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(Stuff.co.nz)   A dentist wants to clone John Lennon. Yea, you read that right   (stuff.co.nz) divider line 41
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2013-08-22 08:04:44 AM  
He should clone Paul, those teeth haven't stopped growing.
 
2013-08-22 08:11:36 AM  
Well, you picked the appropriate tag at least.
 
2013-08-22 08:12:22 AM  
Then Mozart, Napoleon, Hitler, and Jesus.

........what do you mean this slope is 90 degrees and covered in ice
 
2013-08-22 08:13:28 AM  
Well, it'd be better than cloning some nobody.
 
2013-08-22 08:27:27 AM  
Imagine there's no cavities.
 
2013-08-22 08:28:07 AM  
Evil farking dentists.
 
2013-08-22 08:59:35 AM  
All we are saying, is give teeth a chance.
 
2013-08-22 09:13:41 AM  

basemetal: Evil farking dentists.


I was wondering how long before an anti-dentite showed up.
 
2013-08-22 09:27:46 AM  

DECMATH: Imagine there's no cavities.


It's easy if you try.
 
2013-08-22 09:57:27 AM  
The idea of cloning someone (for their mind) is stupid.  If you take an athlete it makes sense to a certain extent, but if they cloned Lennon they would end up with someone that looks like Lennon, but that's about it.  His brain, thought processes, etc. that made him the person he was would not be there.

People and their personalities are the sum of their life experiences, not just DNA.
 
2013-08-22 10:11:59 AM  

mjbok: The idea of cloning someone (for their mind) is stupid.  If you take an athlete it makes sense to a certain extent, but if they cloned Lennon they would end up with someone that looks like Lennon, but that's about it.  His brain, thought processes, etc. that made him the person he was would not be there.

People and their personalities are the sum of their life experiences, not just DNA.


Exactly! Unless they did some kind of Boys from Brazil thing (Boys from Liverpool?) and raised him just like the original Lennon, they won't get anybody close.
 
2013-08-22 10:12:28 AM  

mjbok: The idea of cloning someone (for their mind) is stupid.  If you take an athlete it makes sense to a certain extent, but if they cloned Lennon they would end up with someone that looks like Lennon, but that's about it.  His brain, thought processes, etc. that made him the person he was would not be there.

People and their personalities are the sum of their life experiences, not just DNA.


Doesn't really even make sense for an athlete, though it makes a BIT of sense as genetics might make them a more favorable candidate for athlete, but you still need years of physical training and such.  And in some cases (gymnastics, things like that) a lot of mental training as well.
 
2013-08-22 10:35:37 AM  
How does subby know I read that right?

Adonis wants to be alone with Vladimir Lenin.

I don't think that's right.
 
2013-08-22 10:37:19 AM  

nekom: oesn't really even make sense for an athlete, though it makes a BIT of sense as genetics might make them a more favorable candidate for athlete, but you still need years of physical training and such. And in some cases (gymnastics, things like that) a lot of mental training as well.


Don't want to get into a Jimmy the Greek thing, but there are some genetic traits that would be beneficial about cloning someone with a natural talent.
 
2013-08-22 10:47:17 AM  

mjbok: nekom: oesn't really even make sense for an athlete, though it makes a BIT of sense as genetics might make them a more favorable candidate for athlete, but you still need years of physical training and such. And in some cases (gymnastics, things like that) a lot of mental training as well.

Don't want to get into a Jimmy the Greek thing, but there are some genetic traits that would be beneficial about cloning someone with a natural talent.


Are you saying that some people were bred a certain way similar to horses and such?
 
2013-08-22 11:10:20 AM  
www.broodingdetective.com

CLONING DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY
 
2013-08-22 11:42:23 AM  

roughridersfan: Exactly! Unless they did some kind of Boys from Brazil thing (Boys from Liverpool?) and raised him just like the original Lennon, they won't get anybody close.


Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
 
2013-08-22 11:45:25 AM  

roughridersfan: mjbok: The idea of cloning someone (for their mind) is stupid.  If you take an athlete it makes sense to a certain extent, but if they cloned Lennon they would end up with someone that looks like Lennon, but that's about it.  His brain, thought processes, etc. that made him the person he was would not be there.

People and their personalities are the sum of their life experiences, not just DNA.

Exactly! Unless they did some kind of Boys from Brazil thing (Boys from Liverpool?) and raised him just like the original Lennon, they won't get anybody close.


Why would you believe that? It makes great science fiction and a hell of a good book, but fact is, he'd probably be Lennon again with updated music. Sure his influences would be different, but as far as brain chemistry goes. He'd be indentical. So, he'd feel the same, react the same. He'd been Lennon.
 
2013-08-22 12:28:33 PM  
I'd want to do it just to freak out Paul and Ringo and Yoko.

Now here are some Beatle toofies.

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2013-08-22 12:40:20 PM  

indarwinsshadow: Why would you believe that? It makes great science fiction and a hell of a good book, but fact is, he'd probably be Lennon again with updated music. Sure his influences would be different, but as far as brain chemistry goes. He'd be indentical. So, he'd feel the same, react the same. He'd been Lennon.


No he wouldn't.  Why?  His experiences altered who he was personally.  His use of LSD and other substances altered his brain chemistry.  Even if he did LSD again, it would be a variant and the effects would be different.
 
2013-08-22 01:14:12 PM  

roughridersfan: mjbok: The idea of cloning someone (for their mind) is stupid.  If you take an athlete it makes sense to a certain extent, but if they cloned Lennon they would end up with someone that looks like Lennon, but that's about it.  His brain, thought processes, etc. that made him the person he was would not be there.

People and their personalities are the sum of their life experiences, not just DNA.

Exactly! Unless they did some kind of Boys from Brazil thing (Boys from Liverpool?) and raised him just like the original Lennon, they won't get anybody close.



If they cloned John Lennon, but raised him exactly like Hitler, that would really freak people out.
 
2013-08-22 01:17:30 PM  

mjbok: indarwinsshadow: Why would you believe that? It makes great science fiction and a hell of a good book, but fact is, he'd probably be Lennon again with updated music. Sure his influences would be different, but as far as brain chemistry goes. He'd be indentical. So, he'd feel the same, react the same. He'd been Lennon.

No he wouldn't.  Why?  His experiences altered who he was personally.  His use of LSD and other substances altered his brain chemistry.  Even if he did LSD again, it would be a variant and the effects would be different.


You are, who you are. Now and forever. Unless something changes your brain, like an accident, the pathways in your brain that construct your personality are what they are. You can store new info, experience new ideas and emotions, but how you react and interpret remains intact throughout your life.
LSD or anything else doesn't change the personality behind it. You'd need a structural change within the brain to alter the base personality. A destruction by tumour for instance.

Kind of a moot argument either way unless they conduct an experiment on a higher life form.
 
2013-08-22 01:21:28 PM  

indarwinsshadow: mjbok: indarwinsshadow: Why would you believe that? It makes great science fiction and a hell of a good book, but fact is, he'd probably be Lennon again with updated music. Sure his influences would be different, but as far as brain chemistry goes. He'd be indentical. So, he'd feel the same, react the same. He'd been Lennon.

No he wouldn't.  Why?  His experiences altered who he was personally.  His use of LSD and other substances altered his brain chemistry.  Even if he did LSD again, it would be a variant and the effects would be different.

You are, who you are. Now and forever. Unless something changes your brain, like an accident, the pathways in your brain that construct your personality are what they are. You can store new info, experience new ideas and emotions, but how you react and interpret remains intact throughout your life.
LSD or anything else doesn't change the personality behind it. You'd need a structural change within the brain to alter the base personality. A destruction by tumour for instance.

Kind of a moot argument either way unless they conduct an experiment on a higher life form.


Let's assume they can make a perfect genetic copy of John Lennon, but once he's fully incubated, they don't teach him English, but raise him speaking Mandarin.  Will he be the same guy?
 
2013-08-22 02:39:27 PM  
Why would you want to clone a guy who beat women?
/Peace and Love until you mouth off again.
 
2013-08-22 02:54:17 PM  
And remember that test-tube babies will be born horribly malformed, and with no soul.

//You guys are channeling the idiots of the 1970s.
 
2013-08-22 02:58:00 PM  

ikanreed: And remember that test-tube babies will be born horribly malformed, and with no soul.

//You guys are channeling the idiots of the 1970s.


I'm not. I just don't think a guy who beat women should be cloned.
 
2013-08-22 03:16:49 PM  

ikanreed: And remember that test-tube babies will be born horribly malformed, and with no soul.

//You guys are channeling the idiots of the 1970s.


Speaking as someone who is horribly malformed and has no soul, I have to say I don't know what you're talking about.
 
2013-08-22 04:03:33 PM  

roughridersfan: mjbok: The idea of cloning someone (for their mind) is stupid.  If you take an athlete it makes sense to a certain extent, but if they cloned Lennon they would end up with someone that looks like Lennon, but that's about it.  His brain, thought processes, etc. that made him the person he was would not be there.

People and their personalities are the sum of their life experiences, not just DNA.

Exactly! Unless they did some kind of Boys from Brazil thing (Boys from Liverpool?) and raised him just like the original Lennon, they won't get anybody close.


Absent mother, missing father, and raised by his aunt? Sounds foolproof to me!

/not to mention that the culture he grew up in is looonnngg gone
//where are the old blues and rockabilly records he and Paul would try to emulate?
 
2013-08-22 04:14:15 PM  

FloydA: indarwinsshadow: mjbok: indarwinsshadow: Why would you believe that? It makes great science fiction and a hell of a good book, but fact is, he'd probably be Lennon again with updated music. Sure his influences would be different, but as far as brain chemistry goes. He'd be indentical. So, he'd feel the same, react the same. He'd been Lennon.

No he wouldn't.  Why?  His experiences altered who he was personally.  His use of LSD and other substances altered his brain chemistry.  Even if he did LSD again, it would be a variant and the effects would be different.

You are, who you are. Now and forever. Unless something changes your brain, like an accident, the pathways in your brain that construct your personality are what they are. You can store new info, experience new ideas and emotions, but how you react and interpret remains intact throughout your life.
LSD or anything else doesn't change the personality behind it. You'd need a structural change within the brain to alter the base personality. A destruction by tumour for instance.

Kind of a moot argument either way unless they conduct an experiment on a higher life form.

Let's assume they can make a perfect genetic copy of John Lennon, but once he's fully incubated, they don't teach him English, but raise him speaking Mandarin.  Will he be the same guy?


Seems like a non starter. You're talking language abilities, I'm talking core personality. The you that is you. He'd be a Chinese talking John Lennon. He'd probably hate Yoko though, so there is that.
 
2013-08-22 04:37:05 PM  

indarwinsshadow: FloydA:

Let's assume they can make a perfect genetic copy of John Lennon, but once he's fully incubated, they don't teach him English, but raise him speaking Mandarin.  Will he be the same guy?

Seems like a non starter. You're talking language abilities, I'm talking core personality. The you that is you. He'd be a Chinese talking John Lennon. He'd probably hate Yoko though, so there is that.


What is a "core personality," and in what ways does it differ from enculturated/learned preferences and attitudes?  Are there studies demonstrating a genetic basis for "core" personality?  Is there a reliable way to tell whether a personality trait is part of the "core" or the "periphery"?

If John Lennon's dad had been around when he was a kid, and helped to raise him, would Lennon have been the same guy?  If Lennon had lost his left hand in a childhood accident, so that he never learned to play guitar, would he have been the same guy?

I don't think this is a "non-starter" question at all.  In fact, it's one of the most interesting questions we can ask about the nature of the "self" and personality.
 
2013-08-22 04:52:18 PM  

A Terrible Human: ikanreed: And remember that test-tube babies will be born horribly malformed, and with no soul.

//You guys are channeling the idiots of the 1970s.

I'm not. I just don't think a guy who beat women should be cloned.


Right, and ex-cons shouldn't be allowed to have children either, right?
 
2013-08-22 05:29:46 PM  
I think John is turning in his damn grave at the idea!  Artists such as Lennon shine through the uniqueness of their own voice and vision.  Cloning him or anyone else would be a sacrilege to their life's work.   http://dregstudiosart.blogspot.com/2011/12/john-lennon-just-imagine.h t ml
 
2013-08-22 05:35:09 PM  
Clone Einstein. Supposedly he had something weird with his think that made him brain gud.
 
2013-08-22 05:54:31 PM  
Clone the Doublemint Twins.  Clone the Dionne Quintuplets!
 
2013-08-22 05:57:00 PM  

FloydA: indarwinsshadow: FloydA:

Let's assume they can make a perfect genetic copy of John Lennon, but once he's fully incubated, they don't teach him English, but raise him speaking Mandarin.  Will he be the same guy?

Seems like a non starter. You're talking language abilities, I'm talking core personality. The you that is you. He'd be a Chinese talking John Lennon. He'd probably hate Yoko though, so there is that.

What is a "core personality," and in what ways does it differ from enculturated/learned preferences and attitudes?  Are there studies demonstrating a genetic basis for "core" personality?  Is there a reliable way to tell whether a personality trait is part of the "core" or the "periphery"?

If John Lennon's dad had been around when he was a kid, and helped to raise him, would Lennon have been the same guy?  If Lennon had lost his left hand in a childhood accident, so that he never learned to play guitar, would he have been the same guy?

I don't think this is a "non-starter" question at all.  In fact, it's one of the most interesting questions we can ask about the nature of the "self" and personality.


You're projecting. Why would he be different if his dad were around? I keep saying personality is brain chemistry, you keep talking about "if's". IF he'd been 3 feet tall would he still be John Lennon? IF he played banjo instead of guitar would he still be John Lennon? IF he'd shown a flair for dentistry instead of music, would he still be John Lennon?
Of course he would. Nothing changes. Sure, everyone is made up of experiences. But...oh screw it. This is pointless. The guy is dead. If they can bring him back as a banjo playing, midget dentist all the more power to science.
What a numb nuts argument. It's all friggin conjecture until someone actually does it.
 
2013-08-22 06:19:57 PM  
People already shooting down this idea?
 
2013-08-22 09:55:58 PM  
Already been done.

/it took this long before he was brought up?
 
2013-08-23 10:25:28 AM  
He said: Love, LOVE me tooth.
 
2013-08-23 11:19:41 AM  

ikanreed: Right, and ex-cons shouldn't be allowed to have children either, right?


All the ex cons I know have kids and are great parents. A man who beats a women is a piece of shiat no matter how much music he put out. fark Lennon and fark anyone who apologizes for his actions.
 
2013-08-23 11:40:59 AM  
Technically, would he be a clone or a ghola?

Just saying.
 
2013-08-23 12:03:09 PM  

indarwinsshadow: You're projecting. Why would he be different if his dad were around? I keep saying personality is brain chemistry, you keep talking about "if's". IF he'd been 3 feet tall would he still be John Lennon? IF he played banjo instead of guitar would he still be John Lennon? IF he'd shown a flair for dentistry instead of music, would he still be John Lennon?
Of course he would. Nothing changes. Sure, everyone is made up of experiences. But...oh screw it. This is pointless. The guy is dead. If they can bring him back as a banjo playing, midget dentist all the more power to science.
What a numb nuts argument. It's all friggin conjecture until someone actually does it.


So you fall firmly in the nature part of the nature/nuture question.  I don't think you could be more wrong in your assumptions, but it's theoretical and we're all entitled to our opinions.

You are not born with a set personality.  Your brain (and your personality) develop over time.
 
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