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2013-08-22 09:03:03 AM
And I thought I told you to trim those sideburns!
 
2013-08-22 09:05:42 AM
Well, it wouldn't have been Steinbrenner back in 1991. He was banned.

/not that it probably stopped him from doing anything behind the scenes.
//yeah, the late 80's early 90's Yankees kinda stunk.
 
2013-08-22 09:09:13 AM
The Yankees are incredibly poorly managed in a bunch of ways. They'd be in serious trouble in a league with a hard cap.
 
2013-08-22 09:10:29 AM
Shut up, Hal. The Yankees have done quite well in the draft and international signings since Cashman was allowed to take back over the team in 2009.
 
2013-08-22 09:12:15 AM
It's going to be hilarious when the Yankees gut the farm yet again in a couple years to trade for a 32 year old Miguel Cabrera so they can sign him to a 10 year/$215m deal.
 
2013-08-22 09:14:50 AM

jayhawk88: It's going to be hilarious when the Yankees gut the farm yet again in a couple years to trade for a 32 year old Miguel Cabrera so they can sign him to a 10 year/$215m deal.


Good luck grabbing Cabby. If the Tigers don't sign him for a good long contract, i'm done with this team.
 
2013-08-22 09:15:33 AM

the biggest redneck here: The Yankees are incredibly poorly managed in a bunch of ways. They'd be in serious trouble in a league with a hard cap.


This statement is funny because Girardi has a good shot at winning Manager of the Year and Cashman GM of the Year.
 
2013-08-22 09:28:47 AM

usttsdw: jayhawk88: It's going to be hilarious when the Yankees gut the farm yet again in a couple years to trade for a 32 year old Miguel Cabrera so they can sign him to a 10 year/$215m deal.

Good luck grabbing Cabby. If the Tigers don't sign him for a good long contract, i'm done with this team.


Do you really want Miggy on a long term deal? Right now you've got him through 2015 at $22 a year for the next 2. At which point he'll be 32.

Do you really want your team dropping a Pujols-type contract on him at that point? Even a 5 year deal would seem incredibly risky, based on what we've seen from aging sluggers lately. Considering the offers he's likely to get from other teams, I'm think the smart move would be to just let him go, or like I was trying to say, trade him for a raft of prospects in '15 to some desperate big-spending team.
 
2013-08-22 09:34:00 AM

Mateorocks: Well, it wouldn't have been Steinbrenner back in 1991. He was banned.


That's what I thought as well, and even before he was banned, he was too busy having meetings with Howie Spira trying to defraud Dave Winfield's charity.
 
2013-08-22 09:48:00 AM

the biggest redneck here: The Yankees are incredibly poorly managed in a bunch of ways. They'd be in serious trouble in a league with a hard cap.


I know you're a redneck, so probably any concept above potato is too hard for you, but it's the other way around. The Yankees are "poorly managed"* because the league doesn't have a hard cap. If the league had a hard cap, they would have an incentive to be better managed. Since the league doesn't have a hard cap, for decades the Yankee tradition has been "throw money at it". And considering they've won 27 trophies, I don't think they care much about you calling them "poorly managed".
 
2013-08-22 09:51:59 AM

jayhawk88: usttsdw: jayhawk88: It's going to be hilarious when the Yankees gut the farm yet again in a couple years to trade for a 32 year old Miguel Cabrera so they can sign him to a 10 year/$215m deal.

Good luck grabbing Cabby. If the Tigers don't sign him for a good long contract, i'm done with this team.

Do you really want Miggy on a long term deal? Right now you've got him through 2015 at $22 a year for the next 2. At which point he'll be 32.

Do you really want your team dropping a Pujols-type contract on him at that point? Even a 5 year deal would seem incredibly risky, based on what we've seen from aging sluggers lately. Considering the offers he's likely to get from other teams, I'm think the smart move would be to just let him go, or like I was trying to say, trade him for a raft of prospects in '15 to some desperate big-spending team.


He is just so much fun to watch right now, it would be a shame to loose it, but yes, your probably right.
 
2013-08-22 10:16:18 AM

Outrageous Muff: the biggest redneck here: The Yankees are incredibly poorly managed in a bunch of ways. They'd be in serious trouble in a league with a hard cap.

This statement is funny because Girardi has a good shot at winning Manager of the Year and Cashman GM of the Year.


In what world would someone vote for the manager of the 8th best AL team, with a payroll of $220MM (even with all of the injuries, they still had $140MM+ available at any time), as manager of the year? Or the GM that put together that crap roster with the highest payroll in baseball?
 
2013-08-22 10:39:25 AM
FTA: I love how, when the Yankees front office is described, there is some sense of it being a strict and formal corporate structure with department heads and official titles. I know these roles exist with other teams, but something about how it is discussed makes it sound like some giant conglomerate.

Is this writer new to the MLB or professional sports in general? They're only worth 2.3 billion dollars; why would they be run like a giant conglomerate with "official" titles? They should just call each other "skipper", "b-cash", etc.
 
2013-08-22 10:41:54 AM
They'd win it all if they'd just re-hire Costanza.
 
2013-08-22 11:02:56 AM

Moopy Mac: Outrageous Muff: the biggest redneck here: The Yankees are incredibly poorly managed in a bunch of ways. They'd be in serious trouble in a league with a hard cap.

This statement is funny because Girardi has a good shot at winning Manager of the Year and Cashman GM of the Year.

In what world would someone vote for the manager of the 8th best AL team, with a payroll of $220MM (even with all of the injuries, they still had $140MM+ available at any time), as manager of the year? Or the GM that put together that crap roster with the highest payroll in baseball?


You're looking at it from the wrong direction. While Girardi's not gonna win (it'll likely be Farrell in the AL because the people that vote on this sort of thing tend to more look at a season-to-season turnaround rather than overcoming adversity within a season) he'll be in the conversation because no one expected a team that suddenly lost 90M+ payroll to win many games.
 
2013-08-22 11:22:27 AM

Outrageous Muff: This statement is funny because Girardi has a good shot at winning Manager of the Year and Cashman GM of the Year.


For what? Being Yankees?
 
2013-08-22 11:26:28 AM

The Bestest: Moopy Mac: Outrageous Muff: the biggest redneck here: The Yankees are incredibly poorly managed in a bunch of ways. They'd be in serious trouble in a league with a hard cap.

This statement is funny because Girardi has a good shot at winning Manager of the Year and Cashman GM of the Year.

In what world would someone vote for the manager of the 8th best AL team, with a payroll of $220MM (even with all of the injuries, they still had $140MM+ available at any time), as manager of the year? Or the GM that put together that crap roster with the highest payroll in baseball?

You're looking at it from the wrong direction. While Girardi's not gonna win (it'll likely be Farrell in the AL because the people that vote on this sort of thing tend to more look at a season-to-season turnaround rather than overcoming adversity within a season) he'll be in the conversation because no one expected a team that suddenly lost 90M+ payroll to win many games.


He won't be part of any MOTY conversation other than by some hack from the News or Post trying to get some page hits.
 
2013-08-22 11:26:45 AM
Sounds like someone is getting tired of paying mega contracts to nearly every player on the roster.
 
2013-08-22 11:28:39 AM

Outrageous Muff: the biggest redneck here: The Yankees are incredibly poorly managed in a bunch of ways. They'd be in serious trouble in a league with a hard cap.

This statement is funny because Girardi has a good shot at winning Manager of the Year and Cashman GM of the Year.


All because they traded away talent to the cubs.

Yankees developed talent then just seemed to spend and forget about it, braves didn't do that and will be back in the WS this year. The team looks better than the teams in the 90s, mainly because they can hit and strike guys out.
 
2013-08-22 11:32:12 AM
Is the fail tag for subby?  In 1991, the Yankees had Bernie Williams, Andy Pettitte, Mariano Rivera, Jorge Posada, and Carl Everett in their system among others.  Derek Jeter would be drafted in the next year.  And as was already pointed out, George Steinbrenner was on suspension.
 
2013-08-22 11:34:27 AM

steamingpile: Outrageous Muff: the biggest redneck here: The Yankees are incredibly poorly managed in a bunch of ways. They'd be in serious trouble in a league with a hard cap.

This statement is funny because Girardi has a good shot at winning Manager of the Year and Cashman GM of the Year.

All because they traded away talent to the cubs.

Yankees developed talent then just seemed to spend and forget about it, braves didn't do that and will be back in the WS this year. The team looks better than the teams in the 90s, mainly because they can hit and strike guys out.


It's amazing how much has gone wrong for the Braves.  BJ Upton's a joke, Justin Upton's been good overall but inconsistent, Heyward's been bad for much of the season (and is now out), Dan Uggla couldn't see, and the bullpen's depleted.

But a strong rotation and a few hitters is all it really takes.  Oh, and Simmons' monster defense at SS.

/seriously, people.  Defense is all about footspeed moving to the ball.  Stop watching great plays and start watching range.  Simmons is a beast.
 
2013-08-22 11:36:21 AM

Dafatone: Defense is all about footspeed moving to the ball.  Stop watching great plays and start watching range.


Leather wins Gold Gloves and gets you on Sportscenter.
 
2013-08-22 12:24:30 PM

The Bestest: Moopy Mac: Outrageous Muff: the biggest redneck here: The Yankees are incredibly poorly managed in a bunch of ways. They'd be in serious trouble in a league with a hard cap.

This statement is funny because Girardi has a good shot at winning Manager of the Year and Cashman GM of the Year.

In what world would someone vote for the manager of the 8th best AL team, with a payroll of $220MM (even with all of the injuries, they still had $140MM+ available at any time), as manager of the year? Or the GM that put together that crap roster with the highest payroll in baseball?

You're looking at it from the wrong direction. While Girardi's not gonna win (it'll likely be Farrell in the AL because the people that vote on this sort of thing tend to more look at a season-to-season turnaround rather than overcoming adversity within a season) he'll be in the conversation because no one expected a team that suddenly lost 90M+ payroll to win many games.


I'd say Girardi has a decent case for Manager of the Year.  The team is still in contention for a playoff spot, outplaying their Pythagorean record, their collective WAR and their overall talent level.  That's the kind of thing the award is supposed to reflect.  You're probably right that the case is stronger for Farrell.  But Girardi has a shot.

But considering Cashman -- the man who larded up this roster with A-Rod, Sabathia, Teixeira, Youkilis and all the rest -- as a GM of the Year candidate is flat-out retarded.
 
2013-08-22 12:40:39 PM

Super Chronic: But considering Cashman -- the man who larded up this roster with A-Rod, Sabathia, Teixeira, Youkilis and all the rest -- as a GM of the Year candidate is flat-out retarded.


Your overall point is correct, but Cashman was vehemently against re-signing A-Rod after his opt-out fiasco in 2007.  That's a Randy Levine special.
 
2013-08-22 12:42:53 PM

Yanks_RSJ: Super Chronic: But considering Cashman -- the man who larded up this roster with A-Rod, Sabathia, Teixeira, Youkilis and all the rest -- as a GM of the Year candidate is flat-out retarded.

Your overall point is correct, but Cashman was vehemently against re-signing A-Rod after his opt-out fiasco in 2007.  That's a Randy Levine special.


I forgot about that but it sounds right, now that you say it.  Still... Teixeira, Sabathia, etc.
 
2013-08-22 12:44:26 PM

Super Chronic: But considering Cashman -- the man who larded up this roster with A-Rod, Sabathia, Teixeira, Youkilis and all the rest -- as a GM of the Year candidate is flat-out retarded.


In fairness to Cashman, the A-Rod contract wasn't his baby, and the original CC deal and the Tex deal paid off in the short run. I don't think anyone expected CC to have such a huge fall-off this year and CC kinda had the team by the balls (pitching for the Yankees, even before injuries looked reeeeally thin this past offseason).
 
2013-08-22 12:45:06 PM

Super Chronic: Yanks_RSJ: Super Chronic: But considering Cashman -- the man who larded up this roster with A-Rod, Sabathia, Teixeira, Youkilis and all the rest -- as a GM of the Year candidate is flat-out retarded.

Your overall point is correct, but Cashman was vehemently against re-signing A-Rod after his opt-out fiasco in 2007.  That's a Randy Levine special.

I forgot about that but it sounds right, now that you say it.  Still... Teixeira, Sabathia, etc.


Yeah, if you consider the long term repercussions of those contracts, winning the 2009 World Series and only the 2009 World Series isn't much of a reward for that spending spree.
 
2013-08-22 12:47:55 PM

Yanks_RSJ: Yeah, if you consider the long term repercussions of those contracts, winning the 2009 World Series and only the 2009 World Series isn't much of a reward for that spending spree.


I dunno. I'd still take it. It was a worthy last hurrah for a bunch of guys from the early 2000s teams that up until that point had only known close-but-no-cigar success, and for many fans it washed out that nasty 2004 taste. Heck, I'd say it was worth it just for getting Matsui a ring.
 
2013-08-22 12:53:37 PM

The Bestest: Yanks_RSJ: Yeah, if you consider the long term repercussions of those contracts, winning the 2009 World Series and only the 2009 World Series isn't much of a reward for that spending spree.

I dunno. I'd still take it. It was a worthy last hurrah for a bunch of guys from the early 2000s teams that up until that point had only known close-but-no-cigar success, and for many fans it washed out that nasty 2004 taste. Heck, I'd say it was worth it just for getting Matsui a ring.


Yeah I suppose they were likely to begin their decline anyway, so taking one more shot at a title was probably worth it.  But all the dead money they've got on the books now is going to make sure things get much worse before they get better.  And the farm system is atrocious independent of those free agent moves.
 
2013-08-22 12:56:01 PM

The Bestest: Dafatone: Defense is all about footspeed moving to the ball.  Stop watching great plays and start watching range.

Leather wins Gold Gloves and gets you on Sportscenter.


so what im hearing, is chicks dig a leatherman?
 
2013-08-22 01:02:02 PM

Yanks_RSJ: The Bestest: Yanks_RSJ: Yeah, if you consider the long term repercussions of those contracts, winning the 2009 World Series and only the 2009 World Series isn't much of a reward for that spending spree.

I dunno. I'd still take it. It was a worthy last hurrah for a bunch of guys from the early 2000s teams that up until that point had only known close-but-no-cigar success, and for many fans it washed out that nasty 2004 taste. Heck, I'd say it was worth it just for getting Matsui a ring.

Yeah I suppose they were likely to begin their decline anyway, so taking one more shot at a title was probably worth it.  But all the dead money they've got on the books now is going to make sure things get much worse before they get better.  And the farm system is atrocious independent of those free agent moves.


I wonder, though, if all the bad recent experience with super-long-term deals (mostly on the Yankees and the Angels) will temper the market's enthusiasm for Cano in this offseason.  You might not have to give him as many years as some people seem to be assuming.
 
2013-08-22 01:04:45 PM

Super Chronic: I wonder, though, if all the bad recent experience with super-long-term deals (mostly on the Yankees and the Angels) will temper the market's enthusiasm for Cano in this offseason.  You might not have to give him as many years as some people seem to be assuming.


The problem with Cano (for the Yankees) is the Dodgers.
 
2013-08-22 01:06:29 PM

Outrageous Muff: the biggest redneck here: The Yankees are incredibly poorly managed in a bunch of ways. They'd be in serious trouble in a league with a hard cap.

This statement is funny because Girardi has a good shot at winning Manager of the Year and Cashman GM of the Year.


It's true because they've won a single WS in a dozen years despite having a HUGE payroll advantage over every single other major league team.

rocky_howard: the biggest redneck here: The Yankees are incredibly poorly managed in a bunch of ways. They'd be in serious trouble in a league with a hard cap.

I know you're a redneck, so probably any concept above potato is too hard for you, but it's the other way around. The Yankees are "poorly managed"* because the league doesn't have a hard cap. If the league had a hard cap, they would have an incentive to be better managed. Since the league doesn't have a hard cap, for decades the Yankee tradition has been "throw money at it". And considering they've won 27 trophies, I don't think they care much about you calling them "poorly managed".


I know you're self-labeled after a fictional five-foot Italian, so probably any concept above potato is too hard for you, but I used the present tense. That means present day, and implies the near past, a time period in which they've got one WS win in a dozen years and are nowhere near winning another one. Given their extreme financial advantages, the only logical conclusion is that they're poorly managed as a whole.
 
2013-08-22 01:11:00 PM

The Bestest: Super Chronic: I wonder, though, if all the bad recent experience with super-long-term deals (mostly on the Yankees and the Angels) will temper the market's enthusiasm for Cano in this offseason.  You might not have to give him as many years as some people seem to be assuming.

The problem with Cano (for the Yankees) is the Dodgers.


Sure, but I'm thinking the odds of the Dodgers (or any other team) saying "hey, let's give a ten-year deal to this 31-year-old" is greatly reduced in light of recent league-wide experience.
 
2013-08-22 01:47:38 PM

the biggest redneck here: Outrageous Muff: the biggest redneck here: The Yankees are incredibly poorly managed in a bunch of ways. They'd be in serious trouble in a league with a hard cap.

This statement is funny because Girardi has a good shot at winning Manager of the Year and Cashman GM of the Year.

It's true because they've won a single WS in a dozen years despite having a HUGE payroll advantage over every single other major league team.

rocky_howard: the biggest redneck here: The Yankees are incredibly poorly managed in a bunch of ways. They'd be in serious trouble in a league with a hard cap.

I know you're a redneck, so probably any concept above potato is too hard for you, but it's the other way around. The Yankees are "poorly managed"* because the league doesn't have a hard cap. If the league had a hard cap, they would have an incentive to be better managed. Since the league doesn't have a hard cap, for decades the Yankee tradition has been "throw money at it". And considering they've won 27 trophies, I don't think they care much about you calling them "poorly managed".

I know you're self-labeled after a fictional five-foot Italian, so probably any concept above potato is too hard for you, but I used the present tense. That means present day, and implies the near past, a time period in which they've got one WS win in a dozen years and are nowhere near winning another one. Given their extreme financial advantages, the only logical conclusion is that they're poorly managed as a whole.


Oh snap! +1
 
2013-08-22 03:58:04 PM

the biggest redneck here: That means present day, and implies the near past, a time period in which they've got one WS win in a dozen years and are nowhere near winning another one. Given their extreme financial advantages, the only logical conclusion is that they're poorly managed as a whole.


Depends if you mean "managed" to mean the ownership or the in-dugout management.

The ownership is clearly a train wreck.  They spent the better part of a decade signing just-cresting-over-the-hill guys to expensive deals with long durations.  They ignored player development and sold all their best prospects for short-term returns.

But Girardi?  He's put together a 67-59 record trotting out lineups full of Eduardo Nunez-equivalents every night.  Chris Stewart, Jayson Nix, Travis Hafner's dad, the ghost of Vernon Wells, not-retired Lyle Overbay, David Adams, Austin Romine, etc.  These guys all get serious playing time.  And somehow, in one of the tougher divisions in baseball, they're 8 games over .500.  He's either very lucky or very good.
 
2013-08-22 04:10:48 PM

chimp_ninja: They spent the better part of a decade signing just-cresting-over-the-hill guys to expensive deals with long durations.  They ignored player development and sold all their best prospects for short-term returns.


Which honestly makes sense (and isn't necessarily BAD management) if you're considering the fact that Steinbrenner had to have known he was on the way out - it's no fun having your team become great again after you die.
 
2013-08-22 04:13:02 PM

chimp_ninja: The ownership is clearly a train wreck. They spent the better part of a decade signing just-cresting-over-the-hill guys to expensive deals with long durations. They ignored player development and sold all their best prospects for short-term returns.


Is this actually true?  I'm trying to think of good prospects they've traded who have turned out great, and I'm kinda drawing a blank.  Ian Kennedy had one monster year, but that's about it.  Austin Jackson is playing well, but not necessarily any better than Granderson (injuries aside.)

Mostly, they just don't seem to have prospects, or at least ones that pan out.
 
2013-08-22 04:18:52 PM

IAmRight: chimp_ninja: They spent the better part of a decade signing just-cresting-over-the-hill guys to expensive deals with long durations.  They ignored player development and sold all their best prospects for short-term returns.

Which honestly makes sense (and isn't necessarily BAD management) if you're considering the fact that Steinbrenner had to have known he was on the way out - it's no fun having your team become great again after you die.


I was actually about to comment that the Yankees haven't been "big spenders" since 2009, which resulted in immediate short term gain but possibly hurt the team in the long run and that the current "management style" is really mostly dealing with the aftershocks.

It should also be noted that Hal is a decidedly different type of owner than his father (the other brother, Hank resembles George far more closely, but draw your own conclusions as to why Hal was left in charge).
 
2013-08-22 04:24:28 PM

Dafatone: chimp_ninja: The ownership is clearly a train wreck. They spent the better part of a decade signing just-cresting-over-the-hill guys to expensive deals with long durations. They ignored player development and sold all their best prospects for short-term returns.

Is this actually true?  I'm trying to think of good prospects they've traded who have turned out great, and I'm kinda drawing a blank.  Ian Kennedy had one monster year, but that's about it.  Austin Jackson is playing well, but not necessarily any better than Granderson (injuries aside.)

Mostly, they just don't seem to have prospects, or at least ones that pan out.


Marc Melancon, but he wasn't considered a top prospect and he would be just another middle reliever if he had stayed with the Yankees.  Kennedy has been good before this year, with good strikeout rates.  Someone will pay him $15mm a year when he becomes a free agent.
 
2013-08-22 04:31:44 PM
since we're on the discussion, fun fact:

Cano was on the PTBNL list in the original A-Rod for Soriano trade, but the Rangers went with someone else (whose name utterly escapes me and didn't amount to anything)
 
2013-08-22 04:37:43 PM

Dafatone: chimp_ninja: The ownership is clearly a train wreck. They spent the better part of a decade signing just-cresting-over-the-hill guys to expensive deals with long durations. They ignored player development and sold all their best prospects for short-term returns.

Is this actually true?  I'm trying to think of good prospects they've traded who have turned out great, and I'm kinda drawing a blank.  Ian Kennedy had one monster year, but that's about it.  Austin Jackson is playing well, but not necessarily any better than Granderson (injuries aside.)

Mostly, they just don't seem to have prospects, or at least ones that pan out.


Overrated Yankee prospects are a time-honored tradition, from Dioner Navarro and Eric Duncan to Jose Tabata and Joba Chamberlain.  Remember speculation about "a package built around" Nick Johnson, D'Angelo Jimenez and Ramiro Mendoza in exchange for Ken Griffey Jr. in his prime?  Good times, good times.
 
2013-08-22 04:39:24 PM

Super Chronic: Remember speculation about "a package built around" Nick Johnson, D'Angelo Jimenez and Ramiro Mendoza in exchange for Ken Griffey Jr. in his prime?  Good times, good times.


To be fair, Nick Johnson may have been a great player if he had bones instead of balsa wood for a skeleton.
 
2013-08-22 04:40:02 PM

The Bestest: Super Chronic: Remember speculation about "a package built around" Nick Johnson, D'Angelo Jimenez and Ramiro Mendoza in exchange for Ken Griffey Jr. in his prime?  Good times, good times.

To be fair, Nick Johnson may have been a great player if he had bones instead of balsa wood for a skeleton.


Plus, he's a dead ringer for Babe Ruth.
 
2013-08-22 04:45:02 PM

The Bestest: since we're on the discussion, fun fact:

Cano was on the PTBNL list in the original A-Rod for Soriano trade, but the Rangers went with someone else (whose name utterly escapes me and didn't amount to anything)


You made me look it up.  It was Joaquin Arias.
 
2013-08-22 05:17:25 PM

chimp_ninja: the biggest redneck here: That means present day, and implies the near past, a time period in which they've got one WS win in a dozen years and are nowhere near winning another one. Given their extreme financial advantages, the only logical conclusion is that they're poorly managed as a whole.

Depends if you mean "managed" to mean the ownership or the in-dugout management.

The ownership is clearly a train wreck.  They spent the better part of a decade signing just-cresting-over-the-hill guys to expensive deals with long durations.  They ignored player development and sold all their best prospects for short-term returns.

But Girardi?  He's put together a 67-59 record trotting out lineups full of Eduardo Nunez-equivalents every night.  Chris Stewart, Jayson Nix, Travis Hafner's dad, the ghost of Vernon Wells, not-retired Lyle Overbay, David Adams, Austin Romine, etc.  These guys all get serious playing time.  And somehow, in one of the tougher divisions in baseball, they're 8 games over .500.  He's either very lucky or very good.


I mean the product in the field, the people behind the decisions that have resulted in going one for the last twelve. Girardi doesn't really figure into that.
 
2013-08-22 05:36:42 PM
If the Yankees can void a huge part of whats left on aroids contract that might qualify as executive of the year.

/awful awful deal
//but seems to be  lot of that going around.
///BJ Upton contract looks to be murder
 
2013-08-22 06:50:42 PM

Dafatone: chimp_ninja: The ownership is clearly a train wreck. They spent the better part of a decade signing just-cresting-over-the-hill guys to expensive deals with long durations. They ignored player development and sold all their best prospects for short-term returns.

Is this actually true?  I'm trying to think of good prospects they've traded who have turned out great, and I'm kinda drawing a blank.  Ian Kennedy had one monster year, but that's about it.  Austin Jackson is playing well, but not necessarily any better than Granderson (injuries aside.)

Mostly, they just don't seem to have prospects, or at least ones that pan out.


They did trade Zach McAllister - currently a more than serviceable major league starting pitcher - for 3 months of Austin Kearns. Aside from that, they haven't done so much of that.

Also of note, it's hard to draft *impact* major leaguers when you're constantly drafting at the bottom of every round and forfeiting picks to pick up free agents. They gave up a 1st rounder last year to sign Rafael Soriano for one season. They've made a ton of moves like that over the last half decade, sometimes having their first pick be something like #51.

Also, not getting Gerrit Cole or Mark Prior to actually sign when they were drafted kind of ended up sucking for the Yankees.
 
2013-08-22 08:22:08 PM

Dafatone: steamingpile: Outrageous Muff: the biggest redneck here: The Yankees are incredibly poorly managed in a bunch of ways. They'd be in serious trouble in a league with a hard cap.

This statement is funny because Girardi has a good shot at winning Manager of the Year and Cashman GM of the Year.

All because they traded away talent to the cubs.

Yankees developed talent then just seemed to spend and forget about it, braves didn't do that and will be back in the WS this year. The team looks better than the teams in the 90s, mainly because they can hit and strike guys out.

It's amazing how much has gone wrong for the Braves.  BJ Upton's a joke, Justin Upton's been good overall but inconsistent, Heyward's been bad for much of the season (and is now out), Dan Uggla couldn't see, and the bullpen's depleted.

But a strong rotation and a few hitters is all it really takes.  Oh, and Simmons' monster defense at SS.

/seriously, people.  Defense is all about footspeed moving to the ball.  Stop watching great plays and start watching range.  Simmons is a beast.


Simmons is underrated by anyone that doesn't coach against him, its why the coaches voted him to the top of most lists.
 
2013-08-22 08:28:29 PM

farbekrieg: If the Yankees can void a huge part of whats left on aroids contract that might qualify as executive of the year.

/awful awful deal
//but seems to be  lot of that going around.
///BJ Upton contract looks to be murder


They aren't going to get rid of his deal, other mlb teams won't allow it which is why I believe he didn't get banned. And one of the worst deals is still the mets with Bobby bonilla, its just funny they have to pay him until 2035.

Yeah BJs deal is bad but I can think of worse, zito is getting a shiat ton and even though BJ isn't hitting he still saves runs with defense.
 
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