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2013-08-22 11:35:18 AM  
What crap.  TPM is just an encryption/trust module. It doesn't magically open a back door to your PC.  Software interfaces with it for cryptographic functions and identity verification to protect data.  With or without it, you are at the mercy of any OS that runs on your box.  Microsoft can't do anything on your computer with TPM any more than it can do without it.
 
2013-08-22 11:35:27 AM  

GoldSpider: MightyPez: Apple phased out the surveillance chips in 2009.

Says someone with an obvious axe to grind with Microsoft.  I'd be less skeptical with some proof from a less biased source.

/Very seriously considering buying a Mac as my next desktop.


If you plan on gaming, don't but an iMac, Mac Mini, or laptop, and upgrade the video card. Even Civilization V runs like a pig on my i7 Mac Mini because the crappy Intel4000 graphics chip they put in all of those sucks balls. My PC, with its old core duo processor but with a cutting-edge 2009 video card flies in comparison.
 
2013-08-22 11:35:35 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: Whatthefark: I remember hearing about this with Windows 98\2000.



Yep, it took a while but it happened like many of us said.


Really? "It" happened? What exactly happened?

This article is fud.
 
2013-08-22 11:37:00 AM  

BigNumber12: It allows Microsoft to control the computer remotely through a built-in backdoor. Keys to that backdoor are likely accessible to the NSA - and in an unintended ironic twist, perhaps even to the Chinese. The backdoor is called "Trusted Computing," developed and promoted by the Trusted Computing Group, founded a decade ago by the all-American tech companies AMD, Cisco, Hewlett-Packard, IBM, Intel, Microsoft, and Wave Systems. Its core element is a chip, the Trusted Platform Module (TPM),


What in the everloving fark is going on in this country?!

Its purpose is Digital Rights Management and computer security.


Ah, of course. Protecting us from dangerous pirated content, for our own good. Carry on.


Yeah - no kidding.
 
2013-08-22 11:40:26 AM  

Aquapope: XP Pro -  that's the good stuff.
Actually, I should bite the bullet and see what Linux is all about and if it's more hassle than it's worth.


Jesus man, upgrade to SOMETHING! Vista is an improvement over XP at this point
 
2013-08-22 11:40:58 AM  

cman: mediablitz: cman: Yes I have used it recently. Its still a joke. Until Linux has uniformity then Linux will be a joke.

Such a joke, it has decades of track record.

HA HA!!!

Is 2014 gonna finally be the year of the Linux desktop?


AH HA HA!!! More "humor"!

What the fark do you care? Can you use it? Yep. Do I give a shiat if it is the predominant desktop platform? Nope.

Cry moar. You have no point.
 
2013-08-22 11:41:33 AM  

Molavian: uber humper: cman: AdamK: so at what point do companies start dropping windows because it's to blame for corporate sabotage and spying? i mean governments love probing individual people but as soon as there's a $ loss to all of this then time to throw it all out the window

And replace it with what?

Linux is a joke and Apple is expensive as shiat, and not everyone can make a hackintosh

We're stuck with it

Have you used in Linux distros latley? What's the joke about it? The majority of the web is running on it right now, along with about 1/3 1/2 smart phones.

Let me guess, it's the Year of the Linux Desktop?


No, we're past June, now '14 will be the year of the Linux Desktop
 
2013-08-22 11:43:18 AM  

uber humper: Molavian: uber humper: cman: AdamK: so at what point do companies start dropping windows because it's to blame for corporate sabotage and spying? i mean governments love probing individual people but as soon as there's a $ loss to all of this then time to throw it all out the window

And replace it with what?

Linux is a joke and Apple is expensive as shiat, and not everyone can make a hackintosh

We're stuck with it

Have you used in Linux distros latley? What's the joke about it? The majority of the web is running on it right now, along with about 1/3 1/2 smart phones.

Let me guess, it's the Year of the Linux Desktop?

No, we're past June, now '14 will be the year of the Linux Desktop


I don't get this. I have an XP box, a Win 7 box, and a Linux box. Why does Linux have to be the "cool thing!!!" before you can try it?

Are people seriously that caught up in fitting in?
 
2013-08-22 11:44:39 AM  

mediablitz: cman: mediablitz: cman: Yes I have used it recently. Its still a joke. Until Linux has uniformity then Linux will be a joke.

Such a joke, it has decades of track record.

HA HA!!!

Is 2014 gonna finally be the year of the Linux desktop?

AH HA HA!!! More "humor"!

What the fark do you care? Can you use it? Yep. Do I give a shiat if it is the predominant desktop platform? Nope.

Cry moar. You have no point.


You might not care, but your fellow Linux users do
 
2013-08-22 11:46:24 AM  
cman:

I am being serious when I say this: a Hackintosh is the best of everything

You don't have to worry about the security problems with Windows, and, OS X has a decent amount of games out there. WINE works very well. Not only that, Parallels, a virtual machine program hypervisor, is the best VM hypervisor out there out, period.


FTFY

And I run an Air with Parallels and love it. Boot the Win 7 VM when I need to, kill it when I don't.
 
2013-08-22 11:46:35 AM  

cman: When I think of serious news, I always go to sites that look worse than an Alex Jones ripoff


This. I'm sorry , but I just can't trust anything some firm in the EU says about Microsoft
 
2013-08-22 11:48:56 AM  

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: cman:

I am being serious when I say this: a Hackintosh is the best of everything

You don't have to worry about the security problems with Windows, and, OS X has a decent amount of games out there. WINE works very well. Not only that, Parallels, a virtual machine program hypervisor, is the best VM hypervisor out there out, period.

FTFY

And I run an Air with Parallels and love it. Boot the Win 7 VM when I need to, kill it when I don't.


Thank you for the correction

BTW, Parallels 9 is coming out in two weeks. Its gonna be $80. It may be worth it if the graphics improvement is significant
 
2013-08-22 11:49:38 AM  

WTFDYW: abboration


Is that like a cross between an abortion and an aberration? Seems to fit, actually.
 
2013-08-22 11:52:44 AM  
cman:

Thank you for the correction

BTW, Parallels 9 is coming out in two weeks. Its gonna be $80. It may be worth it if the graphics improvement is significant


Cool, thanks for the heads up. :)
 
2013-08-22 11:54:05 AM  

Driedsponge: It's crap like this that actually makes me believe that within my lifetime "the year of the linux desktop" will cease to be a myth


If your so called "average users" can't run W8 they will have major problems running Linux on a desktop.
/I have family members that are birdbrains when it come to computers, but have yet to hear questions about their W8 machines, other than "install a cracked copy of Office for me"
 
2013-08-22 12:01:01 PM  

vudukungfu: NutWrench: I'm really liking Kubuntu Linux. They make a version that you can install on a USB stick which you can boot off of, without making any changes to your computer. It also gives you an option at startup to install to your hard drive (either a complete OS replacement or a dual boot.)

how fast is it?


It boots from the disk as least as fast as Windows 7 (of course, booting from the USB stick will be much slower.) It recognized all my hardware and after it had been up for a while, downloaded a bunch of updates. It feels much more like Windows 7 than I was expecting. Utilities are grouped much better now. I remember a few years ago having to fiddle with 3-4 separate utilities, scattered all over the place, just to get the sound card working. I'm still a novice to Linux, so I didn't install any benchmarking software.
 
2013-08-22 12:01:53 PM  
good thing you didn't link one of the many reputable sites reporting this, and instead gave the us a link to someplace called testosteronepit.com.  i mean, when people want credible news and see some crap like businessinsider.com, they always think, "gee, this would seem a lot more reasonable if the site sounded like a url from dick enhancement spam."
 
2013-08-22 12:06:03 PM  

uber humper: Dual boot or have two boxes.


Or Virtual Machines.

I use VMs for Frankenstienian experiments with various OSes.

--
BMO
 
2013-08-22 12:06:14 PM  

NutWrench: It feels much more like Windows 7 than I was expecting.


I was thinking of wiping a laptop I have and starting from scratch as a project.
I've been playing with computers since 1969. so if I destroy something I don't mind.
My Motto: it's just a box on the floor.
 
2013-08-22 12:06:47 PM  
Windows has security holes? I'm shocked.
 
2013-08-22 12:07:14 PM  

mediablitz: uber humper: Molavian: uber humper: cman: AdamK: so at what point do companies start dropping windows because it's to blame for corporate sabotage and spying? i mean governments love probing individual people but as soon as there's a $ loss to all of this then time to throw it all out the window

And replace it with what?

Linux is a joke and Apple is expensive as shiat, and not everyone can make a hackintosh

We're stuck with it

Have you used in Linux distros latley? What's the joke about it? The majority of the web is running on it right now, along with about 1/3 1/2 smart phones.

Let me guess, it's the Year of the Linux Desktop?

No, we're past June, now '14 will be the year of the Linux Desktop

I don't get this. I have an XP box, a Win 7 box, and a Linux box. Why does Linux have to be the "cool thing!!!" before you can try it?

Are people seriously that caught up in fitting in?


I think part of it is fitting in.  But also people looking for social proof that something is viable.
 
2013-08-22 12:09:34 PM  
No one believes this tripe. It's impossible to write special code to cause other computers to access your computer. This whole conspiracy rests on the flimsy idea that there are 'hackers' out there who can do this kind of stuff. Microsoft writes great code and there is no way they or anyone else would be able to violate someone's privacy.

content.internetvideoarchive.com
 
2013-08-22 12:09:59 PM  

bubo_sibiricus: uber humper: Dual boot or have two boxes.

Or Virtual Machines.

I use VMs for Frankenstienian experiments with various OSes.

--
BMO


Good for making walkthough screencasts, too.  Can record the entire installation
 
2013-08-22 12:11:40 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: Arsten: Run tpmadmin.msc and click "Turn TPM Off" in the action list. You need the password (Check your owners manuals), but it disables the hardware. Some BIOSes have an option to turn it off.

I always figured there had to be a way to turn it off since there is also an option for it in group policy. If group policy can change it in an enterprise environment then it should be available to the home user as well, albeit through esoteric means at times.

uber humper: Switch to Linux is not a huge one, just do it.

I've been dragging my feet because I'm addicted to MechWarrior Online


Did you get in as a Founder? I absolutely love MWO!
 
2013-08-22 12:13:56 PM  

retro128: What crap.  TPM is just an encryption/trust module. It doesn't magically open a back door to your PC.  Software interfaces with it for cryptographic functions and identity verification to protect data.  With or without it, you are at the mercy of any OS that runs on your box.  Microsoft can't do anything on your computer with TPM any more than it can do without it.


A thousand times this.

The TPM spec is an open spec and their isn't a back door in the spec.  If some manufacturer were to put a back door in the TPM that would be something else, but that's not Microsoft because they don't make chips.
 
2013-08-22 12:14:37 PM  

stampylives: good thing you didn't link one of the many reputable sites reporting this, and instead gave the us a link to someplace called testosteronepit.com.  i mean, when people want credible news and see some crap like businessinsider.com, they always think, "gee, this would seem a lot more reasonable if the site sounded like a url from dick enhancement spam."


Yeah, how awful it is when you have to decide for yourself if something is true or not.
 
2013-08-22 12:22:20 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Why would we trust the Germans, they bombed Pearl Harbor.


THIS!
 
2013-08-22 12:25:37 PM  

stampylives: good thing you didn't link one of the many reputable sites reporting this, and instead gave the us a link to someplace called testosteronepit.com.  i mean, when people want credible news and see some crap like businessinsider.com, they always think, "gee, this would seem a lot more reasonable if the site sounded like a url from dick enhancement spam."


Well, to be fair, businessinsider.com is citing Testosterone Pit as their source, who is in turn citing Die Zeit.
 
2013-08-22 12:31:55 PM  

NateAsbestos: Aquapope: XP Pro -  that's the good stuff.
Actually, I should bite the bullet and see what Linux is all about and if it's more hassle than it's worth.

Jesus man, upgrade to SOMETHING! Vista is an improvement over XP at this point


NO.

Vista is NOT. It is a neverending exercise in frustration. No way, nohow. Windows 7? Yes. Vista? Not ever. I'd rather go back to Windows 98.
 
2013-08-22 12:33:15 PM  

uber humper: IdBeCrazyIf: uber humper: There is a learning curve, but if you have even the slightest DIY mindset you'll figure out how to figure things out pretty quickly.

I figured there would be something, its more a case of me just being lazy and not wanting to hear my wife biatch that the computer 'looks different'

I'll get there eventually

Dual boot or have two boxes.

 If you have an old computer laying around, put it on that as a starter. IT dosen't need to be speedy.

On my desk I have 4 monitors and two computers.  One Windows 7 one Fedora.  I use a progam called Synergy than allows me to share a keyboard and mouse, over a network, between multiple computers.  I can take my mouse pointer and drag it accross four screens and two computers. Copy and paste also works.


Good for you. And some of us still need Windows for compatibility with apps like Sharepoint and so on based on business requirements, and doing everything in a Windows install inside of a VM doesn't cut it.
 
2013-08-22 12:33:39 PM  
On my windows machines connected to the internet, I have long since just made the assumption that microsoft (and thus federal govt) has a way they could scan the registry, MRU lists, etc and see what's installed or recently used, recently watched, etc. Somehow it doesn't bother as much as it seems to bother most people here. If it happens I know it's just an automated server somewhere, not a person snickering at my taste in games or hulu content.
 
2013-08-22 12:39:35 PM  

skinink: lohphat: skinink: You're farked no matter what Windows OS you use. Unless you never heard of Patch Tuesdays used by Microsoft to plug all the holes they keep finding in all their operating systems. I doubt W7 is more secure from snooping than W8 is.

Are you saying that there are never any security fixes in any of the dozens of monthly module updates Linux distros post via yum and apt-get?

No, you brought up Linux. My only point had to deal with Windows and that all of their OSs are insecure. I know squat about Linux security/holes.


But you singled out WIndows as if it was unique that it had regular updates to address known issues as if it were a bad thing to do.
 
2013-08-22 12:43:42 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: On my windows machines connected to the internet, I have long since just made the assumption that microsoft (and thus federal govt) has a way they could scan the registry, MRU lists, etc and see what's installed or recently used, recently watched, etc. Somehow it doesn't bother as much as it seems to bother most people here. If it happens I know it's just an automated server somewhere, not a person snickering at my taste in games or hulu content.


Google knows your porn habits. Now would be a good time to stop searching for transvestite granny porn
 
2013-08-22 12:44:32 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: Arsten: Run tpmadmin.msc and click "Turn TPM Off" in the action list. You need the password (Check your owners manuals), but it disables the hardware. Some BIOSes have an option to turn it off.

I always figured there had to be a way to turn it off since there is also an option for it in group policy. If group policy can change it in an enterprise environment then it should be available to the home user as well, albeit through esoteric means at times.

uber humper: Switch to Linux is not a huge one, just do it.

I've been dragging my feet because I'm addicted to MechWarrior Online


What's your MWO handle? I'm megapoodle :)

I'm running it on a boot camp retina MBP, seems to work well enough for me to blast whoever needs it...
 
2013-08-22 12:45:29 PM  

Driedsponge: It's crap like this that actually makes me believe that within my lifetime "the year of the linux desktop" will cease to be a myth.  It's very difficult for the rest of the world to justify using MS software when they are handing the keys to your endpoints directly to the US government.  Especially when the rules specifically allow the NSA to spy on foreign systems at will.

It's also stuff like this that makes me very angry that Autodesk Production Suite does not support anything but Windows.  I'd have ditched MS in my entire office after XP if we could get a decent modeling software in Linux.


It's been a few years since I've used Autodesk products, but I was under the impression they were offering Mac versions of their software now. It's not Linux, but at least it's now windows...

/I'd love to have Solidworks in Linux but I'm guessing it'll be a cold day in hell before that happens.
 
2013-08-22 12:47:07 PM  
It's FUD season!
i18.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-22 12:51:04 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: ampoliros: If they have to put "trusted" in the title, it probably shouldn't be trusted.

Well, you sure don't sound like a PATRIOT.


Well, you don't have to RAM your ideals down our throats.  Now excuse me while I go play some DDR.

/...that is the pun, right?
 
2013-08-22 12:56:43 PM  

Kit Fister: Good for you. And some of us still need Windows for compatibility with apps like Sharepoint and so on based on business requirements, and doing everything in a Windows install inside of a VM doesn't cut it.


www.stanford.edu
 
2013-08-22 12:58:55 PM  
This is about TPM 2.0, which won't really be in place until 2015 - although some companies will implement it early. And you won't be able to turn it off, and it is a backdoor...although they pinky swear it will only be used for good.

/I don't blame the Germans for warning their agencies to avoid Win 8. This is almost as bad as root kits on audio cds.
 
2013-08-22 01:08:59 PM  

Kit Fister: uber humper: IdBeCrazyIf: uber humper: There is a learning curve, but if you have even the slightest DIY mindset you'll figure out how to figure things out pretty quickly.

I figured there would be something, its more a case of me just being lazy and not wanting to hear my wife biatch that the computer 'looks different'

I'll get there eventually

Dual boot or have two boxes.

 If you have an old computer laying around, put it on that as a starter. IT dosen't need to be speedy.

On my desk I have 4 monitors and two computers.  One Windows 7 one Fedora.  I use a progam called Synergy than allows me to share a keyboard and mouse, over a network, between multiple computers.  I can take my mouse pointer and drag it accross four screens and two computers. Copy and paste also works.

Good for you. And some of us still need Windows for compatibility with apps like Sharepoint and so on based on business requirements, and doing everything in a Windows install inside of a VM doesn't cut it.


He's saying in scenario just for *trying* it. Personally, I've had to run Photoshop and a few other Windows programs at work for like 3 years now. I do it all in a virtual machine on Linux and it's literally as painless as having another window open that runs a Windows session. It's not slow or clumsy, I just open the save state and work on things. The wonderful thing is, I can move that virtual machine to any comptuer I want. I upgraded to a new laptop and just copied over my virtual machine. No having to reconfigure my custom environment, just boot it up and go, regardless of the host OS.
 
2013-08-22 01:17:26 PM  
I don't trust "trusted computing". They don't just want it around to stop looting.
 
2013-08-22 01:24:15 PM  

Pilotgeek: He's saying in scenario just for *trying* it. Personally, I've had to run Photoshop and a few other Windows programs at work for like 3 years now. I do it all in a virtual machine on Linux and it's literally as painless as having another window open that runs a Windows session. It's not slow or clumsy, I just open the save state and work on things. The wonderful thing is, I can move that virtual machine to any comptuer I want. I upgraded to a new laptop and just copied over my virtual machine. No having to reconfigure my custom environment, just boot it up and go, regardless of the host OS.


That works well, except again, i need interoperability with Sharepoint, the full MS Suite, extensive use of Exchange and AD type stuff, and the plugins/interop with Webex which doesn't as of now work on Linux.

So, at least for me, I'd end up installing Linux, then doing everything in a VM I was doing bare metal before. Plus, I'd have to find a way to get games to run on Linux...
 
2013-08-22 01:25:06 PM  
 
2013-08-22 01:37:08 PM  

Sock Ruh Tease: Testosterone Pit sounds like a great name for a strip club.


Sounds more like a gay leather bar.
 
2013-08-22 01:38:25 PM  

jigger: Sock Ruh Tease: Testosterone Pit sounds like a great name for a strip club.

Sounds more like a gay leather bar.


why not both?
 
2013-08-22 01:39:10 PM  

Private_Citizen: This is about TPM 2.0, which won't really be in place until 2015 - although some companies will implement it early. And you won't be able to turn it off, and it is a backdoor...although they pinky swear it will only be used for good.

/I don't blame the Germans for warning their agencies to avoid Win 8. This is almost as bad as root kits on audio cds.


Not that I don't trust your word, but can you explain how TPM 2.0 is a back door?
 
2013-08-22 01:42:59 PM  
Oh, for the love of all things loveable.

Not only is the article wrong about how TPM works, as several others have pointed out, it's also wrong about how Windows 8 works.

Windows 8 -- the OS for x86/x64 PCs -- does not use TPM in this way. TPM is not forced on by default, and if it's on, you can turn it off.

Windows RT -- the Windows version used on the cheaper Surface tablets and on a few third-party tablets -- forces TPM on, and forces everything to go through Microsoft.

So, yes, if you're concerned about Microsoft having total control over your PC, then don't buy a Surface tablet, which comes from Microsoft and gets all its apps through the Microsoft store. This is not exactly rocket surgery.
 
2013-08-22 01:58:22 PM  

misanthropic1: WayToBlue: misanthropic1: jonr: I'm seriously starting to consider Linux. I don't play games much anymore, and my favorite is available on Linux anyway...  (getting tired of this shiat)

What's your fave open source game?

Nethack ftw!

/I'm actually guessing he'll say minecraft.

My bet is Battle for Wesnorth, but I remain curious.


What's wrong with http://sauerbraten.org/ ?
 
2013-08-22 02:02:40 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: Private_Citizen: This is about TPM 2.0, which won't really be in place until 2015 - although some companies will implement it early. And you won't be able to turn it off, and it is a backdoor...although they pinky swear it will only be used for good.

/I don't blame the Germans for warning their agencies to avoid Win 8. This is almost as bad as root kits on audio cds.

Not that I don't trust your word, but can you explain how TPM 2.0 is a back door?


From the trusted computing foundation on why they updated the specs:

...the authorization mechanisms in TPM 1.2 did not provide sufficient flexibility for certain applications, prompting a push to include enhanced authorization in TPM 2.0 .The new secification also adds some additional functionality and capabilities.

Furthermore TCP 2.0 provides for:

...enhanced authorization: support for very flexible and fine-grained control over how and when TPM-protected data and keys can be accessed.

And that's from the faq. When the Germans looked over the detailed specs, that's when they issued the warning.
 
2013-08-22 02:13:45 PM  
The UFIA secutiy chip on the motherboard is a bad thing.

Don't buy an OEM board from HP(horse piss) or Dell(shiatty capacitors) or any other already windows installed systems.

But a board from newegg or any other parts supplier, so you can turn off UFIA without needing to hack your OEM board to turn off UFIA which is password key locked by the OEM Corporation. Then install/run Linux.

/UFIA: unsolicited finger in anus.
//Its a Fark tradition.
 
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