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(Some Guy)   What do Microsoft, the NSA and the Chinese have in common? If you're using Win 8, the answer may be closer than you think   (testosteronepit.com ) divider line
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2013-08-22 10:32:21 AM  

Steve McQueen's Motorcycle: Ugh.  I need a new machine too.

Am you allowed to downgrade from 8 to 7?


In general Microsoft does allow you to install an older version of an OS if you have a legal license for the latest version.

I am not sure this applies for home users and I expect it does not apply for OEM installs of Windows.
 
2013-08-22 10:34:28 AM  

lohphat: skinink: You're farked no matter what Windows OS you use. Unless you never heard of Patch Tuesdays used by Microsoft to plug all the holes they keep finding in all their operating systems. I doubt W7 is more secure from snooping than W8 is.

Are you saying that there are never any security fixes in any of the dozens of monthly module updates Linux distros post via yum and apt-get?


No, you brought up Linux. My only point had to deal with Windows and that all of their OSs are insecure. I know squat about Linux security/holes.
 
2013-08-22 10:34:45 AM  
When I think of serious news, I always go to sites that look worse than an Alex Jones ripoff
 
2013-08-22 10:35:12 AM  
It's not a backdoor, it's not new, it's not unique to Windows 8, your blog sucks and the submitter is an inbred retard.

There are plenty of valid criticisms of and concerns over TCG standards and this article makes no attempt to lay out any of them. Instead, bullshiat like this serves only to inoculate people against those arguments by first fatiguing them with this kind of head-spinning baloney.
 
2013-08-22 10:35:20 AM  

skinink: lohphat: skinink: You're farked no matter what Windows OS you use. Unless you never heard of Patch Tuesdays used by Microsoft to plug all the holes they keep finding in all their operating systems. I doubt W7 is more secure from snooping than W8 is.

Are you saying that there are never any security fixes in any of the dozens of monthly module updates Linux distros post via yum and apt-get?

No, you brought up Linux. My only point had to deal with Windows and that all of their OSs are insecure. I know squat about Linux security/holes.


One word:

Hackintosh
 
2013-08-22 10:35:59 AM  
Lot of you people sound old.
 
2013-08-22 10:37:43 AM  
As reliable a source like "testosterone pit" is, this appears to be nonsense. I'm not really a fan of TPM's just because they add complexity and I don't expect them to really solve the problems they try to solve, but there is zero evidence (including in this article) that they can be used for surveillance.
 
2013-08-22 10:42:19 AM  
It must be true, I read it on the intarwebs!!

Dipshiat author.  TPM can be used to determine what can NOT run on a computer.  We've gone from 'everything can run' to 'everything but this'.  So if Microsoft is in cahoots then nothing has changed.  If they are not then things got safer.  Logic are hards.
 
2013-08-22 10:44:41 AM  
If they have to put "trusted" in the title, it probably shouldn't be trusted.
 
2013-08-22 10:46:21 AM  

WTFDYW: HAd to purchase a new computer. Windows7 install would have cost me a bunch more money. Went ahead and bit Windows8 figuring I'd get used to it.

I did not get used to it. It blows dog. I will NEVER like this shiat.


Ubuntu/Mint/Xubuntu/Lubuntu -  LibreOffice and Steam for linux, if you have to have games. USB stick and a 20 minute download of the bootdisk is your best friend. PS4 is right around the corner if you find you still hate gaming under linux...

If you need to remote to a windows PC elsewhere, there are RDP/VNC clients and Juniper/CIsco/Citrix vpn clients for linux for most work environments you might have to reach from home.

/Windows-free home network over 5 years now
 
2013-08-22 10:47:23 AM  

NutWrench: I'm really liking Kubuntu Linux. They make a version that you can install on a USB stick which you can boot off of, without making any changes to your computer. It also gives you an option at startup to install to your hard drive (either a complete OS replacement or a dual boot.)


how fast is it?
 
2013-08-22 10:48:24 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: Arsten: Run tpmadmin.msc and click "Turn TPM Off" in the action list. You need the password (Check your owners manuals), but it disables the hardware. Some BIOSes have an option to turn it off.

I always figured there had to be a way to turn it off since there is also an option for it in group policy. If group policy can change it in an enterprise environment then it should be available to the home user as well, albeit through esoteric means at times.

uber humper: Switch to Linux is not a huge one, just do it.

I've been dragging my feet because I'm addicted to MechWarrior Online


Wine allows you to run Windows programs inside of Linux -- not all but quite a few.
Found this off a quick google search:   http://mwomercs.com/forums/topic/69026-running-mechwarrior-online-in -w ine-1516/ You'd want to check the wine database to make sure current version is compaitable

Also, you could make a windows Virtual Machine.

There is a learning curve, but if you have even the slightest DIY mindset you'll figure out how to figure things out pretty quickly.
 
2013-08-22 10:48:34 AM  
skozlaw: It's not a backdoor, it's not new, it's not unique to Windows 8, your blog sucks and the submitter is an inbred retard.

damn, son. cut back on your caffeine intake
 
2013-08-22 10:48:48 AM  

Steve McQueen's Motorcycle: Am you allowed to downgrade from 8 to 7?


You ams allowed to with a professional licence.
 
2013-08-22 10:48:54 AM  
snark alert

Now you see how much trouble Snowden has caused and why he must be hunted down
 
2013-08-22 10:49:59 AM  

corq: WTFDYW: HAd to purchase a new computer. Windows7 install would have cost me a bunch more money. Went ahead and bit Windows8 figuring I'd get used to it.

I did not get used to it. It blows dog. I will NEVER like this shiat.

Ubuntu/Mint/Xubuntu/Lubuntu -  LibreOffice and Steam for linux, if you have to have games. USB stick and a 20 minute download of the bootdisk is your best friend. PS4 is right around the corner if you find you still hate gaming under linux...

If you need to remote to a windows PC elsewhere, there are RDP/VNC clients and Juniper/CIsco/Citrix vpn clients for linux for most work environments you might have to reach from home.

/Windows-free home network over 5 years now


I am being serious when I say this: a Hackintosh is the best of everything

You don't have to worry about the security problems with Windows, and, OS X has a decent amount of games out there. WINE works very well. Not only that, Parallels, a virtual machine program, is the best VM out there out, period.
 
gja
2013-08-22 10:50:03 AM  

MightyPez: MightyPez: Mad_Radhu: GoldSpider: Can I assume that Apple computers/devices have this as well?

Yeah, plus on the Apple side it is also used to prevent you from installing the OS on any x86 hardware you want.

From the article:

Apple phased out the surveillance chips in 2009.

The article is specifically referencing TPM. It was integrated in many Intel chipsets, but it never appeared to be activated with a proper driver in OS X.

It should be noted the lack of TPM made it difficult for certain encryption methods (such as BitLocker in Boot Camp) to work correctly.


Who cares? Bitlocker SUCKS.
TrueCrypt FTW.
 
2013-08-22 10:52:28 AM  

gja: MightyPez: MightyPez: Mad_Radhu: GoldSpider: Can I assume that Apple computers/devices have this as well?

Yeah, plus on the Apple side it is also used to prevent you from installing the OS on any x86 hardware you want.

From the article:

Apple phased out the surveillance chips in 2009.

The article is specifically referencing TPM. It was integrated in many Intel chipsets, but it never appeared to be activated with a proper driver in OS X.

It should be noted the lack of TPM made it difficult for certain encryption methods (such as BitLocker in Boot Camp) to work correctly.

Who cares? Bitlocker SUCKS.
TrueCrypt FTW.


The point was BitLocker specifically uses TPM for its encryption. If a device i lacking a TPM bitlocker won't work, so it's a good indicator if a TPM is present or not.

/TrueCrypt 10gb container housed on Dropbox
//PointSec full disk encryption at work
 
2013-08-22 10:53:51 AM  

misanthropic1: jonr: I'm seriously starting to consider Linux. I don't play games much anymore, and my favorite is available on Linux anyway...  (getting tired of this shiat)

What's your fave open source game?


Nethack ftw!

/I'm actually guessing he'll say minecraft.
 
2013-08-22 10:54:40 AM  

bindlestiff2600: snark alert

Now you see how much trouble Snowden has caused and why he must be hunted down


...and given a six pack and an apple pie.
 
2013-08-22 10:55:17 AM  
so at what point do companies start dropping windows because it's to blame for corporate sabotage and spying? i mean governments love probing individual people but as soon as there's a $ loss to all of this then time to throw it all out the window
 
2013-08-22 10:57:35 AM  

HenryFnord: Steve McQueen's Motorcycle: Ugh.  I need a new machine too.

Am you allowed to downgrade from 8 to 7?

No. There's no rollback path. You'd have to wipe and do a fresh install of Win 7.


You do realize they can do the same thing in Win 7 and have been able to do such things since XP right? This is not new. If you want security you go to Linux and learn to administer it yourself, if you want a convenient GUI you go to MS or Apple.
 
2013-08-22 10:58:10 AM  

GoldSpider: Can I assume that Apple computers/devices have this as well?


Yes.
 
2013-08-22 10:58:14 AM  

MightyPez: gja: MightyPez: MightyPez: Mad_Radhu: GoldSpider: Can I assume that Apple computers/devices have this as well?

Yeah, plus on the Apple side it is also used to prevent you from installing the OS on any x86 hardware you want.

From the article:

Apple phased out the surveillance chips in 2009.

The article is specifically referencing TPM. It was integrated in many Intel chipsets, but it never appeared to be activated with a proper driver in OS X.

It should be noted the lack of TPM made it difficult for certain encryption methods (such as BitLocker in Boot Camp) to work correctly.

Who cares? Bitlocker SUCKS.
TrueCrypt FTW.

The point was BitLocker specifically uses TPM for its encryption. If a device i lacking a TPM bitlocker won't work, so it's a good indicator if a TPM is present or not.

/TrueCrypt 10gb container housed on Dropbox
//PointSec full disk encryption at work


I was thinking that 400GB container is the best.  If the authorities ask you to open it up, say that it is Assange's 400GB insurance file (that was released the other day) and you don't have the key becuse he hasn't given it out.

/We need to persuade  him into release a smaller/portable version
 
2013-08-22 10:58:14 AM  

AdamK: so at what point do companies start dropping windows because it's to blame for corporate sabotage and spying? i mean governments love probing individual people but as soon as there's a $ loss to all of this then time to throw it all out the window


And replace it with what?

Linux is a joke and Apple is expensive as shiat, and not everyone can make a hackintosh

We're stuck with it
 
2013-08-22 11:00:59 AM  

WayToBlue: misanthropic1: jonr: I'm seriously starting to consider Linux. I don't play games much anymore, and my favorite is available on Linux anyway...  (getting tired of this shiat)

What's your fave open source game?

Nethack ftw!

/I'm actually guessing he'll say minecraft.


My bet is Battle for Wesnorth, but I remain curious.
 
2013-08-22 11:01:43 AM  

cman: AdamK: so at what point do companies start dropping windows because it's to blame for corporate sabotage and spying? i mean governments love probing individual people but as soon as there's a $ loss to all of this then time to throw it all out the window

And replace it with what?

Linux is a joke and Apple is expensive as shiat, and not everyone can make a hackintosh

We're stuck with it


Have you used in Linux distros latley? What's the joke about it? The majority of the web is running on it right now, along with about 1/3 1/2 smart phones.
 
2013-08-22 11:04:16 AM  

uber humper: cman: AdamK: so at what point do companies start dropping windows because it's to blame for corporate sabotage and spying? i mean governments love probing individual people but as soon as there's a $ loss to all of this then time to throw it all out the window

And replace it with what?

Linux is a joke and Apple is expensive as shiat, and not everyone can make a hackintosh

We're stuck with it

Have you used in Linux distros latley? What's the joke about it? The majority of the web is running on it right now, along with about 1/3 1/2 smart phones.


Yes I have used it recently. Its still a joke. Until Linux has uniformity then Linux will be a joke.

Android is based on Linux, but guess what? Its uniformity amongst devices, which can be problematic, isn't as bad as trying to fix an Ubuntu problem with instructions for Arch Linux.
 
2013-08-22 11:04:38 AM  
The only reason I need windows at all is to test with Internet Explorer. With IE usage steadily declining over the years to 20%-25% today, that reason gets less and less important. If it gets down to 5%, I can finally justify dumping this garbage completely. If any of my sites detect IE, I'll show them a page with download links to Firefox, Chrome, Safari, whatever. F*ck MS and their backdoors.
 
2013-08-22 11:04:38 AM  
farm3.staticflickr.com
 
2013-08-22 11:08:54 AM  

Pariah.: /Windows 7
//Fark Windows 8


So much this.  I thought Vista was good until I upgraded to 7, holy crap is it even better.

/Wants a 1 TB SSD
//Windows 7 will let me do that
///and it will be awesome
 
2013-08-22 11:11:09 AM  

uber humper: There is a learning curve, but if you have even the slightest DIY mindset you'll figure out how to figure things out pretty quickly.


I figured there would be something, its more a case of me just being lazy and not wanting to hear my wife biatch that the computer 'looks different'

I'll get there eventually
 
2013-08-22 11:11:17 AM  

NutWrench: Also, don't use Windows Bitlocker, unless you trust Microsoft not to have engineered a backdoor into it.

/use third party open-source encryption, instead.


Yeah, because a bunch of faceless people in the shadows would never do that either.
It's not like there could be class action lawsuits or bad publicity that could be directed against one entity.

/bunch of paranoid children
//article is full of "they could" or "what ifs", not actual practices
 
2013-08-22 11:13:25 AM  

cman: uber humper: cman: AdamK: so at what point do companies start dropping windows because it's to blame for corporate sabotage and spying? i mean governments love probing individual people but as soon as there's a $ loss to all of this then time to throw it all out the window

And replace it with what?

Linux is a joke and Apple is expensive as shiat, and not everyone can make a hackintosh

We're stuck with it

Have you used in Linux distros latley? What's the joke about it? The majority of the web is running on it right now, along with about 1/3 1/2 smart phones.

Yes I have used it recently. Its still a joke. Until Linux has uniformity then Linux will be a joke.

Android is based on Linux, but guess what? Its uniformity amongst devices, which can be problematic, isn't as bad as trying to fix an Ubuntu problem with instructions for Arch Linux.


If you NEED a click-and-drool, you better stick with OSX.

/Apps that a moron would use all have major distro specific instructions
//although, I did just had a hard time installing Scrivener on Fedora 64
 
2013-08-22 11:17:44 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: uber humper: There is a learning curve, but if you have even the slightest DIY mindset you'll figure out how to figure things out pretty quickly.

I figured there would be something, its more a case of me just being lazy and not wanting to hear my wife biatch that the computer 'looks different'

I'll get there eventually


Dual boot or have two boxes.

 If you have an old computer laying around, put it on that as a starter. IT dosen't need to be speedy.

On my desk I have 4 monitors and two computers.  One Windows 7 one Fedora.  I use a progam called Synergy than allows me to share a keyboard and mouse, over a network, between multiple computers.  I can take my mouse pointer and drag it accross four screens and two computers. Copy and paste also works.
 
2013-08-22 11:19:10 AM  

uber humper: Dual boot or have two boxes.

If you have an old computer laying around, put it on that as a starter. IT dosen't need to be speedy.

On my desk I have 4 monitors and two computers. One Windows 7 one Fedora. I use a progam called Synergy than allows me to share a keyboard and mouse, over a network, between multiple computers. I can take my mouse pointer and drag it accross four screens and two computers. Copy and paste also works.


I see that playon has a linux version as well.

Ohh well, I guess its time to get my ass in gear. I think I'll have time this weekend, assuming the 1 year old doesn't fark it up.
 
2013-08-22 11:20:48 AM  
I don't get the concern. I've been using Windows since the 286/386 days. I have NEVER known M$oft to do anything illegal, sneaky or underhanded. They've always been open and straightforward with their users and other software companies. Nary a lie from their lips, ever.

Paragons of Virtue. That should be M$soft's name.
 
2013-08-22 11:21:26 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: uber humper: Dual boot or have two boxes.

If you have an old computer laying around, put it on that as a starter. IT dosen't need to be speedy.

On my desk I have 4 monitors and two computers. One Windows 7 one Fedora. I use a progam called Synergy than allows me to share a keyboard and mouse, over a network, between multiple computers. I can take my mouse pointer and drag it accross four screens and two computers. Copy and paste also works.

I see that playon has a linux version as well.

Ohh well, I guess its time to get my ass in gear. I think I'll have time this weekend, assuming the 1 year old doesn't fark it up.


http://lifehacker.com/5993297/ubuntu-vs-mint-which-linux-distro-is-b et ter-for-beginners
 
2013-08-22 11:22:29 AM  
Seems legit.  I get all my tech news from Testosterone Pit
 
2013-08-22 11:22:41 AM  
It allows Microsoft to control the computer remotely through a built-in backdoor. Keys to that backdoor are likely accessible to the NSA - and in an unintended ironic twist, perhaps even to the Chinese. The backdoor is called "Trusted Computing," developed and promoted by the Trusted Computing Group, founded a decade ago by the all-American tech companies AMD, Cisco, Hewlett-Packard, IBM, Intel, Microsoft, and Wave Systems. Its core element is a chip, the Trusted Platform Module (TPM),


What in the everloving fark is going on in this country?!

Its purpose is Digital Rights Management and computer security.


Ah, of course. Protecting us from dangerous pirated content, for our own good. Carry on.
 
2013-08-22 11:22:44 AM  
cman:isn't as bad as trying to fix an Ubuntu problem with instructions for Arch Linux.

PEBKAC.


HTH.  HAND.
 
2013-08-22 11:24:35 AM  

uber humper: http://lifehacker.com/5993297/ubuntu-vs-mint-which-linux-distro-is-b et ter-for-beginners


Good link
 
2013-08-22 11:24:37 AM  

uber humper: cman: AdamK: so at what point do companies start dropping windows because it's to blame for corporate sabotage and spying? i mean governments love probing individual people but as soon as there's a $ loss to all of this then time to throw it all out the window

And replace it with what?

Linux is a joke and Apple is expensive as shiat, and not everyone can make a hackintosh

We're stuck with it

Have you used in Linux distros latley? What's the joke about it? The majority of the web is running on it right now, along with about 1/3 1/2 smart phones.


Let me guess, it's the Year of the Linux Desktop?
 
2013-08-22 11:25:02 AM  

cman: Yes I have used it recently. Its still a joke. Until Linux has uniformity then Linux will be a joke.


Such a joke, it has decades of track record.

HA HA!!!
 
2013-08-22 11:25:34 AM  
XP Pro -  that's the good stuff.
Actually, I should bite the bullet and see what Linux is all about and if it's more hassle than it's worth.
 
2013-08-22 11:29:31 AM  

mediablitz: cman: Yes I have used it recently. Its still a joke. Until Linux has uniformity then Linux will be a joke.

Such a joke, it has decades of track record.

HA HA!!!


Is 2014 gonna finally be the year of the Linux desktop?
 
2013-08-22 11:30:05 AM  

Whatthefark: I remember hearing about this with Windows 98\2000.




Yep, it took a while but it happened like many of us said.
 
2013-08-22 11:33:53 AM  

ampoliros: If they have to put "trusted" in the title, it probably shouldn't be trusted.


Well, you sure don't sound like a PATRIOT.
 
2013-08-22 11:35:18 AM  
What crap.  TPM is just an encryption/trust module. It doesn't magically open a back door to your PC.  Software interfaces with it for cryptographic functions and identity verification to protect data.  With or without it, you are at the mercy of any OS that runs on your box.  Microsoft can't do anything on your computer with TPM any more than it can do without it.
 
2013-08-22 11:35:27 AM  

GoldSpider: MightyPez: Apple phased out the surveillance chips in 2009.

Says someone with an obvious axe to grind with Microsoft.  I'd be less skeptical with some proof from a less biased source.

/Very seriously considering buying a Mac as my next desktop.


If you plan on gaming, don't but an iMac, Mac Mini, or laptop, and upgrade the video card. Even Civilization V runs like a pig on my i7 Mac Mini because the crappy Intel4000 graphics chip they put in all of those sucks balls. My PC, with its old core duo processor but with a cutting-edge 2009 video card flies in comparison.
 
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