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(Some Guy)   What do Microsoft, the NSA and the Chinese have in common? If you're using Win 8, the answer may be closer than you think   ( testosteronepit.com) divider line
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2013-08-22 08:29:34 AM  
Another reason for me to f*cking hate thate abboration of an OS
 
2013-08-22 09:31:24 AM  
Thank god I only use my Windows 8 machine for Hentai and German Scheiße porn.

Bring it on surveillance state!
 
2013-08-22 09:31:34 AM  
Testosterone Pit sounds like a great name for a strip club.
 
2013-08-22 09:31:54 AM  
Anyone who is surprised please raise your left hand.
 
2013-08-22 09:32:25 AM  
Also, don't use Windows Bitlocker, unless you trust Microsoft not to have engineered a backdoor into it.

/use third party open-source encryption, instead.
 
2013-08-22 09:32:53 AM  
Ugh.  I need a new machine too.

Am you allowed to downgrade from 8 to 7?
 
2013-08-22 09:33:29 AM  

Steve McQueen's Motorcycle: Ugh.  I need a new machine too.

Am you allowed to downgrade from 8 to 7?


Am????
 
2013-08-22 09:33:41 AM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-08-22 09:33:59 AM  
Everyone does realize that this trusted platform has existed since Vista correct?
 
2013-08-22 09:35:08 AM  

Steve McQueen's Motorcycle: Ugh.  I need a new machine too.

Am you allowed to downgrade from 8 to 7?


No. There's no rollback path. You'd have to wipe and do a fresh install of Win 7.
 
2013-08-22 09:35:13 AM  
Why would we trust the Germans, they bombed Pearl Harbor.
 
2013-08-22 09:36:18 AM  
Wish this article had more info on what kind of hardware has the physical chip, over what time frames.

/Windows 7
//Fark Windows 8
 
2013-08-22 09:37:06 AM  
Hey guys, what's going on?
/posted from Linux
 
2013-08-22 09:38:22 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: Everyone does realize that this trusted platform has existed since Vista correct?


Except you could turn it off before the failed abortion that is 8.
 
2013-08-22 09:40:13 AM  
Don't fret precious I'm here
 
2013-08-22 09:40:33 AM  
Can I assume that Apple computers/devices have this as well?
 
2013-08-22 09:41:44 AM  
I'm really liking Kubuntu Linux. They make a version that you can install on a USB stick which you can boot off of, without making any changes to your computer. It also gives you an option at startup to install to your hard drive (either a complete OS replacement or a dual boot.)
 
2013-08-22 09:44:26 AM  
HAd to purchase a new computer. Windows7 install would have cost me a bunch more money. Went ahead and bit Windows8 figuring I'd get used to it.

I did not get used to it. It blows dog. I will NEVER like this shiat.
 
2013-08-22 09:46:23 AM  
Windows 2000 had the same abilities, but was only beaming back your software info. I wasn't under the impression MS ever gave up on the concept.
 
2013-08-22 09:47:29 AM  

Steve McQueen's Motorcycle: Steve McQueen's Motorcycle: Ugh.  I need a new machine too.

Am you allowed to downgrade from 8 to 7?

Am????


Not AM as in Allied Mastercomputer, AM as in cognito ergo sum- I think therefore I AM.
 
2013-08-22 09:49:17 AM  

sno man: IdBeCrazyIf: Everyone does realize that this trusted platform has existed since Vista correct?

Except you could turn it off before the failed abortion that is 8.


I haven't looked but I was under the impression that it is enabled by default but can if needed still be disabled since in rare instances you could brick your motherboard using it.
 
2013-08-22 09:50:04 AM  
*sigh* well, I know what i'm doing this weekend.

/I can run most of the crap I need to in a VM on linux...
 
2013-08-22 09:50:20 AM  

WTFDYW: HAd to purchase a new computer. Windows7 install would have cost me a bunch more money. Went ahead and bit Windows8 figuring I'd get used to it.

I did not get used to it. It blows dog. I will NEVER like this shiat.


classicshell.net

You're welcome.
 
2013-08-22 09:50:47 AM  

GoldSpider: Can I assume that Apple computers/devices have this as well?


Yeah, plus on the Apple side it is also used to prevent you from installing the OS on any x86 hardware you want.
 
2013-08-22 09:51:59 AM  

NutWrench: They make a version that you can install on a USB stick which you can boot off of, without making any changes to your computer.


When one of my disks died, the one with the OS on it, rather than buying a new HDD, I picked up an 8GB thumbdrive for 5 bucks and put a full installation on it.  It wasn't a "live image" - it was a normal install to the thumbdrive rather than to /dev/sda.

I ran things like that for 2 years.  It worked fine.

I wouldn't even attempt to do that with Windows.

--
BMO
 
2013-08-22 09:57:23 AM  

Mad_Radhu: GoldSpider: Can I assume that Apple computers/devices have this as well?

Yeah, plus on the Apple side it is also used to prevent you from installing the OS on any x86 hardware you want.


From the article:

Apple phased out the surveillance chips in 2009.

The article is specifically referencing TPM. It was integrated in many Intel chipsets, but it never appeared to be activated with a proper driver in OS X.
 
2013-08-22 09:57:57 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: sno man: IdBeCrazyIf: Everyone does realize that this trusted platform has existed since Vista correct?

Except you could turn it off before the failed abortion that is 8.

I haven't looked but I was under the impression that it is enabled by default but can if needed still be disabled since in rare instances you could brick your motherboard using it.


I'm no expert, but do have a fair bit of experience with various versions of windows and I haven't found the off switch yet...
 
2013-08-22 09:58:58 AM  
If you have Windows 8, get Classic Shell or Start 8 and that takes 90% of the BS away.  If you have a touch pad disable the swipe nonsense too.

With Start8 and Classic Shell you boot to the desktop and skip all of that Metro stuff.
 
2013-08-22 09:59:01 AM  

Mad_Radhu: GoldSpider: Can I assume that Apple computers/devices have this as well?

Yeah, plus on the Apple side it is also used to prevent you from installing the OS on any x86 hardware you want.

TFA:  Apple phased out the surveillance chips in 2009. Linux doesn't comply with the standards, and Linux machines cannot use the technology.


Looks like Apple doesn't use them anymore.
 
2013-08-22 09:59:15 AM  

MightyPez: Mad_Radhu: GoldSpider: Can I assume that Apple computers/devices have this as well?

Yeah, plus on the Apple side it is also used to prevent you from installing the OS on any x86 hardware you want.

From the article:

Apple phased out the surveillance chips in 2009.

The article is specifically referencing TPM. It was integrated in many Intel chipsets, but it never appeared to be activated with a proper driver in OS X.


It should be noted the lack of TPM made it difficult for certain encryption methods (such as BitLocker in Boot Camp) to work correctly.
 
2013-08-22 09:59:19 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: Everyone does realize that this trusted platform has existed since Vista correct?


I know trusted installer has. And if you delete that you are in a world of hurt if you don't have a backup.

ANYWAYS, fark that shiat. Fedora FTW. Switch to Linux is not a huge one, just do it.

And use owncloud if you need your files in the tubes.

The only way to get this to stop is to make circumvention common
 
2013-08-22 09:59:37 AM  
Boy are they going to be disappointed when they find out Linux and other open software are making use of TPM.
 
2013-08-22 10:00:44 AM  

oh_please: WTFDYW: HAd to purchase a new computer. Windows7 install would have cost me a bunch more money. Went ahead and bit Windows8 figuring I'd get used to it.

I did not get used to it. It blows dog. I will NEVER like this shiat.

classicshell.net

You're welcome.


It doesn't excuse Microsoft, but this solution is so farking simple I want to slap people who still complain.
 
2013-08-22 10:01:39 AM  
I'm seriously starting to consider Linux. I don't play games much anymore, and my favorite is available on Linux anyway...  (getting tired of this shiat)
 
2013-08-22 10:01:56 AM  

sno man: IdBeCrazyIf: sno man: IdBeCrazyIf: Everyone does realize that this trusted platform has existed since Vista correct?

Except you could turn it off before the failed abortion that is 8.

I haven't looked but I was under the impression that it is enabled by default but can if needed still be disabled since in rare instances you could brick your motherboard using it.

I'm no expert, but do have a fair bit of experience with various versions of windows and I haven't found the off switch yet...


Run tpmadmin.msc and click "Turn TPM Off" in the action list. You need the password (Check your owners manuals), but it disables the hardware. Some BIOSes have an option to turn it off.
 
2013-08-22 10:03:19 AM  

MightyPez: Apple phased out the surveillance chips in 2009.


Says someone with an obvious axe to grind with Microsoft.  I'd be less skeptical with some proof from a less biased source.

/Very seriously considering buying a Mac as my next desktop.
 
2013-08-22 10:03:36 AM  
You're farked no matter what Windows OS you use. Unless you never heard of Patch Tuesdays used by Microsoft to plug all the holes they keep finding in all their operating systems. I doubt W7 is more secure from snooping than W8 is.
 
2013-08-22 10:09:39 AM  

GoldSpider: MightyPez: Apple phased out the surveillance chips in 2009.

Says someone with an obvious axe to grind with Microsoft.  I'd be less skeptical with some proof from a less biased source.

/Very seriously considering buying a Mac as my next desktop.


So go look it up. There are plenty of other sources (The OSx86 community is a good one) that specifically says OS X, and by extension, Apple hardware lack support for TPM chips. In fact, get your hands on a Mac and type:

ioreg | grep TPM

You can check and see if TPM is on the computer. Again, services like BitLocker in BootCamp needed specific hacks to get around the lack of TPM.
 
2013-08-22 10:09:51 AM  
It's crap like this that actually makes me believe that within my lifetime "the year of the linux desktop" will cease to be a myth.  It's very difficult for the rest of the world to justify using MS software when they are handing the keys to your endpoints directly to the US government.  Especially when the rules specifically allow the NSA to spy on foreign systems at will.

It's also stuff like this that makes me very angry that Autodesk Production Suite does not support anything but Windows.  I'd have ditched MS in my entire office after XP if we could get a decent modeling software in Linux.
 
2013-08-22 10:12:12 AM  

Intrepid00: Boy are they going to be disappointed when they find out Linux and other open software are making use of TPM.


Thanks. I never read about it. I'm getting an education today.
 
2013-08-22 10:12:26 AM  
I remember hearing about this with Windows 98\2000.
 
2013-08-22 10:21:17 AM  
Good thing nobody's running Windows 8, then.
 
2013-08-22 10:21:40 AM  

Arsten: Run tpmadmin.msc and click "Turn TPM Off" in the action list. You need the password (Check your owners manuals), but it disables the hardware. Some BIOSes have an option to turn it off.


I always figured there had to be a way to turn it off since there is also an option for it in group policy. If group policy can change it in an enterprise environment then it should be available to the home user as well, albeit through esoteric means at times.

uber humper: Switch to Linux is not a huge one, just do it.


I've been dragging my feet because I'm addicted to MechWarrior Online
 
2013-08-22 10:22:03 AM  

skinink: You're farked no matter what Windows OS you use. Unless you never heard of Patch Tuesdays used by Microsoft to plug all the holes they keep finding in all their operating systems. I doubt W7 is more secure from snooping than W8 is.


Are you saying that there are never any security fixes in any of the dozens of monthly module updates Linux distros post via yum and apt-get?
 
2013-08-22 10:22:10 AM  
What's funny is, in China and Russia, you are not allowed to import PC's with a TPM chip. We had to ship all of our employees USB thumb drives in order for them to use BitLocker. This is all WIN7, we haven't considered rolling out WIN 8.

Going to have to check my wife's new laptop and see if it is running TPM 2.0. Man, there has got to be a way to disable it in the BIOS
 
2013-08-22 10:23:05 AM  
I keep looking for reasons to abandon Win 8.

Desktop: Win 7 Pro / Linux Mint 15
Laptop 1 : Win 7 Home
Laptop 2 : Win 8 Home

/ as long as I maintain Win 7 in some form or fashion, I can generally make Mint do whatever needs do'n.
 
2013-08-22 10:28:33 AM  

Go Fornicate Without a Partner: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 320x240]


My MIL has a sign with a similar saying at the back door of their house which is really the only way to get in.  She really is a nice person, so I haven't had the heart to say anything about it.  Just snicker when I walk in and say hi.

/FIL is named Bruce
//been almost 25 years and so far I haven't once said "G'day!"
///yay me
 
2013-08-22 10:30:09 AM  
TPM chips can be disabled in the BIOS of every computer that I have encountered.

We just did a full deploy of Bitlocker on our site and a lot of the time the TPM's were not only disabled by default but needed a BIOS upgrade just to get working.

That said, I expect all newer laptops will have them working by default.
 
2013-08-22 10:31:04 AM  

WTFDYW: HAd to purchase a new computer. Windows7 install would have cost me a bunch more money. Went ahead and bit Windows8 figuring I'd get used to it.

I did not get used to it. It blows dog. I will NEVER like this shiat.


This.  I've read articles saying that it works decently for touchscreen devices, but trying to actually do work with it has been the most aggrevating computing experience that I've ever had.
 
2013-08-22 10:31:25 AM  

jonr: I'm seriously starting to consider Linux. I don't play games much anymore, and my favorite is available on Linux anyway...  (getting tired of this shiat)


What's your fave open source game?
 
2013-08-22 10:32:21 AM  

Steve McQueen's Motorcycle: Ugh.  I need a new machine too.

Am you allowed to downgrade from 8 to 7?


In general Microsoft does allow you to install an older version of an OS if you have a legal license for the latest version.

I am not sure this applies for home users and I expect it does not apply for OEM installs of Windows.
 
2013-08-22 10:34:28 AM  

lohphat: skinink: You're farked no matter what Windows OS you use. Unless you never heard of Patch Tuesdays used by Microsoft to plug all the holes they keep finding in all their operating systems. I doubt W7 is more secure from snooping than W8 is.

Are you saying that there are never any security fixes in any of the dozens of monthly module updates Linux distros post via yum and apt-get?


No, you brought up Linux. My only point had to deal with Windows and that all of their OSs are insecure. I know squat about Linux security/holes.
 
2013-08-22 10:34:45 AM  
When I think of serious news, I always go to sites that look worse than an Alex Jones ripoff
 
2013-08-22 10:35:12 AM  
It's not a backdoor, it's not new, it's not unique to Windows 8, your blog sucks and the submitter is an inbred retard.

There are plenty of valid criticisms of and concerns over TCG standards and this article makes no attempt to lay out any of them. Instead, bullshiat like this serves only to inoculate people against those arguments by first fatiguing them with this kind of head-spinning baloney.
 
2013-08-22 10:35:20 AM  

skinink: lohphat: skinink: You're farked no matter what Windows OS you use. Unless you never heard of Patch Tuesdays used by Microsoft to plug all the holes they keep finding in all their operating systems. I doubt W7 is more secure from snooping than W8 is.

Are you saying that there are never any security fixes in any of the dozens of monthly module updates Linux distros post via yum and apt-get?

No, you brought up Linux. My only point had to deal with Windows and that all of their OSs are insecure. I know squat about Linux security/holes.


One word:

Hackintosh
 
2013-08-22 10:35:59 AM  
Lot of you people sound old.
 
2013-08-22 10:37:43 AM  
As reliable a source like "testosterone pit" is, this appears to be nonsense. I'm not really a fan of TPM's just because they add complexity and I don't expect them to really solve the problems they try to solve, but there is zero evidence (including in this article) that they can be used for surveillance.
 
2013-08-22 10:42:19 AM  
It must be true, I read it on the intarwebs!!

Dipshiat author.  TPM can be used to determine what can NOT run on a computer.  We've gone from 'everything can run' to 'everything but this'.  So if Microsoft is in cahoots then nothing has changed.  If they are not then things got safer.  Logic are hards.
 
2013-08-22 10:44:41 AM  
If they have to put "trusted" in the title, it probably shouldn't be trusted.
 
2013-08-22 10:46:21 AM  

WTFDYW: HAd to purchase a new computer. Windows7 install would have cost me a bunch more money. Went ahead and bit Windows8 figuring I'd get used to it.

I did not get used to it. It blows dog. I will NEVER like this shiat.


Ubuntu/Mint/Xubuntu/Lubuntu -  LibreOffice and Steam for linux, if you have to have games. USB stick and a 20 minute download of the bootdisk is your best friend. PS4 is right around the corner if you find you still hate gaming under linux...

If you need to remote to a windows PC elsewhere, there are RDP/VNC clients and Juniper/CIsco/Citrix vpn clients for linux for most work environments you might have to reach from home.

/Windows-free home network over 5 years now
 
2013-08-22 10:47:23 AM  

NutWrench: I'm really liking Kubuntu Linux. They make a version that you can install on a USB stick which you can boot off of, without making any changes to your computer. It also gives you an option at startup to install to your hard drive (either a complete OS replacement or a dual boot.)


how fast is it?
 
2013-08-22 10:48:24 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: Arsten: Run tpmadmin.msc and click "Turn TPM Off" in the action list. You need the password (Check your owners manuals), but it disables the hardware. Some BIOSes have an option to turn it off.

I always figured there had to be a way to turn it off since there is also an option for it in group policy. If group policy can change it in an enterprise environment then it should be available to the home user as well, albeit through esoteric means at times.

uber humper: Switch to Linux is not a huge one, just do it.

I've been dragging my feet because I'm addicted to MechWarrior Online


Wine allows you to run Windows programs inside of Linux -- not all but quite a few.
Found this off a quick google search:   http://mwomercs.com/forums/topic/69026-running-mechwarrior-online-in -w ine-1516/ You'd want to check the wine database to make sure current version is compaitable

Also, you could make a windows Virtual Machine.

There is a learning curve, but if you have even the slightest DIY mindset you'll figure out how to figure things out pretty quickly.
 
2013-08-22 10:48:34 AM  
skozlaw: It's not a backdoor, it's not new, it's not unique to Windows 8, your blog sucks and the submitter is an inbred retard.

damn, son. cut back on your caffeine intake
 
2013-08-22 10:48:48 AM  

Steve McQueen's Motorcycle: Am you allowed to downgrade from 8 to 7?


You ams allowed to with a professional licence.
 
2013-08-22 10:48:54 AM  
snark alert

Now you see how much trouble Snowden has caused and why he must be hunted down
 
2013-08-22 10:49:59 AM  

corq: WTFDYW: HAd to purchase a new computer. Windows7 install would have cost me a bunch more money. Went ahead and bit Windows8 figuring I'd get used to it.

I did not get used to it. It blows dog. I will NEVER like this shiat.

Ubuntu/Mint/Xubuntu/Lubuntu -  LibreOffice and Steam for linux, if you have to have games. USB stick and a 20 minute download of the bootdisk is your best friend. PS4 is right around the corner if you find you still hate gaming under linux...

If you need to remote to a windows PC elsewhere, there are RDP/VNC clients and Juniper/CIsco/Citrix vpn clients for linux for most work environments you might have to reach from home.

/Windows-free home network over 5 years now


I am being serious when I say this: a Hackintosh is the best of everything

You don't have to worry about the security problems with Windows, and, OS X has a decent amount of games out there. WINE works very well. Not only that, Parallels, a virtual machine program, is the best VM out there out, period.
 
gja
2013-08-22 10:50:03 AM  

MightyPez: MightyPez: Mad_Radhu: GoldSpider: Can I assume that Apple computers/devices have this as well?

Yeah, plus on the Apple side it is also used to prevent you from installing the OS on any x86 hardware you want.

From the article:

Apple phased out the surveillance chips in 2009.

The article is specifically referencing TPM. It was integrated in many Intel chipsets, but it never appeared to be activated with a proper driver in OS X.

It should be noted the lack of TPM made it difficult for certain encryption methods (such as BitLocker in Boot Camp) to work correctly.


Who cares? Bitlocker SUCKS.
TrueCrypt FTW.
 
2013-08-22 10:52:28 AM  

gja: MightyPez: MightyPez: Mad_Radhu: GoldSpider: Can I assume that Apple computers/devices have this as well?

Yeah, plus on the Apple side it is also used to prevent you from installing the OS on any x86 hardware you want.

From the article:

Apple phased out the surveillance chips in 2009.

The article is specifically referencing TPM. It was integrated in many Intel chipsets, but it never appeared to be activated with a proper driver in OS X.

It should be noted the lack of TPM made it difficult for certain encryption methods (such as BitLocker in Boot Camp) to work correctly.

Who cares? Bitlocker SUCKS.
TrueCrypt FTW.


The point was BitLocker specifically uses TPM for its encryption. If a device i lacking a TPM bitlocker won't work, so it's a good indicator if a TPM is present or not.

/TrueCrypt 10gb container housed on Dropbox
//PointSec full disk encryption at work
 
2013-08-22 10:53:51 AM  

misanthropic1: jonr: I'm seriously starting to consider Linux. I don't play games much anymore, and my favorite is available on Linux anyway...  (getting tired of this shiat)

What's your fave open source game?


Nethack ftw!

/I'm actually guessing he'll say minecraft.
 
2013-08-22 10:54:40 AM  

bindlestiff2600: snark alert

Now you see how much trouble Snowden has caused and why he must be hunted down


...and given a six pack and an apple pie.
 
2013-08-22 10:55:17 AM  
so at what point do companies start dropping windows because it's to blame for corporate sabotage and spying? i mean governments love probing individual people but as soon as there's a $ loss to all of this then time to throw it all out the window
 
2013-08-22 10:57:35 AM  

HenryFnord: Steve McQueen's Motorcycle: Ugh.  I need a new machine too.

Am you allowed to downgrade from 8 to 7?

No. There's no rollback path. You'd have to wipe and do a fresh install of Win 7.


You do realize they can do the same thing in Win 7 and have been able to do such things since XP right? This is not new. If you want security you go to Linux and learn to administer it yourself, if you want a convenient GUI you go to MS or Apple.
 
2013-08-22 10:58:10 AM  

GoldSpider: Can I assume that Apple computers/devices have this as well?


Yes.
 
2013-08-22 10:58:14 AM  

MightyPez: gja: MightyPez: MightyPez: Mad_Radhu: GoldSpider: Can I assume that Apple computers/devices have this as well?

Yeah, plus on the Apple side it is also used to prevent you from installing the OS on any x86 hardware you want.

From the article:

Apple phased out the surveillance chips in 2009.

The article is specifically referencing TPM. It was integrated in many Intel chipsets, but it never appeared to be activated with a proper driver in OS X.

It should be noted the lack of TPM made it difficult for certain encryption methods (such as BitLocker in Boot Camp) to work correctly.

Who cares? Bitlocker SUCKS.
TrueCrypt FTW.

The point was BitLocker specifically uses TPM for its encryption. If a device i lacking a TPM bitlocker won't work, so it's a good indicator if a TPM is present or not.

/TrueCrypt 10gb container housed on Dropbox
//PointSec full disk encryption at work


I was thinking that 400GB container is the best.  If the authorities ask you to open it up, say that it is Assange's 400GB insurance file (that was released the other day) and you don't have the key becuse he hasn't given it out.

/We need to persuade  him into release a smaller/portable version
 
2013-08-22 10:58:14 AM  

AdamK: so at what point do companies start dropping windows because it's to blame for corporate sabotage and spying? i mean governments love probing individual people but as soon as there's a $ loss to all of this then time to throw it all out the window


And replace it with what?

Linux is a joke and Apple is expensive as shiat, and not everyone can make a hackintosh

We're stuck with it
 
2013-08-22 11:00:59 AM  

WayToBlue: misanthropic1: jonr: I'm seriously starting to consider Linux. I don't play games much anymore, and my favorite is available on Linux anyway...  (getting tired of this shiat)

What's your fave open source game?

Nethack ftw!

/I'm actually guessing he'll say minecraft.


My bet is Battle for Wesnorth, but I remain curious.
 
2013-08-22 11:01:43 AM  

cman: AdamK: so at what point do companies start dropping windows because it's to blame for corporate sabotage and spying? i mean governments love probing individual people but as soon as there's a $ loss to all of this then time to throw it all out the window

And replace it with what?

Linux is a joke and Apple is expensive as shiat, and not everyone can make a hackintosh

We're stuck with it


Have you used in Linux distros latley? What's the joke about it? The majority of the web is running on it right now, along with about 1/3 1/2 smart phones.
 
2013-08-22 11:04:16 AM  

uber humper: cman: AdamK: so at what point do companies start dropping windows because it's to blame for corporate sabotage and spying? i mean governments love probing individual people but as soon as there's a $ loss to all of this then time to throw it all out the window

And replace it with what?

Linux is a joke and Apple is expensive as shiat, and not everyone can make a hackintosh

We're stuck with it

Have you used in Linux distros latley? What's the joke about it? The majority of the web is running on it right now, along with about 1/3 1/2 smart phones.


Yes I have used it recently. Its still a joke. Until Linux has uniformity then Linux will be a joke.

Android is based on Linux, but guess what? Its uniformity amongst devices, which can be problematic, isn't as bad as trying to fix an Ubuntu problem with instructions for Arch Linux.
 
2013-08-22 11:04:38 AM  
The only reason I need windows at all is to test with Internet Explorer. With IE usage steadily declining over the years to 20%-25% today, that reason gets less and less important. If it gets down to 5%, I can finally justify dumping this garbage completely. If any of my sites detect IE, I'll show them a page with download links to Firefox, Chrome, Safari, whatever. F*ck MS and their backdoors.
 
2013-08-22 11:04:38 AM  
farm3.staticflickr.com
 
2013-08-22 11:08:54 AM  

Pariah.: /Windows 7
//Fark Windows 8


So much this.  I thought Vista was good until I upgraded to 7, holy crap is it even better.

/Wants a 1 TB SSD
//Windows 7 will let me do that
///and it will be awesome
 
2013-08-22 11:11:09 AM  

uber humper: There is a learning curve, but if you have even the slightest DIY mindset you'll figure out how to figure things out pretty quickly.


I figured there would be something, its more a case of me just being lazy and not wanting to hear my wife biatch that the computer 'looks different'

I'll get there eventually
 
2013-08-22 11:11:17 AM  

NutWrench: Also, don't use Windows Bitlocker, unless you trust Microsoft not to have engineered a backdoor into it.

/use third party open-source encryption, instead.


Yeah, because a bunch of faceless people in the shadows would never do that either.
It's not like there could be class action lawsuits or bad publicity that could be directed against one entity.

/bunch of paranoid children
//article is full of "they could" or "what ifs", not actual practices
 
2013-08-22 11:13:25 AM  

cman: uber humper: cman: AdamK: so at what point do companies start dropping windows because it's to blame for corporate sabotage and spying? i mean governments love probing individual people but as soon as there's a $ loss to all of this then time to throw it all out the window

And replace it with what?

Linux is a joke and Apple is expensive as shiat, and not everyone can make a hackintosh

We're stuck with it

Have you used in Linux distros latley? What's the joke about it? The majority of the web is running on it right now, along with about 1/3 1/2 smart phones.

Yes I have used it recently. Its still a joke. Until Linux has uniformity then Linux will be a joke.

Android is based on Linux, but guess what? Its uniformity amongst devices, which can be problematic, isn't as bad as trying to fix an Ubuntu problem with instructions for Arch Linux.


If you NEED a click-and-drool, you better stick with OSX.

/Apps that a moron would use all have major distro specific instructions
//although, I did just had a hard time installing Scrivener on Fedora 64
 
2013-08-22 11:17:44 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: uber humper: There is a learning curve, but if you have even the slightest DIY mindset you'll figure out how to figure things out pretty quickly.

I figured there would be something, its more a case of me just being lazy and not wanting to hear my wife biatch that the computer 'looks different'

I'll get there eventually


Dual boot or have two boxes.

 If you have an old computer laying around, put it on that as a starter. IT dosen't need to be speedy.

On my desk I have 4 monitors and two computers.  One Windows 7 one Fedora.  I use a progam called Synergy than allows me to share a keyboard and mouse, over a network, between multiple computers.  I can take my mouse pointer and drag it accross four screens and two computers. Copy and paste also works.
 
2013-08-22 11:19:10 AM  

uber humper: Dual boot or have two boxes.

If you have an old computer laying around, put it on that as a starter. IT dosen't need to be speedy.

On my desk I have 4 monitors and two computers. One Windows 7 one Fedora. I use a progam called Synergy than allows me to share a keyboard and mouse, over a network, between multiple computers. I can take my mouse pointer and drag it accross four screens and two computers. Copy and paste also works.


I see that playon has a linux version as well.

Ohh well, I guess its time to get my ass in gear. I think I'll have time this weekend, assuming the 1 year old doesn't fark it up.
 
2013-08-22 11:20:48 AM  
I don't get the concern. I've been using Windows since the 286/386 days. I have NEVER known M$oft to do anything illegal, sneaky or underhanded. They've always been open and straightforward with their users and other software companies. Nary a lie from their lips, ever.

Paragons of Virtue. That should be M$soft's name.
 
2013-08-22 11:21:26 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: uber humper: Dual boot or have two boxes.

If you have an old computer laying around, put it on that as a starter. IT dosen't need to be speedy.

On my desk I have 4 monitors and two computers. One Windows 7 one Fedora. I use a progam called Synergy than allows me to share a keyboard and mouse, over a network, between multiple computers. I can take my mouse pointer and drag it accross four screens and two computers. Copy and paste also works.

I see that playon has a linux version as well.

Ohh well, I guess its time to get my ass in gear. I think I'll have time this weekend, assuming the 1 year old doesn't fark it up.


http://lifehacker.com/5993297/ubuntu-vs-mint-which-linux-distro-is-b et ter-for-beginners
 
2013-08-22 11:22:29 AM  
Seems legit.  I get all my tech news from Testosterone Pit
 
2013-08-22 11:22:41 AM  
It allows Microsoft to control the computer remotely through a built-in backdoor. Keys to that backdoor are likely accessible to the NSA - and in an unintended ironic twist, perhaps even to the Chinese. The backdoor is called "Trusted Computing," developed and promoted by the Trusted Computing Group, founded a decade ago by the all-American tech companies AMD, Cisco, Hewlett-Packard, IBM, Intel, Microsoft, and Wave Systems. Its core element is a chip, the Trusted Platform Module (TPM),


What in the everloving fark is going on in this country?!

Its purpose is Digital Rights Management and computer security.


Ah, of course. Protecting us from dangerous pirated content, for our own good. Carry on.
 
2013-08-22 11:22:44 AM  
cman:isn't as bad as trying to fix an Ubuntu problem with instructions for Arch Linux.

PEBKAC.


HTH.  HAND.
 
2013-08-22 11:24:35 AM  

uber humper: http://lifehacker.com/5993297/ubuntu-vs-mint-which-linux-distro-is-b et ter-for-beginners


Good link
 
2013-08-22 11:24:37 AM  

uber humper: cman: AdamK: so at what point do companies start dropping windows because it's to blame for corporate sabotage and spying? i mean governments love probing individual people but as soon as there's a $ loss to all of this then time to throw it all out the window

And replace it with what?

Linux is a joke and Apple is expensive as shiat, and not everyone can make a hackintosh

We're stuck with it

Have you used in Linux distros latley? What's the joke about it? The majority of the web is running on it right now, along with about 1/3 1/2 smart phones.


Let me guess, it's the Year of the Linux Desktop?
 
2013-08-22 11:25:02 AM  

cman: Yes I have used it recently. Its still a joke. Until Linux has uniformity then Linux will be a joke.


Such a joke, it has decades of track record.

HA HA!!!
 
2013-08-22 11:25:34 AM  
XP Pro -  that's the good stuff.
Actually, I should bite the bullet and see what Linux is all about and if it's more hassle than it's worth.
 
2013-08-22 11:29:31 AM  

mediablitz: cman: Yes I have used it recently. Its still a joke. Until Linux has uniformity then Linux will be a joke.

Such a joke, it has decades of track record.

HA HA!!!


Is 2014 gonna finally be the year of the Linux desktop?
 
2013-08-22 11:30:05 AM  

Whatthefark: I remember hearing about this with Windows 98\2000.




Yep, it took a while but it happened like many of us said.
 
2013-08-22 11:33:53 AM  

ampoliros: If they have to put "trusted" in the title, it probably shouldn't be trusted.


Well, you sure don't sound like a PATRIOT.
 
2013-08-22 11:35:18 AM  
What crap.  TPM is just an encryption/trust module. It doesn't magically open a back door to your PC.  Software interfaces with it for cryptographic functions and identity verification to protect data.  With or without it, you are at the mercy of any OS that runs on your box.  Microsoft can't do anything on your computer with TPM any more than it can do without it.
 
2013-08-22 11:35:27 AM  

GoldSpider: MightyPez: Apple phased out the surveillance chips in 2009.

Says someone with an obvious axe to grind with Microsoft.  I'd be less skeptical with some proof from a less biased source.

/Very seriously considering buying a Mac as my next desktop.


If you plan on gaming, don't but an iMac, Mac Mini, or laptop, and upgrade the video card. Even Civilization V runs like a pig on my i7 Mac Mini because the crappy Intel4000 graphics chip they put in all of those sucks balls. My PC, with its old core duo processor but with a cutting-edge 2009 video card flies in comparison.
 
2013-08-22 11:35:35 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: Whatthefark: I remember hearing about this with Windows 98\2000.

Yep, it took a while but it happened like many of us said.


Really? "It" happened? What exactly happened?

This article is fud.
 
2013-08-22 11:37:00 AM  

BigNumber12: It allows Microsoft to control the computer remotely through a built-in backdoor. Keys to that backdoor are likely accessible to the NSA - and in an unintended ironic twist, perhaps even to the Chinese. The backdoor is called "Trusted Computing," developed and promoted by the Trusted Computing Group, founded a decade ago by the all-American tech companies AMD, Cisco, Hewlett-Packard, IBM, Intel, Microsoft, and Wave Systems. Its core element is a chip, the Trusted Platform Module (TPM),


What in the everloving fark is going on in this country?!

Its purpose is Digital Rights Management and computer security.


Ah, of course. Protecting us from dangerous pirated content, for our own good. Carry on.


Yeah - no kidding.
 
2013-08-22 11:40:26 AM  

Aquapope: XP Pro -  that's the good stuff.
Actually, I should bite the bullet and see what Linux is all about and if it's more hassle than it's worth.


Jesus man, upgrade to SOMETHING! Vista is an improvement over XP at this point
 
2013-08-22 11:40:58 AM  

cman: mediablitz: cman: Yes I have used it recently. Its still a joke. Until Linux has uniformity then Linux will be a joke.

Such a joke, it has decades of track record.

HA HA!!!

Is 2014 gonna finally be the year of the Linux desktop?


AH HA HA!!! More "humor"!

What the fark do you care? Can you use it? Yep. Do I give a shiat if it is the predominant desktop platform? Nope.

Cry moar. You have no point.
 
2013-08-22 11:41:33 AM  

Molavian: uber humper: cman: AdamK: so at what point do companies start dropping windows because it's to blame for corporate sabotage and spying? i mean governments love probing individual people but as soon as there's a $ loss to all of this then time to throw it all out the window

And replace it with what?

Linux is a joke and Apple is expensive as shiat, and not everyone can make a hackintosh

We're stuck with it

Have you used in Linux distros latley? What's the joke about it? The majority of the web is running on it right now, along with about 1/3 1/2 smart phones.

Let me guess, it's the Year of the Linux Desktop?


No, we're past June, now '14 will be the year of the Linux Desktop
 
2013-08-22 11:43:18 AM  

uber humper: Molavian: uber humper: cman: AdamK: so at what point do companies start dropping windows because it's to blame for corporate sabotage and spying? i mean governments love probing individual people but as soon as there's a $ loss to all of this then time to throw it all out the window

And replace it with what?

Linux is a joke and Apple is expensive as shiat, and not everyone can make a hackintosh

We're stuck with it

Have you used in Linux distros latley? What's the joke about it? The majority of the web is running on it right now, along with about 1/3 1/2 smart phones.

Let me guess, it's the Year of the Linux Desktop?

No, we're past June, now '14 will be the year of the Linux Desktop


I don't get this. I have an XP box, a Win 7 box, and a Linux box. Why does Linux have to be the "cool thing!!!" before you can try it?

Are people seriously that caught up in fitting in?
 
2013-08-22 11:44:39 AM  

mediablitz: cman: mediablitz: cman: Yes I have used it recently. Its still a joke. Until Linux has uniformity then Linux will be a joke.

Such a joke, it has decades of track record.

HA HA!!!

Is 2014 gonna finally be the year of the Linux desktop?

AH HA HA!!! More "humor"!

What the fark do you care? Can you use it? Yep. Do I give a shiat if it is the predominant desktop platform? Nope.

Cry moar. You have no point.


You might not care, but your fellow Linux users do
 
2013-08-22 11:46:24 AM  
cman:

I am being serious when I say this: a Hackintosh is the best of everything

You don't have to worry about the security problems with Windows, and, OS X has a decent amount of games out there. WINE works very well. Not only that, Parallels, a virtual machine program hypervisor, is the best VM hypervisor out there out, period.


FTFY

And I run an Air with Parallels and love it. Boot the Win 7 VM when I need to, kill it when I don't.
 
2013-08-22 11:46:35 AM  

cman: When I think of serious news, I always go to sites that look worse than an Alex Jones ripoff


This. I'm sorry , but I just can't trust anything some firm in the EU says about Microsoft
 
2013-08-22 11:48:56 AM  

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: cman:

I am being serious when I say this: a Hackintosh is the best of everything

You don't have to worry about the security problems with Windows, and, OS X has a decent amount of games out there. WINE works very well. Not only that, Parallels, a virtual machine program hypervisor, is the best VM hypervisor out there out, period.

FTFY

And I run an Air with Parallels and love it. Boot the Win 7 VM when I need to, kill it when I don't.


Thank you for the correction

BTW, Parallels 9 is coming out in two weeks. Its gonna be $80. It may be worth it if the graphics improvement is significant
 
2013-08-22 11:49:38 AM  

WTFDYW: abboration


Is that like a cross between an abortion and an aberration? Seems to fit, actually.
 
2013-08-22 11:52:44 AM  
cman:

Thank you for the correction

BTW, Parallels 9 is coming out in two weeks. Its gonna be $80. It may be worth it if the graphics improvement is significant


Cool, thanks for the heads up. :)
 
2013-08-22 11:54:05 AM  

Driedsponge: It's crap like this that actually makes me believe that within my lifetime "the year of the linux desktop" will cease to be a myth


If your so called "average users" can't run W8 they will have major problems running Linux on a desktop.
/I have family members that are birdbrains when it come to computers, but have yet to hear questions about their W8 machines, other than "install a cracked copy of Office for me"
 
2013-08-22 12:01:01 PM  

vudukungfu: NutWrench: I'm really liking Kubuntu Linux. They make a version that you can install on a USB stick which you can boot off of, without making any changes to your computer. It also gives you an option at startup to install to your hard drive (either a complete OS replacement or a dual boot.)

how fast is it?


It boots from the disk as least as fast as Windows 7 (of course, booting from the USB stick will be much slower.) It recognized all my hardware and after it had been up for a while, downloaded a bunch of updates. It feels much more like Windows 7 than I was expecting. Utilities are grouped much better now. I remember a few years ago having to fiddle with 3-4 separate utilities, scattered all over the place, just to get the sound card working. I'm still a novice to Linux, so I didn't install any benchmarking software.
 
2013-08-22 12:01:53 PM  
good thing you didn't link one of the many reputable sites reporting this, and instead gave the us a link to someplace called testosteronepit.com.  i mean, when people want credible news and see some crap like businessinsider.com, they always think, "gee, this would seem a lot more reasonable if the site sounded like a url from dick enhancement spam."
 
2013-08-22 12:06:03 PM  

uber humper: Dual boot or have two boxes.


Or Virtual Machines.

I use VMs for Frankenstienian experiments with various OSes.

--
BMO
 
2013-08-22 12:06:14 PM  

NutWrench: It feels much more like Windows 7 than I was expecting.


I was thinking of wiping a laptop I have and starting from scratch as a project.
I've been playing with computers since 1969. so if I destroy something I don't mind.
My Motto: it's just a box on the floor.
 
2013-08-22 12:06:47 PM  
Windows has security holes? I'm shocked.
 
2013-08-22 12:07:14 PM  

mediablitz: uber humper: Molavian: uber humper: cman: AdamK: so at what point do companies start dropping windows because it's to blame for corporate sabotage and spying? i mean governments love probing individual people but as soon as there's a $ loss to all of this then time to throw it all out the window

And replace it with what?

Linux is a joke and Apple is expensive as shiat, and not everyone can make a hackintosh

We're stuck with it

Have you used in Linux distros latley? What's the joke about it? The majority of the web is running on it right now, along with about 1/3 1/2 smart phones.

Let me guess, it's the Year of the Linux Desktop?

No, we're past June, now '14 will be the year of the Linux Desktop

I don't get this. I have an XP box, a Win 7 box, and a Linux box. Why does Linux have to be the "cool thing!!!" before you can try it?

Are people seriously that caught up in fitting in?


I think part of it is fitting in.  But also people looking for social proof that something is viable.
 
2013-08-22 12:09:34 PM  
No one believes this tripe. It's impossible to write special code to cause other computers to access your computer. This whole conspiracy rests on the flimsy idea that there are 'hackers' out there who can do this kind of stuff. Microsoft writes great code and there is no way they or anyone else would be able to violate someone's privacy.

content.internetvideoarchive.com
 
2013-08-22 12:09:59 PM  

bubo_sibiricus: uber humper: Dual boot or have two boxes.

Or Virtual Machines.

I use VMs for Frankenstienian experiments with various OSes.

--
BMO


Good for making walkthough screencasts, too.  Can record the entire installation
 
2013-08-22 12:11:40 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: Arsten: Run tpmadmin.msc and click "Turn TPM Off" in the action list. You need the password (Check your owners manuals), but it disables the hardware. Some BIOSes have an option to turn it off.

I always figured there had to be a way to turn it off since there is also an option for it in group policy. If group policy can change it in an enterprise environment then it should be available to the home user as well, albeit through esoteric means at times.

uber humper: Switch to Linux is not a huge one, just do it.

I've been dragging my feet because I'm addicted to MechWarrior Online


Did you get in as a Founder? I absolutely love MWO!
 
2013-08-22 12:13:56 PM  

retro128: What crap.  TPM is just an encryption/trust module. It doesn't magically open a back door to your PC.  Software interfaces with it for cryptographic functions and identity verification to protect data.  With or without it, you are at the mercy of any OS that runs on your box.  Microsoft can't do anything on your computer with TPM any more than it can do without it.


A thousand times this.

The TPM spec is an open spec and their isn't a back door in the spec.  If some manufacturer were to put a back door in the TPM that would be something else, but that's not Microsoft because they don't make chips.
 
2013-08-22 12:14:37 PM  

stampylives: good thing you didn't link one of the many reputable sites reporting this, and instead gave the us a link to someplace called testosteronepit.com.  i mean, when people want credible news and see some crap like businessinsider.com, they always think, "gee, this would seem a lot more reasonable if the site sounded like a url from dick enhancement spam."


Yeah, how awful it is when you have to decide for yourself if something is true or not.
 
2013-08-22 12:22:20 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Why would we trust the Germans, they bombed Pearl Harbor.


THIS!
 
2013-08-22 12:25:37 PM  

stampylives: good thing you didn't link one of the many reputable sites reporting this, and instead gave the us a link to someplace called testosteronepit.com.  i mean, when people want credible news and see some crap like businessinsider.com, they always think, "gee, this would seem a lot more reasonable if the site sounded like a url from dick enhancement spam."


Well, to be fair, businessinsider.com is citing Testosterone Pit as their source, who is in turn citing Die Zeit.
 
2013-08-22 12:31:55 PM  

NateAsbestos: Aquapope: XP Pro -  that's the good stuff.
Actually, I should bite the bullet and see what Linux is all about and if it's more hassle than it's worth.

Jesus man, upgrade to SOMETHING! Vista is an improvement over XP at this point


NO.

Vista is NOT. It is a neverending exercise in frustration. No way, nohow. Windows 7? Yes. Vista? Not ever. I'd rather go back to Windows 98.
 
2013-08-22 12:33:15 PM  

uber humper: IdBeCrazyIf: uber humper: There is a learning curve, but if you have even the slightest DIY mindset you'll figure out how to figure things out pretty quickly.

I figured there would be something, its more a case of me just being lazy and not wanting to hear my wife biatch that the computer 'looks different'

I'll get there eventually

Dual boot or have two boxes.

 If you have an old computer laying around, put it on that as a starter. IT dosen't need to be speedy.

On my desk I have 4 monitors and two computers.  One Windows 7 one Fedora.  I use a progam called Synergy than allows me to share a keyboard and mouse, over a network, between multiple computers.  I can take my mouse pointer and drag it accross four screens and two computers. Copy and paste also works.


Good for you. And some of us still need Windows for compatibility with apps like Sharepoint and so on based on business requirements, and doing everything in a Windows install inside of a VM doesn't cut it.
 
2013-08-22 12:33:39 PM  
On my windows machines connected to the internet, I have long since just made the assumption that microsoft (and thus federal govt) has a way they could scan the registry, MRU lists, etc and see what's installed or recently used, recently watched, etc. Somehow it doesn't bother as much as it seems to bother most people here. If it happens I know it's just an automated server somewhere, not a person snickering at my taste in games or hulu content.
 
2013-08-22 12:39:35 PM  

skinink: lohphat: skinink: You're farked no matter what Windows OS you use. Unless you never heard of Patch Tuesdays used by Microsoft to plug all the holes they keep finding in all their operating systems. I doubt W7 is more secure from snooping than W8 is.

Are you saying that there are never any security fixes in any of the dozens of monthly module updates Linux distros post via yum and apt-get?

No, you brought up Linux. My only point had to deal with Windows and that all of their OSs are insecure. I know squat about Linux security/holes.


But you singled out WIndows as if it was unique that it had regular updates to address known issues as if it were a bad thing to do.
 
2013-08-22 12:43:42 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: On my windows machines connected to the internet, I have long since just made the assumption that microsoft (and thus federal govt) has a way they could scan the registry, MRU lists, etc and see what's installed or recently used, recently watched, etc. Somehow it doesn't bother as much as it seems to bother most people here. If it happens I know it's just an automated server somewhere, not a person snickering at my taste in games or hulu content.


Google knows your porn habits. Now would be a good time to stop searching for transvestite granny porn
 
2013-08-22 12:44:32 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: Arsten: Run tpmadmin.msc and click "Turn TPM Off" in the action list. You need the password (Check your owners manuals), but it disables the hardware. Some BIOSes have an option to turn it off.

I always figured there had to be a way to turn it off since there is also an option for it in group policy. If group policy can change it in an enterprise environment then it should be available to the home user as well, albeit through esoteric means at times.

uber humper: Switch to Linux is not a huge one, just do it.

I've been dragging my feet because I'm addicted to MechWarrior Online


What's your MWO handle? I'm megapoodle :)

I'm running it on a boot camp retina MBP, seems to work well enough for me to blast whoever needs it...
 
2013-08-22 12:45:29 PM  

Driedsponge: It's crap like this that actually makes me believe that within my lifetime "the year of the linux desktop" will cease to be a myth.  It's very difficult for the rest of the world to justify using MS software when they are handing the keys to your endpoints directly to the US government.  Especially when the rules specifically allow the NSA to spy on foreign systems at will.

It's also stuff like this that makes me very angry that Autodesk Production Suite does not support anything but Windows.  I'd have ditched MS in my entire office after XP if we could get a decent modeling software in Linux.


It's been a few years since I've used Autodesk products, but I was under the impression they were offering Mac versions of their software now. It's not Linux, but at least it's now windows...

/I'd love to have Solidworks in Linux but I'm guessing it'll be a cold day in hell before that happens.
 
2013-08-22 12:47:07 PM  
It's FUD season!
i18.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-22 12:51:04 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: ampoliros: If they have to put "trusted" in the title, it probably shouldn't be trusted.

Well, you sure don't sound like a PATRIOT.


Well, you don't have to RAM your ideals down our throats.  Now excuse me while I go play some DDR.

/...that is the pun, right?
 
2013-08-22 12:56:43 PM  

Kit Fister: Good for you. And some of us still need Windows for compatibility with apps like Sharepoint and so on based on business requirements, and doing everything in a Windows install inside of a VM doesn't cut it.


www.stanford.edu
 
2013-08-22 12:58:55 PM  
This is about TPM 2.0, which won't really be in place until 2015 - although some companies will implement it early. And you won't be able to turn it off, and it is a backdoor...although they pinky swear it will only be used for good.

/I don't blame the Germans for warning their agencies to avoid Win 8. This is almost as bad as root kits on audio cds.
 
2013-08-22 01:08:59 PM  

Kit Fister: uber humper: IdBeCrazyIf: uber humper: There is a learning curve, but if you have even the slightest DIY mindset you'll figure out how to figure things out pretty quickly.

I figured there would be something, its more a case of me just being lazy and not wanting to hear my wife biatch that the computer 'looks different'

I'll get there eventually

Dual boot or have two boxes.

 If you have an old computer laying around, put it on that as a starter. IT dosen't need to be speedy.

On my desk I have 4 monitors and two computers.  One Windows 7 one Fedora.  I use a progam called Synergy than allows me to share a keyboard and mouse, over a network, between multiple computers.  I can take my mouse pointer and drag it accross four screens and two computers. Copy and paste also works.

Good for you. And some of us still need Windows for compatibility with apps like Sharepoint and so on based on business requirements, and doing everything in a Windows install inside of a VM doesn't cut it.


He's saying in scenario just for *trying* it. Personally, I've had to run Photoshop and a few other Windows programs at work for like 3 years now. I do it all in a virtual machine on Linux and it's literally as painless as having another window open that runs a Windows session. It's not slow or clumsy, I just open the save state and work on things. The wonderful thing is, I can move that virtual machine to any comptuer I want. I upgraded to a new laptop and just copied over my virtual machine. No having to reconfigure my custom environment, just boot it up and go, regardless of the host OS.
 
2013-08-22 01:24:15 PM  

Pilotgeek: He's saying in scenario just for *trying* it. Personally, I've had to run Photoshop and a few other Windows programs at work for like 3 years now. I do it all in a virtual machine on Linux and it's literally as painless as having another window open that runs a Windows session. It's not slow or clumsy, I just open the save state and work on things. The wonderful thing is, I can move that virtual machine to any comptuer I want. I upgraded to a new laptop and just copied over my virtual machine. No having to reconfigure my custom environment, just boot it up and go, regardless of the host OS.


That works well, except again, i need interoperability with Sharepoint, the full MS Suite, extensive use of Exchange and AD type stuff, and the plugins/interop with Webex which doesn't as of now work on Linux.

So, at least for me, I'd end up installing Linux, then doing everything in a VM I was doing bare metal before. Plus, I'd have to find a way to get games to run on Linux...
 
2013-08-22 01:25:06 PM  
 
2013-08-22 01:37:08 PM  

Sock Ruh Tease: Testosterone Pit sounds like a great name for a strip club.


Sounds more like a gay leather bar.
 
2013-08-22 01:38:25 PM  

jigger: Sock Ruh Tease: Testosterone Pit sounds like a great name for a strip club.

Sounds more like a gay leather bar.


why not both?
 
2013-08-22 01:39:10 PM  

Private_Citizen: This is about TPM 2.0, which won't really be in place until 2015 - although some companies will implement it early. And you won't be able to turn it off, and it is a backdoor...although they pinky swear it will only be used for good.

/I don't blame the Germans for warning their agencies to avoid Win 8. This is almost as bad as root kits on audio cds.


Not that I don't trust your word, but can you explain how TPM 2.0 is a back door?
 
2013-08-22 01:42:59 PM  
Oh, for the love of all things loveable.

Not only is the article wrong about how TPM works, as several others have pointed out, it's also wrong about how Windows 8 works.

Windows 8 -- the OS for x86/x64 PCs -- does not use TPM in this way. TPM is not forced on by default, and if it's on, you can turn it off.

Windows RT -- the Windows version used on the cheaper Surface tablets and on a few third-party tablets -- forces TPM on, and forces everything to go through Microsoft.

So, yes, if you're concerned about Microsoft having total control over your PC, then don't buy a Surface tablet, which comes from Microsoft and gets all its apps through the Microsoft store. This is not exactly rocket surgery.
 
2013-08-22 01:58:22 PM  

misanthropic1: WayToBlue: misanthropic1: jonr: I'm seriously starting to consider Linux. I don't play games much anymore, and my favorite is available on Linux anyway...  (getting tired of this shiat)

What's your fave open source game?

Nethack ftw!

/I'm actually guessing he'll say minecraft.

My bet is Battle for Wesnorth, but I remain curious.


What's wrong with http://sauerbraten.org/ ?
 
2013-08-22 02:02:40 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: Private_Citizen: This is about TPM 2.0, which won't really be in place until 2015 - although some companies will implement it early. And you won't be able to turn it off, and it is a backdoor...although they pinky swear it will only be used for good.

/I don't blame the Germans for warning their agencies to avoid Win 8. This is almost as bad as root kits on audio cds.

Not that I don't trust your word, but can you explain how TPM 2.0 is a back door?


From the trusted computing foundation on why they updated the specs:

...the authorization mechanisms in TPM 1.2 did not provide sufficient flexibility for certain applications, prompting a push to include enhanced authorization in TPM 2.0 .The new secification also adds some additional functionality and capabilities.

Furthermore TCP 2.0 provides for:

...enhanced authorization: support for very flexible and fine-grained control over how and when TPM-protected data and keys can be accessed.

And that's from the faq. When the Germans looked over the detailed specs, that's when they issued the warning.
 
2013-08-22 02:13:45 PM  
The UFIA secutiy chip on the motherboard is a bad thing.

Don't buy an OEM board from HP(horse piss) or Dell(shiatty capacitors) or any other already windows installed systems.

But a board from newegg or any other parts supplier, so you can turn off UFIA without needing to hack your OEM board to turn off UFIA which is password key locked by the OEM Corporation. Then install/run Linux.

/UFIA: unsolicited finger in anus.
//Its a Fark tradition.
 
2013-08-22 02:20:05 PM  
Private_Citizen

This is about TPM 2.0, which won't really be in place until 2015 - although some companies will implement it early. And you won't be able to turn it off, and it is a backdoor...although they pinky swear it will only be used for good.

/I don't blame the Germans for warning their agencies to avoid Win 8. This is almost as bad as root kits on audio cds.


[Citation needed]
 
2013-08-22 02:25:50 PM  

sheep snorter: The UFIA secutiy chip on the motherboard is a bad thing.

Don't buy an OEM board from HP(horse piss) or Dell(shiatty capacitors) or any other already windows installed systems.

But a board from newegg or any other parts supplier, so you can turn off UFIA without needing to hack your OEM board to turn off UFIA which is password key locked by the OEM Corporation. Then install/run Linux.

/UFIA: unsolicited finger in anus.
//Its a Fark tradition.


What do you know about Fark traditions, newb?
 
2013-08-22 02:27:07 PM  

Private_Citizen: Mr. Eugenides: Private_Citizen: This is about TPM 2.0, which won't really be in place until 2015 - although some companies will implement it early. And you won't be able to turn it off, and it is a backdoor...although they pinky swear it will only be used for good.

/I don't blame the Germans for warning their agencies to avoid Win 8. This is almost as bad as root kits on audio cds.

Not that I don't trust your word, but can you explain how TPM 2.0 is a back door?

From the trusted computing foundation on why they updated the specs:

...the authorization mechanisms in TPM 1.2 did not provide sufficient flexibility for certain applications, prompting a push to include enhanced authorization in TPM 2.0 .The new secification also adds some additional functionality and capabilities.

Furthermore TCP 2.0 provides for:

...enhanced authorization: support for very flexible and fine-grained control over how and when TPM-protected data and keys can be accessed.

And that's from the faq. When the Germans looked over the detailed specs, that's when they issued the warning.


Still waiting for an answer as to why TPM 2.0 is a back door.  "Fine grained control" != "back door."
 
2013-08-22 02:36:29 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: Still waiting for an answer as to why TPM 2.0 is a back door. "Fine grained control" != "back door."


You mean, aside from the fact that the TPM functionality in windows 8 can be activated by and controlled by microsoft without the consent of the user?
 
2013-08-22 02:49:39 PM  

WTFDYW: HAd to purchase a new computer. Windows7 install would have cost me a bunch more money. Went ahead and bit Windows8 figuring I'd get used to it.

I did not get used to it. It blows dog. I will NEVER like this shiat.


Some computer repair shops take serial keys off of broken PCs that were never registered and sell them to key vendors online. It's totally legal, and is how I got my copy of Windows 7 Ultimate for $25. Unfortunately the site I bought from is no longer in business and many of these new ones look questionable.
 
2013-08-22 03:11:39 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Why would we trust the Germans, they bombed Pearl Harbor.


... Damn you
 
2013-08-22 03:28:46 PM  
If, for some reason, someone is interested in checking out Winodows 8.1, the developer preview will remain active untill January.
 
2013-08-22 03:37:04 PM  

WTFDYW: HAd to purchase a new computer. Windows7 install would have cost me a bunch more money. Went ahead and bit Windows8 figuring I'd get used to it.

I did not get used to it. It blows dog. I will NEVER like this shiat.


It's like it was designed to convert everyone into a casual user. Consume more, use less.
 
2013-08-22 03:58:38 PM  

Driedsponge: It's crap like this that actually makes me believe that within my lifetime "the year of the linux desktop" will cease to be a myth.  It's very difficult for the rest of the world to justify using MS software when they are handing the keys to your endpoints directly to the US government.  Especially when the rules specifically allow the NSA to spy on foreign systems at will.

It's also stuff like this that makes me very angry that Autodesk Production Suite does not support anything but Windows.  I'd have ditched MS in my entire office after XP if we could get a decent modeling software in Linux.


Likewise, the only reason I keep XP around is because it runs Solidworks and Linux won't.

I've been messing around with Fedora since it's 4'th release, so I've been getting a kick not having to mess with Windows.
 
2013-08-22 04:04:58 PM  
I just started using Windows 8 last week. I want to straight-up murder someone (preferably our IT guy, but anyone will do, really).

Question:  How do I get Adobe reader to just take up half the damn screen at a time? And how do I pin it to the farking task bar?
 
2013-08-22 04:17:43 PM  
I remember when Intel began this offensive offensive, in 1995 when they supported the Clipper chip. That was the reason I started using AMD. But now that they have the manufacturers like Asus, etc in their pocket, I guess we now have to run our virtual machines off big flash drives running on a souped-up Raspberry Pi, Lo-Tech style.

It's an interesting sociopolitical demonstration of societal control: we're literally living through the marginalization of personal freedom. Oh well, anyhoo, I have to catch a plane to Sweden in 26 minutes. Mmmmmbuh-bye.
 
2013-08-22 04:24:26 PM  
Hey, guys. Remember that time NASDAQ crashed? They should switch to Linux.

/What?
 
2013-08-22 04:35:23 PM  

ReverendJynxed: It's like it was designed to convert everyone into a casual user. Consume more, use less.


Actually, I like the start screen better than the start menu. How, you ask? here's how:

1. Install Start8 and configure it so that it shows a windows  icon for the start screen that can be right-clicked on, set it to auto-go to the desktop on login, and configure right-click-on-windows-button to show the same advanced commands as Win+C.

2. Clean all of the metro crap out of the start screen, and replace with columns that include commonly accessed .msc functions, computer folders and locations, control panels (you can pin things like programs and features and network locations directly to the start screen) and other system function items right there, along with a list of apps you want to be able to access easily.

3. Map Ctrl+Space to go directly to the Windows app search function -- quick launcher feature.

4. Build batch scripts to replace or add functionality -- I've added batch scripts into icons that do start, restart, log off, sleep, refresh IP address, mount network volumes, and other tedious multi-click-and-type tasks (including a quick launch command to open an Admin shell or pop open a putty session and connect to a remote server as needed).

5. Add most common apps to task bar itself for quick access.

Done and done. Everything I could do with a start menu before, I can do now with it, and it's organized in the way that I like, and has much less need to drill through it. Hell, it's the same as OS X 10.8, really, with its launchpad functionality. Except if i really want to, my "launch pad" can include active apps that show calendar information, email, the weather, and other pertinent information.

Frankly, the start menu sucks balls. And, while i'm on the topic, having each window as a separate task rather than having them bundled so I can easily quit an application and close all of its ancillary windows, is retarded.

And, how the hell do you kill a full-screen app that's dead and won't let the task manager show up on screen to kill it?
 
2013-08-22 04:35:53 PM  

washington-babylon: Did you get in as a Founder? I absolutely love MWO!


I wish. I do have a totally biatching bad ass Atlas though that I've finally earned enough to customize the perfect load out

...and a hula girl on the dash, because when my guas rifle is turning your mech into hot liquid metal likely burning your pilot alive inside I want to think of the beaches
 
2013-08-22 04:48:39 PM  

technoblogical: Hey, guys. Remember that time NASDAQ crashed? They should switch to Linux.

/What?


Someone already said that. We ignored it then, too.
 
2013-08-22 04:54:17 PM  

Kit Fister: ReverendJynxed: It's like it was designed to convert everyone into a casual user. Consume more, use less.

Actually, I like the start screen better than the start menu. How, you ask? here's how:

1. Install Start8 and configure it so that it shows a windows  icon for the start screen that can be right-clicked on, set it to auto-go to the desktop on login, and configure right-click-on-windows-button to show the same advanced commands as Win+C.

2. Clean all of the metro crap out of the start screen, and replace with columns that include commonly accessed .msc functions, computer folders and locations, control panels (you can pin things like programs and features and network locations directly to the start screen) and other system function items right there, along with a list of apps you want to be able to access easily.

3. Map Ctrl+Space to go directly to the Windows app search function -- quick launcher feature.

4. Build batch scripts to replace or add functionality -- I've added batch scripts into icons that do start, restart, log off, sleep, refresh IP address, mount network volumes, and other tedious multi-click-and-type tasks (including a quick launch command to open an Admin shell or pop open a putty session and connect to a remote server as needed).

5. Add most common apps to task bar itself for quick access.

Done and done. Everything I could do with a start menu before, I can do now with it, and it's organized in the way that I like, and has much less need to drill through it. Hell, it's the same as OS X 10.8, really, with its launchpad functionality. Except if i really want to, my "launch pad" can include active apps that show calendar information, email, the weather, and other pertinent information.

Frankly, the start menu sucks balls. And, while i'm on the topic, having each window as a separate task rather than having them bundled so I can easily quit an application and close all of its ancillary windows, is retarded.

And, how the hell do you kill a ...


Actually, that's a pretty neat idea, I'm gonna try that.

The problem with your brilliant plan completely ignores the fact that almost everyone who has used Windows will have no idea what you're talking about.

If you have a mom/dad/grandma who just got a Win8 "puter",  install ClassicShell.
 
2013-08-22 05:14:30 PM  

peterthx: NutWrench: Also, don't use Windows Bitlocker, unless you trust Microsoft not to have engineered a backdoor into it.

/use third party open-source encryption, instead.

Yeah, because a bunch of faceless people in the shadows would never do that either.
It's not like there could be class action lawsuits or bad publicity that could be directed against one entity.

/bunch of paranoid children
//article is full of "they could" or "what ifs", not actual practices


Here's the thing, though- those "faceless people in the shadows" have to show us the program they've written. The SOURCE code that makes it run is OPEN to everyone.

Now, I don't know if you've spent much time around geeks, so you may not know this, but they like to seem smarter than other geeks. So, if your hypothetical "faceless person" wrote a backdoor exploit into an open source program, there would be a race to see who'd be the first to point it out.

Peer review's a thing. And it tends to work rather well.
 
2013-08-22 05:15:25 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: washington-babylon: Did you get in as a Founder? I absolutely love MWO!

I wish. I do have a totally biatching bad ass Atlas though that I've finally earned enough to customize the perfect load out

...and a hula girl on the dash, because when my guas rifle is turning your mech into hot liquid metal likely burning your pilot alive inside I want to think of the beaches


I went with the Atlas (was there ever any other choice?) for my founder reward. I get chills every time I play.
 
2013-08-22 05:38:21 PM  
win7 and daz loader
 
2013-08-22 10:20:59 PM  

WayToBlue: StoPPeRmobile: Whatthefark: I remember hearing about this with Windows 98\2000.

Yep, it took a while but it happened like many of us said.

Really? "It" happened? What exactly happened?

This article is fud.




You. You happened, sucking at your lord's tit.
 
2013-08-23 01:12:12 AM  

Mr_Fabulous: I just started using Windows 8 last week. I want to straight-up murder someone (preferably our IT guy, but anyone will do, really).

Question:  How do I get Adobe reader to just take up half the damn screen at a time? And how do I pin it to the farking task bar?


Install the desktop version from the Adobe web site. If you stay far away from the Windows App Store and get apps the old fashioned way, they will work like they always have. If you are not on a touchscreen device, you don't want to mess with any of the Start Screen apps anyway, because the basically suck with a mouse and keyboard (for example to close them you have to click them at the top and then drag down, simulating a downward swipe on a touch screen),
 
2013-08-23 03:50:38 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: WayToBlue: StoPPeRmobile: Whatthefark: I remember hearing about this with Windows 98\2000.

Yep, it took a while but it happened like many of us said.

Really? "It" happened? What exactly happened?

This article is fud.

You. You happened, sucking at your lord's tit.


Oh dear. You don't even know why you're excited, do you?

Can you relay even the slightest notion of what you're whining about?
 
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