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2013-08-22 08:00:56 AM
An Englishman is defined as a man who is born in the country of England but would rather have been born in France
 
2013-08-22 08:15:19 AM
infographic = poorly designed chart
 
2013-08-22 08:29:42 AM
From my experience, people were friendlier in London but the women were hotter in Paris. Stockholm pretty much buried both on the latter metric.
 
2013-08-22 09:11:00 AM
I'm convinced!  I'm booking my hotel in Washington today!
 
2013-08-22 09:31:41 AM
I'm amazed the Eiffel Tower and the Shard are of similar height. I've been to both and if I had to guess I would have said the Shard was comfortably larger. I guess all that iron is deceptively slender. Or perhaps it's just that I've seen millions of tiny Eiffel Tower models over years and that has coloured my perceptions.
 
2013-08-22 09:44:41 AM
They're playing a bit fast & loose with some of the facts.

First, to say that St. Paul's was built in 604 is disingenuous, as the current Wren building only dates back to the late 1660s. That's like saying the Dome of the Rock dates back to 600 BCE because the 1st Temple was there.

Second, comparing Greater London to Paris is also slightly unfair, as the former has only really existed since 1965. A better comparison may be with the smaller City of London, unless you're also counting Paris' miscellaneous suburbs.

Third, because you're casting a wide net for London and a tiny net for Paris, you should really be looking at a per capita or a per square mile metric.
 
2013-08-22 09:47:39 AM
So, Disney-Paris gets the most visitors of any attraction in Paris.

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!
 
2013-08-22 09:56:45 AM
They speak English in London.  Advantage: London.
 
2013-08-22 09:58:43 AM
Disney-Paris isn't located in Paris.
 
2013-08-22 10:01:44 AM
They compared the average price of a meal in London to the price of a meal at a single exclusive Parisian restaurant.  Surely there's no bias here.
 
2013-08-22 10:07:24 AM

tricycleracer: They speak English in London.  Advantage: London.


The English may have bad teeth, but at least they don't smell of cigarettes and sweat. And I can understand them. Agreed. Advantage: London
 
2013-08-22 10:21:19 AM
according to chart both london and paris are crazy expensive, which is why I'm spending my next european vacation in Sioux City, Iowa
 
2013-08-22 10:26:22 AM

Tax Boy: according to chart both london and paris are crazy expensive, which is why I'm spending my next european vacation in Sioux City, Iowa


Crazy expensive is relative. I'm not sure the last time London was this cheap.

/It's still outrageously expensive
 
2013-08-22 10:29:59 AM

Tax Boy: according to chart both london and paris are crazy expensive, which is why I'm spending my next european vacation in Sioux City, Iowa


Some of that is incorrect.  For instance, the list a meal at one of the most exclusive restaurants in Paris.  Yeah, that's going to be expensive.  I found myself not paying much more for dinner than I do here in Houston...and I'm talking good meals (stay away from tourist areas - food usually sucks and does cost a little more).

And the price of the metro - 22 euros for a day pass?  That's crazy....and it is probably for the city including suburbs...*and* covers the Bus, RER, etc., as well as the subway.  Just buy the same auto-load pass card the locals buy or a few books of tickets.  I just bought 5 or 10 packs as I needed them.
 
2013-08-22 10:34:39 AM
Meh, NYC beats them both.
 
2013-08-22 10:39:44 AM

Grither: Meh, NYC beats them both.


And at lease the cities of Vermont can manage their garbage and sewage.
Unlike NYC.
 
2013-08-22 10:40:47 AM
St. Louis is way better than either of those dumps.
 
2013-08-22 10:44:56 AM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Second, comparing Greater London to Paris is also slightly unfair, as the former has only really existed since 1965. A better comparison may be with the smaller City of London, unless you're also counting Paris' miscellaneous suburbs.

Third, because you're casting a wide net for London and a tiny net for Paris, you should really be looking at a per capita or a per square mile metric.


I think all the stats they had was for what most people consider Paris, not just the tiny administrative reason. Just like none of the stats they had for London were just the City of London, they were all greater London.

That size thing was moronic, but I don't think it corrupted the other stats. I don't think they had any clue what the exact basis for the stats they were using was- they were probably just googling "number of restaurants in London/Paris".
 
2013-08-22 10:46:43 AM

minoridiot: Disney-Paris isn't located in Paris.


Came here to say this.
If you're claiming Paris is so much smaller than London, then you can't say an attraction 15 miles away is in Paris.
 
2013-08-22 10:47:37 AM
The only Xenophobe that mattered:
farm1.static.flickr.com
 
2013-08-22 10:48:05 AM

whosits_112: tricycleracer: They speak English in London.  Advantage: London.

The English may have bad teeth, but at least they don't smell of cigarettes and sweat. And I can understand them. Agreed. Advantage: London


Somebody's never been to the East End.
 
2013-08-22 10:50:09 AM
It really comes down to whether you prefer:
a) beer vs. wine
b) tea vs. coffee
c) cool vs. beautiful
 
2013-08-22 10:52:31 AM
What? No head-to-head of hamburgers and pizza in London vs. Paris?

How is an American supposed to decide?
 
2013-08-22 10:53:50 AM

vudukungfu: And at lease the cities of Vermont can manage their garbage and sewage.
Unlike NYC.


Huh?? We just dump that ish into the oceans. Problem solved!
 
2013-08-22 10:55:08 AM

Grither: Meh, NYC beats them both.


Ha, no.  New York is a shiathole.
 
2013-08-22 10:57:02 AM

tricycleracer: They speak English in London.  Advantage: London.


You'd be hard pressed to find a touristy area of Paris that didn't have several English speaking people around or English signage. I learned some basic phrases before going, but would have been fine had I not prepared at all.
 
2013-08-22 10:59:02 AM
awwwwww isnt that adorable? the europoors are fighting for 2nd place
 
2013-08-22 11:01:34 AM

meanmutton: Grither: Meh, NYC beats them both.

Ha, no.  New York is a shiathole.


Compared with the architecture of London and Paris? Yeah, NYC is a shiathole. Compared with any midwestern rust belt city? NYC is pretty damn nice.
 
2013-08-22 11:02:58 AM

meanmutton: Ha, no.  New York is a shiathole.


True, it's no  Ypsilanti, that's for sure!
 
2013-08-22 11:05:17 AM
Don't mention this to the Londoners, but the Tower was built by the French.
 
2013-08-22 11:05:26 AM

Tax Boy: according to chart both london and paris are crazy expensive, which is why I'm spending my next european vacation in Sioux City, Iowa


I haven't been to London, but I have been to Paris (within the last couple of years) and it's not that expensive depending on how you travel. I stayed in a hostel for 20 euro/night and at an inn in the suburbs (Malakoff) also for 20/night. The hostel was closer to everything, but it's a hostel, so you make your choices....I also purchased food in local markets and only went to a restaurant for one meal per day, so that saved a ton of cash. Even so, I ate will and the most expensive restaurant meal I had was 70 euro for two people.

In general I found that people in Paris were far friendlier than expected and I did not encounter any of the stereotypical rudeness that Paris is notorious for (YMMV). The streets are clean, however they smell like piss due to the lack of public washrooms (they do have green public bathrooms that look like portables, but they do a cleaning cycle between each user so the line takes forever). The subway was cheap too. I think I bought a weekly pass for about 10 euro.....
 
2013-08-22 11:06:23 AM

Grither: meanmutton: Ha, no.  New York is a shiathole.

True, it's no  Ypsilanti, that's for sure!


Too hard to parallel park my crewcab F350 in Manhattan.  shiathole.
 
2013-08-22 11:08:00 AM

minoridiot: Disney-Paris isn't located in Paris.


But all of Europe is like Disneyland.
 
2013-08-22 11:10:22 AM

Sybarite: From my experience, people were friendlier in London but the women were hotter in Paris. Stockholm pretty much buried both on the latter metric.


Pictures or it did not happen.
 
2013-08-22 11:15:58 AM
There's nothing like an unshaven, unbathed French woman on the Metro in summer.
Blah.
Paris.
Never going back, probably.
 
2013-08-22 11:22:45 AM

minoridiot: Don't mention this to the Londoners, but the Tower was built by the French.


Yeh, don't, because they might point out it was built by the Normans. Then it'll kick off a whole discussion over whether the Normans were Frankish enough to be construed as "French" today. Let's skip that, though, because the ultimate answer is no.
 
2013-08-22 11:23:58 AM

cptjeff: That size thing was moronic, but I don't think it corrupted the other stats


It may not have corrupted it, but it was indicative of their methodology, which was wide-net London, narrow-net Paris.  So, Paris got the price of dining at the most expensive restaurant in Paris vs. London got an average price for the whole city, including 4p chippie wagons of ill repute.  Likewise, with museums, they listed free as the cost of most museums in London, but quotes a price for what they admit are the major museums of Paris.  And the reason many museums for London are free (if they are not actively kidnapping people off the street to force them to view their collection) is that your average museum in London is something along the lines of "The Worshipful Company of Left-Handed Welsh Transvestite Hedgehog-Groomers Museum of Twee Right Front Leg Combs Dating From 5 May 1642 to 7 May 1642".  And even the big museums hit you up for donations and charge a price that is equal or higher to the quoted Paris price to see the featured collections.

CSB: In 2002 I was doing scouting runs for grad research.  There was some small chance I would need some stuff from the V&A library.  So I trundle in to see what the requirements for perusing the collection were.  This wasn't even "I want to do research in your collection"; this was "I want to know what I need to do to get permission to do research in your collection".  Despite this, the older gent manning the door was adamant I needed to sign The Book.  It gets the capitals because this thing was farking massive and probably dated back to at least the War of the Roses.  I felt like I was desecrating some holy relic by scrawling my name in it - but when some codger with the glassy-eyed smile of a deranged cultist is standing between you and the door, you sign.  In the same way, the lady behind the counter was just short of snatching my letter of recommendation out of my hand and filling out the form herself to get me in* - they actually made me spend about 15 minutes scanning their catalog before I could leave. I had a funny feeling they got very few visitors.

*CSB2:  In comparison, the art library for the British Museum wouldn't accept the letter I had, but told me they would send a mailed letter to my university in the States so my professor could print out the exact letter I had on my person and send it back - at which point, it would be 4-6 weeks before they could process the application to use the collection.  Interestingly, they too made me spend time perusing their catalog before I could beat a hasty retreat.
 
2013-08-22 11:33:36 AM
No need to go to Europe at all. Disney World has very nice UK & France pavilions that accurately recreate the experience of visiting both places. Not to mention the lovely Canada pavilion.

/been top both cities multiple times. I'll take london. still haven't scratched the surface of the v&a.
 
2013-08-22 11:34:59 AM

minoridiot: Don't mention this to the Londoners, but the Tower was built by the French.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Willy an outcast in France?
 
2013-08-22 11:39:12 AM

Sudlow: No need to go to Europe at all. Disney World has very nice UK & France pavilions that accurately recreate the experience of visiting both places. Not to mention the lovely Canada pavilion.


8/10 almost got me.
 
2013-08-22 11:42:48 AM

vudukungfu: Grither: Meh, NYC beats them both.

And at lease the cities of Vermont can manage their garbage and sewage.
Unlike NYC.


Cities in Vermont? How cute. Vermont has less than 1/10th of the population of NYC.
 
2013-08-22 11:44:45 AM
Been to both, Madrid is better in every way. As is Berchesgarden (even with the eagles nest).
 
2013-08-22 11:46:58 AM

tricycleracer: Grither: meanmutton: Ha, no.  New York is a shiathole.

True, it's no  Ypsilanti, that's for sure!

Too hard to parallel park my crewcab F350 in Manhattan.  shiathole.


there is plenty of room in the east river for a vehicle like that
 
2013-08-22 11:47:22 AM

phalamir: Likewise, with museums, they listed free as the cost of most museums in London, but quotes a price for what they admit are the major museums of Paris.  And the reason many museums for London are free (if they are not actively kidnapping people off the street to force them to view their collection) is that your average museum in London is something along the lines of "The Worshipful Company of Left-Handed Welsh Transvestite Hedgehog-Groomers Museum of Twee Right Front Leg Combs Dating From 5 May 1642 to 7 May 1642".


Swing and a miss.

A lot of the museums in London are free because they owned by the State, which decided that admittance to State museums would be free. It's a lot like the Smithsonian in the US and includes a similar level of museums.
 
2013-08-22 11:49:08 AM
They compared the average price of a meal in London to the price of a meal at a single exclusive Parisian restaurant.Until about 1995 the food in all of England was inedible unless you went to the local Indian or Pakistani place.  Only the emigration of 300,000 French to London has made the restaurant scene interesting.
 
2013-08-22 11:55:15 AM

phalamir: It may not have corrupted it, but it was indicative of their methodology, which was wide-net London, narrow-net Paris.


I read it as being indicative of their methodology, which was schizophrenic and crappy with no understanding of the basic underlying data reflected in the statistic they were using. I wouldn't call it biased towards any particular PoV, I would just call it bad. Have trouble finding an average meal price in Paris? Just put a really pricey one there, nobody will notice it's an invalid comparison, right? And is the London average the average of every restaurant's average entree, or the average price of all entrees served, which would be a much more useful measure? I bet if you asked the person who made that graphic, he/she would give you a blank stare. It's an infographic, light on the info and heavy on the graphic. A design project done by somebody without real research skills.
 
2013-08-22 12:01:11 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: whosits_112: tricycleracer: They speak English in London.  Advantage: London.

The English may have bad teeth, but at least they don't smell of cigarettes and sweat. And I can understand them. Agreed. Advantage: London

Somebody's never been to the East End.


Cor blimey!
 
2013-08-22 12:02:07 PM

Carth: Vermont has less than 1/10th of the population of NYC.


Less than 1/1000 of the scum, and less Hepatitis, Herpes, and crime, too.
We do not allow billboards, massage parlors, or dumping in our waterways.
It's illegal to be in the mob up here. It's not looked up at or glamorized. It will get your ass arrested.
the Police aren't corrupt.
We don't have sewers stuffed full of human remains like gay Paris, and we don't have cameras crammed up everyone's asses like London. We don't frisk every black person we see like NYC.
Amazingly, we have a low percentage of homeless people, too.
Our food tucks rock, too.
And our pizza beats yours, too.
 
2013-08-22 12:15:46 PM

vudukungfu: Carth: Vermont has less than 1/10th of the population of NYC.

Less than 1/1000 of the scum, and less Hepatitis, Herpes, and crime, too.
We do not allow billboards, massage parlors, or dumping in our waterways.
It's illegal to be in the mob up here. It's not looked up at or glamorized. It will get your ass arrested.
the Police aren't corrupt.
We don't have sewers stuffed full of human remains like gay Paris, and we don't have cameras crammed up everyone's asses like London. We don't frisk every black person we see like NYC.
Amazingly, we have a low percentage of homeless people, too.
Our food tucks rock, too.
And our pizza beats yours, too.


Having studied at Middlebury you really need to get out more. VT has some great outdoors activities but not much else.  Even the hiking, cycling, camping and skiing doesn't compare to what you find in Montana or Colorado. Vermont is a cute little state but doesn't offer anything you can't find better somewhere else.
 
2013-08-22 12:16:34 PM

Hawnkee: The only Xenophobe that mattered:
[farm1.static.flickr.com image 375x500]


Dr Quack FTW
 
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