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(Some Guy)   What do Microsoft, the NSA and the Chinese have in common? If you're using Win 8, the answer may be closer than you think   (testosteronepit.com) divider line 172
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2013-08-22 08:29:34 AM
Another reason for me to f*cking hate thate abboration of an OS
 
2013-08-22 09:31:24 AM
Thank god I only use my Windows 8 machine for Hentai and German Scheiße porn.

Bring it on surveillance state!
 
2013-08-22 09:31:34 AM
Testosterone Pit sounds like a great name for a strip club.
 
2013-08-22 09:31:54 AM
Anyone who is surprised please raise your left hand.
 
2013-08-22 09:32:25 AM
Also, don't use Windows Bitlocker, unless you trust Microsoft not to have engineered a backdoor into it.

/use third party open-source encryption, instead.
 
2013-08-22 09:32:53 AM
Ugh.  I need a new machine too.

Am you allowed to downgrade from 8 to 7?
 
2013-08-22 09:33:29 AM

Steve McQueen's Motorcycle: Ugh.  I need a new machine too.

Am you allowed to downgrade from 8 to 7?


Am????
 
2013-08-22 09:33:41 AM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-08-22 09:33:59 AM
Everyone does realize that this trusted platform has existed since Vista correct?
 
2013-08-22 09:35:08 AM

Steve McQueen's Motorcycle: Ugh.  I need a new machine too.

Am you allowed to downgrade from 8 to 7?


No. There's no rollback path. You'd have to wipe and do a fresh install of Win 7.
 
2013-08-22 09:35:13 AM
Why would we trust the Germans, they bombed Pearl Harbor.
 
2013-08-22 09:36:18 AM
Wish this article had more info on what kind of hardware has the physical chip, over what time frames.

/Windows 7
//Fark Windows 8
 
2013-08-22 09:37:06 AM
Hey guys, what's going on?
/posted from Linux
 
2013-08-22 09:38:22 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: Everyone does realize that this trusted platform has existed since Vista correct?


Except you could turn it off before the failed abortion that is 8.
 
2013-08-22 09:40:13 AM
Don't fret precious I'm here
 
2013-08-22 09:40:33 AM
Can I assume that Apple computers/devices have this as well?
 
2013-08-22 09:41:44 AM
I'm really liking Kubuntu Linux. They make a version that you can install on a USB stick which you can boot off of, without making any changes to your computer. It also gives you an option at startup to install to your hard drive (either a complete OS replacement or a dual boot.)
 
2013-08-22 09:44:26 AM
HAd to purchase a new computer. Windows7 install would have cost me a bunch more money. Went ahead and bit Windows8 figuring I'd get used to it.

I did not get used to it. It blows dog. I will NEVER like this shiat.
 
2013-08-22 09:46:23 AM
Windows 2000 had the same abilities, but was only beaming back your software info. I wasn't under the impression MS ever gave up on the concept.
 
2013-08-22 09:47:29 AM

Steve McQueen's Motorcycle: Steve McQueen's Motorcycle: Ugh.  I need a new machine too.

Am you allowed to downgrade from 8 to 7?

Am????


Not AM as in Allied Mastercomputer, AM as in cognito ergo sum- I think therefore I AM.
 
2013-08-22 09:49:17 AM

sno man: IdBeCrazyIf: Everyone does realize that this trusted platform has existed since Vista correct?

Except you could turn it off before the failed abortion that is 8.


I haven't looked but I was under the impression that it is enabled by default but can if needed still be disabled since in rare instances you could brick your motherboard using it.
 
2013-08-22 09:50:04 AM
*sigh* well, I know what i'm doing this weekend.

/I can run most of the crap I need to in a VM on linux...
 
2013-08-22 09:50:20 AM

WTFDYW: HAd to purchase a new computer. Windows7 install would have cost me a bunch more money. Went ahead and bit Windows8 figuring I'd get used to it.

I did not get used to it. It blows dog. I will NEVER like this shiat.


classicshell.net

You're welcome.
 
2013-08-22 09:50:47 AM

GoldSpider: Can I assume that Apple computers/devices have this as well?


Yeah, plus on the Apple side it is also used to prevent you from installing the OS on any x86 hardware you want.
 
2013-08-22 09:51:59 AM

NutWrench: They make a version that you can install on a USB stick which you can boot off of, without making any changes to your computer.


When one of my disks died, the one with the OS on it, rather than buying a new HDD, I picked up an 8GB thumbdrive for 5 bucks and put a full installation on it.  It wasn't a "live image" - it was a normal install to the thumbdrive rather than to /dev/sda.

I ran things like that for 2 years.  It worked fine.

I wouldn't even attempt to do that with Windows.

--
BMO
 
2013-08-22 09:57:23 AM

Mad_Radhu: GoldSpider: Can I assume that Apple computers/devices have this as well?

Yeah, plus on the Apple side it is also used to prevent you from installing the OS on any x86 hardware you want.


From the article:

Apple phased out the surveillance chips in 2009.

The article is specifically referencing TPM. It was integrated in many Intel chipsets, but it never appeared to be activated with a proper driver in OS X.
 
2013-08-22 09:57:57 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: sno man: IdBeCrazyIf: Everyone does realize that this trusted platform has existed since Vista correct?

Except you could turn it off before the failed abortion that is 8.

I haven't looked but I was under the impression that it is enabled by default but can if needed still be disabled since in rare instances you could brick your motherboard using it.


I'm no expert, but do have a fair bit of experience with various versions of windows and I haven't found the off switch yet...
 
2013-08-22 09:58:58 AM
If you have Windows 8, get Classic Shell or Start 8 and that takes 90% of the BS away.  If you have a touch pad disable the swipe nonsense too.

With Start8 and Classic Shell you boot to the desktop and skip all of that Metro stuff.
 
2013-08-22 09:59:01 AM

Mad_Radhu: GoldSpider: Can I assume that Apple computers/devices have this as well?

Yeah, plus on the Apple side it is also used to prevent you from installing the OS on any x86 hardware you want.


TFA:  Apple phased out the surveillance chips in 2009. Linux doesn't comply with the standards, and Linux machines cannot use the technology.

Looks like Apple doesn't use them anymore.
 
2013-08-22 09:59:15 AM

MightyPez: Mad_Radhu: GoldSpider: Can I assume that Apple computers/devices have this as well?

Yeah, plus on the Apple side it is also used to prevent you from installing the OS on any x86 hardware you want.

From the article:

Apple phased out the surveillance chips in 2009.

The article is specifically referencing TPM. It was integrated in many Intel chipsets, but it never appeared to be activated with a proper driver in OS X.


It should be noted the lack of TPM made it difficult for certain encryption methods (such as BitLocker in Boot Camp) to work correctly.
 
2013-08-22 09:59:19 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: Everyone does realize that this trusted platform has existed since Vista correct?


I know trusted installer has. And if you delete that you are in a world of hurt if you don't have a backup.

ANYWAYS, fark that shiat. Fedora FTW. Switch to Linux is not a huge one, just do it.

And use owncloud if you need your files in the tubes.

The only way to get this to stop is to make circumvention common
 
2013-08-22 09:59:37 AM
Boy are they going to be disappointed when they find out Linux and other open software are making use of TPM.
 
2013-08-22 10:00:44 AM

oh_please: WTFDYW: HAd to purchase a new computer. Windows7 install would have cost me a bunch more money. Went ahead and bit Windows8 figuring I'd get used to it.

I did not get used to it. It blows dog. I will NEVER like this shiat.

classicshell.net

You're welcome.


It doesn't excuse Microsoft, but this solution is so farking simple I want to slap people who still complain.
 
2013-08-22 10:01:39 AM
I'm seriously starting to consider Linux. I don't play games much anymore, and my favorite is available on Linux anyway...  (getting tired of this shiat)
 
2013-08-22 10:01:56 AM

sno man: IdBeCrazyIf: sno man: IdBeCrazyIf: Everyone does realize that this trusted platform has existed since Vista correct?

Except you could turn it off before the failed abortion that is 8.

I haven't looked but I was under the impression that it is enabled by default but can if needed still be disabled since in rare instances you could brick your motherboard using it.

I'm no expert, but do have a fair bit of experience with various versions of windows and I haven't found the off switch yet...


Run tpmadmin.msc and click "Turn TPM Off" in the action list. You need the password (Check your owners manuals), but it disables the hardware. Some BIOSes have an option to turn it off.
 
2013-08-22 10:03:19 AM

MightyPez: Apple phased out the surveillance chips in 2009.


Says someone with an obvious axe to grind with Microsoft.  I'd be less skeptical with some proof from a less biased source.

/Very seriously considering buying a Mac as my next desktop.
 
2013-08-22 10:03:36 AM
You're farked no matter what Windows OS you use. Unless you never heard of Patch Tuesdays used by Microsoft to plug all the holes they keep finding in all their operating systems. I doubt W7 is more secure from snooping than W8 is.
 
2013-08-22 10:09:39 AM

GoldSpider: MightyPez: Apple phased out the surveillance chips in 2009.

Says someone with an obvious axe to grind with Microsoft.  I'd be less skeptical with some proof from a less biased source.

/Very seriously considering buying a Mac as my next desktop.


So go look it up. There are plenty of other sources (The OSx86 community is a good one) that specifically says OS X, and by extension, Apple hardware lack support for TPM chips. In fact, get your hands on a Mac and type:

ioreg | grep TPM

You can check and see if TPM is on the computer. Again, services like BitLocker in BootCamp needed specific hacks to get around the lack of TPM.
 
2013-08-22 10:09:51 AM
It's crap like this that actually makes me believe that within my lifetime "the year of the linux desktop" will cease to be a myth.  It's very difficult for the rest of the world to justify using MS software when they are handing the keys to your endpoints directly to the US government.  Especially when the rules specifically allow the NSA to spy on foreign systems at will.

It's also stuff like this that makes me very angry that Autodesk Production Suite does not support anything but Windows.  I'd have ditched MS in my entire office after XP if we could get a decent modeling software in Linux.
 
2013-08-22 10:12:12 AM

Intrepid00: Boy are they going to be disappointed when they find out Linux and other open software are making use of TPM.


Thanks. I never read about it. I'm getting an education today.
 
2013-08-22 10:12:26 AM
I remember hearing about this with Windows 98\2000.
 
2013-08-22 10:21:17 AM
Good thing nobody's running Windows 8, then.
 
2013-08-22 10:21:40 AM

Arsten: Run tpmadmin.msc and click "Turn TPM Off" in the action list. You need the password (Check your owners manuals), but it disables the hardware. Some BIOSes have an option to turn it off.


I always figured there had to be a way to turn it off since there is also an option for it in group policy. If group policy can change it in an enterprise environment then it should be available to the home user as well, albeit through esoteric means at times.

uber humper: Switch to Linux is not a huge one, just do it.


I've been dragging my feet because I'm addicted to MechWarrior Online
 
2013-08-22 10:22:03 AM

skinink: You're farked no matter what Windows OS you use. Unless you never heard of Patch Tuesdays used by Microsoft to plug all the holes they keep finding in all their operating systems. I doubt W7 is more secure from snooping than W8 is.


Are you saying that there are never any security fixes in any of the dozens of monthly module updates Linux distros post via yum and apt-get?
 
2013-08-22 10:22:10 AM
What's funny is, in China and Russia, you are not allowed to import PC's with a TPM chip. We had to ship all of our employees USB thumb drives in order for them to use BitLocker. This is all WIN7, we haven't considered rolling out WIN 8.

Going to have to check my wife's new laptop and see if it is running TPM 2.0. Man, there has got to be a way to disable it in the BIOS
 
2013-08-22 10:23:05 AM
I keep looking for reasons to abandon Win 8.

Desktop: Win 7 Pro / Linux Mint 15
Laptop 1 : Win 7 Home
Laptop 2 : Win 8 Home

/ as long as I maintain Win 7 in some form or fashion, I can generally make Mint do whatever needs do'n.
 
2013-08-22 10:28:13 AM

HenryFnord: Steve McQueen's Motorcycle: Ugh.  I need a new machine too.

Am you allowed to downgrade from 8 to 7?

No. There's no rollback path. You'd have to wipe and do a fresh install of Win 7.


Yes but your key should still work. That's why I bought 8 vs. 7 a few months ago as 7 was about twice the price, but you could downgrade with your Wiin8 key. I gave Win8 a shot, but just couldn't get used to it. Been too lazy to change it back since I normally boot that box into Ubuntu anyway.
 
2013-08-22 10:28:33 AM

Go Fornicate Without a Partner: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 320x240]


My MIL has a sign with a similar saying at the back door of their house which is really the only way to get in.  She really is a nice person, so I haven't had the heart to say anything about it.  Just snicker when I walk in and say hi.

/FIL is named Bruce
//been almost 25 years and so far I haven't once said "G'day!"
///yay me
 
2013-08-22 10:30:09 AM
TPM chips can be disabled in the BIOS of every computer that I have encountered.

We just did a full deploy of Bitlocker on our site and a lot of the time the TPM's were not only disabled by default but needed a BIOS upgrade just to get working.

That said, I expect all newer laptops will have them working by default.
 
2013-08-22 10:31:04 AM

WTFDYW: HAd to purchase a new computer. Windows7 install would have cost me a bunch more money. Went ahead and bit Windows8 figuring I'd get used to it.

I did not get used to it. It blows dog. I will NEVER like this shiat.


This.  I've read articles saying that it works decently for touchscreen devices, but trying to actually do work with it has been the most aggrevating computing experience that I've ever had.
 
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