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2013-08-22 06:54:57 AM  
Yeah, I don't think so

Someone forgot to carry a 1 or something
 
2013-08-22 07:27:46 AM  
There are 6 Subways within walking distance from where I work.

There are only 1 starbuck and 1 McDonalds.

It might be even 7 because I think I saw another Subway pop up. Used to be 3 a couple of years ago but they have been growing fast.

Might also be because they look super-easy to put in. Just need a microwave and a toaster oven.
 
2013-08-22 07:30:33 AM  
I'm not surprised. Subway is everywhere.

Around here, there are easily several Subway locations for each McDonalds and Starbucks.
 
2013-08-22 07:37:38 AM  
Curiously while they're quadrupled the number of "restaurants" they've not upped their meat order by a single slice.
 
2013-08-22 07:38:37 AM  
I heard somewhere that the reason there are so many Subways is because there aren't any restrictions on franchisees regarding location. If you pony up the dough, you can put one right next door to an existing one.

Anyone have any evidence with buying a franchise? My understanding is that most of these fast food joints have territories, which is why there aren't so many McD's or whatever
 
2013-08-22 07:47:26 AM  

cman: Yeah, I don't think so

Someone forgot to carry a 1 or something


I believe it. From my house, the distance to the closest McDonald's is roughly the same to three Subways. All totaled there are 9 Subways and 4 McDonald's where I live in a city of about 100k.

They're business model actually needs to have more stores, imagine how long the lines at McD's would be if they made burgers one at a time while the customers picked their ingredients and watched.
 
2013-08-22 07:53:10 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Curiously while they're quadrupled the number of "restaurants" they've not upped their meat order by a single slice.


Last time I was in Subway, the meat was so thin the guy could barely peel off one slice without tearing it. If they put any less meat on their sanwiches they run the risk of everything qualifying as a veggie sub.

Meanwhile at Jason's Deli:

htticket.s3.amazonaws.com
 
2013-08-22 07:55:00 AM  
Subway is like food of last resort for me. I'm never really excited that I'm going to be eating there, more like resolved.
 
2013-08-22 08:00:13 AM  
I wouldn't have guessed it, but I believe it.  At least it's a healthier option than fired lard and concentrated caffeine.
 
2013-08-22 08:01:18 AM  
I'm assuming this is because half of their "restaurants" are grimy little counters wedged into a gas station quickie mart between the chips and the motor oil..
 
2013-08-22 08:03:06 AM  
TFA: People joke about their being a Starbucks or McDonald's on every corner in America.

quality journalism.
 
2013-08-22 08:10:32 AM  

ReapTheChaos: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Curiously while they're quadrupled the number of "restaurants" they've not upped their meat order by a single slice.

Last time I was in Subway, the meat was so thin the guy could barely peel off one slice without tearing it. If they put any less meat on their sanwiches they run the risk of everything qualifying as a veggie sub.

Meanwhile at Jason's Deli:

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it's.............. beautiful!
 
2013-08-22 08:13:27 AM  
Subway restaurants now outnumber McDonald's and Starbucks
 
2013-08-22 08:21:23 AM  
 i have a relative who for 40 years changed what franchise he owned or worked for. his worked with cookies and snacks like potatoe chips and pretzels in supermarkets and convenience stores but the guy was obsessed with all food franchises and some fads thinking he'd find the one that made him a zillionaire. he made some good choices and some bad but he always said subway had far too many locations and they'd give a location to anyone who paid the fees even if the location was a obviously poor choice or infringed on other subways way too close to it. i think he also said subway charges fairly more for supplies since you must use company  supplied napkins, cups, plastic ware etc... for almost any franchise company.
 
2013-08-22 08:34:27 AM  
Subway....that place where you might get a little meat and some wilted lettuce for your overpriced bun. Salmonella free of charge.
 
2013-08-22 08:47:17 AM  
What happened to Quiznos?
 
2013-08-22 08:47:26 AM  
I used to eat lunch at Subway fairly frequently because there was one conveniently located.  I always ordered roast beef with double meat, so that there was actually some meat on the sub.

/Won't go to Subway anymore.
//Hate the dirty knife.
///Don't want the customer before me's sauce/dressing.
////I know I'm picky, but wipe off that farking knife
 
2013-08-22 09:24:02 AM  

Hot Lunch: I heard somewhere that the reason there are so many Subways is because there aren't any restrictions on franchisees regarding location. If you pony up the dough, you can put one right next door to an existing one.


There's that.  But it's also the personnel issues.  One person can keep a Subway open for most of the fourteen hour day.  You need to add two people from 11a-1p (three if it's extremely busy), and one for 5p-7p.  And this is for a full-on standalone restaurant.  One of the counters might need just one person all day long, overlapping for an hour at lunch.  Another is that the floor space requirement is ridiculously small.

It's the ideal immigrant franchise, where you can rely mostly on family labor while getting started.

Compare it with the floor space, equipment, and personnel needed to keep a starbucks open.

cman: Yeah, I don't think so

Someone forgot to carry a 1 or something


Dude, where do you live that there are more McDs and Starbucks than Subway?
 
2013-08-22 09:28:17 AM  
Ah yes, where "Eat Fresh" means scooping up some soaking meat bits from a bin with an ice cream scooper, tossing it in a little paper bowl, and throwing it in a dirty microwave.
 
2013-08-22 09:36:30 AM  

dolphkhan: I'm assuming this is because half of their "restaurants" are grimy little counters wedged into a gas station quickie mart between the chips and the motor oil..


Yep. Subway restaurants don't require much in the way of a "kitchen". Basically just an toaster oven and microwave. You can put that type of place in pretty much any hole in the wall you can find, so it doesn't surprise me that there are a lot more of them than McD's. Starbuck's I'm a little more surprised about, but Subway has a good decade head start on them, and Starbucks generally sticks to more affluent areas, whereas Subway is like a cheap whore that slides in anywhere and everywhere she can.
 
2013-08-22 10:07:12 AM  
Since they started sticking them in gas stations, sure.

Since they diversified their menu to include more hot products I don't know what their equipment is like, but 85% of the capital equipment cost must be in the prep line. And that is relatively cheap compared to outfitting a McDonalds.

This being Dallas, I've had to stop going to Subway out of language barrier frustration. I stopped at a Subway a few blocks from SMU and the Mexican behind the counter had zero english. You know, in a setting that requires telling the person making the food exactly what you want. And yes, I have favorite restaurants where you should bring a native speaker of either Cantonese or Korean, but those are properly ethnic restaurants. I get better english at El Pollo Regio, where I'm "that white guy that comes in". And I can count on salmonella from a mexican run fried chicken joint where the cashier can't call out "seventy-six" and SHE's the one with the best english skills.

/srsly, a bunch of people waiting for togo orders and she got stuck on "seventy...." as if she didn't know there was more to say
//I suspect if I learned enough spanish to order I'd get free food.
 
2013-08-22 10:08:30 AM  
Every now and then I'll get a veggie sub from Subway. If I want lunchmeat, I'll go to an actual deli.
 
2013-08-22 10:09:08 AM  
... and they still suck.
 
2013-08-22 10:18:58 AM  
Thankfully, our little college town has a lot of sandwich-shop options.  Jimmy Johns (still the best BBQ flavor potatoe chips, ever), Jersey Mike's (good for hot subs), and a host of other non-franchised restaurants all within a few blocks' walk.  There are a few Subway's too, but if I want stale meat and wilted lettuce, I can look in the back of my fridge.
 
2013-08-22 10:32:10 AM  
I'm not surprised. I just got back from a 2700 mile road trip around the American southwest, and we saw Subways everywhere. It became a joke of the trip -- every little town, every interstate exit had at least one Subway. As we were turning into Bryce Canyon National Park, the first thing my kid said was "Oh, cool, they have a Subway!".
 
2013-08-22 10:35:36 AM  

ReapTheChaos: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Curiously while they're quadrupled the number of "restaurants" they've not upped their meat order by a single slice.

Last time I was in Subway, the meat was so thin the guy could barely peel off one slice without tearing it. If they put any less meat on their sanwiches they run the risk of everything qualifying as a veggie sub.

Meanwhile at Jason's Deli:

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"I love sandwiches. Sandwiches are easy to eat, but I hate sandwiches at New York delis; too much farkin' meat on the sandwich. It's like a cow with a cracker on either side. Walk in, order a pastrami sandwich. "Alright, anything else?" Yeah, a loaf of bread and some other people! "

/RIP Mitch
 
2013-08-22 10:42:22 AM  

oh_please: ReapTheChaos: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Curiously while they're quadrupled the number of "restaurants" they've not upped their meat order by a single slice.

Last time I was in Subway, the meat was so thin the guy could barely peel off one slice without tearing it. If they put any less meat on their sanwiches they run the risk of everything qualifying as a veggie sub.

Meanwhile at Jason's Deli:

[htticket.s3.amazonaws.com image 597x448]

"I love sandwiches. Sandwiches are easy to eat, but I hate sandwiches at New York delis; too much farkin' meat on the sandwich. It's like a cow with a cracker on either side. Walk in, order a pastrami sandwich. "Alright, anything else?" Yeah, a loaf of bread and some other people! "

/RIP Mitch


Ducks eat for free at Subway!
 
2013-08-22 10:54:25 AM  

Doc Daneeka: Ducks eat for free at Subway!


I forgot about that one, good catch.
 
2013-08-22 10:58:02 AM  

doczoidberg: What happened to Quiznos?


Quiznos pissed off their franchisees by absolutely raping them over the cost of paper goods, cups, etc.   There were a few other things as well, but it's primarily corporate pissing off franchisees.

Subway reminds me of Beef o'Brady's.   NO ONE goes out the door wanting to go to Beef O'Brady's.   It's one of those places that you end up at because every other restaurant is closed/full/or you're otherwise unable to go somewhere else.
 
2013-08-22 11:00:15 AM  

Hot Lunch: I heard somewhere that the reason there are so many Subways is because there aren't any restrictions on franchisees regarding location. If you pony up the dough, you can put one right next door to an existing one.

Anyone have any evidence with buying a franchise? My understanding is that most of these fast food joints have territories, which is why there aren't so many McD's or whatever


I got indirectly involved in some Yum! territory stuff back in 2003, and yes, this is true (for at least the one I was involved in). Out here in Maine, we had a KFC/Taco Bell in Old Town on the town line to Orono, and another one in Brewer, about 15 miles away. The entire city of Bangor couldn't have a single KFC/Taco Bell in its city limits because the locations were precisely placed to overlap the city almost entirely. There was (and is) a stand alone KFC off Hogan Road in Bangor, but I think it was either grandfathered in, or considered a different restaurant.

A few years later one went up on Broadway, Bangor anyway. Different owner, so technically different franchise. I have no idea what changed, or if someone convinced people that they're missing a huge potential market or the like. I also likely didn't have all the information, as in territories were only valid for so many years after construction or the like.
 
2013-08-22 11:05:28 AM  
You can't operate just ONE Subway franchise location and make a decent living.
You find this out AFTER you open the first one. Then they tell you to open another one "nearby" to compensate for that and the same mind-set that got you there in the first place makes you open a second one.

THAT is why there are so many of these things, yet their revenue is so low per location.

/read an article about this someplace about how this worked, looking for it now...
 
2013-08-22 11:09:09 AM  
The McDonalds in the Eden Prairie, MN mall recently closed down. I have never in my life see a McDonalds close down. I suspect they were profitable, just not profitable enough, especially since there's a full size McD's right next to the mall parking lot.
 
2013-08-22 11:11:47 AM  
I like Subway.  I like Subway because of the vegetables.
 
2013-08-22 11:25:01 AM  
Wow I must live in a different world, the Subways near me always have excellent veggies and they put what seems to me to be a proper amount of meat on.

I like going there because you can really fine-tune the sammich and get it healthy.

I think they've also lowered their prices or something recently too, a full-size sammich is like 6 bucks or something.

So anyway...yeah I live on a different planet.
 
2013-08-22 11:58:55 AM  
My little slice of Montana has 3 Subways, 2 McDonalds and 1 Starbucks

One of the two Quiznos is going out of biz. Wouldn't be surprised to see a Subway take its place.
 
2013-08-22 11:58:59 AM  
Meanwhile, 18 years ago... this was still "old enough news" to be used as a joke in an Ace Ventura sequel.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-22 12:01:48 PM  

tillerman35: Thankfully, our little college town has a lot of sandwich-shop options.  Jimmy Johns (still the best BBQ flavor potatoe chips, ever), Jersey Mike's (good for hot subs), and a host of other non-franchised restaurants all within a few blocks' walk.  There are a few Subway's too, but if I want stale meat and wilted lettuce, I can look in the back of my fridge.


Jimmy Johns isn't a franchise? One just opened here. I thought it was a franchise.
 
2013-08-22 12:15:31 PM  

Barfmaker: Wow I must live in a different world, the Subways near me always have excellent veggies and they put what seems to me to be a proper amount of meat on.


Americans in general have a really skewed idea of sandwiches.  You don't need to have a pound and a half of meat in there.

It's one aspect of our overall loss of understanding of proper portion sizes.  Which, I believe, is the root cause of the obesity problem.  Our problem isn't what we eat.  We just eat too damn much of everything.
 
2013-08-22 12:28:59 PM  

Doc Daneeka: Barfmaker: Wow I must live in a different world, the Subways near me always have excellent veggies and they put what seems to me to be a proper amount of meat on.

Americans in general have a really skewed idea of sandwiches.  You don't need to have a pound and a half of meat in there.

It's one aspect of our overall loss of understanding of proper portion sizes.  Which, I believe, is the root cause of the obesity problem.  Our problem isn't what we eat.  We just eat too damn much of everything.


Portion size comparison

The large soda when I was a kid is now the small soda at McDonalds...
 
2013-08-22 01:21:58 PM  

basemetal: I like Subway.  I like Subway because of the vegetables.


What is the hardest part of eating vegetables?
//Getting them out of the wheelchair
 
2013-08-22 01:49:22 PM  

starlost: ...his worked with cookies and snacks like potatoe chips and pretzels...


tillerman35: ...Jimmy Johns (still the best BBQ flavor potatoe chips, ever), Jersey...


What the hell is going on?  Did I miss a meeting?
 
2013-08-22 02:36:07 PM  
Subways are way cheaper to start up too. Back in the day the Subway franchise fee was like $5k, whereas it was $1 million to franchise a Mcdonalds
 
2013-08-22 02:48:08 PM  

Obscure Login: starlost: ...his worked with cookies and snacks like potatoe chips and pretzels...

tillerman35: ...Jimmy Johns (still the best BBQ flavor potatoe chips, ever), Jersey...

What the hell is going on?  Did I miss a meeting?


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-08-22 02:49:35 PM  

flaminio: I'm not surprised. I just got back from a 2700 mile road trip around the American southwest, and we saw Subways everywhere. It became a joke of the trip -- every little town, every interstate exit had at least one Subway. As we were turning into Bryce Canyon National Park, the first thing my kid said was "Oh, cool, they have a Subway!".


Bryce Canyon NP is amazing.  Subway, not so much.

/hoodoos
 
2013-08-22 02:56:26 PM  

mediablitz: My little slice of Montana has 3 Subways, 2 McDonalds and 1 Starbucks

One of the two Quiznos is going out of biz. Wouldn't be surprised to see a Subway take its place.


There's a Quiznos that I eat at about once a month when I'm in the area but it's barely hanging on.  Which is too bad because the food is much better than Subway.
 
2013-08-22 03:01:48 PM  
My town had a Starbucks that lasted less than two years, and our McDonalds just closed after 32 years. But we do indeed have a Subway.

/4000 year round residents, 80% of homes are second homes
 
2013-08-22 03:03:14 PM  

Sean M: doczoidberg: What happened to Quiznos?

Quiznos pissed off their franchisees by absolutely raping them over the cost of paper goods, cups, etc.   There were a few other things as well, but it's primarily corporate pissing off franchisees.


Just did a little reading and you aren't kidding. Makes me feel sorry for anybody trapped in a Quiznos franchise.
 
2013-08-22 03:34:21 PM  

Obscure Login: starlost: ...his worked with cookies and snacks like potatoe chips and pretzels...

tillerman35: ...Jimmy Johns (still the best BBQ flavor potatoe chips, ever), Jersey...

What the hell is going on?  Did I miss a meeting?


As poster above caught, I was goofing on the Honorable Mr. Quayle.  But if you're asking about the chips, yeah try 'em.  They're a guilty pleasure of mine.  s'cool if you don't like them, since in matters of tastebuds the individual is the only judge that matters.
 
2013-08-22 03:43:06 PM  

relaxitsjustme: Sean M: doczoidberg: What happened to Quiznos?

Quiznos pissed off their franchisees by absolutely raping them over the cost of paper goods, cups, etc.   There were a few other things as well, but it's primarily corporate pissing off franchisees.

Just did a little reading and you aren't kidding. Makes me feel sorry for anybody trapped in a Quiznos franchise.


Quiznos, while pretty good, cost as much as a trip to 5 Guys. It doesn't surprise me that they shrunk so much.

/prefer my local burger joint to 5 Guys
//the price is similar, but the quality is better and it's locally owned
///Quiznos always had two or three sandwiches that were bacon on top of bacon
////the local Quiznos became a Jersey Mikes
 
2013-08-22 03:53:46 PM  

relaxitsjustme: Sean M: doczoidberg: What happened to Quiznos?

Quiznos pissed off their franchisees by absolutely raping them over the cost of paper goods, cups, etc.   There were a few other things as well, but it's primarily corporate pissing off franchisees.

Just did a little reading and you aren't kidding. Makes me feel sorry for anybody trapped in a Quiznos franchise.


Wow, I wondered why the Quiznos around here suddenly disappeared all at once.
 
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