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2013-08-22 09:13:30 AM  

ethics-gradient: Well that little pronouncement, plus the cloud hovering over Assange, has certainly shed glory upon the whole Wikileaks thing.
Way to go Bradley, Julian you guys totally look trustworthy and balanced now rather than ineptly socialised marginal people with sexual issues.


I would prefer that over looking like a bigot.
 
2013-08-22 09:20:20 AM  
So they grant Manning a DoD security clearance, a person with known mental health issues, but I was denied my TS-SCI clearance because I smoked a joint once in college. Got it.
 
2013-08-22 09:20:41 AM  
So when he leaks in the future, he wants to do it with the seat down?
 
2013-08-22 09:22:05 AM  

mbillips: [www.myfconline.com image 270x195]


I came here for this and I'm leaving satisfied.
 
2013-08-22 09:22:40 AM  

Exception Collection: It's been decided in at least one other case that the government should pay for SRS for a prisoner.


It has not been "decided."  http://boston.cbslocal.com/tag/michelle-kosilek/

I'd be happy to make a wager with you that it never happens.
 
2013-08-22 09:25:30 AM  
Totla bullshiat, guess who get to pay for enabling his sickness?
 
2013-08-22 09:28:54 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: So much for patient-doctor/therapist confidentiality.
Oh, right. He lost his rights when he:
a) Joined the Army
b) gave away state secrets
c) broke the law

Take your time.


c....no wait b!....eh, probably a. I'm going with a. Final answer.
 
2013-08-22 09:36:43 AM  

macadamnut: [www.gardentalk.com image 450x336]

It's not leaking when we do it.


This wasn't a release or leak by the government. It was a letter written and publicly released by Manning.

This is not a "smear job" by the government, unless it's a really, really well-done and elaborate one where his lawyers and family are involved for some reason.
 
2013-08-22 09:42:25 AM  
Cheron:
I don't condone what he did but his is a said story.  His family rejected him kicking him out of the house twice.  He has been isolated most of his life and went into the army to find a place to belong.  The army had no place for an effeminate soldier and he wound up isolated again.  What he did wasn't whistle blowing, he did a data dump and gave it away.  I wonder if it was a misplaced cry for help. You can condemn the crime while feeling sorry for the criminal.

 Wow, he had issue growing up, who doesn't? Boo Hoo.

This piece of work just wanted attention. He got his 15 minutes by breaking an oath he took.
I would not believe shiat that came out of his mouth, now or in the future.
So......................Bye..........Have fun in Prison. Dumb ass.
 
2013-08-22 09:43:02 AM  

rattchett: ethics-gradient: Well that little pronouncement, plus the cloud hovering over Assange, has certainly shed glory upon the whole Wikileaks thing.
Way to go Bradley, Julian you guys totally look trustworthy and balanced now rather than ineptly socialised marginal people with sexual issues.

I would prefer that over looking like a bigot.


QFT.  Funny how so many people are on board with "Why won't they just allow gay marriage" but then it comes to trans rights and suddenly "lol stupid weirdos".  It's the same principle of bigotry all over again.

Get a clue, morans.
 
2013-08-22 09:44:43 AM  

PiffMan420: HotIgneous Intruder: macadamnut: News Flash - unbalanced closet case joins the Army.

... and the Army gives him a Top Secret security clearance.

How this unbalanced fark-up was allowed near classified information is BEYOND me. The wiki page is a laundry list of mental health issues, insuborniation and outright misconduct.


I'm a veteran. I was in the infantry. You should meet some of the people that the Army gave LOADED RIFLES to...
 
2013-08-22 09:48:08 AM  

flucto: Exception Collection: //She can't or won't be transferred to a woman's prison until post-surgery, which is at least a year away.

You're saying the Army is going to pay for his sex change then move him to a women's prison? Seems legit.


I don't think Leavenworth Military Prison will provide that type of "care":
From NY Daily News, "It's not clear what military policy is regarding transgendered prisoners but the prison has since said that it does not provide hormone therapy or sex-reassignment surgery to its inmates, Courthouse News confirmed."
 
2013-08-22 09:48:38 AM  
I hope he gets treatment for his mental illness while in prison.
 
2013-08-22 09:51:13 AM  
The prosecution hasn't been releasing this; rather, the defense explicitly used this in the sentencing phase in the trial - and before, in an attempt to garner sympathy. Part of Manning's defense is that he experienced abuse and mental health issues that should have kept him away from classified information, which he was no longer capable of caring for with the proper respect. It worked; Manning's sentence is much less than he could have gotten at the start.

Also, people referring to Manning as "she" are jumping the gun; Bradley Manning is struggling with gender identity disorder but has not begun the process of transitioning, and probably never will, as no ethical therapist is going to sanction hormonal treatment or any other step in the transition process without first getting other mental health issues under control - and that isn't likely to happen while he's in the hole in Leavenworth. In all likelihood, because Manning is likely developmentally delayed by a mild case of fetal alcoholism syndrome (according to his defense, and I think that's reasonable), he's probably still in the questioning stage. Unless he and his health care team decide that gender transition is appropriate, referring to him by birth gender is appropriate.
 
2013-08-22 09:53:50 AM  

bikerbob59: And the American taxpayer is going to foot the bill for this.  Nice.


I don't know about the specifics of this case, but there was a article on Fark some months back about a mtf transsexual in prison whose lawyer was trying to get the state to pay for sex-reassignment surgery.  It was pointed out in the article that it would actually save money in the long run.

Again, I'm not saying that this is necessarily the case here, but sometimes what seems like an unreasonable expense actually can save money.

There's some comparison to the life imprisonment versus capital punishment.  Proponents of capital punishment often claim that it saves money, when it fact it's actually more expensive to execute a criminal in the USA than it is to just keep them in prison for the rest of their life.

Just be cautious about using "a waste of taxpayer's money" as an argument against something you don't like.  It can cut both ways.
 
2013-08-22 09:54:39 AM  

PiffMan420: HotIgneous Intruder: macadamnut: News Flash - unbalanced closet case joins the Army.

... and the Army gives him a Top Secret security clearance.

How this unbalanced fark-up was allowed near classified information is BEYOND me. The wiki page is a laundry list of mental health issues, insuborniation and outright misconduct.


Let them share a cell together.

i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2013-08-22 09:58:31 AM  

PiffMan420: HotIgneous Intruder: macadamnut: News Flash - unbalanced closet case joins the Army.

... and the Army gives him a Top Secret security clearance.

How this unbalanced fark-up was allowed near classified information is BEYOND me. The wiki page is a laundry list of mental health issues, insuborniation and outright misconduct.


Because Military Intelligence is an oxymoron?
 
2013-08-22 09:59:08 AM  
How about "Prisoner #119132" instead?
 
2013-08-22 10:01:58 AM  
Apparently America wants the hose again

www.bilerico.com
 
2013-08-22 10:02:49 AM  
i1172.photobucket.com

my headline was:

5'2" 120lb man with 35 year prison sentence decides to accept what will happen to him weather he likes it or not
 
2013-08-22 10:07:00 AM  
Well, balls to that; apparently Manning has decided to complete social transition, so "she" is the right pronoun.

Also, lol at the lawyer who expects this shiatbird to get a pardon. She violated the UCMJ and transmitted classified information to foreign citizens; she'll be in the hole for as long as possible.
 
2013-08-22 10:07:10 AM  
Chelsea? He can't handler.
 
2013-08-22 10:21:18 AM  

captainktainer: Well, balls to that; apparently Manning has decided to complete social transition, so "she" is the right pronoun.

Also, lol at the lawyer who expects this shiatbird to get a pardon. She violated the UCMJ and transmitted classified information to foreign citizens; she'll be in the hole for as long as possible.


What president will lay their legacy on the line for Manning? Unfarkinglikely.


And the very idea that we would pay for this criminal to have these expensive therapies when Tricare doesnt give them to active duty soldiers or families is about the stupidest thing ever. I have no problem with people recieving these therapies, but I do have a problem giving prisoners ANYTHING that good decent people do not get. If the military isn't paying for dependents to have these therapies then sorry Manning but you are SOL.
 
2013-08-22 10:27:02 AM  

ciberido: I don't know about the specifics of this case, but there was a article on Fark some months back about a mtf transsexual in prison whose lawyer was trying to get the state to pay for sex-reassignment surgery.  It was pointed out in the article that it would actually save money in the long run.


So like in that documentary Sleepaway Camp II: Unhappy Campers where Angela Johnson is actually Peter Johnson and she is only hurting the morally depraved people?
 
2013-08-22 10:28:06 AM  
I'm waiting to see if any of Manning's superiors who should have yanked his security clearance will be held accountable.
 I've seen security clearances pulled because someones spouse bounced a check.
 
2013-08-22 10:28:56 AM  

Al_Ed: BradleyLeaks

(after the first couple weeks in jail)


I was going with Brenda Leaks as his new TS Stripper name. He'll be popular in Bangkok, not just Block 7.
 
2013-08-22 10:38:41 AM  

No Time To Explain: oh, look, more character assassination from the military, how mature of them

/seriously, what relevance does this have on his case?
//and if he didn't show the bullshiat the US military was doing, who would have?
///free Chelsea Manning


What bullshiat did he show? You obviously know more than he did, since he had no idea what he released.
 
2013-08-22 10:41:41 AM  
I don't think the military prison system lets you waltz on in and tell them what they are going to do for you. Regardless, he's going to be someone's little girl for the next 35 years.
 
2013-08-22 10:42:02 AM  

amundb: So they grant Manning a DoD security clearance, a person with known mental health issues, but I was denied my TS-SCI clearance because I smoked a joint once in college. Got it.


I'm willing to bet that is due to you not disclosing your drug use, and it being discovered during your scope investigation?  That'll do it.

/just tell them everything in your inital disclosures / interviews, and you'll be fine
//otherwise, no clearance for you
///and deservedly so
 
2013-08-22 10:45:55 AM  

abfalter: How about "Prisoner #119132" instead?


I think you meant #655321?
 
2013-08-22 10:47:55 AM  
Cheron:

I don't condone what he did but his is a said story.  His family rejected him kicking him out of the house twice.  He has been isolated most of his life and went into the army to find a place to belong.  The army had no place for an effeminate soldier and he wound up isolated again.  What he did wasn't whistle blowing, he did a data dump and gave it away.  I wonder if it was a misplaced cry for help. You can condemn the crime while feeling sorry for the criminal.

pretty much this.

working backwards from something i saw yesterday... was he really only 23 when this all kicked off?!  I was a moran at 23... well, even more of a moran etc etc
 
2013-08-22 10:57:29 AM  
www.jmeshel.com

Woke up, and I was Chelsea Manning and the first thing that I heard
 
2013-08-22 11:09:38 AM  

No Time To Explain: oh, look, more character assassination from the military, how mature of them

/seriously, what relevance does this have on his case?
//and if he didn't show the bullshiat the US military was doing, who would have?
///free Chelsea Manning


How is this character assassination if Manning him(her?)self is publicly releasing this info?  He attempted to use this in the sentencing phase for fark's sake.  At this point, regardless of what I think about his actions (and I can make arguments for and against), he's simply attention whoring.

I see that someone already went through Wikipedia and edited all the his's to her's, that didn't take long.
 
2013-08-22 11:17:36 AM  
Well, if you're gonna get butt raped in Leavenworth, you may as well look the part, lie back, and enjoy it.
 
2013-08-22 11:18:33 AM  

Comic Book Guy: No Time To Explain: oh, look, more character assassination from the military, how mature of them

/seriously, what relevance does this have on his case?
//and if he didn't show the bullshiat the US military was doing, who would have?
///free Chelsea Manning

How is this character assassination if Manning him(her?)self is publicly releasing this info?  He attempted to use this in the sentencing phase for fark's sake.  At this point, regardless of what I think about his actions (and I can make arguments for and against), he's simply attention whoring.

I see that someone already went through Wikipedia and edited all the his's to her's, that didn't take long.


i noticed that shiat too. he is something of a martyr to the tyranny community
 
2013-08-22 11:19:22 AM  

Koaltrain: PiffMan420: HotIgneous Intruder: macadamnut: News Flash - unbalanced closet case joins the Army.

... and the Army gives him a Top Secret security clearance.

How this unbalanced fark-up was allowed near classified information is BEYOND me. The wiki page is a laundry list of mental health issues, insuborniation and outright misconduct.

Let them share a cell together.

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 306x423]


Nope.  The only place ^THAT POS^ shiat will be occupying is a hot pile of rocks in hell.
 
2013-08-22 11:20:03 AM  
What president will lay their legacy on the line for Manning? Unfarkinglikely.

QFT
 
2013-08-22 11:21:23 AM  
he may not have been a good spy. But his timing is perfect.
 
2013-08-22 11:27:46 AM  
Seems a bit of bad timing on his/her part .. just before entering a  Military Prison for a whole bunch of years.

/different than normal prison
//they will call him Chelsea
 
2013-08-22 11:29:04 AM  
www.glaad.org
 
2013-08-22 11:32:29 AM  

ReapTheChaos: OnlyM3: Mose

He doesn't make for a very attractive woman.
Chelsea's are never attractive menwomen
[youngeryou.ninemsn.com.au image 353x474]

I beg to differ.

[thedaleygator.files.wordpress.com image 620x932]


I require more and detailed proof.
 
2013-08-22 11:33:29 AM  

Mateorocks: I'm a veteran. I was in the infantry. You should meet some of the people that the Army gave LOADED RIFLES to...


A guy with a loaded rifle can kill maybe a handful of people before being taken down himself. A guy sitting in an office can kill many, many more people, without breaking a sweat. Just look at Obama.
 
2013-08-22 11:34:00 AM  
His entire Wikipedia page has been rewritten accordingly.
 
2013-08-22 11:36:47 AM  
Have fun in military prison, Chelsea.
 
2013-08-22 11:43:21 AM  
The only thing worse than being trapped in Leavenworth is being trapped in the wrong body.

/would know
 
2013-08-22 12:02:00 PM  

No Time To Explain: oh, look, more character assassination from the military, how mature of them

/seriously, what relevance does this have on his case?
//and if he didn't show the bullshiat the US military was doing, who would have?
///free Chelsea Manning


Sounds like you should do a bit more reading there ace.

Comic Book Guy: No Time To Explain: oh, look, more character assassination from the military, how mature of them

/seriously, what relevance does this have on his case?
//and if he didn't show the bullshiat the US military was doing, who would have?
///free Chelsea Manning

How is this character assassination if Manning him(her?)self is publicly releasing this info?  He attempted to use this in the sentencing phase for fark's sake.  At this point, regardless of what I think about his actions (and I can make arguments for and against), he's simply attention whoring.

I see that someone already went through Wikipedia and edited all the his's to her's, that didn't take long.

 
2013-08-22 12:04:39 PM  
rather than 'Traitorous Tranny Bastard' ?
 
2013-08-22 12:10:13 PM  
Wow. The keyboard toughguys really came out for this one. I sure hope mocking someone with more cajones than you'll ever have  who doesn't even want them made your day.
 
2013-08-22 12:11:44 PM  

Kentucky Fried Children: amundb: So they grant Manning a DoD security clearance, a person with known mental health issues, but I was denied my TS-SCI clearance because I smoked a joint once in college. Got it.

I'm willing to bet that is due to you not disclosing your drug use, and it being discovered during your scope investigation?  That'll do it.

/just tell them everything in your inital disclosures / interviews, and you'll be fine
//otherwise, no clearance for you
///and deservedly so


Nope. I disclosed it up front in the paperwork, as I knew I was going to have to take a full scope polygraph. I was then called an idiot by our companies security officer for not lying and actually listing my drug use on the disclosure.

Then again, I saw two other people get refused because they had too much student loan debt, and another person only got their clearance on the condition they had to go to rehab/counseling for alcohol abuse. He said on his disclosure forms he drank 6 beer over the course of a weekend.

Another funny thing was I learned during the security investigation was my oldest brother was actually my half-brother. That was a fun conversation with my mother.

//Was right after 9/11 though
///One of the most angering and embarrassing things to ever happen to me
 
2013-08-22 12:13:14 PM  
Well now it all makes sense.  Womenfolk thinks it takes two to keep a secret.
 
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