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2013-08-21 10:44:50 PM  
7 votes:

profplump: I'm all for quiet spaces, but could we please admit that the difference between "child free" and "jew free" is all but non-existant, and that if we weren't already okay with discriminating on the basis of age this sort of policy would be considered outrageous?

As a group children might well be nosier than older people. But like any other group it's made up of individual human beings and it's inherently unjust to make judgements about individuals (or apply rules, etc.) based on generalizations concerning the group, even if those generalizations are true.


Hear, hear.

Exactly as you say.  Children should be allowed to vote, drink alcohol, drive (when not intoxicated from that alcohol), buy tobacco products, and hold jobs requiring heavy manual labor.  It is blatant bigotry to hold them down.  I blame it all on their lack of a strong lobby in D.C. and the state capitals.
2013-08-21 10:05:27 PM  
5 votes:
How about a Fattie-Free zone?

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2013-08-21 09:19:30 PM  
5 votes:

Peter von Nostrand: Flying with my 2 year old and 4 year old tomorrow. Suck it, childless happy people!


In case you hadn't heard, having children is also volunteering to either drive everyplace for the next decade or paying for a sitter.  This also means you have to leave them at home when you go out to eat or go see any movie that doesn't star a talking mouse.

The rest of the world calls this type of behavior "manners"....
2013-08-22 12:49:16 AM  
4 votes:
I'll stop demanding child-free airlines, restaurants, and theaters as soon as the breeders stop demanding that childless people give up their homes and move into closet-sized apartments.
2013-08-21 10:38:45 PM  
4 votes:
if the cargo area is safe for pets, it should be safe enough for kids
2013-08-21 10:23:55 PM  
4 votes:

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The cheaper solution


Your idea only helps ONE person.

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This is the more PRACTICAL solution.
2013-08-21 10:21:31 PM  
4 votes:
They should have a "shiatty parent free" area. The only time kids are a pain to others is when crappy parents let them. And yes, I'm a parent.
2013-08-21 09:17:47 PM  
4 votes:
I'd prefer "child free" airlines, cities, cruise ships, and shopping centers.
2013-08-22 11:30:25 AM  
3 votes:
And once again, all parents in the thread are so blinded by the perfection of their little angels that they completely misread our intensions. We aren't trying to keep planes/theaters/restaraunts etc. free of kids.

We are trying to keep them free of you.

It is true that we were kids once. What we were not, is shiatty, inconsiderate parents. Do your god damned jobs and people will stop complaining about you.
2013-08-21 10:34:16 PM  
3 votes:

gweilo8888: Oh hai, is this the thread where we all whine about something that every single one of us once was? Get over yourselves, you bunch of princesses.

/ear plugs, look into them
//you people should be thanking everybody who brings a kid on the plane. We parents pay damned-near the same price for the kid's ticket that you do, but kids (and kids' baggage) don't weigh close to what grownups and their baggage do -- which means less fuel burned. Every kid on the plane is subsidizing your fat ass and your overstuffed suitcase.
///I go out of my way to try and keep my kid quiet, stop him irritating other passengers, etc., and in my experience so do most parents.
////And I know for damned skippy that every one of you complaining did the same things kids today do, when you were a kid and traveled, at least if you ever flew. Probably more because you didn't have as much entertainment.


Not fat, nor do I carry tons of luggage, and I travel frequently.

At 43 I remember the 70s,80s, 90s, quite well, and kids were better behaved then, and parents had a better idea on how to control them.

I understand that babies cry and vomit but it seems like age 4 to 10 these days on flights just run roughshod over their parents.

So why should the good of the few outweigh the good of the many.

I see plenty of mothers on planes with unruly kids who do nothing about it.    These are the same folk who think it is ok to roll out of bed, not  shower, and wear pjs on the airplane with flip flops.
2013-08-21 10:06:09 PM  
3 votes:

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The cheaper solution


Just remember to crush up the Xanax really well, otherwise it doesn't mix well w/ their apple juice.
2013-08-21 10:01:02 PM  
3 votes:
Why don't they charge a "noise surcharge" to the kids instead?
2013-08-21 08:40:44 PM  
3 votes:
Yes, because being in the seat in front of an obnoxious little bastard is so much better than being in the seat next to one.  There's no cure for it.  Unless they start having adults-only flights, the little screamers are going to disturb the rest of us no matter what.

That said, I'd pay the extra for the positively palatial 35" seat.
2013-08-22 12:16:16 PM  
2 votes:

sharphead: LordZorch: I'd prefer "child free" airlines, cities, cruise ships, and shopping centers.

You were a child once yourself.... i'm sure you were the perfect angel you've grown up to be today.


You mean back when parents knew better than to inflict their children on everybody at large?  When parents demanded, and enforced, good behavior in public?  When the kids were restricted to places like McDonald's and Shakey's Pizza?  When if the parents couldn't drive to their vacation, they go left with relatives for two weeks?

Today's generation of "parents"  are two generations removed from actually parenting in a meaningful way.
2013-08-22 11:56:56 AM  
2 votes:

Peter von Nostrand: LordZorch: Peter von Nostrand: Flying with my 2 year old and 4 year old tomorrow. Suck it, childless happy people!

In case you hadn't heard, having children is also volunteering to either drive everyplace for the next decade or paying for a sitter.  This also means you have to leave them at home when you go out to eat or go see any movie that doesn't star a talking mouse.

The rest of the world calls this type of behavior "manners"....

No. No it's not


And you're what we call a "worthless parent", "asshole", and "inconsiderate boorish jerk"...
2013-08-22 08:28:12 AM  
2 votes:
In the past 6 months I flew 4 times with my 2 year old on international flights longer than 8 hours each. She was fine. The most important thing to remember is to bring a backpack full of toys that engage the parent and child like puzzle books or iPad aps that are still entertaining with the volume off. The problem isn't the kids, it is the parents who put on their headphones and expect their kid to entertain themselves while strapped to a chair.

What was far more annoying than any kid I've encountered on a plane was a group of 8 American high school seniors going to Germany. They were going to drink beer! They had the whole world figured out! Well except for the one that was pegged as the "liberal" during their 5 hour seven against one political debate. My 2 year old very sweetly told the ones in front of us to "be very quiet on the airplane".

Later in the flight, one baby cried for about 30 seconds and the group all made the collective eye roll and went on about kids on planes. One of them stood up in the aisle to count how many of these little monsters had the potential to disrupt HIS flight and then threw his empty cup at his buddy 3 rows up before sitting down.

/ much rather have a 25 and older section.
2013-08-22 02:21:10 AM  
2 votes:

Mambo Bananapatch: We flew from Toronto to Seoul when our son was two years old. He slept most of the time and was perfectly well-behaved the rest of the time. As we were descending -- almost 14 hours later -- his ears hurt and he cried. I heard a guy somewhere behind us complaining about people who take kids on planes.

I think about that guy every time I hear somebody whimpering about a kid on a plane.


The short period of crying at take-off/landing is not a big deal. It's the parents who callously let their children cry the entire flight and do nothing about their child's obvious distress. It's like they can't even hear it or care about it anymore.
2013-08-21 11:52:19 PM  
2 votes:

scotchcrotch: Excuuuuse me for having kids and continuing the human race.

If I could check them at the gate or put them in overhead I would.


Make your kids suffer through long road trips......it's what I had to do when I was a kid.  Do you know how long it takes to go from Dallas to Washington State in a '78 Volkswagon Westfalia?

/It builds character.
//At least that's what my Dad told me.
///And I'm quite a character.
2013-08-21 11:20:10 PM  
2 votes:

jst3p: If a crying baby is a problem for you on an airplane in this day and age you are an idiot. There are a million ways to keep yourself isolated, be prepared next time.


If other your child's behavior is a problem for you on an airplane in this day and age you are an idiot. There are a million ways to keep a child occupied, be prepared next time.
2013-08-21 11:16:28 PM  
2 votes:

BelKimi: You can't handle a baby crying, a kid acting out, someone child having a meltdown at a restaurant?


Quite the contrary. Babies cry, kids act out.

What I will shoot death glares over the seat for is when the kid acts out and the parent does nothing. Kids act out because they don't know any better. The parent has no such excuse.
2013-08-21 11:08:37 PM  
2 votes:
BGates: I see the spoiled little child hating Fark brats are back at it.

Is there anything you liberal douchebags don't hate besides Abortion and the idiot in the oval?

Remember, kids: if you think you might be too drunk to post, you are too drunk to post.
2013-08-21 11:08:00 PM  
2 votes:

profplump: but could we please admit that the difference between "child free" and "jew free" is all but non-existant


Did you seriously just bring racial segregation into a thread about places where small children should not be?

Wow. And the worst part is, I think you're not just threadshiatting. You actually believe this.
2013-08-21 11:04:44 PM  
2 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: adults-only flights


This would be awesome.
2013-08-21 11:02:13 PM  
2 votes:

gweilo8888: ear plugs, look into them


Don't work.  They block all the other quieter noises, leaving only the muffled cries of the child for you to hear.

Better choice is in-ear earbuds with a rubber grommet and a music player.  But even those don't work if the child is immediately adjacent to you.  At that point, Vicodin and a few vodka chasers is the only thing that works.
2013-08-21 10:47:37 PM  
2 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: Yes, because being in the seat in front of an obnoxious little bastard is so much better than being in the seat next to one.  There's no cure for it.  Unless they start having adults-only flights, the little screamers are going to disturb the rest of us no matter what.

That said, I'd pay the extra for the positively palatial 35" seat.


Pretty much. We just need a soundproof room on each plane, that's all. Or entirely childfree flights...*dreams*
2013-08-21 10:38:48 PM  
2 votes:

Tax Boy: How about a Fattie-Free zone?

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Alternate fatties with little kids. It's a win-win.

OoO OoO
2013-08-21 10:33:45 PM  
2 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: Yes, because being in the seat in front of an obnoxious little bastard is so much better than being in the seat next to one.  There's no cure for it.  Unless they start having adults-only flights, the little screamers are going to disturb the rest of us no matter what.

That said, I'd pay the extra for the positively palatial 35" seat.


I would pay extra for adult only flights.
2013-08-21 10:13:52 PM  
2 votes:

Trocadero: NFA: [earology.files.wordpress.com image 264x256]

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The cheaper solution

Just remember to crush up the Xanax really well, otherwise it doesn't mix well w/ their apple juice.


ROFL.
2013-08-21 10:08:10 PM  
2 votes:

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The cheaper solution


Yeah, but its hard to sneak those into a stranger's kid's sippy cup without being noticed.
2013-08-21 08:15:35 PM  
2 votes:

Contrabulous Flabtraption: So, another type of business class, basically


If it's $18 more than economy class, it should be called the "sold out already" class, otherwise yes, new type of business class. The article doesn't say which class the additional cost applies to.
2013-08-22 01:02:58 PM  
1 votes:
Last year we flew with my then 3 and 7 year olds (both boys btw, who are almost incapable of sitting still for more than 15 seconds at a time) to Dallas for a vacation. I was terrified of being  that parentwith  those kids on the plane so for weeks before we went we drilled rules into them: no screaming on the plane, no talking above normal volume, no kicking the seats in front of us, no fighting, no arguing and do what mom or dad say when we say it.
We also came prepared, I had a tupperware container filled with snacks plus books, crayons/paper, and the husband and I both brought our tablets loaded with apps and movies to watch.
Barely a peep was heard out of them for 3 hours there and 3 hours back.

Prepare them (if old enough), set expectations and consequences (our consequence was no more flying or trips - which I was fully prepared to follow through with) and most kids will behave.

/flight back there was a guy 5 rows ahead of us who stood in the aisle and rocked a 8 or 9 month old for 85% of the flight. I felt bad for the guy.
GBB
2013-08-22 08:50:19 AM  
1 votes:
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Solution.

"Have fun at Gramma's, Jimmy!"
2013-08-22 02:14:15 AM  
1 votes:

jst3p: TsukasaK: jst3p: If a crying baby is a problem for you on an airplane in this day and age you are an idiot. There are a million ways to keep yourself isolated, be prepared next time.

If other your child's behavior is a problem for you on an airplane in this day and age you are an idiot. There are a million ways to keep a child occupied, be prepared next time.

A crying baby isn't a problem that can always be fixed on an airplane. Your comparison is invalid.


That problem can be fixed off of the airplane though...
2013-08-22 12:34:32 AM  
1 votes:

gweilo8888: Dinjiin: Don't work.  They block all the other quieter noises, leaving only the muffled cries of the child for you to hear.

Better choice is in-ear earbuds with a rubber grommet and a music player.  But even those don't work if the child is immediately adjacent to you.  At that point, Vicodin and a few vodka chasers is the only thing that works.

Buy better earplugs. There are various types, and they block various frequencies with different efficacy and comfort level. Good ones work just fine. If I can barely hear my child from three feet away when his mom is taking a turn to watch him on the flight, you sure as hell can't it's because I am hard of hearing.


/FTFY
//Owns lots of "high efficacy" earplugs.
///One can still carry on a conversation using inside voices while wearing earplugs.
2013-08-22 12:02:36 AM  
1 votes:

TsukasaK: I think that's all the self-righteous breeder comments so far.


Cry me a river, just don't do it near me, it upsets me to hear crying so much that I have to complain on the internet to a bunch of strangers about it.
2013-08-21 11:55:14 PM  
1 votes:

skobot: I'd rather have to put up with babies crying than adults crying.


scotchcrotch: Excuuuuse me for having kids and continuing the human race.


jst3p: If a crying baby is a problem for you on an airplane in this day and age you are an idiot. There are a million ways to keep yourself isolated, be prepared next time.


AspectRatio: To all the self-righteous child haters douche-ing up this thread: Thank you for keeping your douchey self-righteous DNA out of the human gene pool. Evolution is grateful.


I think that's all the self-righteous breeder comments so far.
Oh, my bad, I thought we were playing "Stupid Generalizations and Insults". You can see how I'd get confused.
2013-08-21 11:51:10 PM  
1 votes:
I forget sometimes that fully grown adults are capable of being such whiners. Soft as marshmallows.

Yes, babies cry. The sun is also hot. Winter is often cold. Sometimes, life is uncomfortable.

I'd rather have to put up with babies crying than adults crying.
2013-08-21 11:51:06 PM  
1 votes:

theflatline: I was in an another thread today and some people were lambasting me because I suggested that the reason kids are so bad today is because Dr. Spock virtually ruined generations of children because of his hugs and not punishment leanings.

I do not have an onion in my belt, but I can tell you this, my mother could look at me and I would stop whatever I was doing wrong.

A little swat or a grounding never hurt anyone.  Kids today get a timeout.  OR their iphones taken away for a day.  They know there are no consequences to their actions.

My sister in law has 3 year old who runs around batshiat crazy all the time.  Because the child has no schedule, eats when he feels like it, and instead of an afternoon nap they let him run around until he passes out about 5, sleeps to 8, wakes up and runs around til 1 am.    Instead of putting on a schedule, they just give him whatever he wants.

My other sis in law had a baby, and of course the new baby got all the attention so the three year decided he wanted the attention, so he asked his mother to give him a bottle because he was a baby too.  So she did.

I walked into the room with a diaper and said "Santiago, come here, since you are a baby now, i have to put this pamper on you." he says"tio i am a big boy, i wear big boy underwear" I said "no, you are baby who drinks a bottle, so if you want the bottle, you have to wear the diaper."  He decided not to drink the bottle.

My sis in law lit into like I had just committed a hate crime.  But yet when he acts up she calls me because I am the only one he will listen to.


We had a friend like that. Single mom, 4 kids ages 14, 8, 6, and 3.

The 3yo was tapping the titties until such time as mom started taking anti malarial drugs in preparation for a trip to Africa. And he still slept with mom.

The 6yo is going to show
Tort chipsup as a serial killer or something. Rage control issues. He also won't eat anything but pork and rice and demands that mom feed him by hand. She does.

The 9yo is relatively sane. Likes anime.

The 14yo will end up in a gang, a teenage father, or both. Mom treats him like a replacement husband,but without any weird incestuous stuff. At least I hope not.

We tried to help, she didn't want actual help, she just wanted to be the helpless victim pity party
2013-08-21 11:48:09 PM  
1 votes:

profplump: I'm all for quiet spaces, but could we please admit that the difference between "child free" and "jew free" is all but non-existant

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BGates: Is there anything you liberal douchebags don't hate besides Abortion and the idiot in the oval?


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2013-08-21 11:38:10 PM  
1 votes:
A psychiatrist was explaining to me yesterday that for a child, who is physically unable to regulate his own emotions, flying on an aircraft is like being on a very bad acid trip.
2013-08-21 11:19:28 PM  
1 votes:

TsukasaK: Mambo Bananapatch: Is there anything you liberal douchebags don't hate besides Abortion and the idiot in the oval?

Yknow, I think my "cheap insult" card is about due for an update. You're next.


Ok, I'll forward it along to BGates.
2013-08-21 11:06:57 PM  
1 votes:
I see the spoiled little child hating Fark brats are back at it.

Is there anything you liberal douchebags don't hate besides Abortion and the idiot in the oval?

It isn't great for the parents when their kids cry or whine.  But they have just as much right to travel then you whiny assholes.
2013-08-21 10:59:05 PM  
1 votes:

jaylectricity: Revel in the humor of a 4-year-old sitting down in the middle of a supermarket aisle because the pasta looked at her funny.


Okay, but I'll be shooting her guardian death through my eyeballs the entire time they allow their child to act up.
2013-08-21 10:54:07 PM  
1 votes:
As a frequent flyer, I've found some good noise-blocking earbuds playing thunderstorm noises from an app and a Xanax take care of most noise issues.

/good headphones make all the difference, even if its just white noise while you read
2013-08-21 10:46:39 PM  
1 votes:
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2013-08-21 10:39:44 PM  
1 votes:

profplump: I'm all for quiet spaces, but could we please admit that the difference between "child free" and "jew free" is all but non-existant, and that if we weren't already okay with discriminating on the basis of age this sort of policy would be considered outrageous?

As a group children might well be nosier than older people. But like any other group it's made up of individual human beings and it's inherently unjust to make judgements about individuals (or apply rules, etc.) based on generalizations concerning the group, even if those generalizations are true.


Yes, but on the Pirates of the Caribbean ride, the pirates didn't -eat- the children.
2013-08-21 10:33:40 PM  
1 votes:

neilbradley: They should have a "shiatty parent free" area. The only time kids are a pain to others is when crappy parents let them. And yes, I'm a parent.


This.

I'm not a parent. But evaluation does not require participation.
2013-08-21 10:32:11 PM  
1 votes:

AliceBToklasLives: Kids are annoying on the plane, but everyone who complains about air travel ought to take one long-distance Greyhound trip. For perspective.


No, I have money.
2013-08-21 10:25:49 PM  
1 votes:
Can I demand "drunk-free", "fat-free", "snore-free", "a**hole-free" zones as well?  Because I never have nearly as much of a problem with kids as I do the adults.
2013-08-21 10:23:26 PM  
1 votes:
Oh hai, is this the thread where we all whine about something that every single one of us once was? Get over yourselves, you bunch of princesses.

/ear plugs, look into them
//you people should be thanking everybody who brings a kid on the plane. We parents pay damned-near the same price for the kid's ticket that you do, but kids (and kids' baggage) don't weigh close to what grownups and their baggage do -- which means less fuel burned. Every kid on the plane is subsidizing your fat ass and your overstuffed suitcase.
///I go out of my way to try and keep my kid quiet, stop him irritating other passengers, etc., and in my experience so do most parents.
////And I know for damned skippy that every one of you complaining did the same things kids today do, when you were a kid and traveled, at least if you ever flew. Probably more because you didn't have as much entertainment.
2013-08-21 10:22:25 PM  
1 votes:
A few tweaks to the rules should allow unruly children to ride in a pressurized hold.
2013-08-21 10:21:39 PM  
1 votes:
I was in an another thread today and some people were lambasting me because I suggested that the reason kids are so bad today is because Dr. Spock virtually ruined generations of children because of his hugs and not punishment leanings.

I do not have an onion in my belt, but I can tell you this, my mother could look at me and I would stop whatever I was doing wrong.

A little swat or a grounding never hurt anyone.  Kids today get a timeout.  OR their iphones taken away for a day.  They know there are no consequences to their actions.

My sister in law has 3 year old who runs around batshiat crazy all the time.  Because the child has no schedule, eats when he feels like it, and instead of an afternoon nap they let him run around until he passes out about 5, sleeps to 8, wakes up and runs around til 1 am.    Instead of putting on a schedule, they just give him whatever he wants.

My other sis in law had a baby, and of course the new baby got all the attention so the three year decided he wanted the attention, so he asked his mother to give him a bottle because he was a baby too.  So she did.

I walked into the room with a diaper and said "Santiago, come here, since you are a baby now, i have to put this pamper on you." he says"tio i am a big boy, i wear big boy underwear" I said "no, you are baby who drinks a bottle, so if you want the bottle, you have to wear the diaper."  He decided not to drink the bottle.

My sis in law lit into like I had just committed a hate crime.  But yet when he acts up she calls me because I am the only one he will listen to.
2013-08-21 10:19:20 PM  
1 votes:
Kids are annoying on the plane, but everyone who complains about air travel ought to take one long-distance Greyhound trip. For perspective.
2013-08-21 10:09:44 PM  
1 votes:
Oh thank the lord. And thank the controller that ok'd this project's budget.

/United 1k
//Mon - Wed on the road for the next few months
2013-08-21 10:06:05 PM  
1 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: There's no cure for it.  Unless they start having adults-only flights, the little screamers are going to disturb the rest of us no matter what.


LordZorch: I'd prefer "child free" airlines, cities, cruise ships, and shopping centers.


unlikely: Why don't they charge a "noise surcharge" to the kids instead?


These
2013-08-21 09:14:43 PM  
1 votes:
Flying with my 2 year old and 4 year old tomorrow. Suck it, childless happy people!
2013-08-21 09:02:03 PM  
1 votes:
Anything to get you to pay a few extra bucks subby....so yeah I guess it is like religion.
 
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