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(Talking Points Memo)   Obama is coming up with new college rating system, will be known as Obamaknows and will be hounded by the GOP until they either implement a better system that will give everyone affordable college, or will completely destroy the college system   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 62
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2013-08-22 09:03:30 AM
College Tuition: Another thing Baby Boomers have corrupted so that their short-term goals of profit are met while the long-term debt effects their children and grandchildren. It's amazing that generation ever came from the people that fought in WW2
 
2013-08-22 09:08:01 AM
Obamaknows

See, I would have thought that's an NSA program.
 
2013-08-22 09:10:55 AM
mybeautifuladventures.com
 
2013-08-22 09:13:07 AM
Something something

Blah blah blah

Obama, you don't know DIDDLEY.

~ fin ~
 
2013-08-22 09:15:37 AM

Outrageous Muff: College Tuition: Another thing Baby Boomers government bureaucrats have corrupted

 
2013-08-22 09:16:33 AM
My undergraduates in-state tuition and fees have tripled since I was a freshman in the 2000-01 academic year. The out-of-state rates are so high I would tell my kid to move to said state, get residency, THEN enroll.
 
2013-08-22 09:17:13 AM
Doesnt he do that every year by wasting millions of taxpayer dollars by filling out his NCAA brackets?
 
2013-08-22 09:17:52 AM
Look at how many farkers refuse to pay their loans and want rhem discharged through bankruptcy....

Why should a college be penalized for that with some rating system.

What abour the varying costs of living throughout the country where even a starting teachers salary can vary by 10k dollars or so....
 
2013-08-22 09:19:01 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: Outrageous Muff: College Tuition: Another thing Baby Boomers government bureaucrats have corrupted


Government bureaucrats don't decided on what tuition is, and even if they did Boomers make up the majority of said bureaucrats. Nice try, Boomer.
 
2013-08-22 09:19:34 AM

Outrageous Muff: It's amazing that generation ever came from the people that fought in WW2


coughcoughGIBillcoughcough
 
2013-08-22 09:22:56 AM

Muta: coughcoughGIBillcoughcough


The GI Bill caused the rise of college tuition in the 2000's?
 
2013-08-22 09:24:11 AM
Remember, a college education is worth every penny put into it. Oh, wait. You're good at a child's game? Come on in, your money's no good here, it's all on us!!!!
 
2013-08-22 09:24:17 AM

Outrageous Muff: Zeb Hesselgresser: Outrageous Muff: College Tuition: Another thing Baby Boomers government bureaucrats have corrupted

Government bureaucrats don't decided on what tuition is, and even if they did Boomers make up the majority of said bureaucrats. Nice try, Boomer.


I bet tuition rates are closely linked to how much money the govermemt makes available to students......

If government made 10k dollars available per year to everyone who buys gasoline, do you think gasoline prices would drop, increase or stay the same?

Making more and more money available usually makes that money more and more worthless.....the tuition and student loan mechanism is probably the best inflation model that ever existed.
 
2013-08-22 09:25:55 AM

Outrageous Muff: Zeb Hesselgresser: Outrageous Muff: College Tuition: Another thing Baby Boomers government bureaucrats have corrupted

Government bureaucrats don't decided on what tuition is, and even if they did Boomers make up the majority of said bureaucrats.  Nice try, Boomer.


So, we agree then.
 
2013-08-22 09:27:13 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: Outrageous Muff: Zeb Hesselgresser: Outrageous Muff: College Tuition: Another thing Baby Boomers government bureaucrats have corrupted

Government bureaucrats don't decided on what tuition is, and even if they did Boomers make up the majority of said bureaucrats.  Nice try, Boomer.

So, we agree then.


Enlighten me, how are government bureaucrats responsible for the drastic rise in college tuition across the board that has run parallel with the decline in government (usually state-level) funding higher education?
 
2013-08-22 09:30:51 AM

Giltric: Outrageous Muff: Zeb Hesselgresser: Outrageous Muff: College Tuition: Another thing Baby Boomers government bureaucrats have corrupted

Government bureaucrats don't decided on what tuition is, and even if they did Boomers make up the majority of said bureaucrats. Nice try, Boomer.

I bet tuition rates are closely linked to how much money the govermemt makes available to students......

If government made 10k dollars available per year to everyone who buys gasoline, do you think gasoline prices would drop, increase or stay the same?

Making more and more money available usually makes that money more and more worthless.....the tuition and student loan mechanism is probably the best inflation model that ever existed.


Well, that's pretty much what muffy said, The Government (Boomers) made huge sums of money available to college kids, and Academia (Boomers) made sure they got most of it.
 
2013-08-22 09:32:27 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: Well, that's pretty much what muffy said, The Government (Boomers) made huge sums of money available to college kids, and Academia (Boomers) made sure they got most of it.


Reading is hard you, isn't it?
 
2013-08-22 09:34:56 AM
Instead of state colleges maybe federal colleges are the way to go. The federal government should be able to reduce costs as well as trade future government employment and assignment in exchange for tuition. Free college for everyone.
 
2013-08-22 09:37:38 AM
That headline is all derp.
 
2013-08-22 09:40:05 AM
"with students attending highly-rated schools receiving larger grants and more affordable student loans."

So, those people attending Harvard or Yale will get more grants and more affordable student loans? Meanwhile someone attending a small state school who is tops in his class in a good program won't, because overall his school isn't highly-rated? This seems asinine to me. Why not reward the higher-performing STUDENTS and not the schools? Or, you know, fix the student loan system.
 
2013-08-22 10:05:55 AM

Irregardless: Instead of state colleges maybe federal colleges are the way to go. The federal government should be able to reduce costs as well as trade future government employment and assignment in exchange for tuition. Free college for everyone.


Non-feasible in the current political environment, given widespread conservative opposition to any sort of Federal involvement in education.
 
2013-08-22 10:15:49 AM

jeremy1897: "with students attending highly-rated schools receiving larger grants and more affordable student loans."

So, those people attending Harvard or Yale will get more grants and more affordable student loans? Meanwhile someone attending a small state school who is tops in his class in a good program won't, because overall his school isn't highly-rated? This seems asinine to me. Why not reward the higher-performing STUDENTS and not the schools? Or, you know, fix the student loan system.


You cant fix the student loan system without assessing its impact. This is another step in that direction. This administration has been taking incremental steps to reform the student loan industry. Its taking a few years for it all to kick in but there have already been many changes implemented.
 
2013-08-22 10:25:03 AM
There's a really simple change that should be done to student loans: stop capitalizing the interest at the end of the deferment period.

It's simply vindictive.
 
2013-08-22 10:28:31 AM

jeremy1897: So, those people attending Harvard or Yale will get more grants and more affordable student loans? Meanwhile someone attending a small state school who is tops in his class in a good program won't, because overall his school isn't highly-rated? This seems asinine to me. Why not reward the higher-performing STUDENTS and not the schools? Or, you know, fix the student loan system.


No.  Schools get a higher rating if they have lower tuition, and the students leave with lower debt.  So a school charing $60,000 a year gets a lower score than one that charges $15,000.  This benefits state schools.
 
2013-08-22 10:35:38 AM
Any faith that Obama's own background in Academia inspired in us that he might have some real solution to this kind of problem has been sort of negated by the fact that the last 6 years of him running things could only have been worse for the universities if he'd actually ordered the military to bomb them.  He's cut funding sources for us that were so unassailable that no one had even considered that they might be cut.

So... let's go with a tentative 'how about no' until we see an extremely detailed plan with a lot of data backing it up, yeah?

//Yes, the other guy would have been worse.  I'd slightly prefer being ironic-punish'd in Christian Hell than lake-of-fire'd in Islamic hell, that doesn't mean I'm going to vote Satan for President.
 
2013-08-22 10:40:59 AM

Outrageous Muff: Zeb Hesselgresser: Well, that's pretty much what muffy said, The Government (Boomers) made huge sums of money available to college kids, and Academia (Boomers) made sure they got most of it.

Reading is hard you, isn't it?


Especially with sentences good.
 
2013-08-22 10:42:48 AM
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Not impressed.
 
2013-08-22 10:44:19 AM
Obama wants college to be more accessible?

What a snob!!
 
2013-08-22 10:44:25 AM

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2013-08-22 10:55:36 AM

Jim_Callahan: Any faith that Obama's own background in Academia inspired in us that he might have some real solution to this kind of problem has been sort of negated by the fact that the last 6 years of him running things could only have been worse for the universities if he'd actually ordered the military to bomb them.  He's cut funding sources for us that were so unassailable that no one had even considered that they might be cut.

So... let's go with a tentative 'how about no' until we see an extremely detailed plan with a lot of data backing it up, yeah?

//Yes, the other guy would have been worse.  I'd slightly prefer being ironic-punish'd in Christian Hell than lake-of-fire'd in Islamic hell, that doesn't mean I'm going to vote Satan for President.


Look at how he uses his experience as a constitutional scholar....

His administration just asked the courts to allow warrantless searches of cell phones or something.....
 
2013-08-22 11:18:11 AM
Will it be as well guarded as Obama's college papers are?
 
2013-08-22 11:35:59 AM

jeremy1897: "with students attending highly-rated schools receiving larger grants and more affordable student loans."

So, those people attending Harvard or Yale will get more grants and more affordable student loans? Meanwhile someone attending a small state school who is tops in his class in a good program won't, because overall his school isn't highly-rated? This seems asinine to me. Why not reward the higher-performing STUDENTS and not the schools? Or, you know, fix the student loan system.


As I understand it - the rating is based on overall school value which includes expense vs benefit, school performance, and similar criteria.

So, schools that don't arbitrarily inflate their costs will likely receive a higher rating.

That's according to an NPR segment.
 
2013-08-22 11:38:20 AM
I always figured that the best college rating system is trying to figure out what you want to major in, then searching for colleges with the best programs for that major.
 
2013-08-22 11:38:21 AM

Jim_Callahan: Any faith that Obama's own background in Academia inspired in us that he might have some real solution to this kind of problem has been sort of negated by the fact that the last 6 years of him running things could only have been worse for the universities if he'd actually ordered the military to bomb them.  He's cut funding sources for us that were so unassailable that no one had even considered that they might be cut.

So... let's go with a tentative 'how about no' until we see an extremely detailed plan with a lot of data backing it up, yeah?

//Yes, the other guy would have been worse.  I'd slightly prefer being ironic-punish'd in Christian Hell than lake-of-fire'd in Islamic hell, that doesn't mean I'm going to vote Satan for President.


The obvious solution to your funding problem is registering your school as an appendage of the DoD.
 
2013-08-22 11:39:34 AM

Aarontology: I always figured that the best college rating system is trying to figure out what you want to major in, then searching for colleges with the best programs for that major.


The problem being that most students don't know what they'll end up majoring in until their second year.
 
2013-08-22 11:42:18 AM

Bontesla: Aarontology: I always figured that the best college rating system is trying to figure out what you want to major in, then searching for colleges with the best programs for that major.

The problem being that most students don't know what they'll end up majoring in until their second year.


So work for the first year and go into school the next year so you know what you want to major in.....

Why waste a year in school figuring out things you should have known before applying?
 
2013-08-22 11:44:30 AM

Bontesla: Aarontology: I always figured that the best college rating system is trying to figure out what you want to major in, then searching for colleges with the best programs for that major.

The problem being that most students don't know what they'll end up majoring in until their second year.


That is why community colleges should be a standard step in the US college experience.
 
2013-08-22 11:52:07 AM

Giltric: Bontesla: Aarontology: I always figured that the best college rating system is trying to figure out what you want to major in, then searching for colleges with the best programs for that major.

The problem being that most students don't know what they'll end up majoring in until their second year.

So work for the first year and go into school the next year so you know what you want to major in.....

Why waste a year in school figuring out things you should have known before applying?


A lot of students don't know what they'll major in beyond a thinly veiled idea that x interests them.

General educational requirements usually expose students to new ideas and fields of study. That's one of the functions intended by creating these requirements.

So, suppose you kind of like math in high school and could foresee a future as a math teacher. Exposure to astronomy could completely change your career goals.

Students should be school shopping based off of their career path at the graduate level. Not the undergraduate level. It's intentionally broad and accessible for a reason.

With that said - there are some students that absolutely know they're going to be an accountant or mechanic. There should be vocational programs out there so that students can pick the right place for them.
 
2013-08-22 11:54:43 AM

Bontesla: The problem being that most students don't know what they'll end up majoring in until their second year.


That's true, which is why:

Saiga410: That is why community colleges should be a standard step in the US college experience.

 
2013-08-22 11:57:00 AM
Or instead, how about we stop driving tuition inflation into the insane levels we have now through loan subsidies?

Just an idea.

I graduated 10 years ago and last I checked, tuition had gone up over 200% since my freshman year.
 
2013-08-22 11:57:15 AM

Saiga410: Bontesla: Aarontology: I always figured that the best college rating system is trying to figure out what you want to major in, then searching for colleges with the best programs for that major.

The problem being that most students don't know what they'll end up majoring in until their second year.

That is why community colleges should be a standard step in the US college experience.


I definitely think that the role of community colleges are undervalued.

I graduated from a private college in 2007. My tuition bill was approximately 24k a semester. Why the hell would I want to pay that insanity to fulfill a math or language requirement when community colleges charge a fraction of the price for the same content?

Students should definitely supplement their education with community college courses when it makes sense.
 
2013-08-22 11:58:44 AM

Bontesla: Exposure to astronomy could completely change your career goals.


That's a high school elective in my district...so is robotics.
 
2013-08-22 11:59:10 AM

Giltric: Bontesla: Aarontology: I always figured that the best college rating system is trying to figure out what you want to major in, then searching for colleges with the best programs for that major.

The problem being that most students don't know what they'll end up majoring in until their second year.

So work for the first year and go into school the next year so you know what you want to major in.....

Why waste a year in school figuring out things you should have known before applying?


Two reasons:

A) most jobs you can get with a high school diploma won't help you decide what you want to do with the rest of your life aside from helping you reach conclusions like, "I do not want to be a barrista anymore."

B) much of the knowledge you can use to get a jump start on your college education is perishable.  How much of calculus B/C did you remember the next fall after you spent a summer not thinking about it at all?  Now imagine how much more you lose a year later.  Remember, you're going to be graded primarily against people who don't have this disadvantage.

Delaying college is better for people who know what they want to do, or have a goal they want to accomplish.  These people will be able to bring valuable life experience into their education, which will make them more successful.  For everyone else, delaying college means starting your education just as aimless but less prepared than your peers.
 
2013-08-22 12:01:28 PM
I think I can see Obama's endgame.  Bob Jones Uni to be listed at F--- "unable to get loans/grants "while Brown is A+++ "full ride for anyone that gets accepted."
 
2013-08-22 12:02:22 PM

Giltric: Bontesla: Exposure to astronomy could completely change your career goals.

That's a high school elective in my district...so is robotics.


But you could imagine that in some districts, that would not be the case, right??
 
2013-08-22 12:07:55 PM

Bontesla: Giltric: Bontesla: Exposure to astronomy could completely change your career goals.

That's a high school elective in my district...so is robotics.

But you could imagine that in some districts, that would not be the case, right??


Sure, they wouldn't waste a robotics or astronomy program in a place like Camden..they have enough trouble with readin and rightin.
 
2013-08-22 12:09:00 PM
That guy is a world-class troll.
 
2013-08-22 12:09:42 PM
I got a sneak peek. It came in a forwarded email.

* - NAZI/Fascist (Liberty Univ, Bob Jones Univ)
** - partially Socialist (most state universities in the Big 12 and SEC)
*** - totally Socialist (most private Universities not affiliated with a church)
**** - Communist/Acceptable (the Ivies, MIT, Stanford)
***** - Communist/Preferred (Vassar, Evergreen, schools filled with lesbians)
 
2013-08-22 12:11:08 PM

Giltric: Bontesla: Giltric: Bontesla: Exposure to astronomy could completely change your career goals.

That's a high school elective in my district...so is robotics.

But you could imagine that in some districts, that would not be the case, right??

Sure, they wouldn't waste a robotics or astronomy program in a place like Camden..they have enough trouble with readin and rightin.


Many districts are limited to the type or number of electives offered. College offers students exposure so that they can pursue what interests them.
 
2013-08-22 12:58:20 PM
I hope it has proportional negatives for high spending on sports.
 
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