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(People Magazine)   Bradley Manning just wants to be called Chelsea?   (people.com) divider line 36
    More: Weird, Bradley Manning, United States armed forces, WikiLeaks, Fort Meade, Pfc, prepared statement, documents  
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2013-08-22 08:20:15 AM
7 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: So much for patient-doctor/therapist confidentiality.
Oh, right. He lost his rights when he:
a) Joined the Army
b) gave away state secrets
c) broke the law

Take your time.


I don't condone what he did but his is a said story.  His family rejected him kicking him out of the house twice.  He has been isolated most of his life and went into the army to find a place to belong.  The army had no place for an effeminate soldier and he wound up isolated again.  What he did wasn't whistle blowing, he did a data dump and gave it away.  I wonder if it was a misplaced cry for help. You can condemn the crime while feeling sorry for the criminal.
2013-08-22 08:09:43 AM
7 votes:
Could be a tactical move to get into a women's prison and avoid a daily PMITA.
2013-08-22 12:10:13 PM
4 votes:
Wow. The keyboard toughguys really came out for this one. I sure hope mocking someone with more cajones than you'll ever have  who doesn't even want them made your day.
2013-08-22 08:11:42 AM
4 votes:
oh, look, more character assassination from the military, how mature of them

/seriously, what relevance does this have on his case?
//and if he didn't show the bullshiat the US military was doing, who would have?
///free Chelsea Manning
2013-08-22 08:11:21 AM
3 votes:
News Flash - unbalanced closet case joins the Army.
2013-08-22 08:10:44 AM
3 votes:
ismmentalillness.files.wordpress.com

His cunning plan is way off schedule.
2013-08-22 08:07:29 AM
3 votes:
So much for patient-doctor/therapist confidentiality.
Oh, right. He lost his rights when he:
a) Joined the Army
b) gave away state secrets
c) broke the law

Take your time.
2013-08-22 10:57:29 AM
2 votes:
www.jmeshel.com

Woke up, and I was Chelsea Manning and the first thing that I heard
2013-08-22 09:51:13 AM
2 votes:
The prosecution hasn't been releasing this; rather, the defense explicitly used this in the sentencing phase in the trial - and before, in an attempt to garner sympathy. Part of Manning's defense is that he experienced abuse and mental health issues that should have kept him away from classified information, which he was no longer capable of caring for with the proper respect. It worked; Manning's sentence is much less than he could have gotten at the start.

Also, people referring to Manning as "she" are jumping the gun; Bradley Manning is struggling with gender identity disorder but has not begun the process of transitioning, and probably never will, as no ethical therapist is going to sanction hormonal treatment or any other step in the transition process without first getting other mental health issues under control - and that isn't likely to happen while he's in the hole in Leavenworth. In all likelihood, because Manning is likely developmentally delayed by a mild case of fetal alcoholism syndrome (according to his defense, and I think that's reasonable), he's probably still in the questioning stage. Unless he and his health care team decide that gender transition is appropriate, referring to him by birth gender is appropriate.
2013-08-22 08:28:39 AM
2 votes:
If it's in the daily fail, it has to be true.

Also, who gives a fark, even if true?

/other than transphobic idiots
//oh, right, that's most Farkers
///nevermind--carry on
2013-08-22 08:18:29 AM
2 votes:
Well, the VA does cover therapy, hormones and surgery for transsexual people (I know a few former soldiers who were using the military as a way to hide from their reality).

But this sounds fake, personally. "Oh yeah, the guy who was just convicted of betraying his country? Yeah, he also thinks he's a chick."

Sorry, doesn't ring true given everything I've read.

That doesn't mean I don't think his punishment was justified - it was. He did it and it was serious. But this kind of backhanded stuff is what makes this case so terrible.
2013-08-22 08:10:02 AM
2 votes:
Oh, did that somehow get leaked? Sorry Brad... er, Chelsea. But information wants to be free, right?
2013-08-22 08:06:33 AM
2 votes:
That lipstick and wig is going to be popular where he's going.
2013-08-22 08:03:41 AM
2 votes:
And the American taxpayer is going to foot the bill for this.  Nice.
2013-08-22 08:02:39 AM
2 votes:
Oh, he thinks he's The Special One
2013-08-22 08:01:50 AM
2 votes:
well he's gonna be called "Prag" for at least a few years
2013-08-22 03:55:33 PM
1 votes:
His law-talking-guy was just on CNN saying that he expects the Military to pay for Manning's surgery and therapy, and if they don't he's going to force them to.

F*ck that. Prison isn't meant to be a free-ride for all the expensive surgery and therapy that criminals couldn't afford on their own. Manning can wait seven years to transition while he sits in prison and deals with the consequences of his actions.

Consequences that include having to delay his transition to his true gender-identity for a few years.
2013-08-22 02:23:24 PM
1 votes:
Transgenders have a message for Manning:

thesignalinthenoise.files.wordpress.com
2013-08-22 11:43:21 AM
1 votes:
The only thing worse than being trapped in Leavenworth is being trapped in the wrong body.

/would know
2013-08-22 10:21:18 AM
1 votes:

captainktainer: Well, balls to that; apparently Manning has decided to complete social transition, so "she" is the right pronoun.

Also, lol at the lawyer who expects this shiatbird to get a pardon. She violated the UCMJ and transmitted classified information to foreign citizens; she'll be in the hole for as long as possible.


What president will lay their legacy on the line for Manning? Unfarkinglikely.


And the very idea that we would pay for this criminal to have these expensive therapies when Tricare doesnt give them to active duty soldiers or families is about the stupidest thing ever. I have no problem with people recieving these therapies, but I do have a problem giving prisoners ANYTHING that good decent people do not get. If the military isn't paying for dependents to have these therapies then sorry Manning but you are SOL.
2013-08-22 09:43:02 AM
1 votes:

rattchett: ethics-gradient: Well that little pronouncement, plus the cloud hovering over Assange, has certainly shed glory upon the whole Wikileaks thing.
Way to go Bradley, Julian you guys totally look trustworthy and balanced now rather than ineptly socialised marginal people with sexual issues.

I would prefer that over looking like a bigot.


QFT.  Funny how so many people are on board with "Why won't they just allow gay marriage" but then it comes to trans rights and suddenly "lol stupid weirdos".  It's the same principle of bigotry all over again.

Get a clue, morans.
2013-08-22 09:36:43 AM
1 votes:

macadamnut: [www.gardentalk.com image 450x336]

It's not leaking when we do it.


This wasn't a release or leak by the government. It was a letter written and publicly released by Manning.

This is not a "smear job" by the government, unless it's a really, really well-done and elaborate one where his lawyers and family are involved for some reason.
2013-08-22 09:20:20 AM
1 votes:
So they grant Manning a DoD security clearance, a person with known mental health issues, but I was denied my TS-SCI clearance because I smoked a joint once in college. Got it.
2013-08-22 09:07:23 AM
1 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: macadamnut: News Flash - unbalanced closet case joins the Army.

... and the Army gives him a Top Secret security clearance.


How this unbalanced fark-up was allowed near classified information is BEYOND me. The wiki page is a laundry list of mental health issues, insuborniation and outright misconduct.
2013-08-22 09:06:25 AM
1 votes:
Well that little pronouncement, plus the cloud hovering over Assange, has certainly shed glory upon the whole Wikileaks thing.
Way to go Bradley, Julian you guys totally look trustworthy and balanced now rather than ineptly socialised marginal people with sexual issues.
2013-08-22 09:02:09 AM
1 votes:

PanicMan: Okay.  Who cares?

/Obviously I know lots of people care, but I don't understand why.


It's still socially acceptable to laugh at trans people. Unfortunately, that last statement includes the other people behind the letters in the LGBT salad. A lot of gay men and women have the same hangups with transgenders as straight people (Q: "Wait, you want to become a woman to date women?" A: "I am a woman."). I'm with you. I just don't care. But that's because I'm lazy and don't want to spend the summer reading about transgender issues and parsing my pronouns. Imma just gonna give the transgendered people in my life the benefit of the doubt.
2013-08-22 08:55:53 AM
1 votes:
Let's just meet in the middle and call him Traitor.

Works for me.
2013-08-22 08:54:46 AM
1 votes:
Mose

He doesn't make for a very attractive woman.

Chelsea's are never attractive menwomen
youngeryou.ninemsn.com.au
2013-08-22 08:50:07 AM
1 votes:
Character assassination complete.
2013-08-22 08:48:20 AM
1 votes:
www.myfconline.com
2013-08-22 08:47:58 AM
1 votes:
Okay.  Who cares?

/Obviously I know lots of people care, but I don't understand why.
2013-08-22 08:42:47 AM
1 votes:

Exception Collection: //She can't or won't be transferred to a woman's prison until post-surgery, which is at least a year away.


You're saying the Army is going to pay for his sex change then move him to a women's prison? Seems legit.
2013-08-22 08:36:10 AM
1 votes:

ReapTheChaos: That lipstick and wig is going to be popular where he's going.

It's funny because rape. People getting raped is funny.
2013-08-22 08:28:43 AM
1 votes:
He'll be out in 8 years, he can do it on his own time and his own dime.
2013-08-22 08:15:44 AM
1 votes:

macadamnut: News Flash - unbalanced closet case joins the Army.


... and the Army gives him a Top Secret security clearance.
2013-08-22 08:09:12 AM
1 votes:

bikerbob59: And the American taxpayer is going to foot the bill for this.  Nice.


should have charged him/her/it with treason and executed him/her/it
 
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