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(CNN)   France has decided that if Syria used chemical weapons, that the U.S. should do something about it   (cnn.com) divider line 215
    More: Obvious, Israel Radio, Ahmet Davutoglu, U.S., 2011-2012 Syrian uprising, chemical weapons, United Nations Security Council, international humanitarian law, information minister  
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2013-08-22 08:08:17 AM
All,

No thank you.  We've had enough of foreign entanglements for a while.  This one is all you.  Looking at you UN.

Sincerely,

The American People
 
2013-08-22 08:08:20 AM
The Koch brothers have decided that if Obama pretends Syria used chemical weapons, your taxes should do something about it.
 
2013-08-22 08:10:49 AM
This is going to sound really sad, but I am ready to just walk away from the Middle East.

How about we just stop doing business there...
Stop flying planes there ...
stop issuing visas to anyone there ...
deny all immigration from there ...
Stop trading there ...
Cut off the Internet top-level routing there ...
Screw 'em. I am sick of caring about pretty much anything or anyone between Egypt, Turkey and Afghanistan.
 
2013-08-22 08:11:58 AM
Just walk back the red line.  How important is our word anyway?
 
2013-08-22 08:13:48 AM
Russia and China will block anything to do with Syria, they can do as they please.
 
2013-08-22 08:13:53 AM

rubi_con_man: This is going to sound really sad, but I am ready to just walk away from the Middle East.

How about we just stop doing business there...
Stop flying planes there ...
stop issuing visas to anyone there ...
deny all immigration from there ...
Stop trading there ...
Cut off the Internet top-level routing there ...
Screw 'em. I am sick of caring about pretty much anything or anyone between Egypt, Turkey and Afghanistan.


I agree. There is nothing that Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar or Iran have that we could possibly want.

How about we just stop doing business ...
Stop flying planes ...
stop issuing visas to anyone ...
deny all immigration  ...
Stop trading ...
Cut off the Internet  ...
 
2013-08-22 08:13:54 AM
You have two choices:

Not do anything

Create a new Iraq/Afghanistan
 
2013-08-22 08:14:36 AM

The Muthaship: How important is our word anyway?


Now, now, you wouldn't want America to lose any ...

tamsonweston.com

... "international credibility"
 
2013-08-22 08:15:51 AM
Just like 'Nam?
 
2013-08-22 08:15:55 AM

macadamnut: "international credibility"


Haha!  Good point.
 
2013-08-22 08:16:06 AM

gorgon38: Russia and China will block anything to do with Syria, they can do as they please.


This.  As such, I nominate Russia to do something about Syria, or not.  But having seen the latest photos and video, Christ you can't un-see children who are the victims of chemical warfare.  I wish this one had an easy answer, because it's about as jacked as a situation can be.
 
2013-08-22 08:17:34 AM
When I saw the images last night dead and dying kids all I personally could think of was the moment in the Punisher Dirty Laundry short where Frank is standing in the doorway watching the violence unfold outside and the liquor store owner sits there and says "Makes you wanna do something, doesn't it?"

And right now we're just standing in the doorway doing nothing, lamenting "There's always a war on somewhere"

Enough is farking enough. Strategically bomb Assad's army into the farking ground, institute a no fly zone and inform the rebels that in the end game when kids die whoever killed em is dying as well...no matter which side.
 
2013-08-22 08:18:39 AM

SDRR: Just like 'Nam?


Oh, snap.
 
2013-08-22 08:19:04 AM
""If the U.N. Security Council cannot do it, decisions will be made otherwise," Fabius said. But, he said, sending ground troops to Syria is out of question. "

Dear France, grow a pair or STFU.
 
2013-08-22 08:19:22 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: When I saw the images last night dead and dying kids all I personally could think of was the moment in the Punisher Dirty Laundry short where Frank is standing in the doorway watching the violence unfold outside and the liquor store owner sits there and says "Makes you wanna do something, doesn't it?"

And right now we're just standing in the doorway doing nothing, lamenting "There's always a war on somewhere"

Enough is farking enough. Strategically bomb Assad's army into the farking ground, institute a no fly zone and inform the rebels that in the end game when kids die whoever killed em is dying as well...no matter which side.


Won't someone please think of the children?
 
2013-08-22 08:22:17 AM
This is still a no-win for the US, we either prop up a sociopathic dictator who's family has been nothing but a problem for three generations or we install alQaeda as the legitimate government of Syria.
 
2013-08-22 08:22:29 AM
It really makes no sense that Assad used chemical weapons again with UN inspectors in the country and while winning the war
 
2013-08-22 08:22:48 AM
I love how the US is expected to be the world's policeman until it's not. "Come give us aid and do our dirty work, but get the fark out and go to hell when it's resolved." You can't have it both ways, so which is it?
 
2013-08-22 08:23:08 AM
What do they expect us to do, surrender?
 
2013-08-22 08:23:54 AM
France pulled their forces out of NATO 50 years ago, so let them break out their own white flag this time.

If it's UN forces, then they might look pretty good in baby blue.
 
2013-08-22 08:24:26 AM

Outrageous Muff: You have two choices:

Not do anything

Create a new Iraq/Afghanistan


Its going to be an iraq/ afghanistan whether we go in there or not.

France can go fark themselves.  Now they want us to intervene with a middle eastern country with chemical weapons?  fark off.

Obama is looking really weak right now with Egypt and Syria.  You don't even hear him condemning them.  The Middle East is a mess right now and he isn't doing a damn thing.  He/ we are allowing evil forces to win.  Evil is killing innocents in Egypt.  Evil is gassing innocents in Syria.  We are allowing evil to spread, to win.  If you allow evil there, don't be surprised when it shows up on your block too.
 
2013-08-22 08:24:29 AM

I_C_Weener: IdBeCrazyIf: When I saw the images last night dead and dying kids all I personally could think of was the moment in the Punisher Dirty Laundry short where Frank is standing in the doorway watching the violence unfold outside and the liquor store owner sits there and says "Makes you wanna do something, doesn't it?"

And right now we're just standing in the doorway doing nothing, lamenting "There's always a war on somewhere"

Enough is farking enough. Strategically bomb Assad's army into the farking ground, institute a no fly zone and inform the rebels that in the end game when kids die whoever killed em is dying as well...no matter which side.

Won't someone please think of the children?


We need to kill to make sure those that are killing are killed.
 
2013-08-22 08:25:52 AM

pag1107: This is still a no-win for the US, we either prop up a sociopathic dictator who's family has been nothing but a problem for three generations or we install alQaeda as the legitimate government of Syria.


Let them kill each other until they are all gone?
 
2013-08-22 08:27:21 AM
The US, Russia, and China need to get on the same page. We all should agree that whoever is responsible for this needs to be ended.
 
2013-08-22 08:27:22 AM

pag1107: This is still a no-win for the US, we either prop up a sociopathic dictator who's family has been nothing but a problem for three generations or we install alQaeda as the legitimate government of Syria.


France and England have everything to do with that. Their game of empire in the Middle East has been a root cause of a lot of the problems in the Middle East this last century.

T E Lawrence called it.
 
2013-08-22 08:27:23 AM

SlothB77: Obama is looking really weak right now with Egypt and Syria.  You don't even hear him condemning them.  The Middle East is a mess right now and he isn't doing a damn thing.  He/ we are allowing evil forces to win.  Evil is killing innocents in Egypt.  Evil is gassing innocents in Syria.  We are allowing evil to spread, to win.  If you allow evil there, don't be surprised when it shows up on your block too.


Yup. He's so weak by not spending billions of dollars and thousands of American lives on a war that solve nothing and put people in power that we can't control.
 
2013-08-22 08:29:22 AM
IdBeCrazyIf:

Enough is farking enough. Strategically bomb Assad's army into the farking ground, institute a no fly zone and inform the rebels that in the end game when kids die whoever killed em is dying as well...no matter which side.

The US doesn't exactly have the greatest track record in picking new governments in the Middle East.
 
2013-08-22 08:30:29 AM

SlothB77: Let them kill each other until they are all gone?


Yes. And deal with whatever is left.
 
2013-08-22 08:32:50 AM

The Muthaship: Just walk back the red line.  How important is our word anyway?


For this administration? Since they'll call anyone who refuses to believe their promises a "racist," not very important at all. Like the Palestinians, the Obama Administration can make literally any promise they want and break them in the very same sentence, and honestly feel justified in doing so because keeping promises is something only their enemies in the evil white patriarchy would do, or expect anyone else to do, and they don't want to be the same as the people they hate.

/better make sure we never have a white male president again, because if we do, all the impossible promises Obama made will be collected on
 
2013-08-22 08:33:06 AM
Syria is not Lybia for several reasons. 1: Russia. 2: Israel 3: The rebels are at best the worst of the Muslim Brotherhood and terrorist at the worst. It is a mess, and if anything is done it should be done through the UN. Sorry to say that, but no thank you. It isn't that I'm unsympathetic, its that there is no clear outcome even if we do do something by ourselves except a bigger mess.
 
2013-08-22 08:33:31 AM
We have done something! barry has given several very strong "red line" speeches. If Syria wants to keep using these weapons they can expect a very harsh scolding via teleprompter probably from a golf course.
 
2013-08-22 08:34:31 AM
Aren't there enough countries in the immediate vicinity that are armed to the teeth with American military hardware who can do this?
 
2013-08-22 08:35:09 AM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: The US doesn't exactly have the greatest track record in picking new governments in the Middle East.


Who said we had to pick, just make it well known that when kids and families are dying those responsible are going to find out what an 18 pound thermobaric warhead can do
 
2013-08-22 08:35:45 AM
The article says that?
 
2013-08-22 08:36:46 AM
"Nothing practical, significant, has been done in the last two years in order to stop the continuing massacre of civilians carried out by the Assad regime," he said. "I think that the investigation of the United Nations is a joke."
                                                               -
Yuval Steinitz, Israeli Minister of Strategic Affairs
i1199.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-22 08:37:08 AM

bearcats1983: You can't have it both ways, so which is it?


We're reaching the point where we can't always be DOING the help everyone with their shiat thing (not that we help most places we fark up with our awesome weapons, but hey... Korea I guess?) so it hardly matters.  They won't be able to have it at all soon.
 
2013-08-22 08:37:23 AM
Standard rule is that the "international community" loves American power when it is used to protect their interests and concerns (ie escorting oil tanker that bring them their oil through the Persian Gulf -less than 5% of US oil imports come by that route, The Balkans, Somalia, Desert Storm) and it saves them from having to do any of the heavy lifting (The US flew 80% of the combat missions over Kosovo). But when the US acts in its own interests they tend to get their collective panties in a wad and snivel about unilateralism.

My rule is when you bring a proportionate share of resources/risks to the table (relative to population, economy etc) you get and equal say in how we do things until then STFU.

Lead , follow or get the hell out of the way.

/OF course what our interests are is always up for debate.
 
2013-08-22 08:37:46 AM

bearcats1983: I love how the US is expected to be the world's policeman until it's not.


I love how the US always pretend it's all about them.
France: "We think the international community should do something." USA: "Oh noes, they want the USA to do everything in the world!"
France didn't say anything about the US in particular. UN. Not US.
 
2013-08-22 08:37:47 AM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: IdBeCrazyIf:

Enough is farking enough. Strategically bomb Assad's army into the farking ground, institute a no fly zone and inform the rebels that in the end game when kids die whoever killed em is dying as well...no matter which side.

The US doesn't exactly have the greatest track record in picking new governments in the Middle East.


We have a long history of that. Jefferson and Paine didn't waste any time fixing France.
 
2013-08-22 08:38:12 AM
I stopped reading the news long ago and am much happier for it, except for the occasional fark excursion.

It's silly to assume you have any personal say in international affairs so might as well focus your time and energy on things you can personally improve.
 
2013-08-22 08:39:02 AM
Syria? That's Russia's problem. They wanted the ball. They've got it.
 
2013-08-22 08:40:29 AM
You can't be Syrias.
 
2013-08-22 08:40:31 AM

Oakenshield: The article says that?


Not exactly, but do you seriously think the French could pull something off by themselves? The only reason Lybia was successfulish is because the US did all the ground work and then supplied everybody with intelligence/support etc.
 
2013-08-22 08:41:40 AM

bbfreak: Oakenshield: The article says that?

Not exactly, but do you seriously think the French could pull something off by themselves?


They did in Mali. And by the way: there are more countries in the world than the USA and France.
 
2013-08-22 08:41:48 AM

Klopfer: France didn't say anything about the US in particular. UN. Not US.


Except invariably what often happens is we're there to do the heavy lifting either through materials and logistical support or direct action.

I will give France credit where credit is due though, and they did full blown stop Al Qaeda taking over ten buck two
 
2013-08-22 08:41:56 AM
So Syria loaded up an airliner with chemical weapons and smashed it into one of their buildings?
 
2013-08-22 08:43:48 AM

rubi_con_man: This is going to sound really sad, but I am ready to just walk away from the Middle East.

How about we just stop doing business there...
Stop flying planes there ...
stop issuing visas to anyone there ...
deny all immigration from there ...
Stop trading there ...
Cut off the Internet top-level routing there ...
Screw 'em. I am sick of caring about pretty much anything or anyone between Egypt, Turkey and Afghanistan.


Because dead dinosaurs.
 
2013-08-22 08:46:13 AM
This didn't use to be hard. Two or three dozen cruise missiles to make the cost of x higher than the price and move along with our lives. You don't have to beat them to a pulp, take them to the hospital, help them through physical therapy, find them a good job, and then have them knife you in the back.

Give them a good black eye and walk off. If they offend us by beating their wife in public again, repeat. If they actually hurt us directly in some way, go full Libya on them and then - this is key - walk the fark off. You break it you buy it isn't a hard and fast rule in international diplomacy. We don't need their oil, Israel can stick up for itself, fark them.
 
2013-08-22 08:49:08 AM

badhatharry: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: IdBeCrazyIf:

Enough is farking enough. Strategically bomb Assad's army into the farking ground, institute a no fly zone and inform the rebels that in the end game when kids die whoever killed em is dying as well...no matter which side.

The US doesn't exactly have the greatest track record in picking new governments in the Middle East.

We have a long history of that. Jefferson and Paine didn't waste any time fixing France.


quizzical_dog.jpg
 
2013-08-22 08:49:21 AM

Surpheon: You break it you buy it isn't a hard and fast rule in international diplomacy. We don't need their oil, Israel can stick up for itself, fark them.


Exactly, you go full Iron Man. Bust all their pretty shiny toys, rough em up a little bit and then drop them in the middle of town square and proclaim they are all theirs do as you wish.
 
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