looking really weak right now with Egypt and Syria.  You don't even hear him condemning them.  The Middle East is a mess right now and he isn't doing a damn thing.  He/ we are allowing evil forces to win.  Evil is killing innocents in Egypt.  Evil is gassing innocents in Syria.  We are allowing evil to spread, to win.  If you allow evil there, don't be surprised when it shows up on your block too.

So what would you do?  Condemn their actions verbally and do nothing?  Wouldn't that look weak?  Would you pick a side in Egypt or Syria?  You say "evil" is gassing innocents in Syria, so would you take the side of Al-Qaeda?  You say "evil" is killing innocents in Egypt, so would you support the Muslim Brotherhood there?  If Obama picked the sides you're calling "innocent," you'd be on here ranting about how he's using American military might to support Al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood.  If he did the opposite, we'd all hear about how Assad and Egypt's military gov't aren't legitimate.

SlothB77: Let them kill each other until they are all gone?

Oh, so you'd ALSO do nothing---the exact same thing Obama is doing right now.  Didn't you just describe this exact strategy as "allowing evil to win?"  Or are you just oversimplifying an incredibly complex foreign policy situation (that has no good outcomes and which US intervention really can't do anything but exacerbate) and criticizing any course of action because you don't like the president's party affiliation?

Do nothing: supportin' evil
Support Assad/Egypt's militar government: supportin' evil
Support rebels/Muslim Brotherhood: you better believe that's supportin' evil


www.miataturbo.net
 
2013-08-22 10:20:38 AM

JohnCarter: I'm confused, why are we worried about Syria?

They are not even top 20 in oil reserves


We need olives for the political prisoners terrorist detainees at Guantanamo.
 
2013-08-22 10:22:17 AM

I_C_Weener: Park a carrier group off the coast.  Mail a letter with a proposed cost to the UN.  Offer to take care of the problem if they will just put a $1 billion retainer on a card.  Make sure that the Sec. of the UN signs a personal guarantee.  Then establish a no-fly zone where our pilots can practice their anti-radar attacks and stuff.


Are you crazy?!  This is...actually...a reasonable idea.  Huh.

We should go mercenary.  We'll come in and do the heavy lifting as a subcontractor.  We bill them for the full cost plus profit and leave when done.  We're so fond of outsourcing to countries that have "expertise we don't have", let's provide outsourcing for what we do better than anyone in the history of the world.
 
2013-08-22 10:22:34 AM
Sorry but Syria is a muslim nation, if you look at the recent history of the middle east, screw them.
 
2013-08-22 10:27:08 AM
 After a fixed period of time (30,60, or 90 days), pull out and let their neighbors do all the muddling work of rebuilding their country and setting up a new government.

I think I see the flaw in your cunning plan...
 
2013-08-22 10:34:42 AM

Misconduc: Sorry but Syria is a muslim nation, if you look at the recent history of the middle east, screw them.


Indeed. Just screw them.
 
2013-08-22 10:41:12 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: "Nothing practical, significant, has been done in the last two years in order to stop the continuing massacre of civilians carried out by the Assad regime," he said. "I think that the investigation of the United Nations is a joke."
                                                               - Yuval Steinitz, Israeli Minister of Strategic Affairs
[i1199.photobucket.com image 200x150]


so what has Israel done about it?  Have they sent in their planes, tanks and bombs to rid the world of Assad?
 
2013-08-22 10:43:00 AM

Nadie_AZ: Misconduc: Sorry but Syria is a muslim nation, if you look at the recent history of the middle east, screw them.

Indeed. Just screw them.


I'd rather just give them all chemical weapons, and send in people to film it (we have a nice prison population, give them time served) - this way we can sell it on paper view to replace the cost of the bombs. Now let the killings begin!
 
2013-08-22 10:46:20 AM
The sad truth is the best possible outcome is an Assad/secular rebels agreement on reforms and alliance under Russian supervision; unless you think the order provided by an Islamic theocracy is better. But that's the entire range of choices here, so we can't very well be dropping a drone on the palace.
 
2013-08-22 10:46:27 AM

HMS_Blinkin: Do nothing: supportin' evil
Support Assad/Egypt's militar government: supportin' evil
Support rebels/Muslim Brotherhood: you better believe that's supportin' evil


Sadly, this is what it boils down to. There is no right answer, and nothing we can do that will result in fewer kids killed over time.

As someone once said to me, when faced with multiple solutions that won't work, pick the cheapest.

Stay the fark out and complain via the world's equivalent of the on-line petition, the UN Security Council. And for humanity's sake, start shipping medical supplies and food. (Yes, I know it'll all wind up on the black market & in the hands of "terrorists" but y'know, at least it has a chance of helping someone along the way.)
 
2013-08-22 10:53:08 AM
Let someone else take care of it this time.

I've had enough endless war today.
 
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