If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(The New York Times)   Japanese firms attempt to bore unwanted employees into quitting voluntarily. Fark: by giving them subby's dream job   (nytimes.com) divider line 126
    More: Strange, Japanese, Japan, Jefferies & Company, Osaka University, boredom, Sendai, law of similars, layoffs  
•       •       •

15456 clicks; posted to Main » on 22 Aug 2013 at 9:17 AM (48 weeks ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



126 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | » | Last | Show all
 
2013-08-22 12:33:05 PM

misanthropic1: dmaestaz: If Sony were smart, send those employees to work in a call center. That will suck the life out of them and make them want to quit.

/works in a call center
//got lucky and work for AT&T business solutions
///If I got sent to AT&T wireless collections and billings, I would have quit already


How long from the time you clock out till you start drinking?

/will take to pulling bank heists before I go back to call center work


Wait, you're supposed to clock out before you start drinking? I just keep my booze in a water bottle and stay sauced all day! It also helps to play drinking games during boring meetings at least until I fall out of my chair and puke on the conference room table.
 
2013-08-22 12:34:25 PM
Somebody introduce these poor schmucks to FARK, STAT.
 
2013-08-22 12:37:07 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: These are key points. Over the long term, our economy has benefited relative to Europe and Japan's by being more flexible. Europeans and Japanese are much more reluctant to hire new people when demand increases because it is so much more difficult to let them go when it becomes necessary.

Paying people to do nothing or to do something that is worth less than you are paying them is detrimental to the economy.


I thought that a gigantic part of the problem with the current "recovery" was that companies are refusing to hire, despite the relatively lenient American labor laws. Company owners and managers would rather extract a larger profit than grow the company when demand soars, as they figure they can extract 60 hour work weeks from the salaried and scared while they have everyone do three peoples' jobs until the mental breakdown.

This attitude has caused turnaround to go through the roof this year at the company I'm at now. They're probably still mystified as to why they can't keep full-timers and have to call in consultants.
 
2013-08-22 12:37:37 PM

mediablitz: evilmousse: Hmm. I think I'd hire out of that room. The ones that use that opportunity to better themselves and seek employment where they can contribute are clearly motivated. The ones that are complacent with the situation are clearly just about doing the minimum to get by.

The American view isn't the only view.

You'd also drop those people from the payroll for no good reason, with no notice. As long as the bottom line improved.

The last company I had any loyalty to was Adobe. I routinely told my employees their FAMILY comes first, not the company. Your approach confirms that.


What?

What is the american view and how does it relate to my comment?

Who are the people I'd drop for no good reason and no notice, and what did I say that lead you to that very inaccurate attempt at reading my mind?

Absolutely family should come first, hell even in a family business.

I think you misunderstood my motivations as profit oriented. I just want to leave this world feeling like I've given more than I've taken. While comfortable, a life paid to do nothing would be unsatisfying.
 
2013-08-22 12:37:38 PM

Silly_Sot: Anything else is childish naivete.


I once had a worker complain to me about a decision I made, "All this company cares about is money!"  My response was, "Well yeah. Why do you come to work?"
 
2013-08-22 12:38:22 PM
www.haro-online.com

Ashamed it took this long for a "Fear and Trembling" reference.  I'll reprint that report, again.
 
2013-08-22 12:40:41 PM

mediablitz: Egoy3k: Honestly it seems like all you labor theorists haven't actually worked in a real job and have no understanding of the fact that as unfortunate as it is sometimes people get laid off. Life happens

More often than not, the layoff has ZERO to do with how well the person was doing their job. Saying "hey, shiat happens!" shows the American mentality towards workers as sub-human. Easily tossed aside.

But boy oh boy, leave a job with no notice, and what a horrible person you are, leaving the company stuck like that!

It's amazing how well corporate America has brainwashed so many. And you hear the "older" generation biatching about how Gen X'ers don't have the "work ethic" anymore. That's because they have seen the crap stain that is "corporate honesty", and don't fall for the "be loyal to your company" bullshiat.


Yeah that's why it's called a layoff. If it was a problem with the employee then it would be called getting fired.  What greater good are you looking for here exactly? Companies going out of business and all of their employees losing their jobs isn't exactly a bright utopian future.
 
2013-08-22 12:41:05 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Sony also said that it offered workers early retirement packages that are generous by American standards: in 2010, it promised severance payments equivalent to as much as 54 months of pay.

4 1/2 years of severance pay. That does seem like a pretty generous offer, to me.


4 1/2 years of Severance

or

"Work" till retirement at full pay, and be a "lifer"
 
2013-08-22 12:49:07 PM
Alienzushi:

/ headhunter in Japan & APAC
// living in Tokyo for over 12 yrs
/// advise gaijin CEOs about the labor laws


Do you mind if I contact you through your posted info or LinkedIn?

I'm in IT/Marketing and looking to relocate (family is in Japan).
 
2013-08-22 12:52:29 PM

evilmousse


I think you misunderstood my motivations as profit oriented. I just want to leave this world feeling like I've given more than I've taken. While comfortable, a life paid to do nothing would be unsatisfying.


It would, if you judged your worth only by what you do while on the clock. The other 16 hours of the day are yours to go do something better.


Frankly I wouldn't enjoy it either.
 
2013-08-22 12:56:46 PM

Carn: Holy fark!  They let you sit there and surf all day?  You still get paid?  Do they not let you pee or something?  I'm not seeing the downside here.



You would think it would be all upside but I'm here to let you all know that it's really not. In my early 20s I got a job through an agency at St. Elizabeth's doing some filing. It was a 6 month assignment because there was an office who hadn't filed shiat in like 5 years and they assumed it would take a significant amount of time for someone to put it in all order. I went in and had everything filed by lunch on my third day. On the fourth day, I put together a little color coded system to help them identify what year a file was from. They were so impressed that instead of trying to send me bak to the agency they kept me on as a file room clerk to basically retreive files when they needed them. Difficulty: Nobody ever needed a file.

The file room was a windowless...file room. It was just what you'd expect it to look like. It wasn't just in the basement, but it was also down a hall and around another corner from the office where everyone else worked.

From the beginning of my second week until the end of the assignment, I had a routine. I would come in around 9ish, turn on sportstalk radio and read the Washington Post online...Metro section, Sports section, and Front page, in that order. Then, I would surf the web for...whatever (except porn). I would literally sit at the computer, think of a topic, and just search eveything related to it. Dog fights. Videos of people falling down. The Civil War. UFOs. That's actually how I found FARK.  I would do this until 11:35, when I would take my lunch. Leaving at 11:35 allowed me to eat a sandwich, smoke a blunt in the car, and get back in time for the start of the Jim Rome Show at noon. Rome and more internet would get me to 3pm. 3 - 5 was always a bit rocky because I hated the guy who hosted the sportstalk show i that spot on the station I listened too. I'd write stories. Plan finances and vacations. Read books that I brought from home. It was all good...for a while.

I'd say it really started to become a problem about two months in. I was getting restless. God forbid Jim Rome had a guest host because I'd be bored out of my mind. I had very limited interaction with anyone for a majority of the day. I'd be happy as shiat to hear someone coming down the hall just so that I could get a few minutes of conversation, and I'm one of the most introverted people I know. I was going stir crazy. In late February, when I had about a month and a half left on the assignment, I started calling my friend's brother (who owns a landscaping company) to see when they were going to complete the winter break and get back to work. I was so bored, I would rather have done hard, manual labor than sit in that room staring at the computer. It seems weird, but that is not a dream job.
 
2013-08-22 01:15:26 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: evilmousse

I think you misunderstood my motivations as profit oriented. I just want to leave this world feeling like I've given more than I've taken. While comfortable, a life paid to do nothing would be unsatisfying.


It would, if you judged your worth only by what you do while on the clock. The other 16 hours of the day are yours to go do something better.


Frankly I wouldn't enjoy it either.


No, I don't think that's true "only by what you do on the clock." Even if I drew the greatest personal satisfaction from after-work activities, I'd look at being paid to do nothing as a waste, when there are opportunities to do better.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't look the gift horse in the mouth: better opportunities take time and effort to find. I'd gladly take the pay while doing the same studying and jobsearching I'd have to do if let go.
 
2013-08-22 01:20:53 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Carn: Holy fark!  They let you sit there and surf all day?  You still get paid?  Do they not let you pee or something?  I'm not seeing the downside here.


You would think it would be all upside but I'm here to let you all know that it's really not. In my early 20s I got a job through an agency at St. Elizabeth's doing some filing. It was a 6 month assignment because there was an office who hadn't filed shiat in like 5 years and they assumed it would take a significant amount of time for someone to put it in all order. I went in and had everything filed by lunch on my third day. On the fourth day, I put together a little color coded system to help them identify what year a file was from. They were so impressed that instead of trying to send me bak to the agency they kept me on as a file room clerk to basically retreive files when they needed them. Difficulty: Nobody ever needed a file.

The file room was a windowless...file room. It was just what you'd expect it to look like. It wasn't just in the basement, but it was also down a hall and around another corner from the office where everyone else worked.

From the beginning of my second week until the end of the assignment, I had a routine. I would come in around 9ish, turn on sportstalk radio and read the Washington Post online...Metro section, Sports section, and Front page, in that order. Then, I would surf the web for...whatever (except porn). I would literally sit at the computer, think of a topic, and just search eveything related to it. Dog fights. Videos of people falling down. The Civil War. UFOs. That's actually how I found FARK.  I would do this until 11:35, when I would take my lunch. Leaving at 11:35 allowed me to eat a sandwich, smoke a blunt in the car, and get back in time for the start of the Jim Rome Show at noon. Rome and more internet would get me to 3pm. 3 - 5 was always a bit rocky because I hated the guy who hosted the sportstalk show i that spot on the station I listened too. I'd write stories ...


Ok, I can see it.  What if it was a telecommute?!
 
2013-08-22 01:26:15 PM
Are they untrainable for anything else? Even cleaning up the place, sorting files? Seems like a complete waste of manpower. I know a guy whose job it is just to scan old Air Force records from the lat 40's on up. He will bedoing that for the rest of his life probably.

They should just do what my job does, give the person the shiat work and hope they quit or screw up so they can be fired. A boss I had a few years ago tried to do that to me after I "stabbed him in the back". All I did was show the staff some of the policies that they can use to get around him when he was being a massive dick. He gave me the shiat work and I did it with a smile on my face and thats all I did the shiat work because it was my job nothing else, I no longer killed myself trying to make sure the report was clean at the end of the night or anything else because he said it was no longer my job that place went down the shiatter quick. He dragged me into the office and we had a nice convo:

Devil: Just keep doing what youre doing and you will get fired!
Groppet: What am I doing?
Devil: You know what you are doing, keep doing it and you will be fired!
Groppet: I'm sorry but am I not doing my job correct have their been complaints about my work. As far as I know and have been trained everything is correct.
Devil: You know what you are doing.
Groppet: Sir I am only doing the job you assigned me to and if I am not doing it correctly you should inform me of improvments I can make. (holding back the laughter as he got redder and redder)
Devil: (Very Angry) You know you are setting a bad example and I should fire you for that.
(meanwhile all his buddies he hired sit around doing nothing all day)
Groppet: Sir you havent been clear with me about what you expect maybe we should bring your boss and the client in to discuss what is expected of me.
Devil: Get out!

I went outside and laughed after that he was transfered a few months after that and left mysteriously after that.
 
2013-08-22 01:34:27 PM
potsofclay.files.wordpress.com
It took this long?
 
2013-08-22 01:52:09 PM
Employee unions want lifetime employment?

Sounds good.

Just pair up one of these guys with a union peer. They can share the job and the salary.

No problem.
 
2013-08-22 02:04:54 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: You would think it would be all upside but I'm here to let you all know that it's really not. In my early 20s I got a job through an agency at St. Elizabeth's doing some filing. It was a 6 month assignment because there was an office who hadn't filed shiat in like 5 years and they assumed it would take a significant amount of time for someone to put it in all order. I went in and had everything filed by lunch on my third day. On the fourth day, I put together a little color coded system to help them identify what year a file was from. They were so impressed that instead of trying to send me bak to the agency they kept me on as a file room clerk to basically retreive files when they needed them. Difficulty: Nobody ever needed a file.


This is pretty much my job.  I can do pretty much everything they want me to do in like 25% of the time they expect it to be completed.
 
2013-08-22 02:12:18 PM

rnatalie: My company just outright fired me as the highest paid, most senior employee (having worked there for 23 years).   Essentially I got a phone call while I was on vacation telling me not to come back


At least you have your pension.

/sarcasm
 
2013-08-22 02:50:58 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: I was so bored, I would rather have done hard, manual labor than sit in that room staring at the computer. It seems weird, but that is not a dream job.


See, THAT would've been my dream job because I'm far more of a content creator than a content consumer.  I'd get an awful lot of writing and design done in that room.  To each one's own, I guess.

To reiterate what I said earlier, the problem with slacking off in Japan is that you do it in plain sight and in close proximity to a bunch of people who quietly despise you.  If you have a thick skin you can last a few days, but anyone with a shred of empathy should eventually go insane.
 
2013-08-22 03:28:49 PM

meat0918: pkellmey: Sin_City_Superhero: Sony also said that it offered workers early retirement packages that are generous by American standards: in 2010, it promised severance payments equivalent to as much as 54 months of pay.

4 1/2 years of severance pay. That does seem like a pretty generous offer, to me.

Wow, I've never worked for a large corporation that offered anywhere near that much severance. Good for them.

I have a strong suspicion that in an American Sony office, nothing of the sort would be offered.  In fact, you'd probably be lucky to be an actual Sony employee, rather than a contract or otherwise temporary worker.


I was an actually Sony employee (Sony Online Entertainment).  I worked there two separate times, once for 6 years, then 3 years later for 14 months.  The second stint i was laid off.  3 months severance and 3 months health benefits.  It was pretty good considering I was only back on for 14 months.
 
2013-08-22 03:56:41 PM

rattchett: The quick and the redundant.   First and first loser.  Ha.  What a shameful day ds_4815 must be having.  To go from witty to redundant in the span of one second.  If samurai had the internet, I bet what happened to you would be grounds for committing seppuku.


But there was TIME now!
 
2013-08-22 04:13:44 PM
If they were smart they'd start taking pages from the Koreans and start farming currencies in games. Get paid while getting paid.
 
2013-08-22 05:51:04 PM
I do very little for long stretches. It is excruciating. If I was paid less I'd quit - but isn't how things go for most jobs? I get paid well because it sucks.
 
2013-08-23 04:02:31 AM

dragonchild: The main downside is that you're ostracized by your peers. If you're not pulling your weight that's more work for the rest of us, and that makes you very unpopular, very quickly. I know a lot of Farkers don't mind being despised but one other thing to consider is that Japan doesn't use offices or cubicles. You're in a room full of people who ignore you, and mind you the Japanese often don't make much base pay so they have to work overtime to claw their income back up to middle class (they work long hours but they'll often slow down the pace to stretch out the work -- not very efficient). So for 13 hours a day you're essentially experiencing a social form of sensory deprivation even as you're surrounded by people who can see everything you do. If you're not an outright sociopath the experience can get downright excruciating.


Evidently in America, pride in one's work is a concept that has been written out of the equation.  (Both management and labor are to blame.)
 
2013-08-23 10:18:15 AM
Two days a week I work in a nice office and have about 30 minutes of work to do each day. The rest of the time I am free to surf the web, read the paper, talk walks, listen to the radio, whatever I want. When I come home on those two days I am exhausted and usually end up eating dinner and collapsing in bed. Doing that all week would be tough, two days is all I can manage.

/Not complaining
 
2013-08-23 11:36:23 AM
I sense an opportunity - start a Japanese language version of FARK for the  "madogiwa zoku"  - Problem Solved.
 
Displayed 26 of 126 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report