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2013-08-22 12:15:55 AM
It's really too bad I can't get an asshole free flight- you know, subtard free.
 
2013-08-22 12:18:55 AM

The_Sponge: scotchcrotch: Excuuuuse me for having kids and continuing the human race.

If I could check them at the gate or put them in overhead I would.

Make your kids suffer through long road trips......it's what I had to do when I was a kid.  Do you know how long it takes to go from Dallas to Washington State in a '78 Volkswagon Westfalia?

/It builds character.
//At least that's what my Dad told me.
///And I'm quite a character.


I got you beat, my mom, dad, and the dog drove from New Orleans, to Boone North California, then to Tenesse to say at the opry hotel, they to Jekyl island than back to new orleans.

in june 76, and the care had no ac.
 
2013-08-22 12:20:01 AM

TsukasaK: jst3p: Cry me a river, just don't do it near me, it upsets me to hear crying so much that I have to complain on the internet to a bunch of strangers about it.

Dude this post.

Is so meta, even this acronym.


Yeah, I caught that aspect of it, but hit post anyway. I do like your posts though, even if I don't agree with you.
 
2013-08-22 12:22:14 AM

theflatline: The_Sponge: scotchcrotch: Excuuuuse me for having kids and continuing the human race.

If I could check them at the gate or put them in overhead I would.

Make your kids suffer through long road trips......it's what I had to do when I was a kid.  Do you know how long it takes to go from Dallas to Washington State in a '78 Volkswagon Westfalia?

/It builds character.
//At least that's what my Dad told me.
///And I'm quite a character.

I got you beat, my mom, dad, and the dog drove from New Orleans, to Boone North California, then to Tenesse to say at the opry hotel, they to Jekyl island than back to new orleans.

in june 76, and the care had no ac.


My kids and I take a road trips every summer. Usually from Denver to Cali. This year from Denver to Vermont. We love them but the access to electronics and internet via tethering with my phone make them NOTHING like what we had to suffer through.
 
2013-08-22 12:23:32 AM

bborchar: Can I demand "drunk-free", "fat-free", "snore-free", "a**hole-free" zones as well?  Because I never have nearly as much of a problem with kids as I do the adults.

 
2013-08-22 12:25:07 AM

Dinjiin: Don't work.  They block all the other quieter noises, leaving only the muffled cries of the child for you to hear.

Better choice is in-ear earbuds with a rubber grommet and a music player.  But even those don't work if the child is immediately adjacent to you.  At that point, Vicodin and a few vodka chasers is the only thing that works.


Buy better earplugs. There are various types, and they block various frequencies with different efficacy and comfort level. Good ones work just fine. If I can barely hear my child from three feet away when his mom is taking a turn to watch him on the flight, you sure as hell can't.
 
2013-08-22 12:27:25 AM

theflatline: The_Sponge: scotchcrotch: Excuuuuse me for having kids and continuing the human race.

If I could check them at the gate or put them in overhead I would.

Make your kids suffer through long road trips......it's what I had to do when I was a kid.  Do you know how long it takes to go from Dallas to Washington State in a '78 Volkswagon Westfalia?

/It builds character.
//At least that's what my Dad told me.
///And I'm quite a character.

I got you beat, my mom, dad, and the dog drove from New Orleans, to Boone North California, then to Tenesse to say at the opry hotel, they to Jekyl island than back to new orleans.

in june 76, and the care had no ac.


We didn't go quite the distance, but we did drive from the SF Bay Area to Disneyland with 6 kids and both parents in a 300 series BMW. 4 kids across the back seat and 2 kids sitting on my mom's lap in the passenger seat. Oh the joys before car seat laws!
 
2013-08-22 12:34:32 AM

gweilo8888: Dinjiin: Don't work.  They block all the other quieter noises, leaving only the muffled cries of the child for you to hear.

Better choice is in-ear earbuds with a rubber grommet and a music player.  But even those don't work if the child is immediately adjacent to you.  At that point, Vicodin and a few vodka chasers is the only thing that works.

Buy better earplugs. There are various types, and they block various frequencies with different efficacy and comfort level. Good ones work just fine. If I can barely hear my child from three feet away when his mom is taking a turn to watch him on the flight, you sure as hell can't it's because I am hard of hearing.


/FTFY
//Owns lots of "high efficacy" earplugs.
///One can still carry on a conversation using inside voices while wearing earplugs.
 
2013-08-22 12:38:08 AM
Teufel Ritter:  /FTFY
//Owns lots of "high efficacy" earplugs.
///One can still carry on a conversation using inside voices while wearing earplugs.


Yeah, no. I hate to tell you this, but my hearing is just fine.

Again, your choice of earplugs sucks. Either that, or you have gaping canyons in your head that no earplug can hope to fit. (In which case, get custom ones.)
 
2013-08-22 12:48:54 AM

LordZorch: I'd prefer "child free" airlines, cities, cruise ships, and shopping centers.


You were a child once yourself.... i'm sure you were the perfect angel you've grown up to be today.
 
2013-08-22 12:49:16 AM
I'll stop demanding child-free airlines, restaurants, and theaters as soon as the breeders stop demanding that childless people give up their homes and move into closet-sized apartments.
 
2013-08-22 12:54:13 AM

jfbnr24: Oh the joys before car seat laws!


Like the headon car accident where the 4-year old sitting in the lap gets crushed against the seat in front by a heavy adult?  Like watching Mom who is sitting on the hump with the baby get ejected through the windshield?  Yes, what a joy those days were.  The fatality rate was about triple what it is now.
 
2013-08-22 12:59:01 AM
Call me when someone offers the "School Group Trip-Free" overseas flights.

/was once a member of such a group. Wasn't any fun that way, either.
 
2013-08-22 01:01:45 AM
Christ. How many drunk alts are in this thread?
 
2013-08-22 01:10:41 AM

BGates: I see the spoiled little child hating Fark brats are back at it.

Is there anything you liberal douchebags don't hate besides Abortion and the idiot in the oval?

It isn't great for the parents when their kids cry or whine.  But they have just as much right to travel then you whiny assholes.


My gawd you suck.
 
2013-08-22 01:14:15 AM

BGates: I see the spoiled little child hating Fark brats are back at it.

Is there anything you liberal douchebags don't hate besides Abortion and the idiot in the oval?

It isn't great for the parents when their kids cry or whine.  But they have just as much right to travel then you whiny assholes.


-12 / 10. There's obvious, and then there's herpa-derping a thread about kids.

/sorry, but nobody believes you think Republicans are immune to whining about children, so it couldn't be more clear that you're just trolling
 
2013-08-22 01:24:16 AM
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What does God need with an airline?
 
2013-08-22 01:28:30 AM

fusillade762: Trocadero: NFA: [earology.files.wordpress.com image 264x256]

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The cheaper solution

Just remember to crush up the Xanax really well, otherwise it doesn't mix well w/ their apple juice.

ROFL.


Rohypnol.

FTFY
 
2013-08-22 01:41:43 AM

theflatline: I got you beat, my mom, dad, and the dog drove from New Orleans, to Boone North California, then to Tenesse to say at the opry hotel, they to Jekyl island than back to new orleans.

in june 76, and the care had no ac.



*Tipping my hat*
 
2013-08-22 01:44:49 AM

LoneVVolf: Pics or it didn't happen. 35" is 3 seats in cattle class!


www.mikepirone.com  www.mikepirone.com
(click for larger)

This is a Singapore Air business class seat, which has way more legroom than discussed, but is 35" wide. The seatbelt comes up 2/3 through it with an extra cushion to keep you from sliding left to right. I got a solid 8 hours sleep because it was lay-flat as well in business class. (photo of that)


Considering that the US carriers charge $50+ for an exit row or for a few extra inches of legroom in a 17" or 18" wide seat, I agree with:
it should be called the "sold out already" class
 
2013-08-22 02:14:15 AM

jst3p: TsukasaK: jst3p: If a crying baby is a problem for you on an airplane in this day and age you are an idiot. There are a million ways to keep yourself isolated, be prepared next time.

If other your child's behavior is a problem for you on an airplane in this day and age you are an idiot. There are a million ways to keep a child occupied, be prepared next time.

A crying baby isn't a problem that can always be fixed on an airplane. Your comparison is invalid.


That problem can be fixed off of the airplane though...
 
2013-08-22 02:14:38 AM
This being fark, most of the people complaining are likely Fat, drunk overly opinionated, perverted, smelly basement dwellers. I would rather sit next to a baby (who at least looks cute) than one of you gross weirdos.
 
2013-08-22 02:21:10 AM

Mambo Bananapatch: We flew from Toronto to Seoul when our son was two years old. He slept most of the time and was perfectly well-behaved the rest of the time. As we were descending -- almost 14 hours later -- his ears hurt and he cried. I heard a guy somewhere behind us complaining about people who take kids on planes.

I think about that guy every time I hear somebody whimpering about a kid on a plane.


The short period of crying at take-off/landing is not a big deal. It's the parents who callously let their children cry the entire flight and do nothing about their child's obvious distress. It's like they can't even hear it or care about it anymore.
 
2013-08-22 04:08:23 AM
Child free zone in every day life.

I don't even have kids, but every day like clockwork they come over to see our puppy. (even when he isn't outside)

I think my yard should be child free!
 
2013-08-22 04:26:23 AM

profplump: I'm all for quiet spaces, but could we please admit that the difference between "child free" and "jew free" is all but non-existant, and that if we weren't already okay with discriminating on the basis of age this sort of policy would be considered outrageous?

As a group children might well be nosier than older people. But like any other group it's made up of individual human beings and it's inherently unjust to make judgements about individuals (or apply rules, etc.) based on generalizations concerning the group, even if those generalizations are true.


This. Why don't we just have a negro-free zone as well?

/Oh wait, we already tried that, didn't we?
 
2013-08-22 04:30:53 AM

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Oh thank the lord. And thank the controller that ok'd this project's budget.

/United 1k
//Mon - Wed on the road for the next few months


Hello friend and neighbor.
 
2013-08-22 04:39:02 AM
So with this and the lightning-smitten zip line at the Creation Museum a few threads down....does this mean there REALLY IS A GOD?!??!?

I mean, it only takes three miracles to make a saint...if we wake up tomorrow and they've disbanded the TSA or Ted Nugent has dropped dead, atheists are gonna have a whole lot of 'splainin to do!
 
2013-08-22 06:28:40 AM
Air Asia X banned kids under the age of 12 from their first seven economy class rows

So if I'm in row 6 and the screaming, unruly child is in row 8, it'll be like heaven?
 
2013-08-22 06:37:40 AM

JustTheTip: profplump: I'm all for quiet spaces, but could we please admit that the difference between "child free" and "jew free" is all but non-existant, and that if we weren't already okay with discriminating on the basis of age this sort of policy would be considered outrageous?

As a group children might well be nosier than older people. But like any other group it's made up of individual human beings and it's inherently unjust to make judgements about individuals (or apply rules, etc.) based on generalizations concerning the group, even if those generalizations are true.

This. Why don't we just have a negro-free zone as well?

/Oh wait, we already tried that, didn't we?


This * 1.0e9

Children are the only group of human beings that you can still express your outrage over when they are not treated as an underclass and so people seem to take out their all their pent up rage against them.

And as other have said, children rarely bother me in public.  It's 2013 for crissakes.  Put in some ear buds and zone out.  No, it's usually Ms. Chatty or Mr. I-Don't-Use-Deodorant on the airplane.  In movie theaters, it's teens.  In restaurants, it's loud 20 somethings and the constant hilarity of what's on their shining iPhones.  At the DMV or grocery checkout, it's Mr and Mrs. I-Got-All-Day-We're-Retired.  Those are the people who are by the most annoying.
 
2013-08-22 07:52:02 AM

jst3p: A crying baby isn't a problem that can always be fixed on an airplane.


cdn.videogum.com

Knows how to fix such problems...
 
2013-08-22 08:24:48 AM
Wait - I can fly without being forced to sit next to sanctimonious idiots who think their Constitutional rights are being violated if they have to share space with kids for a couple of hours? This is awesome!
 
2013-08-22 08:28:12 AM
In the past 6 months I flew 4 times with my 2 year old on international flights longer than 8 hours each. She was fine. The most important thing to remember is to bring a backpack full of toys that engage the parent and child like puzzle books or iPad aps that are still entertaining with the volume off. The problem isn't the kids, it is the parents who put on their headphones and expect their kid to entertain themselves while strapped to a chair.

What was far more annoying than any kid I've encountered on a plane was a group of 8 American high school seniors going to Germany. They were going to drink beer! They had the whole world figured out! Well except for the one that was pegged as the "liberal" during their 5 hour seven against one political debate. My 2 year old very sweetly told the ones in front of us to "be very quiet on the airplane".

Later in the flight, one baby cried for about 30 seconds and the group all made the collective eye roll and went on about kids on planes. One of them stood up in the aisle to count how many of these little monsters had the potential to disrupt HIS flight and then threw his empty cup at his buddy 3 rows up before sitting down.

/ much rather have a 25 and older section.
 
GBB
2013-08-22 08:50:19 AM
www.firehouse-fw.com
Solution.

"Have fun at Gramma's, Jimmy!"
 
2013-08-22 11:30:25 AM
And once again, all parents in the thread are so blinded by the perfection of their little angels that they completely misread our intensions. We aren't trying to keep planes/theaters/restaraunts etc. free of kids.

We are trying to keep them free of you.

It is true that we were kids once. What we were not, is shiatty, inconsiderate parents. Do your god damned jobs and people will stop complaining about you.
 
2013-08-22 11:36:55 AM

quakesteak: In the past 6 months I flew 4 times with my 2 year old on international flights longer than 8 hours each. She was fine. The most important thing to remember is to bring a backpack full of toys that engage the parent and child like puzzle books or iPad aps that are still entertaining with the volume off. The problem isn't the kids, it is the parents who put on their headphones and expect their kid to entertain themselves while strapped to a chair.


SO. MUCH. THIS.

Just last week, we took our 8 month old daughter on an airplane for the first time. This was not a trip we wanted to make; my wife's grandmother passed away suddenly Monday, and the funeral was scheduled for Friday, 3 days and 1500 miles away. Nor was leaving her at home an option because 1) she's not weaned yet, and 2) we had no family in the area - our closest family is 300 miles away. I had really hoped to wait until she was a little bit older before taking her on an airplane, but we had no other option but to fly to be there, and to take her with us.

So, we prepared. We packed a backpack full of her favorite toys and had our iPads and iPods loaded with apps to keep her entertained. We both alternated back and fourth on all 4 flights, always trying to keep her engaged because a bored baby is an upset baby. We also encouraged her to drink LOTS of water from a sippy cup, because airplanes dehydrate you anyways and because that kept her swallowing (thus helping with her ears).

We were nervous, but she did so well on the flights and hardly fussed at all. About half the time she just slept and the rest of the time we kept her entertained. She only got a little fussy right in the last 10 minutes of the very last flight since she was tired (and, frankly, we all were, but when you book 3 days before a flight, you have to take what you can get). But we just had to work extra hard to keep her distracted.

So yeah. Parents who bring kids on a plane have to be prepared to keep them entertained, through whatever means possible, for the duration of the flight. Just good parenting really (which, unfortunately, there are a lot of bad parents out there).

But people biatching about kids on airplanes also need to understand 3 things:

1) Sometimes, leaving the kids at home is not an option, nor is "not going" an option. Sometimes, you have to travel.
2) Unless the parent is a complete jackoff (and I will grant that there are a lot of bad to mediocre parents out there), they don't want their kid to cry and misbehave and (should be) doing everything in their power to prevent it.
3) And even if they are, sometimes, despite the best efforts of the parents, the kid is just going to cry or act up a bit. They're kids. They're not adult, and they're not robots. And as much as you hate it, it's ten times worse for a good parent to be having deal with a crying or misbehaving child in a metal tube - where your options of "what to do about it" are severely limited.
 
2013-08-22 11:56:56 AM

Peter von Nostrand: LordZorch: Peter von Nostrand: Flying with my 2 year old and 4 year old tomorrow. Suck it, childless happy people!

In case you hadn't heard, having children is also volunteering to either drive everyplace for the next decade or paying for a sitter.  This also means you have to leave them at home when you go out to eat or go see any movie that doesn't star a talking mouse.

The rest of the world calls this type of behavior "manners"....

No. No it's not


And you're what we call a "worthless parent", "asshole", and "inconsiderate boorish jerk"...
 
2013-08-22 12:16:16 PM

sharphead: LordZorch: I'd prefer "child free" airlines, cities, cruise ships, and shopping centers.

You were a child once yourself.... i'm sure you were the perfect angel you've grown up to be today.


You mean back when parents knew better than to inflict their children on everybody at large?  When parents demanded, and enforced, good behavior in public?  When the kids were restricted to places like McDonald's and Shakey's Pizza?  When if the parents couldn't drive to their vacation, they go left with relatives for two weeks?

Today's generation of "parents"  are two generations removed from actually parenting in a meaningful way.
 
2013-08-22 12:59:01 PM

umad: And once again, all parents in the thread are so blinded by the perfection of their little angels that they completely misread our intensions. We aren't trying to keep planes/theaters/restaraunts etc. free of kids.

We are trying to keep them free of you.

It is true that we were kids once. What we were not, is shiatty, inconsiderate parents. Do your god damned jobs and people will stop complaining about you.


So farking much THIS.

It's not the kids, it's the farking parents.
 
2013-08-22 01:02:58 PM
Last year we flew with my then 3 and 7 year olds (both boys btw, who are almost incapable of sitting still for more than 15 seconds at a time) to Dallas for a vacation. I was terrified of being  that parentwith  those kids on the plane so for weeks before we went we drilled rules into them: no screaming on the plane, no talking above normal volume, no kicking the seats in front of us, no fighting, no arguing and do what mom or dad say when we say it.
We also came prepared, I had a tupperware container filled with snacks plus books, crayons/paper, and the husband and I both brought our tablets loaded with apps and movies to watch.
Barely a peep was heard out of them for 3 hours there and 3 hours back.

Prepare them (if old enough), set expectations and consequences (our consequence was no more flying or trips - which I was fully prepared to follow through with) and most kids will behave.

/flight back there was a guy 5 rows ahead of us who stood in the aisle and rocked a 8 or 9 month old for 85% of the flight. I felt bad for the guy.
 
2013-08-22 01:45:00 PM
They should look into having an asshole-free zone next. That would affect many more people.
 
2013-08-22 01:54:31 PM

ennuie: Mambo Bananapatch: We flew from Toronto to Seoul when our son was two years old. He slept most of the time and was perfectly well-behaved the rest of the time. As we were descending -- almost 14 hours later -- his ears hurt and he cried. I heard a guy somewhere behind us complaining about people who take kids on planes.

I think about that guy every time I hear somebody whimpering about a kid on a plane.

The short period of crying at take-off/landing is not a big deal....


Exactly. Yet the guy still complained. Some people think they're being put upon if they hear a child's voice on a plane. I am fortunate to have an extremely well-behaved kid; I can't recall more than a few public meltdowns or tantrums, and he hardly cried as a baby. While I have sympathy for those who have to endure a long flight with an awful kid and apathetic parents, I have contempt for those who are irritated and sanctimonious simply because they hear a child cry or squeal.
 
2013-08-22 01:58:17 PM

LordZorch: You mean back when parents knew better than to inflict their children on everybody at large?  When parents demanded, and enforced, good behavior in public?  When the kids were restricted to places like McDonald's and Shakey's Pizza?  When if the parents couldn't drive to their vacation, they go left with relatives for two weeks?

Today's generation of "parents"  are two generations removed from actually parenting in a meaningful way.


You sound old, or solely acquainted with poor people. Hell, I'm in my 40s and not only did I travel internationally regularly (once or twice a year) from the age of less than a year, but so did basically every single one of my school friends.

If you were too poor to fly or they hadn't invented manned flight yet, well... that's not our fault. Kids have always flown, kids have just as much right to fly as you do. Suck it up, and if it upsets you so much, charter your own flight.
 
2013-08-22 02:01:59 PM

Mambo Bananapatch: Exactly. Yet the guy still complained. Some people think they're being put upon if they hear a child's voice on a plane. I am fortunate to have an extremely well-behaved kid; I can't recall more than a few public meltdowns or tantrums, and he hardly cried as a baby. While I have sympathy for those who have to endure a long flight with an awful kid and apathetic parents, I have contempt for those who are irritated and sanctimonious simply because they hear a child cry or squeal.


Thankfully, my experience has been the opposite. It seems the whiny biatch Farkers can't afford to fly to the places I do, because on every flight my son's been on we've had zero complaints, and several comments on deplaning to the effect that our son was "great", etc.

But yes, those who whine and moan about perfectly normal childhood behavior in economy class need to get over themselves. In Business or First, sure, I'd be the first to agree my kid doesn't belong there. In Economy, he has just as much right as the panties-in-a-bunch Farker crowd.
 
2013-08-22 02:44:04 PM

LordZorch: sharphead: LordZorch: I'd prefer "child free" airlines, cities, cruise ships, and shopping centers.

You were a child once yourself.... i'm sure you were the perfect angel you've grown up to be today.

You mean back when parents knew better than to inflict their children on everybody at large?  When parents demanded, and enforced, good behavior in public?  When the kids were restricted to places like McDonald's and Shakey's Pizza?  When if the parents couldn't drive to their vacation, they go left with relatives for two weeks?

Today's generation of "parents"  are two generations removed from actually parenting in a meaningful way.


When I need to laugh, I look at LordZorch's profile.
 
2013-08-22 04:54:08 PM
While the problem is more a matter of shiatty parents than the kids themselves, I would gladly pay extra to sit in an adults only area. I also think that anyone too fat to fit properly within their assigned seat should buy two seats, and I wish they would disable the reclining feature in coach since some folks are too self absorbed to ask prior to reclining their seat into your lap.
 
2013-08-22 04:55:40 PM

AspectRatio: LordZorch: sharphead: LordZorch: I'd prefer "child free" airlines, cities, cruise ships, and shopping centers.

You were a child once yourself.... i'm sure you were the perfect angel you've grown up to be today.

You mean back when parents knew better than to inflict their children on everybody at large?  When parents demanded, and enforced, good behavior in public?  When the kids were restricted to places like McDonald's and Shakey's Pizza?  When if the parents couldn't drive to their vacation, they go left with relatives for two weeks?

Today's generation of "parents"  are two generations removed from actually parenting in a meaningful way.

When I need to laugh, I look at LordZorch's profile.


What's funny about it? Gah.
 
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