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2013-08-21 06:28:25 PM
tag being for submitter, obviously. The 80's sucked.
 
2013-08-21 06:54:19 PM
I loved the 90's.

The 80's sucked.  My dad was laid off for most of the decade, we were dirt poor.  The 90's saw all that turn around.

It's purely anecdotal, but I've found that people that loved the 80's also love Saint Ronald Reagan.
 
2013-08-21 06:59:26 PM
I don't love St. Ronny but I do love the 80s. It was a fantastic decade for me and my family. The 90s weren't bad either, but the 80s were much better over all.
 
2013-08-21 07:03:38 PM
As a guy who graduated college in 1990, the 80s were shiat. The 90s were superior in every way that mattered.
 
2013-08-21 07:13:14 PM
The80s sucked in the 80s and they suck now.
 
2013-08-21 07:16:30 PM
The 90s were good times.  I guess the old racists don't care for them because they marked when hip-hop/rap culture really became mainstream, but there was plenty of good stuff going on.  History will remember Bill Clinton has one of our best Presidents ever.
 
2013-08-21 07:38:46 PM
So people tend to want to return to the relatively carefree days of their early 20s.  Huh.
 
2013-08-21 07:48:17 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: So people tend to want to return to the relatively carefree days of their early 20s.  Huh.


My early 20's saw 9/11 and the subsequent erosion of our civil rights, a war, and the late 20s saw a huge economic collapse.

I'll take the 90's over that.  The 2010-2020 could supplant that if things continue to get better.
 
2013-08-21 08:01:11 PM
It's because GenX came of age during the 90's, and there are less of us than any other generation.  That's it.  That explains it.

The 90's were farking awesome.  Unlike the 80's, bush trimming was in, and unlike the aughts, women didn't present themselves like 10 year olds in the pubic hair department.

Plus, we had the best alternative music scene by far.
 
2013-08-21 08:01:23 PM

TuteTibiImperes: The 90s were good times.  I guess the old racists don't care for them because they marked when hip-hop/rap culture really became mainstream, but there was plenty of good stuff going on.   History will remember Bill Clinton has one of our best Presidents ever.


Except for that whole "create a bubble that will implode the entire economy" thing.
 
2013-08-21 08:03:19 PM
Best thing about the '80s: The music

Worst thing about the '90s: The fashions
 
2013-08-21 08:26:53 PM

meat0918: I loved the 90's.

The 80's sucked.  My dad was laid off for most of the decade, we were dirt poor.  The 90's saw all that turn around.

It's purely anecdotal, but I've found that people that loved the 80's also love Saint Ronald Reagan.


I was never a Reagan fan, but I have a soft spot for the '80s because I was young and got drunk and laid a lot.
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2013-08-21 08:41:17 PM
1980's -  Worked my ass off every single day of the week, used and abused by employers who thought I was a slave and not an employee, literally couldn't afford to eat every day and rarely ate three meals a day
1990's -  BIG up swing in prosperity.  Got married, bought a house.  Nice balance between work and life
2000's -  Marriage going great, life was good, became a millionaire. Inherited a kid. Worked too damn much.
2010's -  Marriage still going good, became a multimillionaire.  Work my ass off every single day dealing with the problems of others.  Don't eat every meal, sometimes skip days eating because of too much work and health problems.  Dream of retiring every single day.
 
2013-08-21 08:44:00 PM
The 90s were awesome. I made a shiatload of money as a teenage doing fark all in programming. Gothic girls were plentiful, rock wasn't dead yet. The biggest problem we had as a nation was the President getting a blowjob.

scottydoesntknow: Worst thing about the '90s: The fashions


I don't even remember the 90s having fashions, besides the aforementioned gothic trend. Other than that, the 90s were pretty nondescript fashion-wise.
 
2013-08-21 08:51:42 PM
You can dance if you want to!!

/ 80 music is the best music
 
2013-08-21 08:56:48 PM

Mugato: The 90s were awesome. I made a shiatload of money as a teenage doing fark all in programming. Gothic girls were plentiful, rock wasn't dead yet. The biggest problem we had as a nation was the President getting a blowjob.

scottydoesntknow: Worst thing about the '90s: The fashions

I don't even remember the 90s having fashions, besides the aforementioned gothic trend. Other than that, the 90s were pretty nondescript fashion-wise.


Ah 90s goth-ness all that pasty white skin sans all those ugly tattoos.

I blame the Type O Neg / Pantera tour for ruining our goth goddesses
 
2013-08-21 09:00:09 PM
The 90s were great, the internet was wild and crazy back then and those of us on it and "got it" were the pioneers. Good times!

Computers are much better these days, though.
 
2013-08-21 09:04:24 PM

Mugato: I don't even remember the 90s having fashions, besides the aforementioned gothic trend. Other than that, the 90s were pretty nondescript fashion-wise.


Early 90s fashions were pretty atrocious, actually.
 
2013-08-21 09:04:38 PM
The 90's were pretty interesting in a lot of ways.  With the fall of the Soviet Union, we were the world's lone super power and we really didn't know what that meant, so we turned inward.  At a time when we should have achieved the dream of making America the Shining City on the Hill, we grew increasingly narcissistic and introverted, which helped set the stage for 9/11, the subprime bubble and the rise of the Tea Party.  At the same time, we discovered a way to monetize the internet  in a way that eventually redefined the economy, communications, science, etc.  The music sucked, but in Hollywood and television, the 90's were the last great decade of creativity before everything gave way to reboots and edgy remakes.
 
2013-08-21 09:08:57 PM
The 90's sucked
 
2013-08-21 09:18:31 PM

Mugato: The 90s were awesome. I made a shiatload of money as a teenage doing fark all in programming. Gothic girls were plentiful, rock wasn't dead yet. The biggest problem we had as a nation was the President getting a blowjob.

scottydoesntknow: Worst thing about the '90s: The fashions

I don't even remember the 90s having fashions, besides the aforementioned gothic trend. Other than that, the 90s were pretty nondescript fashion-wise.


Grunge, acid washed jeans, day-glo, odd geometric patterns, gaudy jewelry, etc.
 
2013-08-21 09:18:51 PM

Shostie: Early 90s fashions were pretty atrocious, actually.


I really don't really remember there being any 90s fashions. I can recognize 60s, 70, 80s fashions but what defined 90s fashion? Flannel?
 
2013-08-21 09:20:36 PM
The 90's was... um, were... uh, whatever.. awesome. The 80's sucked although I am slightly coming around on some of the music

cretinbob: The 90's sucked


You're dead to me
 
2013-08-21 09:20:42 PM

TuteTibiImperes: I don't even remember the 90s having fashions, besides the aforementioned gothic trend. Other than that, the 90s were pretty nondescript fashion-wise.

Grunge, acid washed jeans, day-glo, odd geometric patterns, gaudy jewelry, etc.


I guess I was out of the cool cliques, never saw any of that.
 
2013-08-21 09:21:02 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: / 80 music is the best music


This cannot be stressed enough.
 
2013-08-21 09:21:39 PM
I've noticed that people who insist that the 80s were superior to the 90s are also inexplicably still really into Foreigner and Night Ranger.
 
2013-08-21 09:22:29 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Mugato: The 90s were awesome. I made a shiatload of money as a teenage doing fark all in programming. Gothic girls were plentiful, rock wasn't dead yet. The biggest problem we had as a nation was the President getting a blowjob.

scottydoesntknow: Worst thing about the '90s: The fashions

I don't even remember the 90s having fashions, besides the aforementioned gothic trend. Other than that, the 90s were pretty nondescript fashion-wise.

Grunge, acid washed jeans, day-glo, odd geometric patterns, gaudy jewelry, etc.


Don't forget shoulder pads.
 
2013-08-21 09:22:55 PM

Mugato: Shostie: Early 90s fashions were pretty atrocious, actually.

I really don't really remember there being any 90s fashions. I can recognize 60s, 70, 80s fashions but what defined 90s fashion? Flannel?


What I mentioned above, plus the skater look really took off in the 90s, although that does sort of blend with grunge to a degree.  Plus the rave scene was a big 90s thing, which had it's own unique fashions that spewed over, a revival of grateful dead/phish inspired psuedo-70s retro-psychedelic, slap bracelets, glowing necklaces, etc.
 
2013-08-21 09:23:37 PM

cretinbob: The 90's sucked

 
2013-08-21 09:23:46 PM

TuteTibiImperes: The 90s were good times.  I guess the old racists don't care for them because they marked when hip-hop/rap culture really became mainstream, but there was plenty of good stuff going on.  History will remember Bill Clinton has one of our best Presidents ever.


lh3.ggpht.com
 
2013-08-21 09:24:22 PM
topnews.in
Oh yeah, the 80's were totally radical, dude.
/born '82, almost got an un-screened blood transfusion
//got lucky, really lucky
///was in the preemie ward w/ a bunch of crack babies
 
2013-08-21 09:24:36 PM
Mugato;   I really don't really remember there being any 90s fashions. I can recognize 60s, 70, 80s fashions but what defined 90s fashion? Flannel?


Zubaz.  Very baggy jeans.  Acid washed hip huggers for women.  Large ties.

Weird color patterns - watch old Seinfeld episodes or other sitcoms of the period.

IMHO, an appalling decade for clothes and I grew up (college, grad school) during that time.   And other than hip hop, it was a fairly awful decade for music as well.
 
2013-08-21 09:25:34 PM

meat0918: I loved the 90's.

The 80's sucked.  My dad was laid off for most of the decade, we were dirt poor.  The 90's saw all that turn around.

It's purely anecdotal, but I've found that people that loved the 80's also love Saint Ronald Reagan.


So you're saying that people tend to favor the guy that was President when they were doing well... You don't say.
 
2013-08-21 09:25:57 PM
'80s, you say?

userserve-ak.last.fm
 
2013-08-21 09:27:44 PM
It will take time, but as we move further away from it, it will be looked back upon as the peak of the American civilization. Its all down hill from there.
 
2013-08-21 09:31:00 PM
The 70's was the last best decade for freedom. The 90's for making money.
 
2013-08-21 09:31:40 PM

vygramul: '80s, you say?

[userserve-ak.last.fm image 500x500]


1968 - Saucerful of Secrets

1973 - Dark Side of the Moon
1977 - Animals
1979 - The Wall

1987 - A Momentary Lapse of Reason

/what was that about the 80s?
 
2013-08-21 09:31:55 PM
I didn't like the 90s overall mainly because cRap took over as the dominant form of music, but if hating cRap isnt a thing for you I guess otherwise the 90s was ok.

Liked the 80s and the first 7 or so years of the oughts was alright.
 
2013-08-21 09:32:04 PM
50's wins because BTTF
 
2013-08-21 09:32:14 PM
My entire high school and college were in the 90s,    Kicking the Big Head Todd, Son Volt, Dryvin' N Cryin', maybe some Blues Traveler. Don't forget the Widespread bro! There was even some decent country music, the album Seminole Wind comes to mind. The Playstation came out. Cell phones, the Internet. We went from having call waiting being an option on landlines to cable Internet. Lotta shiat happened.
 
2013-08-21 09:32:49 PM
Uh, who hates the 90s? I'm pretty sure Gen X and Y both like the 90s, baby boomers don't matter.
 
2013-08-21 09:34:01 PM
Nothing beats the 70's for me but that's when I was age 4 thru 14. If that's not the best part of your life, then I guess I feel sorry for you.
 
2013-08-21 09:35:38 PM

NFA: 1980's -  Worked my ass off every single day of the week, used and abused by employers who thought I was a slave and not an employee, literally couldn't afford to eat every day and rarely ate three meals a day
1990's -  BIG up swing in prosperity.  Got married, bought a house.  Nice balance between work and life
2000's -  Marriage going great, life was good, became a millionaire. Inherited a kid. Worked too damn much.
2010's -  Marriage still going good, became a multimillionaire.  Work my ass off every single day dealing with the problems of others.  Don't eat every meal, sometimes skip days eating because of too much work and health problems.  Dream of retiring every single day.


Hey, guess what?  If you're actually a multimillionaire you can retire right now today.
 
2013-08-21 09:35:56 PM

TuteTibiImperes: The 90s were good times.  I guess the old racists don't care for them because they marked when hip-hop/rap culture really became mainstream, but there was plenty of good stuff going on.  History will remember Bill Clinton has one of our best Presidents ever.


Because if you don't like hip hop, you are a racist?

/ I don't like it because it's shiat "music".
// fire away!
 
2013-08-21 09:37:06 PM

The English Major: The Stealth Hippopotamus: / 80 music is the best music

This cannot be stressed enough.


August 1, 1981 was the birth of MTV.  By the 90's, MTV had already started to suck.
 
2013-08-21 09:38:51 PM
People hate the 90s?

How can people hate Ren and Stimpy, Beavis and Butthead, Seinfeld, Lennie Brisco, Dookie, Smash, Tragic Kingdom, All Eyez on Me, the Simpsons, etc?
 
2013-08-21 09:38:56 PM
I love that alternative radio is starting to play a ton of music from the nineties.
 
2013-08-21 09:39:01 PM

TheJoe03: Uh, who hates the 90s? I'm pretty sure Gen X and Y both like the 90s, baby boomers don't matter.


Meh. The 90's is when I entered the real workforce. It's been pretty much all downhill since then.

/ more money, less joy
 
2013-08-21 09:39:08 PM
If you were a pro wrestling fan, the 90s were a pretty awesome time.
 
2013-08-21 09:39:20 PM
I have fond memories of both the 80s and 90s. The 90s just don't have a whole lot to differentiate them. Gen X was derided as a generation of slackers, then the Internet happened, and all bets were off. But it wasn't a particularly stylish decade. I mean, Reagan was REAGAN (PBUH), but Clinton was just kinda chill.

CruJones: Son Volt


Ahh, Son Volt. I never "got" Wilco, but I got Son Volt.
 
2013-08-21 09:39:40 PM

CruJones: My entire high school and college were in the 90s,    Kicking the Big Head Todd, Son Volt, Dryvin' N Cryin', maybe some Blues Traveler. Don't forget the Widespread bro! There was even some decent country music, the album Seminole Wind comes to mind. The Playstation came out. Cell phones, the Internet. We went from having call waiting being an option on landlines to cable Internet. Lotta shiat happened.


Yeah, the 90s were one hell of a leap forward technologically for the average person. Stuff that had been around for a decade or so FINALLY broke into the mainstream and the normal non-geek was beginning to experience a ton of computer tech in his/her daily life. Even though it took a few more years to really solidify it in the 2000s, the 90s laid the foundation for what we call regular life today.
 
2013-08-21 09:40:17 PM
The best decade is always the next to come. People just don't realize it yet.
 
2013-08-21 09:40:22 PM
The 90's were great. All that I learned in the 80's was how to stop shiatting myself and the alphabet. The 90's brought plenty of firsts. Jobs, girls, cars, and pretty much set me up for where I am now. And gas was ridiculously farking cheap.
 
2013-08-21 09:40:38 PM
I vote for the 1950's for one reason: poodle skirts and sweater puppies
 
2013-08-21 09:41:17 PM

InsaneJelloTroll: The best decade is always the next to come. People just don't realize it yet.


The Teens have sucked as far as the economy and my personal finances are concerned, but they're a hell of a lot better than the 2000s.
 
2013-08-21 09:41:49 PM

Nick Nostril: TuteTibiImperes: The 90s were good times.  I guess the old racists don't care for them because they marked when hip-hop/rap culture really became mainstream, but there was plenty of good stuff going on.  History will remember Bill Clinton has one of our best Presidents ever.

Because if you don't like hip hop, you are a racist?


No generation ever before the 90s embraced black music. Ever. Dumbass.
 
2013-08-21 09:41:56 PM
My 401(k) would love to see the 90s again.
 
2013-08-21 09:42:10 PM

Harry_Seldon: I vote for the 1950's for one reason: poodle skirts and sweater puppies


Fark the 50s. Goddamn Baby Boomers have gotten so old they believe that "Leave It To Beaver" is a documentary and not a scripted drama.
 
2013-08-21 09:42:24 PM
I just came here to shiat on the 80s. fark the 80s and it's "anything goes for cash and cocaine" values. The decade of shucking off solvency and embracing a life and national policy of permanent debt. The best thing about the 80s is that it's nothing more than a dim, sleazy memory.
 
2013-08-21 09:42:44 PM
70's were the best by far
Better bands/music/drugs/concerts/cars/movies /tv/etc
It was like everything learned from past decades finally came to fruition
Everything since then has been a poorly representive copy of trying to the same thing differently only better, somehow. But they have failed over and over
 
2013-08-21 09:42:53 PM

NFA: 1980's -  Worked my ass off every single day of the week, used and abused by employers who thought I was a slave and not an employee, literally couldn't afford to eat every day and rarely ate three meals a day
1990's -  BIG up swing in prosperity.  Got married, bought a house.  Nice balance between work and life
2000's -  Marriage going great, life was good, became a millionaire. Inherited a kid. Worked too damn much.
2010's -  Marriage still going good, became a multimillionaire.  Work my ass off every single day dealing with the problems of others.  Don't eat every meal, sometimes skip days eating because of too much work and health problems.  Dream of retiring every single day.


2013 - posted bullshiat fantasy life on Fark.com.
 
2013-08-21 09:44:02 PM
The 90's for me..  Lots and lots of sex for me.. goodtimes
 
2013-08-21 09:45:13 PM
Who are the maniacs that want to go back to the 40s?
 
2013-08-21 09:45:14 PM

NFA: 1980's -  Worked my ass off every single day of the week, used and abused by employers who thought I was a slave and not an employee, literally couldn't afford to eat every day and rarely ate three meals a day
1990's -  BIG up swing in prosperity.  Got married, bought a house.  Nice balance between work and life
2000's -  Marriage going great, life was good, became a millionaire. Inherited a kid. Worked too damn much.
2010's -  Marriage still going good, became a multimillionaire.  Work my ass off every single day dealing with the problems of others.  Don't eat every meal, sometimes skip days eating because of too much work and health problems.   Dream of retiring every single day.


You're on the high score list, man. You don't have to keep playing until your quarter's used up.
 
2013-08-21 09:45:38 PM

TuteTibiImperes: History will remember Bill Clinton has one of our best Presidents ever.


No.  He's no Washington, no Lincoln, no FDR, not even Eisenhower.  He'll be remembered as one of the best stewards ever, because he did a really great job of keeping his hands off things when the country was booming, but, at the same time, he signed in DOMA and Glass-Steagall repeals.
 
2013-08-21 09:47:12 PM

TheDumbBlonde: No generation ever before the 90s embraced black music.


Old douchebags always hated and feared black music.
 
2013-08-21 09:48:07 PM
Ah, the 90s. What a great decade to grow up in. The biggest problem to worry about was the president and something about a blow job! It was great, especially since my family could afford to buy our first computer in 1994, a Gateway 2000. Those things were solid back then.

Then, in 2001, I began my freshmen year of high school. 9/11 happened two or three weeks into the first semester.

Given the relative economic prosperity I can't imagine having anything less than positive feelings towards the 90s if I had experienced them as an adult. That is, other than that's when the current brand of Republican BS got its start with Newt and the fanatical hatred of Clinton.
 
2013-08-21 09:48:29 PM

AliceBToklasLives: vygramul: '80s, you say?

[userserve-ak.last.fm image 500x500]

1968 - Saucerful of Secrets

1973 - Dark Side of the Moon
1977 - Animals
1979 - The Wall

1987 - A Momentary Lapse of Reason

/what was that about the 80s?


Whoops - that was the movie that hit the '80s. Then again, The Final Cut was in the '80s.

But then there was:

The Clash: London Calling
U2: The Joshua Tree
The Police: Synchronicity
AC/DC: Back in Black

Then there were the movies:

Gandhi
Raiders of the Lost Ark
The Empire Strikes Back
Das Boot
The Killing Fields
Ran
Aliens
Full Metal Jacket
The Right Stuff
Blade Runner
Die Hard
Grave of the Fireflies
Glory
Scarface
The Terminator
The Princess Bride
A Fish Called Wanda

The '80s had some damn fine entertainment.
 
2013-08-21 09:48:52 PM
media.oregonlive.com

The 90s still live on
 
2013-08-21 09:49:55 PM
Nobody is allowed to say this on air, but Bill Clinton was a more popular president than Reagan.


sas-origin.onstreammedia.com
 
2013-08-21 09:51:36 PM
TuteTibiImperes [TotalFark]
2013-08-21 07:16:30 PM


The 90s were good times. I guess the old racists don't care for them because they marked when hip-hop/rap culture really became mainstream, but there was plenty of good stuff going on. History will remember Bill Clinton has one of our best Presidents ever.

* Don't ask don't tell
* Defense of Marriage Act
* Juanita Broaddrick
* White House FBI files controversy (found on clinton's desk)
* Attack of Yugoslavia (I know it's only wrong when bush attacks a nation w/o provocation)
* Waco (Hey it's ok to murder people whose religion you disagree with)
* Elián González
* Whitewater
* Commercegate
* Chinagate
* Bombing of Iraq (I know it's only wrong when bush does it)
* Cruise missile strikes on Afghanistan
* Cruise missile strikes on Sudan
* Al-Shifa pharmaceutical factory bombing
* Refusal to accept osama bin ladin as a prisoner.


yeah... hell of a decade
* Gennifer Flowers
 
2013-08-21 09:51:44 PM
Well as a VFX guy and a programmer, the 90s kicked all that shiat in high gear. As far as music goes, metal was still hanging on, even though the college pussy rock and grunge was creeping in. There were three Star Trek shows on but other than that TV was kind of lame besides Seinfeld, South Park and the Simpsons. It was a kick ass decade for getting startup website money and goth girls. Then everything went to shiat in 2001.
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2013-08-21 09:51:47 PM

lewismarktwo: Hey, guess what?  If you're actually a multimillionaire you can retire right now today.


Nope, I can't.  Three years I'll be ready everything will be square, healthcare, monthly income, I'll be done.
 
2013-08-21 09:52:44 PM
The 90s were too recent to be nostalgic and too far back to be recent. Also I was in high school in the 90s and hated it, and had a lot of other bad shiat going on. Don't miss much of that decade. Did have a lot of fun playing hours of Doom and Quake deathmatch though.
 
2013-08-21 09:53:39 PM
I refer to the 90s as the great depression.  Everyone was on Prozac, listened to Nirvana, and wore flannel shirts.  Complete opposite of the 80s.  Fear of nuclear war and AIDS caused everyone to start a decade long party.  It started the modern gay rights movement when a lot of confused young men turned on MTV and saw rock stars that were prettier than their girlfriends.  Although those rock stars were really just emulating Freddie Mercury and Queen from the mid 70s.  The 80s were a really strange decade that can't be understood if you didn't live through it.  I'm still a little confused about it, really.
 
2013-08-21 09:54:04 PM
i.imgur.com
The peak of your civilization.
 
2013-08-21 09:54:11 PM

jaytkay: Nobody is allowed to say this on air, but Bill Clinton was a more popular president than Reagan.


[sas-origin.onstreammedia.com image 514x304]


Clinton just screwed a couple chicks.

Reagan screwed EVERYONE
 
2013-08-21 09:55:00 PM
The 80's were fantastic. The music, the movies everything. Even the 90's were good. It's the first decade of the 2000's that REALLY sucked.
 
2013-08-21 09:55:20 PM
So many sad, deluded people in this thread.
 
2013-08-21 09:55:40 PM
As much as the 90s had a good economy the seeds of our late oughts collapse where sewn in the 90s, NAFTA.
 
2013-08-21 09:55:55 PM

NFA: lewismarktwo: Hey, guess what?  If you're actually a multimillionaire you can retire right now today.

Nope, I can't.  Three years I'll be ready everything will be square, healthcare, monthly income, I'll be done.


So I guess those millions are in Zimbabwe dollars?
 
2013-08-21 09:56:00 PM

Tax Boy: jaytkay: Nobody is allowed to say this on air, but Bill Clinton was a more popular president than Reagan.


[sas-origin.onstreammedia.com image 514x304]

Clinton just screwed a couple chicks.

Reagan screwed EVERYONE


And gays
 
2013-08-21 09:56:34 PM

bhcompy: TuteTibiImperes: History will remember Bill Clinton has one of our best Presidents ever.

No.  He's no Washington, no Lincoln, no FDR, not even Eisenhower.  He'll be remembered as one of the best stewards ever, because he did a really great job of keeping his hands off things when the country was booming, but, at the same time, he signed in DOMA and Glass-Steagall repeals.


What did Eisenhower do that was so special? Interstate highways? That hardly qualifies as "best" I think.

Sure, by current Republican Presidential standards he was top-notch, but that's not saying much.
 
2013-08-21 09:57:20 PM

TheJoe03: TheDumbBlonde: No generation ever before the 90s embraced black music.

Old douchebags always hated and feared black music.


Old douchebags have been making black musicians rich for a century.
 
2013-08-21 09:59:33 PM

NFA: 1980's -  Worked my ass off every single day of the week, used and abused by employers who thought I was a slave and not an employee, literally couldn't afford to eat every day and rarely ate three meals a day
1990's -  BIG up swing in prosperity.  Got married, bought a house.  Nice balance between work and life
2000's -  Marriage going great, life was good, became a millionaire. Inherited a kid. Worked too damn much.
2010's -  Marriage still going good, became a multimillionaire.  Work my ass off every single day dealing with the problems of others.  Don't eat every meal, sometimes skip days eating because of too much work and health problems.   Dream of retiring every single day.


If you're a multimillionaire, couldn't you just quit and start investing wisely? Even just a few million in a decent interest baring account could work out pretty well.
 
2013-08-21 09:59:39 PM
dude, the 90s are gonna make the 60s look like the 80s. don't you know that?

farm2.staticflickr.com

okay i could have done without the baby boomer nostalgia but I had a great time and was actually marketed to for the first time in my life, that brief period around the time Reality Bites came out before advertisers figured out Gen X ain't got no money and don't care

the 80s were better in retrospect than the day to day reality 'cause where the hell are you gonna hear the Minutemen in a small town in Iowa?
 
2013-08-21 10:00:00 PM
90's sucked.  Music sucked, people sucked, goths suck, tv sucked (the invention of "reality" shows), everything sucked.
 
2013-08-21 10:01:41 PM
Gen x, y, z whatever. Blurred epochs.

Any teenager/college student of the 80's, and very early 90's before the internet was big, understands something that makes us very special.

Porn was two dimensional in a magazine, or your got a VHS tape from a closet at the video store and hoped the cute teenage girl checking you at the register didn't judge you because it was tranny porn.
 
2013-08-21 10:02:27 PM
Oh man...

Look at all those old farts in their retirement homes wishing they could travel back to the 1950's.

Die already!
 
2013-08-21 10:02:48 PM
eh, pretty much things starting going downhill after the 90's.  I remember being so hopeful on new years eve 1999.  Sad to see how things are turning out in our society and globally.  Hopefully the next generation will do better because the babyboomers are turned out to be selfish assholes with no sense of sacrifice or honor.
 
2013-08-21 10:04:16 PM
Oh, and the '80s were lame the whole hair metal thing was terrible, the only good music came from the fringes. The '90s actually had better musical diversity - inspired by the fringe '80s stuff, better pot, easier money, better cars. Women were more sexually experimental, but that whole overall schtick was awful.
 
2013-08-21 10:04:43 PM
I'd jump on the 90s, if for no other reason than the tech boom.

Let me explain this to the youths.  Back in this mystical era around 1996, people actually got paid solid cash for putting things in HTML.  No, no.. I'm not talking about Ruby on Rails, six jQuery frameworks, and 300 CSS templates for a half-hearted handjob, like today.  I'm talking about "A HREF", "BLINK", "TABLE TR TD", resizing GIFs, and uploading them paid actual money.  Things we expect competent first graders to do today.  If you could string together 50 lines of C or Perl, you were a demigod.
 
2013-08-21 10:05:32 PM

dr_blasto: Oh, and the '80s were lame the whole hair metal thing was terrible, the only good music came from the fringes. The '90s actually had better musical diversity - inspired by the fringe '80s stuff, better pot, easier money, better cars. Women were more sexually experimental, but that whole overall schtick was awful.


Overall, as in overalls. People started dressing like farmer Bob for chrissakes.

The '00s? They were a void. The lost decade.
 
2013-08-21 10:06:00 PM
farm8.staticflickr.com
www.skooldays.com
www.creativecrash.com
xspy.com
3.bp.blogspot.com
oyster.ignimgs.com
www.icmag.com
www.bombdecks.com

I turned 19 in 1970.  Those of us who lived it know the best decade.
 
2013-08-21 10:06:13 PM

AliceBToklasLives: vygramul: '80s, you say?

[userserve-ak.last.fm image 500x500]

1968 - Saucerful of Secrets

1973 - Dark Side of the Moon
1977 - Animals
1979 - The Wall

1987 - A Momentary Lapse of Reason

/what was that about the 80s?


Uh-hmmmm...

www.vinylrecords.ch

Wish You Were Here- 1975
 
2013-08-21 10:08:45 PM
70s absolutely sucked ass.

80s things got a lot better, particularly the mid-late 80s.

90s is when things went south creatively. Music started to suck, movies started getting into the blockbuster/sequel mentality, only TV was better.

The bubble-based/pre-Y2K economy was in full bloom.

/the butthurt lefties biatching about the 80s forgot how bad things got in the 70s, especially for the US on the world stage.
 
2013-08-21 10:09:25 PM

NewWorldDan: I refer to the 90s as the great depression.  Everyone was on Prozac, listened to Nirvana, and wore flannel shirts.  Complete opposite of the 80s.  Fear of nuclear war and AIDS caused everyone to start a decade long party.  It started the modern gay rights movement when a lot of confused young men turned on MTV and saw rock stars that were prettier than their girlfriends.  Although those rock stars were really just emulating Freddie Mercury and Queen from the mid 70s.  The 80s were a really strange decade that can't be understood if you didn't live through it.  I'm still a little confused about it, really.


There was an amazing level of creativity in the 80's that hasn't been matched since.
 
2013-08-21 10:09:33 PM

69gnarkill69: [farm8.staticflickr.com image 415x640]
[www.skooldays.com image 500x397]
[www.creativecrash.com image 575x431]
[xspy.com image 600x811]
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 576x864]
[oyster.ignimgs.com image 550x360]
[www.icmag.com image 260x336]
[www.bombdecks.com image 682x421]

I turned 19 in 1970.  Those of us who lived it know the best decade.


Yea, except those female bell bottoms are being worn by Robert Plant
 
2013-08-21 10:10:38 PM

Lawnchair: Let me explain this to the youths. Back in this mystical era around 1996, people actually got paid solid cash for putting things in HTML. No, no.. I'm not talking about Ruby on Rails, six jQuery frameworks, and 300 CSS templates for a half-hearted handjob, like today. I'm talking about "A HREF", "BLINK", "TABLE TR TD", resizing GIFs, and uploading them paid actual money. Things we expect competent first graders to do today. If you could string together 50 lines of C or Perl, you were a demigod.


Listen to this man. He knows.
 
2013-08-21 10:11:07 PM
Republicans hate the 90s -- do tell.  Only one explanation for that -- Clinton's cock.
 
2013-08-21 10:11:26 PM
The 90's were entirely nondescript and lacking in personality.
 
2013-08-21 10:12:43 PM

Triumph: Who are the maniacs that want to go back to the 40s?


I'm more concerned by the people who want to go back to the 1900s.
 
2013-08-21 10:13:23 PM

peterthx: /the butthurt lefties biatching about the 80s forgot how bad things got in the 70s, especially for the US on the world stage.


No, the 70s blew chunks, but even then the US was still a creditor nation because Reagan hadn't turned the debt taps on to really grease up the military-industrial complex.
 
2013-08-21 10:13:54 PM

NFA: lewismarktwo: Hey, guess what?  If you're actually a multimillionaire you can retire right now today.

Nope, I can't.  Three years I'll be ready everything will be square, healthcare, monthly income, I'll be done.


You can, and still live more comfortably than most people. You choose not to because you want to continue living like the people in your social circle.
 
2013-08-21 10:13:58 PM
Best thing about the nineties: Over size sport coats.
 
2013-08-21 10:15:59 PM

Mentat: NewWorldDan: I refer to the 90s as the great depression.  Everyone was on Prozac, listened to Nirvana, and wore flannel shirts.  Complete opposite of the 80s.  Fear of nuclear war and AIDS caused everyone to start a decade long party.  It started the modern gay rights movement when a lot of confused young men turned on MTV and saw rock stars that were prettier than their girlfriends.  Although those rock stars were really just emulating Freddie Mercury and Queen from the mid 70s.  The 80s were a really strange decade that can't be understood if you didn't live through it.  I'm still a little confused about it, really.

There was an amazing level of creativity in the 80's that hasn't been matched since.


I'll buy the creativity angle only if you look waaay outside the mainstream musical genres. That stuff matured and became the soundtrack of the early to mid '90s, past that too, if you're willing to look for it. That shiat's mostly all gone now, way too difficult to recoup an investment in any recordings that sound worth a damn.

Only a couple of big corporations own something like 90% of any decent sized venues, so touring - unless you're corporate-approved - is ten times harder and more likely to fail. It is sad, really.
 
2013-08-21 10:19:16 PM

Triumph: Who are the maniacs that want to go back to the 40s?


If I went back to the 40's I could help a certain leader to correct a few mistakes and then trick him out of his chancellory and become ruler of the world.
 
2013-08-21 10:19:47 PM

TheDumbBlonde: Nick Nostril: TuteTibiImperes: The 90s were good times.  I guess the old racists don't care for them because they marked when hip-hop/rap culture really became mainstream, but there was plenty of good stuff going on.  History will remember Bill Clinton has one of our best Presidents ever.

Because if you don't like hip hop, you are a racist?

No generation ever before the 90s embraced black music. Ever. Dumbass.


I mean, there was soul, funk, mo-town, jazz, etc, all before, but it was always more niche and often co-opted by white artists who became the really famous ones.  The late 80s into the 90s really saw black artists achieving the same level of success and mainstream public appeal as white ones.

OnlyM3: TuteTibiImperes [TotalFark]
2013-08-21 07:16:30 PM


The 90s were good times. I guess the old racists don't care for them because they marked when hip-hop/rap culture really became mainstream, but there was plenty of good stuff going on. History will remember Bill Clinton has one of our best Presidents ever.
* Don't ask don't tell
* Defense of Marriage Act
* Juanita Broaddrick
* White House FBI files controversy (found on clinton's desk)
* Attack of Yugoslavia (I know it's only wrong when bush attacks a nation w/o provocation)
* Waco (Hey it's ok to murder people whose religion you disagree with)
* Elián González
* Whitewater
* Commercegate
* Chinagate
* Bombing of Iraq (I know it's only wrong when bush does it)
* Cruise missile strikes on Afghanistan
* Cruise missile strikes on Sudan
* Al-Shifa pharmaceutical factory bombing
* Refusal to accept osama bin ladin as a prisoner.


Sure there were a few missteps, but most of that was either minor, manufactured controversy, or at least had the potential damage minimized.

There were no long protracted wars, the economy was booming, and our overseas conflicts were in the name of saving the oppressed and preventing genocide.  All in all Clinton's scorecard is pretty dang good.
 
2013-08-21 10:21:43 PM

theorellior: Lawnchair: Let me explain this to the youths. Back in this mystical era around 1996, people actually got paid solid cash for putting things in HTML. No, no.. I'm not talking about Ruby on Rails, six jQuery frameworks, and 300 CSS templates for a half-hearted handjob, like today. I'm talking about "A HREF", "BLINK", "TABLE TR TD", resizing GIFs, and uploading them paid actual money. Things we expect competent first graders to do today. If you could string together 50 lines of C or Perl, you were a demigod.

Listen to this man. He knows.


Heh, I remember thinking disdainfully about anyone using WYSIWYG programs to make web pages.  If you couldn't write it in notepad, it didn't need to be on the web.  Oh how the times have changed.
 
2013-08-21 10:24:21 PM
It's probably because the '90s are so recent. The decade doesn't yet have that exotic allure for a lot of people.

The '90s were a cool decade (though no decade will ever be as cool as the '20s).
 
2013-08-21 10:27:46 PM

scottydoesntknow: TuteTibiImperes: Mugato: The 90s were awesome. I made a shiatload of money as a teenage doing fark all in programming. Gothic girls were plentiful, rock wasn't dead yet. The biggest problem we had as a nation was the President getting a blowjob.

scottydoesntknow: Worst thing about the '90s: The fashions

I don't even remember the 90s having fashions, besides the aforementioned gothic trend. Other than that, the 90s were pretty nondescript fashion-wise.

Grunge, acid washed jeans, day-glo, odd geometric patterns, gaudy jewelry, etc.

Don't forget shoulder pads.


Not sure if you guys are being serious or not, but none of the stuff in bold was 90's fashion.  Sure maybe in the early 90's there were still people wearing it, but that was carry over from the 80's which has got to be the ugliest decade for hair and fashion.

The 90's was mostly grunge (flannel shirts, ripped jeans, band t-shirts), hip hop (baggy pants, over-sized sports jerseys, large puffy coats), raver gear (phat pants, tight t-shirts/baby t's, over-sized sweaters), punk/ska (plaid pants, pleather, ripped stuff, safety pins, chains - I know some of it was carryover from the late 70's), goth gear (we all know what this looks like), bell-bottoms came back into style thankfully after the 80's were all about tight/tapered jeans, admittedly the very early 90's had tacky hammer pants but that was more of a carry over from the 80's.  These are the "iconic" fashion from the 90's.  This is not to argue that the fashion was good, but it was better than the 80's.  Also most of it was fairly normal/non-descript outside of what was listed.
 
2013-08-21 10:28:41 PM

OnlyM3: TuteTibiImperes [TotalFark]
2013-08-21 07:16:30 PM


The 90s were good times. I guess the old racists don't care for them because they marked when hip-hop/rap culture really became mainstream, but there was plenty of good stuff going on. History will remember Bill Clinton has one of our best Presidents ever.
* Don't ask don't tell
* Defense of Marriage Act
* Juanita Broaddrick
* White House FBI files controversy (found on clinton's desk)
* Attack of Yugoslavia (I know it's only wrong when bush attacks a nation w/o provocation)
* Waco (Hey it's ok to murder people whose religion you disagree with)
* Elián González
* Whitewater
* Commercegate
* Chinagate
* Bombing of Iraq (I know it's only wrong when bush does it)
* Cruise missile strikes on Afghanistan
* Cruise missile strikes on Sudan
* Al-Shifa pharmaceutical factory bombing
* Refusal to accept osama bin ladin as a prisoner.


yeah... hell of a decade
* Gennifer Flowers


You forgot Lewinsky and McDonalds. So, so close to perfection. It's omissions like this that keep the true artist up night.
 
2013-08-21 10:29:32 PM
Sorry,

But acid washed jeans were a 1980s fashion faux paus.  And only headbangers and poor kids had them.

I grew up in New Orleans, and the hip crowd wore Girbaud on the guys, guess on the girls, and bleached out Levis.
 
2013-08-21 10:29:44 PM

The English Major: The Stealth Hippopotamus: / 80 music is the best music

This cannot be stressed enough.


Only because Michael Jackson was at his best. fark if you say otherwise.
 
2013-08-21 10:30:02 PM

Lsherm: It's because GenX came of age during the 90's, and there are less of us than any other generation.  That's it.  That explains it.

The 90's were farking awesome.  Unlike the 80's, bush trimming was in, and unlike the aughts, women didn't present themselves like 10 year olds in the pubic hair department.

Plus, we had the best alternative music scene by far.


GenX came of age during the 80s, not the 90s. 90s everything sucked. Music and fashion especially. The 80s had video games, computers, and music that was at least interesting even when it sucked. The 90s gave way to "just got out of bed" fashion and lifeless music almost universally.

/80s boy
//Reagan sucked
///90s REALLY sucked
 
2013-08-21 10:31:32 PM
The 70's had this...which  seems like a good thing

www.lifelounge.com.au
 
2013-08-21 10:31:38 PM
The 90s has no style that's easy to encapsulate and re-deliver as nostalgia.  This is not necessarily a bad thing (one could argue that it suggests nuance), but it may mean that the decade does get glossed over in a lot of ways.

But I do think it is actually lacking in quality style.  What 90s car could you actually imagine being a legitimate collector's item?

The 00s and 10s may be farked too--I would say the quality is starting to get somewhere, but it's still kind of stuck in a plasticky tech stage that exhibits elegance the 90s lacked, but still needs to mature some more.  The late 10s and early 20s might be huge.
 
2013-08-21 10:32:19 PM
Let me simplify this for everyone here. The best decade in history is the decade between whenever you turned six and whenever you turned sixteen.

/For me, that was the Sixties.
 
2013-08-21 10:34:18 PM
I'd like to have lived as a young adult during the 1920s.

There were cars, phones, radio, lighting and indoor plumbing.   Long distance travel was do-able, WW1 was over and things wouldnt boil over again for another decade.  People were working and partying, and technology was in the early stages of taking off.

It must have seemed like anything was possible and anyone who had the motivation could be swept along with the progress happening around them.
 
2013-08-21 10:34:36 PM
One problem is that the 90s have only barely ended.  The Boomer generation is just so large that we've only stopped hashing Vietnam over in the last three years.  We have The Simpsons parodying Rush Limbaugh hating on Hillary Clinton and backing Newt Gingrich.   2013... it's 1992 with iPads.

Nixon was on the stage that long (early '50s to 74), but really, exception that proves the rule.
 
2013-08-21 10:36:32 PM

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: Let me simplify this for everyone here. The best decade in history is the decade between whenever you turned six and whenever you turned sixteen.

/For me, that was the Sixties.


So the late 90s and early 00s? I'll take it.
 
2013-08-21 10:40:24 PM

TuteTibiImperes: All in all Clinton's scorecard is pretty dang good.


Ummmm... No.

The destruction of the middle class was all set up under Clinton.

The financial crisis had it's roots in a couple of major blunders under Clinton.

dl.dropboxusercontent.com

Repealing Glass Steagall which allowed for the creation of "too big to jail" banks, and the Clinton administration forcing the head of the Commodities Futures Trading Commission to back down on her attempt to regulate derivatives.

In The Warning, veteran FRONTLINE producer Michael Kirk unearths the hidden history of the nation's worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. At the center of it all he finds Brooksley Born, who speaks for the first time on television about her failed campaign to regulate the secretive, multitrillion-dollar derivatives market whose crash helped trigger the financial collapse in the fall of 2008.

Then, there was Clinton's role in passing the first of the free trade agreements that allowed the filthy rich to move the manufactuing jobs outside the United States without any sort of financial penalty when they brought the finished goods back inside the country.

It's no accident that Detroit has gone from the fourth largest city in the United States and one of the largest manufacturing centers in the world, to a burnt out, abandoned husk.

Clinton while signing the NAFTA bill stated: "...NAFTA means jobs. American jobs, and good-paying American jobs. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't support this agreement."

That was a lie that would come to play an enormous role in the destruction of the middle class.
 
2013-08-21 10:41:08 PM

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: The best decade in history is the decade between whenever you turned six and whenever you turned sixteen.


I have thanked God several times that me and my shy, reclusive, trenchcoat-wearing, Anarchist cookbook reading, hyper-cynical (and, no, entirely harmless) friends all graduated high school in the 3-4 years before Columbine, not the years since.
 
2013-08-21 10:43:32 PM

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: Let me simplify this for everyone here. The best decade in history is the decade between whenever you turned six and whenever you turned sixteen.

/For me, that was the Sixties.


There also seems to be a usual consensus that whatever decade was 20 years ago from the present was bad.
 
2013-08-21 10:43:41 PM

TuteTibiImperes: All in all Clinton's scorecard is pretty dang good.


Depends on how you look at not stepping in front of globalization, really.  Like I said earlier in the thread, he was the perfect steward.  He didn't do much but keep out of the way, but just like meddling that doesn't always produce the best results.  The economic impacts of a president are felt for years after they leave.  Reagan's actions(and Bush Sr) helped Clinton, Clinton's actions hurt Jr, and Jr's actions hurt Obama
 
2013-08-21 10:46:26 PM

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: Let me simplify this for everyone here. The best decade in history is the decade between whenever you turned six and whenever you turned sixteen.

/For me, that was the Sixties.


THIS!

Late 60s to mid 70s.
 
2013-08-21 10:46:26 PM
Was a fun and carefree decade for me.  img.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-21 10:47:51 PM

Lawnchair: I'd jump on the 90s, if for no other reason than the tech boom.

Let me explain this to the youths.  Back in this mystical era around 1996, people actually got paid solid cash for putting things in HTML.  No, no.. I'm not talking about Ruby on Rails, six jQuery frameworks, and 300 CSS templates for a half-hearted handjob, like today.  I'm talking about "A HREF", "BLINK", "TABLE TR TD", resizing GIFs, and uploading them paid actual money.  Things we expect competent first graders to do today.  If you could string together 50 lines of C or Perl, you were a demigod.


You do realize that there's a REASON why there was a tech bubble right?  It was about 20% that and 80% "people conflated users with money".

/And much as I think there's currently a tech bubble, it's not because of that.
 
das
2013-08-21 10:48:39 PM
Seems like the louder the butt-hurt; the younger the whiner.
 
2013-08-21 10:49:24 PM

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: Let me simplify this for everyone here. The best decade in history is the decade between whenever you turned six and whenever you turned sixteen.

/For me, that was the Sixties.


Sixties wasn't my decade but it's my favorite.

The 90's had its moments, depending on what you liked whether it was music or "fashion" or movies. Some of the best foods and drinks came from that decade.
 
2013-08-21 10:51:11 PM

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: Let me simplify this for everyone here. The best decade in history is the decade between whenever you turned six and whenever you turned sixteen.

/For me, that was the Sixties.


I agree. 8 to 18 was the 90s here.
 
2013-08-21 10:52:10 PM
I like the decades when there wasn't social media, blogging, texting, tweeting, hash tagging and posting every minute detail of someone's life.
 
2013-08-21 10:52:36 PM
nineties were good, music kinda fell apart towards the end of the decade though
eighties were meh to ok during, but in retrospect they were shiate

/big surprise republicans like the 80s and 50s and hated the 90s
 
2013-08-21 10:52:49 PM
 
2013-08-21 10:53:29 PM

Fallout Boy: The English Major: The Stealth Hippopotamus: / 80 music is the best music

This cannot be stressed enough.

Only because Michael Jackson was at his best. fark if you say otherwise.


No love for the Violent Femmes first album?  Canadian artists, Ferris and Tom Cruise, muscle shirts and turned up collars, Miller Lite and Colt 45, Blues Brothers and Animal House, the Techniques mk1200 turntable/ beat on beat mixing, "The Wall" featuring Bob Geldoff as "Pink".

Michael had "Off the Wall" and "Thriller".  He went batshiat crazy after that.  His follow up to Thriller was weak.  Props go out to Weird Al for filling in the void MJ left in his wake.
 
2013-08-21 10:56:59 PM
www.isteroids.com
 
2013-08-21 10:57:58 PM
I'm going to guess that the decade in which sex was first discovered by an individual  would probably be the same time frame reminisced upon as the best decade ever.
 
2013-08-21 10:58:30 PM

Zeno-25: That is, other than that's when the current brand of Republican BS got its start with Newt and the fanatical hatred of Clinton.


If you can't beat them, hate them.
 
2013-08-21 10:59:43 PM
I loved the 90s- it was the most nostalgic decade for me. (Grant that I was 5 when it ended, but...)
 
2013-08-21 11:04:16 PM

vygramul: '80s, you say?

[userserve-ak.last.fm image 500x500]


That album came out in 1979.  I guess you are referring to the movie, which came out in 82?
 
2013-08-21 11:05:55 PM

Harry_Seldon: The 70's had this...which  seems like a good thing

[www.lifelounge.com.au image 338x500]


I & just about every other teenage girl lived in those during the late 1970s. The only thing I hated about them: having an upside-down "U" on my butt after taking them off at the end of the day.
 
2013-08-21 11:06:32 PM

BullBearMS: TuteTibiImperes: All in all Clinton's scorecard is pretty dang good.

Ummmm... No.

The destruction of the middle class was all set up under Clinton.

The financial crisis had it's roots in a couple of major blunders under Clinton.

[dl.dropboxusercontent.com image 415x249]

Repealing Glass Steagall which allowed for the creation of "too big to jail" banks, and the Clinton administration forcing the head of the Commodities Futures Trading Commission to back down on her attempt to regulate derivatives.

In The Warning, veteran FRONTLINE producer Michael Kirk unearths the hidden history of the nation's worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. At the center of it all he finds Brooksley Born, who speaks for the first time on television about her failed campaign to regulate the secretive, multitrillion-dollar derivatives market whose crash helped trigger the financial collapse in the fall of 2008.

Then, there was Clinton's role in passing the first of the free trade agreements that allowed the filthy rich to move the manufactuing jobs outside the United States without any sort of financial penalty when they brought the finished goods back inside the country.

It's no accident that Detroit has gone from the fourth largest city in the United States and one of the largest manufacturing centers in the world, to a burnt out, abandoned husk.

Clinton while signing the NAFTA bill stated: "...NAFTA means jobs. American jobs, and good-paying American jobs. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't support this agreement."

That was a lie that would come to play an enormous role in the destruction of the middle class.


It sounds like you want strong financial regulation returned regarding Glass Steagall, and punishment for the trend of off sourcing caused by NAFTA. I'm all about your newspaper, sign me up!

Could you eviscerate the Bush Administration for the Patriot Act? XXXOOO
 
2013-08-21 11:06:38 PM
The 90s are an under-rated decade overall. I was born in 84 -- so I got to appreciate a little bit of the 80s, but I was a full-blown 90s kid. That transition period has to be one of the greatest times to be a kid. Entertainment was top notch -- from the great cartoons, to a few classic sitcoms and even the advent of modern dramatic television with The Sopranos. Throw in a bunch of classic early 90s films and probably the best thing to happen to music since the mid 70's (yes, I'm talking about grunge) and there's tons of great stuff to go around.  Home computers were around before the 90s, but it wasn't until AOL started making internet accessible to the masses that it really started taking off. It was a time of relative peace as far as wars go and there was no real major political upheaval and I think for the most part Americans were happy with life. All that pretty much ended with Columbine -- to me that was the start of our country and almost the rest of the world getting farked in the head. About 2 years later we have 9/11 and from that day forth the world was forever changed.

/oh yeah, the 90s had some of the coolest farking toys ever. Nerf bow & arrow, super soakers (the real ones!) and teenage mutant ninja turtles. Who didn't gobble that shiat up?
 
2013-08-21 11:09:55 PM

BullBearMS: TuteTibiImperes: All in all Clinton's scorecard is pretty dang good.

Ummmm... No.

The destruction of the middle class was all set up under Clinton.

The financial crisis had it's roots in a couple of major blunders under Clinton.

[dl.dropboxusercontent.com image 415x249]

Repealing Glass Steagall which allowed for the creation of "too big to jail" banks, and the Clinton administration forcing the head of the Commodities Futures Trading Commission to back down on her attempt to regulate derivatives.

In The Warning, veteran FRONTLINE producer Michael Kirk unearths the hidden history of the nation's worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. At the center of it all he finds Brooksley Born, who speaks for the first time on television about her failed campaign to regulate the secretive, multitrillion-dollar derivatives market whose crash helped trigger the financial collapse in the fall of 2008.

Then, there was Clinton's role in passing the first of the free trade agreements that allowed the filthy rich to move the manufactuing jobs outside the United States without any sort of financial penalty when they brought the finished goods back inside the country.

It's no accident that Detroit has gone from the fourth largest city in the United States and one of the largest manufacturing centers in the world, to a burnt out, abandoned husk.

Clinton while signing the NAFTA bill stated: "...NAFTA means jobs. American jobs, and good-paying American jobs. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't support this agreement."

That was a lie that would come to play an enormous role in the destruction of the middle class.


NAFTA isn't the demon of job outsourcing.  China is the real problem, and our imports from China more that doubled under Bush Jr.  Detroit's decline can be traced to a number of reasons, but we still build more care in the US that we do in Mexico, the foreign companies have just set up plants in southern right-to-get-screwed states instead of Detroit to avoid paying the wages the unions (rightfully) demand.

While Clinton may have deregulated, it was Bush Jr. that really allowed the system to be abused, and caused the collapse.

All I know is that the economy was awesome under Clinton, it collapsed during  Bush Jr.'s term, but it's coming back under Obama.
 
2013-08-21 11:09:58 PM
static.tvtropes.org
 
2013-08-21 11:10:23 PM

bhcompy: TuteTibiImperes: All in all Clinton's scorecard is pretty dang good.

Depends on how you look at not stepping in front of globalization, really.  Like I said earlier in the thread, he was the perfect steward.  He didn't do much but keep out of the way, but just like meddling that doesn't always produce the best results.  The economic impacts of a president are felt for years after they leave.  Reagan's actions(and Bush Sr) helped Clinton, Clinton's actions hurt Jr, and Jr's actions hurt Obama


Globalization was a freight train that stepping in front of wouldn't have helped too much.  Not that you'd expect much 'stepping' from Third Way Clinton or his Board of Directors at Walmart wife.  We were able to keep up our classical Hamiltonian protectionism up through the 1960s.  The third world was barely out of colonial bondage. Europe was wrecked. The container ship (and later fibre-optic cable) wasn't a thing.  And the US had everything it needed, really.  Enough food, enough water, enough labor, and, importantly, enough energy. Nothing we imported pre-60s (tea or bananas) was nearly so core to the economy. Once cheap Texas crude starting dwindling around 1970, we, for the first time,  had to trade. Globalization starts from that point.
 
2013-08-21 11:19:33 PM

TuteTibiImperes: NAFTA isn't the demon of job outsourcing.


I've said for a while... NAFTA could have been one thing.  Look, Mexico's problems are our problems. Geography makes it so.  If we had stuck with NAFTA as a decades-long project to raise living standards in Mexico through free trade and eventual evening out of things like workers' rights and social safety net? That could have been huge. And possible.

Instead, after five years of maquiladoras, Mexicans wanted the next rung on the ladder up. The big companies got greedy. They said, "hey this cheap labor is great... how about we move to China where the wages are even lower and the officials are even more bribeable?"

A rising tide may lift all boats.  But you need one hell of a tide to raise 2.5 billion boats in China and India.  It become less 'normalizing to the US standard of living' and more 'normalizing to the Chinese standard of living'.
 
2013-08-21 11:24:05 PM
The 80s rocked for me. The 90s aren't far enough in the past to be missed yet.
 
2013-08-21 11:26:07 PM

djkutch: Could you eviscerate the Bush Administration for the Patriot Act? XXXOOO


It's been done.

dl.dropboxusercontent.com
 
2013-08-21 11:28:09 PM
Grunge Music
Ska
Electronic Raves
Even Big Band music had a go at in the 90s.

vs

Hair Bands.
 
2013-08-21 11:33:44 PM
 
2013-08-21 11:36:22 PM

BullBearMS: TuteTibiImperes: NAFTA isn't the demon of job outsourcing.

Sure. Everyone can make a living wage working at Starbucks or McDonalds!

You're farking delusional.

Clinton set the destruction of America's middle class into motion and it only picked up steam from there on.
.


We're not outsourcing many of our jobs to Mexico.  China is the issue, and that really opened up under Bush.
 
2013-08-21 11:39:28 PM

Lawnchair: Once cheap Texas crude starting dwindling around 1970, we, for the first time, had to trade. Globalization starts from that point.


You have to remember that the key lie of the run up to the free trade agreements was that they would create more markets for us, so there would be many more manufacturing jobs inside America, not less.

Instead, the obscenely wealthy have used those agreements to move manufacturing to wherever they can pay the lowest wage and ignore environmental regulations.

Heck, now they want to move the plants out of China because wages there have gotten too high and the pollution has reached such internationally embarrassing levels that those on top have been forced to at least look like they have started doing something about it..
 
2013-08-21 11:39:53 PM

BullBearMS: djkutch: Could you eviscerate the Bush Administration for the Patriot Act? XXXOOO

It's been done.

[dl.dropboxusercontent.com image 260x390]


Now that we've determined both sides are bad, who should we vote for, my friend?
 
2013-08-21 11:40:43 PM

TuteTibiImperes: The 90s were good times.  I guess the old racists don't care for them because they marked when hip-hop/rap culture really became mainstream, but there was plenty of good stuff going on.  History will remember Bill Clinton has one of our best Presidents ever.


So it's racist to hate discordant, brain-hating, misogynist music? That's news to me.

(For the record, I love disco and funk. Okay, it wasn't the best music in the world but at least it was well-produced and required actual talent to sing...)
 
2013-08-21 11:45:55 PM

yourmomlovestetris: TuteTibiImperes: The 90s were good times.  I guess the old racists don't care for them because they marked when hip-hop/rap culture really became mainstream, but there was plenty of good stuff going on.  History will remember Bill Clinton has one of our best Presidents ever.

So it's racist to hate discordant, brain-hating, misogynist music? That's news to me.

(For the record, I love disco and funk. Okay, it wasn't the best music in the world but at least it was well-produced and required actual talent to sing...)


I may have phrased it badly, it's not racist to dislike rap music, it's not even racist to dislike the rap/hip-hop culture that came with it, it is racist to resent the idea that black people were finally becoming cultural icons.
 
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2013-08-21 11:48:30 PM

TuteTibiImperes: BullBearMS: TuteTibiImperes: NAFTA isn't the demon of job outsourcing.

Sure. Everyone can make a living wage working at Starbucks or McDonalds!

You're farking delusional.

Clinton set the destruction of America's middle class into motion and it only picked up steam from there on.
.

We're not outsourcing many of our jobs to Mexico.  China is the issue, and that really opened up under Bush.


GATT???

Clinton signed it!!!
 
2013-08-21 11:49:53 PM

Flacman: [www.isteroids.com image 326x400]


I just discovered I have a card of his that is fetching $75 on ebay. Even if I get half that I'd be pleased.
 
2013-08-21 11:52:44 PM

TuteTibiImperes: BullBearMS: TuteTibiImperes: NAFTA isn't the demon of job outsourcing.

Sure. Everyone can make a living wage working at Starbucks or McDonalds!

You're farking delusional.

Clinton set the destruction of America's middle class into motion and it only picked up steam from there on.
.

We're not outsourcing many of our jobs to Mexico.  China is the issue, and that really opened up under Bush.


don't forget NAFTA also dumped an obscene amount of cheap american corn into a country of very small farmers who couldn't compete

que malo
 
2013-08-21 11:52:53 PM
 
2013-08-21 11:55:06 PM

djkutch: Now that we've determined both sides are bad, who should we vote for, my friend?


I'm for either Warren/Wyden or Wyden/Warren.
 
2013-08-21 11:58:27 PM

yourmomlovestetris: I love disco and funk.


Funk was incredibly inventive and fun. Then again, I still love old school Motown.
 
2013-08-21 11:59:27 PM

BullBearMS: yourmomlovestetris: I love disco and funk.

Funk was incredibly inventive and fun. Then again, I still love old school Motown.


who don't love the funk?

yeah....I like disco

yes, I'm straight. why?
 
2013-08-22 12:04:27 AM

PillsHere: scottydoesntknow: TuteTibiImperes: Mugato: The 90s were awesome. I made a shiatload of money as a teenage doing fark all in programming. Gothic girls were plentiful, rock wasn't dead yet. The biggest problem we had as a nation was the President getting a blowjob.

scottydoesntknow: Worst thing about the '90s: The fashions

I don't even remember the 90s having fashions, besides the aforementioned gothic trend. Other than that, the 90s were pretty nondescript fashion-wise.

Grunge, acid washed jeans, day-glo, odd geometric patterns, gaudy jewelry, etc.

Don't forget shoulder pads.

Not sure if you guys are being serious or not, but none of the stuff in bold was 90's fashion.  Sure maybe in the early 90's there were still people wearing it, but that was carry over from the 80's which has got to be the ugliest decade for hair and fashion.

The 90's was mostly grunge (flannel shirts, ripped jeans, band t-shirts), hip hop (baggy pants, over-sized sports jerseys, large puffy coats), raver gear (phat pants, tight t-shirts/baby t's, over-sized sweaters), punk/ska (plaid pants, pleather, ripped stuff, safety pins, chains - I know some of it was carryover from the late 70's), goth gear (we all know what this looks like), bell-bottoms came back into style thankfully after the 80's were all about tight/tapered jeans, admittedly the very early 90's had tacky hammer pants but that was more of a carry over from the 80's.  These are the "iconic" fashion from the 90's.  This is not to argue that the fashion was good, but it was better than the 80's.  Also most of it was fairly normal/non-descript outside of what was listed.


Actually the goth thing started in the 80s, too. I remember going to a gay club called The City here in Portland many times in the late 80s that had a goth section called The Hollyrock Room. I wasn't a goth or gay but they had the best drugs.
 
2013-08-22 12:05:07 AM
At a personal level I would pick the 80's. Overall, excluding things that happened in my life that really, really sucked I would pick the 90's.
 
2013-08-22 12:10:01 AM

fusillade762: Actually the goth thing started in the 80s, too


I would say the 70's. The Rocky Horror Picture Show had a bit of Goth type costuming and makeup going on in it. When people started doing the whole go to the movie dressed as a character thing is when I think that it started as a recognized "Style". It wasn't called "Goth" back then though, that was a 90's thing.
 
2013-08-22 12:10:51 AM

Omahawg: don't forget NAFTA also dumped an obscene amount of cheap american corn into a country of very small farmers who couldn't compete


I would have to say that the changeover from family farming to huge corporate farming conglomerates has been bad for us as a nation, and for them.

Wouldn't it be nice to cut off all farming subsidies that could fall under the banner of corporate welfare?
 
2013-08-22 12:22:06 AM

yourmomlovestetris: So it's racist to hate discordant, brain-hating, misogynist music?


You know it makes me unhappy (what's that)
When brothas make babies, and leave a young mother to be a pappy
And since we all came from a woman
Got our name from a woman and our game from a woman
I wonder why we take from our women
Why we rape our women, do we hate our women?
I think it's time to kill for our women
Time to heal our women, be real to our women
And if we don't we'll have a race of babies
That will hate the ladies, that make the babies
And since a man can't make one
He has no right to tell a woman when and where to create one
So will the real men get up
I know you're fed up ladies, but keep your head up
/The 90s was hip hop's golden age, a song like that would never been played on an "urban" radio station now.
 
2013-08-22 12:24:06 AM

Radioactive Ass: fusillade762: Actually the goth thing started in the 80s, too

I would say the 70's. The Rocky Horror Picture Show had a bit of Goth type costuming and makeup going on in it. When people started doing the whole go to the movie dressed as a character thing is when I think that it started as a recognized "Style". It wasn't called "Goth" back then though, that was a 90's thing.


I know it's gauche to quote Wikipedia here, but I'm doing it anyway

The Goth subculture is a contemporary subculture found in many countries. It began in England during the early 1980s in the Gothic rock scene, an offshoot of the post-punk genre.

And I distinctly recall them calling themselves "goth" back in the late 80s. Hell, one dealer I knew went by the name "Lestat".
 
2013-08-22 12:24:18 AM

lewismarktwo: Hey, guess what?  If you're actually a multimillionaire you can retire right now today.


with 500k you could retire on the beach in Costa Rica.
 
2013-08-22 12:33:33 AM
images.wikia.com
 
2013-08-22 12:33:52 AM

Devo: Grunge Music
Ska
Electronic Raves
Even Big Band music had a go at in the 90s.
vs
Hair Bands.


Everything you listed happened in the eighties. Except for your login, "Devo" (that was the seventies.)
 
2013-08-22 12:37:47 AM

fusillade762: I know it's gauche to quote Wikipedia here, but I'm doing it anyway

The Goth subculture is a contemporary subculture found in many countries. It began in England during the early 1980s in the Gothic rock scene, an offshoot of the post-punk genre.

And I distinctly recall them calling themselves "goth" back in the late 80s. Hell, one dealer I knew went by the name "Lestat".


I was talking more about the style than the sub-culture. The first time I saw a "Goth" I thought Rocky Horror because of the similarities. That's all that I meant by what I said.
 
2013-08-22 12:58:08 AM
The only thing that sucked about the 90s were the comic books.  Terrible art and writing (the writing is still terrible, but the art has now gotten better).

Computers were slow and so unreliable you had to be a bit of a computer whiz just to keep them working properly.  I kinda liked that because it motivated me to learn.
 
2013-08-22 12:59:22 AM

thisisyourbrainonFark: [images.wikia.com image 500x457]


Oh yeah?

www.wackypackages.org
 
2013-08-22 01:00:53 AM

TheDumbBlonde: No generation ever before the 90s embraced black music. Ever. Dumbass.


Jazz, Blues and 50's and 60's style Rock and Roll. Hard rock, not so much outside of Hendrix (who was a huge influence on all types of rock guitarists from then on) but Disco definitely sprung from a blending of Motown and Rock and led to the 80's genre of dance music from Madonna to Nu Shuz. Rap is crap and really shouldn't be called music so much as maybe rhyming with a beat (which is the only thing that it shares with popular music, talking is not singing) but Hip Hop has its roots in 80's dance and rock styles if for no other reason than that's where most of the samples came from.

You clearly have no clue at all as to how music has evolved over the last 100 or so years. "Black" music didn't simply go from hymns sung in the cotton fields to rap in one day. It was a long process that probably has had more influence than any other one in popular music history.
 
2013-08-22 01:03:38 AM
Take the '90s and shove them up your balls.
 
2013-08-22 01:10:38 AM

vygramul: AliceBToklasLives: vygramul: '80s, you say?

[userserve-ak.last.fm image 500x500]

1968 - Saucerful of Secrets

1973 - Dark Side of the Moon
1977 - Animals
1979 - The Wall

1987 - A Momentary Lapse of Reason

/what was that about the 80s?

Whoops - that was the movie that hit the '80s. Then again, The Final Cut was in the '80s.

But then there was:

The Clash: London Calling
U2: The Joshua Tree
The Police: Synchronicity
AC/DC: Back in Black



userserve-ak.last.fm

/first album I ever owned. Remember just sitting in my room, playing it over and over, just mesmerized.
 
2013-08-22 01:12:01 AM

Radioactive Ass: Hip Hop has its roots in 80's dance and rock styles if for no other reason than that's where most of the samples came from.


Rock is probably the smallest influence on rap (outside of country), which is why rock rap never really worked (though Run DMC and the Beastie Boys figured it out). I also don't get how it can have roots in 80s dance, when it was invented in the late 70s. Hip hop comes from funk, disco, electronic music, R&B, dub, reggae, blues, jazz, and soul.

/not surprised someone that hates rap doesn't know anything about it.
 
2013-08-22 01:13:04 AM

TheDumbBlonde: Old douchebags have been making black musicians rich for a century.


I take back what I said.
 
2013-08-22 01:16:19 AM

fusillade762: Triumph: Who are the maniacs that want to go back to the 40s?

I'm more concerned by the people who want to go back to the 1900s.


I would love to.

Take my great great grandfather to the patent office with a handful of sketches, return to home-time to the capital city of SkroobLandia.
 
2013-08-22 01:17:51 AM

LemSkroob: Take my great great grandfather to the patent office with a handful of sketches, return to home-time to the capital city of SkroobLandia.


Plastics.
 
2013-08-22 01:40:41 AM
90's too recent.
 
2013-08-22 01:42:22 AM

Yankees Team Gynecologist: The 00s and 10s may be farked too--I would say the quality is starting to get somewhere, but it's still kind of stuck in a plasticky tech stage that exhibits elegance the 90s lacked, but still needs to mature some more. The late 10s and early 20s might be huge.


I'll say one thing about Gen X: we took the old fashioned notion of cultural imperialism and turned it on America.  The last 20 years have seen a relentless assault on creativity in the name of nostalgia.  It's as if we saw the explosion of creativity in the 80's and said, "Well, that's that, I guess we'll just remake all of this and shove it down our kids' throats".
 
2013-08-22 01:51:57 AM

TheJoe03: Rock is probably the smallest influence on rap (outside of country), which is why rock rap never really worked (though Run DMC and the Beastie Boys figured it out). I also don't get how it can have roots in 80s dance, when it was invented in the late 70s. Hip hop comes from funk, disco, electronic music, R&B, dub, reggae, blues, jazz, and soul.

/not surprised someone that hates rap doesn't know anything about it.


Popular rap. MTV rap. Whatever. The very first rap that hit mainstream that I know of was Blondie's Rapture (yes the late 70's and I was wrong to put it later) but it never really popped up again as a major style until at least the mid to late 80's outside of the greater New York City area and it sampled the popular music of the time by and large for its beat.. My tastes have evolved over the years but I've never considered rap to be music. A form of art? Sure. Music? No. The musical portion of it is usually copied or a close derivative of actual music created by actual musicians.

My dislike of rap isn't hate, it's because it has no musical qualities to it other than (THUMP, THUMP, THUMP) while someone talks in a rhyme that matches the beat. I'm also not a fan of 70's style hard punk for similar reasons. Shouting into a mike while beating your hands bloody banging at a guitar is not music, it's noise.
 
2013-08-22 01:59:00 AM

Radioactive Ass: TheJoe03: Rock is probably the smallest influence on rap (outside of country), which is why rock rap never really worked (though Run DMC and the Beastie Boys figured it out). I also don't get how it can have roots in 80s dance, when it was invented in the late 70s. Hip hop comes from funk, disco, electronic music, R&B, dub, reggae, blues, jazz, and soul.

/not surprised someone that hates rap doesn't know anything about it.

Popular rap. MTV rap. Whatever. The very first rap that hit mainstream that I know of was Blondie's Rapture (yes the late 70's and I was wrong to put it later) but it never really popped up again as a major style until at least the mid to late 80's outside of the greater New York City area and it sampled the popular music of the time by and large for its beat.. My tastes have evolved over the years but I've never considered rap to be music. A form of art? Sure. Music? No. The musical portion of it is usually copied or a close derivative of actual music created by actual musicians.

My dislike of rap isn't hate, it's because it has no musical qualities to it other than (THUMP, THUMP, THUMP) while someone talks in a rhyme that matches the beat. I'm also not a fan of 70's style hard punk for similar reasons. Shouting into a mike while beating your hands bloody banging at a guitar is not music, it's noise.


There's some rap that's pretty musical.

Try Jurassic 5, Dilated Peoples, or Deltron 3030 for a start.
 
2013-08-22 02:06:49 AM

Radioactive Ass: A form of art? Sure. Music? No.


I'll never get what that even means. So no electronic music is music either since they don't tend to use "real instruments"? Also, when did singing become the definition of music? Most rappers don't even scream, it's spoken word with a rhythmic cadence (hip hop people call it flow).

/The whole it ain't music, it's noise is such a hacky argument. That's what people said about rock n roll, and it was equally ignorant then. Rap is music, so is punk, so is metal, etc etc. Music shouldn't be put in such a box, or we'd still be stuck with crooners.
 
2013-08-22 02:08:01 AM

TuteTibiImperes: There's some rap that's pretty musical.


There are always exceptions to the rule. I only watched the first one but there was something that could be called singing in the chorus. That's not the type of rap that I was talking about.
 
2013-08-22 02:08:58 AM

TuteTibiImperes: The 90s were good times.  I guess the old racists don't care for them because they marked when hip-hop/rap culture really became mainstream, but there was plenty of good stuff going on.  History will remember Bill Clinton has one of our best Presidents ever.


Ha, he'll be remembered as one of the best politicians ever. I wouldn't say that's an amazing thing to be remembered for.

But I guess we'll get that same crap we still get with Kennedy. 3 years in office, didn't get much done, other than almost starting WW3, and then somehow avoiding it.
 
2013-08-22 02:14:12 AM

Radioactive Ass: That's not the type of rap that I was talking about.


That's the type of rap I listen to, you're basing your opinions on the worst in the genre I guess. In the hip hop community, a group like Jurassic 5 would be considered "real hip hop". I don't judge rock based on Nickelback or Poison. If you want to say pop rap is garbage, you'd get no complaints from me.
 
2013-08-22 02:15:24 AM

TheJoe03: I'll never get what that even means. So no electronic music is music either since they don't tend to use "real instruments"? Also, when did singing become the definition of music? Most rappers don't even scream, it's spoken word with a rhythmic cadence (hip hop people call it flow).

/The whole it ain't music, it's noise is such a hacky argument. That's what people said about rock n roll, and it was equally ignorant then. Rap is music, so is punk, so is metal, etc etc. Music shouldn't be put in such a box, or we'd still be stuck with crooners.


A form of art meaning that there is some skill involved. Instruments can be anything (see stomp). If it's vocal than singing is kind of a requirement, otherwise it's called talking and what you're describing is also called a poem or a limerick.

/I think that noise is the lack of, as you put it above, flow. A poem is not noise and I didn't call rap noise. I said that I don't consider it (rapping) music.
 
2013-08-22 02:18:56 AM

Radioactive Ass: I said that I don't consider it (rapping) music.


Still don't get why, but you're free to have your opinions.
 
2013-08-22 02:19:01 AM

TheJoe03: Radioactive Ass: That's not the type of rap that I was talking about.

That's the type of rap I listen to, you're basing your opinions on the worst in the genre I guess. In the hip hop community, a group like Jurassic 5 would be considered "real hip hop". I don't judge rock based on Nickelback or Poison. If you want to say pop rap is garbage, you'd get no complaints from me.


You might like this: 360 Degrees.  It's a collaboration between an English electronica band called The Propellerheads (they were featured in a ton of movie soundtracks in the late '90s/early '00s) and De La Soul.  As far as I can tell it never quite broke into the mainstream, but it's a neat track.
 
2013-08-22 02:20:23 AM
Stopped reading right here: One participant in that war had an active policy of targeting enemy civilian population centers for wholesale destruction as a battlefield tactic

If you think the bombing in WWII was that one-sided, you have your head stuck so far up your ass you have shiat-stains on your armpits.
 
2013-08-22 02:24:01 AM

TheJoe03: If you want to say pop rap is garbage, you'd get no complaints from me.


Considering that's what I usually hear being called rap that's what I consider rap. It's garbage as far as music goes. Hip Hop is a different story. Just like any other genre there are some groups that I can listen to while others don't appeal to me at all but I can call both types of hip hop groups at least some form of music.
 
2013-08-22 02:29:10 AM

TheJoe03: Still don't get why, but you're free to have your opinions.


Well... you know what they say about opinions. Everyone's got one. That and an asshole. At least I know why I hold the opinion and it's not visceral but based upon what I consider music and can explain why that is so.
 
2013-08-22 02:30:20 AM

TuteTibiImperes: You might like this: 360 Degrees.


I do indeed, did they do any other tracks together?

Oh and since you posted a cool rap/electronic collabo, here's one with Massive Attack and Mos Def. Just for shiats and giggles here's one with Black Keys and Mos Def.
 
2013-08-22 02:31:45 AM

Radioactive Ass: At least I know why I hold the opinion and it's not visceral but based upon what I consider music and can explain why that is so.


Fair enough.
 
2013-08-22 02:33:41 AM

Omahawg: the 80s were better in retrospect than the day to day reality 'cause where the hell are you gonna hear the Minutemen in a small town in Iowa?


The Tragically Hip in my case, but I feel you. But I think what happened with the marketing was it took a few years for a few of our own to sell out and teach the old money how to detach us from our's, just as occurred with the Boomers. The marketing of "rave culture" or "grunge" are good examples. For a couple years there all you had to do was come from Seattle and you had a record contract and were on tour opening for Pearl Jam or Soundgarden...
 
2013-08-22 02:35:57 AM

TheJoe03: Fair enough.


Fair is all that one can ask for.
 
2013-08-22 02:43:23 AM

Harry_Seldon: thisisyourbrainonFark: [images.wikia.com image 500x457]

Oh yeah?

[www.wackypackages.org image 227x300]


Yeah.

www.3djoes.com
 
2013-08-22 02:48:50 AM
Worst. Decade. Ever.

I usually say that the best things to come out of the 80s are Die Hard, and John Cusack's career. My wife (born in '82) does not find that particularly amusing.
 
2013-08-22 02:52:24 AM

bifford: The only thing that sucked about the 90s were the comic books.  Terrible art and writing (the writing is still terrible, but the art has now gotten better).


The superhero stuff may have been a mess (multiple cover variants, holograms and other gimmicks, killing Superman, Bane vs Batman and the aftermath, etc) but the 90s gave us a LOT of Vertigo goodness:

upload.wikimedia.org

upload.wikimedia.org

(yes, I know both of those started in the late 80s, but the bulk of their runs were in the 90s)

upload.wikimedia.org

1997-2002

dietrichthrall.files.wordpress.com

1995

i43.tinypic.com
1991

www.dccomics.com

1990

upload.wikimedia.org
1991 to 1997
 
2013-08-22 02:55:43 AM

TheJoe03: TuteTibiImperes: You might like this: 360 Degrees.

I do indeed, did they do any other tracks together?

Oh and since you posted a cool rap/electronic collabo, here's one with Massive Attack and Mos Def. Just for shiats and giggles here's one with Black Keys and Mos Def.


That's the only one I know of.  The Propellerheads only had one studio album, but it has a number of other cool tracks and is worth checking out.

Thanks for the recommendations, I really like the one with he Black Keys.
 
2013-08-22 03:20:02 AM
Choosing one decade over another is always a futile, tragic gesture. Face it, you people ruin everything you touch.
 
2013-08-22 03:27:11 AM

BullBearMS: TuteTibiImperes: All in all Clinton's scorecard is pretty dang good.

Ummmm... No.

The destruction of the middle class was all set up under Clinton.

The financial crisis had it's roots in a couple of major blunders under Clinton.

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Repealing Glass Steagall which allowed for the creation of "too big to jail" banks, and the Clinton administration forcing the head of the Commodities Futures Trading Commission to back down on her attempt to regulate derivatives.

In The Warning, veteran FRONTLINE producer Michael Kirk unearths the hidden history of the nation's worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. At the center of it all he finds Brooksley Born, who speaks for the first time on television about her failed campaign to regulate the secretive, multitrillion-dollar derivatives market whose crash helped trigger the financial collapse in the fall of 2008.

Then, there was Clinton's role in passing the first of the free trade agreements that allowed the filthy rich to move the manufactuing jobs outside the United States without any sort of financial penalty when they brought the finished goods back inside the country.

It's no accident that Detroit has gone from the fourth largest city in the United States and one of the largest manufacturing centers in the world, to a burnt out, abandoned husk.

Clinton while signing the NAFTA bill stated: "...NAFTA means jobs. American jobs, and good-paying American jobs. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't support this agreement."

That was a lie that would come to play an enormous role in the destruction of the middle class.


The fact that these two root causes of the financial collapse are not attributed to Clinton ever is disturbing.  These are the main enablers of the evisceration of the middle class and the subsequent housing collapse.
 
2013-08-22 03:28:20 AM

meat0918: I loved the 90's.

The 80's sucked.  My dad was laid off for most of the decade, we were dirt poor.  The 90's saw all that turn around.

It's purely anecdotal, but I've found that people that loved the 80's also love Saint Ronald Reagan.


Well, at least saint ronnie is burning in hell with his wife.
No really. Between the two of them, they set america back 20-30 years and we still havent recovered.
Deficits Dont Matter and Just Say No.

FARK THEM BOTH for all eternity.
 
2013-08-22 03:32:42 AM

NFA: 1980's -  Worked my ass off every single day of the week, used and abused by employers who thought I was a slave and not an employee, literally couldn't afford to eat every day and rarely ate three meals a day
1990's -  BIG up swing in prosperity.  Got married, bought a house.  Nice balance between work and life
2000's -  Marriage going great, life was good, became a millionaire. Inherited a kid. Worked too damn much.
2010's -  Marriage still going good, became a multimillionaire.  Work my ass off every single day dealing with the problems of others.  Don't eat every meal, sometimes skip days eating because of too much work and health problems.  Dream of retiring every single day.


retire tomorrow
TADA
you are more than rich enough
are you waiting for your second heart attack??

/college for the kids? LOANS!
 
2013-08-22 03:32:49 AM

namatad: Well, at least saint ronnie is burning in hell with his wife.


Nancy Reagan is still alive.
 
2013-08-22 03:33:38 AM

Shadowtag: Choosing one decade over another is always a futile, tragic gesture. Face it, you people ruin everything you touch.


Agreed. There should be no debate about what decade was the "best," as long as we all understand that the 1970s were a heinous abortion of all aesthetic sensibility, in everything from fashion to food to music to literature.

/well...ABBA was pretty awesome. But, everything else unambiguously sucked.
 
2013-08-22 03:34:09 AM
"It's just an inescapable truth that people feel nostalgic for their youth and think that whatever particular era they happened to grow up in was the best time to be had in all of history.  My mom was always keen for the fifties, which she remembers as a time of decency and stability, a land of Ozzie & Harriet wholesomeness.  My uncle, a few years younger, will never stop reminiscing about the sixties and the freewheeling hippie lifestyle he briefly embraced -- it was all about weed and the Beatles, I would judge from his rambling stories.  A certain coworker of mine pines for the decadent seventies in New York City, and makes veiled references to hedonistic times he enjoyed in the Disco Era.  And we all know some people who yearn for the electric-blue eighties or the grungy nineties...

...misguided sentimentality, I tell you.  Everyone only remembers the good parts of their vanished salad days, clinging to pop culture artifacts and hazy impressions of national unity or youthful abandon.  But I suppose I am no different, because just like them, I'm convinced that my youth occurred in the greatest time in human history -- the Millennial Era.  Oh, what a decade.  It was initially defined by the earthshattering events of September 11th, which we watched as wide-eyed children.  I can still remember the thrill of that day, the incredible spectacle of destruction, and the air of excitement as we hoped for more attacks to disrupt the monotony of life, wig out the adults -- and maybe get us out of school for another week.  No puny Woodstock concert or piddling Watergate scandal can ever match the importance and the sheer awesomeness of 9-11, that is indisputable...

...and that was just the opening trumpet blast of a decade that charged out of the gates like a juggernaut.  Another significant terrorist attack never materialized, but Hurrican Katrina was almost as compelling -- remember the Superdome footage and all those drowning black people?  Glorious.  In the Millennial Age, we were still blessed with a cool tough guy as our President, a man who made you feel good about America as we were blowing up terrorists and taking over countries like a farking boss.  The economy was pumping full throttle and the roads were dominated by giant Hummers and Escalades, where the heck have those all gone?  Music?  Rock and roll evolved past its questionable beginnings and reached a zenith of pure kick-assedness in the form of Korn and Limp Bizkit; classic anthems such as "Freak on a Leash" and "Nookie" were the soundtrack to a nation proudly moshing into the unlimited future.  So many other great things to mention, I could go one forever.  Pokemon.  The Matrix sequels.  The Star Wars prequels!  Survivor and American Idol.  Britney and Backstreet, Xtina and N*sync.  50 Cent.  Ritalin and Adderall.  The Saw movies.  MySpace.  iPods.  The Nintendo Wii.  And it all led up to the coolest pop culture event in history -- the release of James Cameron's Avatar, unquestionably the greatest film ever made.  We all saw it, we all loved it, it redefined the possibilities of cinema for all time.  What a great closing note to an unstoppable decade.

Yes, I dare any of you fogies to make a case for your crappy youths.  I'm sorry, but you were mere precursors to the Millennial Age, a triumphant time that can never be matched.  And to the kids coming up now in this new decade -- sorry, f**gots, but the real party is over and you're just gonna have to fight over our scraps."
 
2013-08-22 03:47:23 AM
The Wall had fallen and no-one had flown planes into buildings yet. So yes, it was the best decade in my lifetime.
 
2013-08-22 03:59:19 AM

TuteTibiImperes: The 90s were good times.  I guess the old racists don't care for them because they marked when hip-hop/rap culture really became mainstream, but there was plenty of good stuff going on.  History will remember Bill Clinton has one of our best Presidents ever.


Actually.... seems everyone forgets a few rappers from the 80's when it REALLY went mainstream.
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The crap from the 90's is commonly referred to as "Gangsta' Rap," or crap depending on who you talk to. As far as the "good stuff," best thing was when TECHNO became mainstream. Most of the other junk sucked. Clinton as far I was concerned was an "ok" president, though far outshines any we had in awhile (he was agreeable).
 
2013-08-22 04:22:49 AM
I think I liked the 80's a little bit more than the 90's. In the 80's I was just a kid, no job no responsibility other than getting good grades. One summer in the 80's I went barefoot 90% of the time, climbed trees, yup those were the days.
 
2013-08-22 04:37:24 AM

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I turned 19 in 1970.  Those of us who lived it know the best decade.


I turned 6 in 1970...16 in 1980.  The 1970s KICK-ASS!!  Was sad to see them go.
The 80s were meh
90s a little better than the 80s
2000 +  Mondo Suckage
 
2013-08-22 04:44:06 AM
The author of that article is an idiot who doesn't know how to read a graph.

People_are_Idiots: As far as the "good stuff," best thing was when TECHNO became mainstream.


Techno is the worst thing to happen to music ever.
 
2013-08-22 04:50:05 AM
Overall the 80s music sucked. Some shining lights, but on average...crap.
80s movies sucked...can you name a good 80s movie besides Raging Bull? And don't list your favorite coming of age movie...you know why? Because it sucked.

The 70's movie are still rated top of all time...Godfather, Star Wars, The Sting, Deer Hunter, One Flew Over he Cuckoos Nest....
90s saw the emergence of Tarantino.
80s sucked...John Hughes movies...Rambo movies...slasher movies
 
2013-08-22 05:03:00 AM

The Southern Dandy: 80s movies sucked...can you name a good 80s movie besides Raging Bull?


I hate 80s movies but for some reason I find Big Trouble in Little China to be hilarious.

/it's all in the reflexes
//I'd also add Platoon, Indiana Jones movies, Ghostbusters, Coming to America, and Caddyshack
 
2013-08-22 06:20:45 AM
Late half of 1800s early par of 1900s were pretty cool IMHO with al the discoveries and interventions. Being around for the Wright Brothers first flight. Could you imagine trying to invent an airplane or light bulb in your home workshop under todays conditions? Large part of the world still unmapped open to exploration. Not needing a form of Identification every where you go. Downsides would be no penicillin, lack of indoor plumbing etc. But it is all trade offs.
 
2013-08-22 06:43:18 AM

The Southern Dandy: Overall the 80s music sucked. Some shining lights, but on average...crap.
80s movies sucked...can you name a good 80s movie besides Raging Bull? And don't list your favorite coming of age movie...you know why? Because it sucked.

The 70's movie are still rated top of all time...Godfather, Star Wars, The Sting, Deer Hunter, One Flew Over he Cuckoos Nest....
90s saw the emergence of Tarantino.
80s sucked...John Hughes movies...Rambo movies...slasher movies


Empire, Raiders, RotJ, Last Crusade thats 4 good 80s films
 
2013-08-22 06:48:28 AM
If I think about it, I had plenty of good times In the 90s.  But for me anyway, the 90's are when  America became kind of became 'meh' as far as a decade having it's own identity.
The 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s all have their own very, very recognizable 'looks' and music.  From the 90s on, the decades just kind of blend together....
 
2013-08-22 06:54:03 AM
Superman II
 
2013-08-22 06:59:16 AM
 Inexplicably the 1990s-objectively speaking the best decade-not only underperformed the overrated 1950s and 1960s

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2013-08-22 07:42:58 AM

BullBearMS: TuteTibiImperes: All in all Clinton's scorecard is pretty dang good.

Ummmm... No.

The destruction of the middle class was all set up under Clinton.

The financial crisis had it's roots in a couple of major blunders under Clinton.

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Repealing Glass Steagall which allowed for the creation of "too big to jail" banks, and the Clinton administration forcing the head of the Commodities Futures Trading Commission to back down on her attempt to regulate derivatives.

In The Warning, veteran FRONTLINE producer Michael Kirk unearths the hidden history of the nation's worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. At the center of it all he finds Brooksley Born, who speaks for the first time on television about her failed campaign to regulate the secretive, multitrillion-dollar derivatives market whose crash helped trigger the financial collapse in the fall of 2008.

Then, there was Clinton's role in passing the first of the free trade agreements that allowed the filthy rich to move the manufactuing jobs outside the United States without any sort of financial penalty when they brought the finished goods back inside the country.

It's no accident that Detroit has gone from the fourth largest city in the United States and one of the largest manufacturing centers in the world, to a burnt out, abandoned husk.

Clinton while signing the NAFTA bill stated: "...NAFTA means jobs. American jobs, and good-paying American jobs. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't support this agreement."

That was a lie that would come to play an enormous role in the destruction of the middle class.


When you say clinton in all of the above, don't you really mean the republican congress of the 90s?
 
2013-08-22 07:43:35 AM

People_are_Idiots: The crap from the 90's is commonly referred to as "Gangsta' Rap," or crap depending on who you talk to.


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Know how I can tell you didn't really listen to rap in the 90s?
 
fdr
2013-08-22 07:47:27 AM

OnlyM3: TuteTibiImperes [TotalFark]
2013-08-21 07:16:30 PM


The 90s were good times. I guess the old racists don't care for them because they marked when hip-hop/rap culture really became mainstream, but there was plenty of good stuff going on. History will remember Bill Clinton has one of our best Presidents ever.
* Don't ask don't tell
* Defense of Marriage Act
* Juanita Broaddrick
* White House FBI files controversy (found on clinton's desk)
* Attack of Yugoslavia (I know it's only wrong when bush attacks a nation w/o provocation)
* Waco (Hey it's ok to murder people whose religion you disagree with)
* Elián González
* Whitewater
* Commercegate
* Chinagate
* Bombing of Iraq (I know it's only wrong when bush does it)
* Cruise missile strikes on Afghanistan
* Cruise missile strikes on Sudan
* Al-Shifa pharmaceutical factory bombing
* Refusal to accept osama bin ladin as a prisoner.


yeah... hell of a decade
* Gennifer Flowers



When you included Elián González in your list of atrocities, you and your silly list lost any credibility. On real issues, Clinton cut the unemployment in half, tripled our 401K's, and kept us out of wars. It's a stretch to equate the Elián González matter involving 1 kid and family with balancing the Federal budget 4 years in a row. The items on your list, even taken as a whole, do no damage to a very successful President.
 
2013-08-22 07:57:36 AM

fusillade762: Actually the goth thing started in the 80s, too. I remember going to a gay club called The City here in Portland many times in the late 80s that had a goth section called The Hollyrock Room. I wasn't a goth or gay but they had the best drugs.


Well I think we were talking about the awesome kind of goths, the girls in their early twenties, not whatever horrific thing you were talking about.
 
fdr
2013-08-22 08:11:21 AM

djkutch: OnlyM3: TuteTibiImperes [TotalFark]
2013-08-21 07:16:30 PM


The 90s were good times. I guess the old racists don't care for them because they marked when hip-hop/rap culture really became mainstream, but there was plenty of good stuff going on. History will remember Bill Clinton has one of our best Presidents ever.
* Don't ask don't tell
* Defense of Marriage Act
* Juanita Broaddrick
* White House FBI files controversy (found on clinton's desk)
* Attack of Yugoslavia (I know it's only wrong when bush attacks a nation w/o provocation)
* Waco (Hey it's ok to murder people whose religion you disagree with)
* Elián González
* Whitewater
* Commercegate
* Chinagate
* Bombing of Iraq (I know it's only wrong when bush does it)
* Cruise missile strikes on Afghanistan
* Cruise missile strikes on Sudan
* Al-Shifa pharmaceutical factory bombing
* Refusal to accept osama bin ladin as a prisoner.


yeah... hell of a decade
* Gennifer Flowers

You forgot Lewinsky and McDonalds. So, so close to perfection. It's omissions like this that keep the true artist up night.


Nothing like Republicans making blowjobs more important than Clinton cutting the unemployment to 3.9%.
 
2013-08-22 08:36:18 AM

AngryDragon: The fact that these two root causes of the financial collapse are not attributed to Clinton ever is disturbing.


Let's think about why that might be.

Do you know what the law was named that repealed the glass steagal act?

It was called the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act.  Do you know who Gramm, Leach and Bliley were?  Well, they were the ones that wrote the bill, and they were all republicans.
 
2013-08-22 08:43:07 AM

manimal2878: AngryDragon: The fact that these two root causes of the financial collapse are not attributed to Clinton ever is disturbing.

Let's think about why that might be.

Do you know what the law was named that repealed the glass steagal act?

It was called the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act.  Do you know who Gramm, Leach and Bliley were?  Well, they were the ones that wrote the bill, and they were all republicans.


Yep. Most of the bad from Clinton's tenure (welfare "reform," de-regulating everything under the sun, government shutdown, NAFTA, Don't Ask Don't Tell) came as a result of negotiating with terrorists. And, look at how they thanked him: a revenge impeachment because they were still mad about Nixon and "it was Bob Dole's turn." You'd think the next Democratic president would have learned something from that.
 
2013-08-22 08:54:40 AM

EyeballKid: manimal2878: AngryDragon: The fact that these two root causes of the financial collapse are not attributed to Clinton ever is disturbing.

Let's think about why that might be.

Do you know what the law was named that repealed the glass steagal act?

It was called the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act.  Do you know who Gramm, Leach and Bliley were?  Well, they were the ones that wrote the bill, and they were all republicans.

Yep. Most of the bad from Clinton's tenure (welfare "reform," de-regulating everything under the sun, government shutdown, NAFTA, Don't Ask Don't Tell) came as a result of negotiating with terrorists. And, look at how they thanked him: a revenge impeachment because they were still mad about Nixon and "it was Bob Dole's turn." You'd think the next Democratic president would have learned something from that.


If Republicans were pen and paper role playing they would meta game the shiat out of everything while playing a chaotic neutral bard/thief so they could pickpocket everyone at the table while making them dance.
 
2013-08-22 09:16:24 AM

Ablejack


Devo: Grunge Music
Ska
Electronic Raves
Even Big Band music had a go at in the 90s.
vs
Hair Bands.

Everything you listed happened in the eighties. Except for your login, "Devo" (that was the seventies.)


No.

The third wave of ska happened in the 90s.
Big band (swing) dancing made a resurgence in the mid 90s.
Raves were very 90s.
The "Seattle sound" put the last nails in the hair-band coffin by around 1993. (This means the spandex-and-makeup bands had at least a couple years of play in the 90s.)
 
2013-08-22 09:18:40 AM
FTA There was a big war. One participant in that war had an active policy of targeting enemy civilian population centers for wholesale destruction as a battlefield tactic.

Huh?  What war is he talking about? They all went after civies with a vengeance. London, Nanking, Dresden, Tokyo, pretty much the entire eastern front(both sides).
 
2013-08-22 09:45:38 AM

Tax Boy: Clinton just screwed a couple chicks.

Reagan screwed EVERYONE


Not really. The 80's and forever afterward were where it was proven that the President really takes credit for the successes or the blame for the stupidity for the previous President. Reagan's "trickle-down" policy, for all it's undisguised bias toward the rich, really gave Clinton a comfortable economy to hand to the Mexicans, via NAFTA. While Clinton was busy treating the White House like his own personal Love Shack, and letting angry women make the more important policy decisions, the Middle East was busy growing the seeds of hatred. Bush was possibly the worst President to be in power on 9/11. His RINO classification has been firmly cemented in place by Obama, who has apparently recognized the leftist reasoning behind Bush's policies and actions, and has chosen to strengthen each and every one. Obama's only change: trade Afghanistan and Iraq for undisguised and covert operations against U.S. citizens. Even this was started by Bush, but Obama recognized its leftist brilliance early on.

I really feel sorry for Clinton, should she follow Obama. She's going to be left with ashes to build her reputation on.
 
2013-08-22 10:36:33 AM
The cars of the 90s were the high-performance Japanese supercar technological marvels... Nissan 300zx, Toyota Supra, Mistubishi 3000GT.
 
2013-08-22 10:38:10 AM
Also Acura NSX.
 
2013-08-22 10:42:33 AM

Radioactive Ass: namatad: Well, at least saint ronnie is burning in hell with his wife.

Nancy Reagan is still alive.


Shhh. He's really foaming at the mouth. It's amusing to watch.
 
2013-08-22 10:44:45 AM

fdr: and kept us out of wars.


the 90s were for made-up internal wars like Ruby Ridge and Waco.
 
2013-08-22 10:58:51 AM
Do people hate the 90s, or do they hate their 40s-50s?
 
2013-08-22 11:00:58 AM

Oldiron_79: I didn't like the 90s overall mainly because cRap took over as the dominant form of music, but if hating cRap isnt a thing for you I guess otherwise the 90s was ok.

Liked the 80s and the first 7 or so years of the oughts was alright.


You do know 90's music was actually famous for the slightly-emo pop songs, not rap, right? Like Staind, Nickelback, Five For Fighting, Foo Fighters...

/Plus, you know, economy that worked, a real job market, things like that.
//Seriously, though, you listened to the wrong radio stations, I didn't start hearing rap until the aughts, and I still love slightly-emo pop songs.
 
2013-08-22 11:04:56 AM
That's because 90s Nick flood bombed the results.

90s Nick in Everything was Better in the 90s
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2013-08-22 11:15:39 AM
Well, the 80's started off pretty bad. I can see why people want to go back to the 20's.

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2013-08-22 11:17:35 AM
Obviously it was the presidents.  The least objectionable member of the Bush family, followed by Bill Clinton.
 
2013-08-22 11:26:24 AM
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2013-08-22 11:48:14 AM

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So we tore down this oil city with rock and roll?
 
2013-08-22 12:20:09 PM

lewismarktwo: It was called the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. Do you know who Gramm, Leach and Bliley were? Well, they were the ones that wrote the bill, and they were all republicans.


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It's sweet that you are so determined to make excuses for a lying ass politician, but Clinton set that in motion.

What the rich learned, is that it's hard to rape America without buying off both parties.

However, if they can get a Democratic President to propose something, no matter how bad it might be for the working class, there will be a huge number of idiots like you who will make excuses for it blunting any criticism from the left wing of American thought.

Of course the Republicans are also going to be in favor of whatever helps their wealthy donor buddies, so America gets screwed and there aren't enough people left to fight for what is right.

Look at what happened when the CEO's decided to abandon America and move the manufacturing jobs to China. They had to get China permanent most favored nation trading status to make that possible. Otherwise, their factory was one Tienanmen Square away from being inaccessible to them.

They tried to get it done through all the Regan years, but could not. However as soon as Clinton started fighting for it, guess what happened?
The power of the new China lobby was evident in Beijing last March
7, when more than 100 representatives of major U.S. firms held
their annual conference under the auspices of the U.S.-China Business
Council. Delivering his first major speech since taking office
just weeks before, U.S. Ambassador James Sasser told them that
the Clinton administration was counting on aggressive pressure
from business to secure renewal of MFN status for China.
"[Sasser]
also suggested that CEOs make personal calls on Congress when
they wish to relay their concerns on major China-related issues,
such as MFN," reported the China Business Review,
the bimonthly magazine of the U.S.-China Business Council. "Nothing,"
he said, "makes an impression on a member of Congress like
a visit or phone call from a CEO from the member's district or
state."

Of course, the Fortune 500 companies that comprise the U.S.-China
Business Council-led by Boeing, Motorola, Caterpillar, AT&T,
and the American International Group (AIG)-hardly needed Sasser's
encouragement. They have been working the halls of Congress intensely
since the 1972 opening to China by President Nixon. Lured by the
prospect of 1.2 billion low-wage workers and eager consumers,
America's corporate elite have done a fine job unofficially representing
the Chinese government in Washington.


Even as Sasser spoke, the lobby's troops were being mobilized
back in Washington. A coalition of America's largest companies,
drawing on their experience in the battle over the North American
Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), had already begun to rally trade
associations, lawyers, and corporate officials for the perennial
battle to assure that China continue to receive the benefits of
MFN. The business lobbyists were worried that, however unlikely,
a coalition of labor, consumer, environmental, and human rights
groups in Washington, joined in odd alliance with the dwindling
remnants of the right-wing Taiwan lobby, might manage to raise
a brouhaha about China and win a House of Representatives vote
later in the year revoking MFN
.

The huge Corporations had been fighting to be able to move everything to China forever, but until they bought off Clinton, they couldn't get it done.

There was a time when Democrats cared about what labor thought more than they cared for bribe money, but that time went away under Clinton. Don't get me wrong, a whole lot of Democrats fought against NAFTA and MFN status for China, but the got their asses kicked and look where organized labor is today.
 
2013-08-22 12:24:12 PM
Born in 81... bday was yesterday, in fact.
 
2013-08-22 12:31:40 PM

Anastacya: Born in 81... bday was yesterday, in fact.


Happy birthday! Loved your pet photos.
 
2013-08-22 12:45:30 PM

TheJoe03: The Southern Dandy: 80s movies sucked...can you name a good 80s movie besides Raging Bull?

I hate 80s movies but for some reason I find Big Trouble in Little China to be hilarious.

/it's all in the reflexes
//I'd also add Platoon, Indiana Jones movies, Ghostbusters, Coming to America, and Caddyshack


Some of the bad movies were better: Battle Beyond the Stars, In the Mouth of Madness, Flash Gordon, Evil Dead, Galaxina, and Motel Hell to name a few
Comedies? Airplane, Spaceballs, History of the World Part I, Caddyshack, Stripes, Ghostbusters, Gremlins...

80's brought to mainstream to the Zuckers, Tim Burton, Ron Howard, Val Kilmer, John Carpenter, John Hughes, and Oliver Stone.

/Raging Bull, IMO, sucked though. Rocky was better.
 
2013-08-22 12:52:36 PM

EyeballKid: People_are_Idiots: The crap from the 90's is commonly referred to as "Gangsta' Rap," or crap depending on who you talk to.

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Know how I can tell you didn't really listen to rap in the 90s?


You're right, cause it sucked. The 80's was when Rap was good, all the way back to the Rap battles in the early 80's (Rap itself does have a longer history). The Millenia has a few catchy raps (mainly, surprisingly, LMFAO) but in general, rap has gone to crap. Only thing really easy to listen to nowadays is surprisingly hard rock and metal, and even then you have to find a diamond in the rough.

/80's had Whitney Houston when she was good, nice looking, and not trying to be an opera singer.
 
2013-08-22 01:19:59 PM

People_are_Idiots: The Millenia has a few catchy raps (mainly, surprisingly, LMFAO)


Oh, shiat! I didn't recognize you as a troll at first, my bad!
 
2013-08-22 01:21:13 PM

People_are_Idiots: The 80's was when Rap was good,


Yeah: "Well I went to the hat store today, and I bought myself a hat, a-ha ha."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Yo_hDgCAjc
 
2013-08-22 01:24:40 PM
Ah, the nineties. Nothing like the shiat storm we're finally pulling out of to look forward to again!
 
2013-08-22 01:41:02 PM
The eighties was awesome!  How could you not love the eighties, especially if you went to High School in that decade.  If you didn't like the 80's, you must have been some sort of social outcast.
 
2013-08-22 01:47:40 PM

Yankees Team Gynecologist: But I do think it is actually lacking in quality style.  What 90s car could you actually imagine being a legitimate collector's item?


There's several.

MKIV Supra
300ZX TT
RX7
3000GT
NSX
Diablo
F40
SVT Lightning
Fox Body Cobra
Skyline
Viper
Syclone/Typhoon
H1
XJ220
Mclaren F1
S2000
DB7
WS6/Firehawk

etc.
 
2013-08-22 01:50:00 PM

TheDumbBlonde: Nick Nostril: TuteTibiImperes: The 90s were good times.  I guess the old racists don't care for them because they marked when hip-hop/rap culture really became mainstream, but there was plenty of good stuff going on.  History will remember Bill Clinton has one of our best Presidents ever.

Because if you don't like hip hop, you are a racist?

No generation ever before the 90s embraced black music. Ever. Dumbass.


I know! No one ever listened to black music before then, which is why record companies like Motown were such huge failu... Oh wait...

But, seriously, hip-hop was seriously cool stuff, and rightful successor to the Motown legacy. However, the gangster rap that followed is utter tripe that should never have seen the light of day.
 
2013-08-22 03:13:20 PM

Loreweaver: However, the gangster rap that followed is utter tripe that should never have seen the light of day.


Really, the question is, what do you consider gangster rap?  Rap can be categorized so many different ways. Early East coast (BDP/KRS-One after Scott la Rock died, Public Enemy, EPMD, Third Bass, ect.).  Early West Coast (NWA, followed by Ice-Cube and Doctor Dre, Ice-T, Snoop, ect.) Then you have the Biggie and Tupac era just after that all of which could be considered gangster and most certainly was NOT tripe.  Then you had groups that were more hip hop but still rap like A Tribe Called Quest or De La Soul, also NOT tripe.  Then you have the Beasties who were a category all unto themselves, absolutely NOT tripe.  You could make the argument that by the time we got to WuTang, 50 Cent, ect. we were heading downhill in the quality department (although there were talented musicians in that group (Method Man, Redman, ect.)).  Painting a brush over all "gangster rap" as tripe paints you as an idiot.
 
2013-08-22 03:28:30 PM

EyeballKid: People_are_Idiots: The Millenia has a few catchy raps (mainly, surprisingly, LMFAO)

Oh, shiat! I didn't recognize you as a troll at first, my bad!


Mhmm, did I say roll-over awesome? I meant catchy, as in the lyrics. Rap in the 80's wasn't about gangs, drugs, guns... it was about having fun with friends.
 
2013-08-22 03:43:43 PM

Hiro-ACiD: People_are_Idiots: The 80's was when Rap was good,

Yeah: "Well I went to the hat store today, and I bought myself a hat, a-ha ha."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Yo_hDgCAjc


And that comedian lost all respect with me when he dropped an N bomb, and was worse with the generalization with rap from the 80's. Let's compare...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUii3L4Fqok - Eric B and Rakim, 1987

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH3hrtp1T84 - Gangstarr, 1998

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZnBt2W48A0 - Snoop Dogg, 2004

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIOOwhmkoLo - LMFAO, 2011
 
2013-08-22 04:12:38 PM

Primus Sucks1: You could make the argument that by the time we got to WuTang, 50 Cent, ect.


Uh, did you really lump in Wu Tang with 50 Cent? Wu is the reason NYC came back to the forefront after the emergence of G-Funk, and I don't know any hip-hop fan that considers them some sort of newer act or part of the downfall of rap. The downfall of mainstream rap was Biggie and Tupac dying and Puffy with his shiny suits taking over in the late 90s. The good rap has been underground and alternative ever since.
 
2013-08-22 04:14:11 PM

People_are_Idiots: Gangstarr, 1998


Best song you posted.
 
2013-08-22 04:28:10 PM

PsiChick: Oldiron_79: I didn't like the 90s overall mainly because cRap took over as the dominant form of music, but if hating cRap isnt a thing for you I guess otherwise the 90s was ok.

Liked the 80s and the first 7 or so years of the oughts was alright.

You do know 90's music was actually famous for the slightly-emo pop songs, not rap, right? Like Staind, Nickelback, Five For Fighting, Foo Fighters...

/Plus, you know, economy that worked, a real job market, things like that.
//Seriously, though, you listened to the wrong radio stations, I didn't start hearing rap until the aughts, and I still love slightly-emo pop songs.


Round these parts all the people who listen to whatever is trendy instead of what they actually like(you know souless retards) switched from rock to rap like the day after Kurt Cobain blew his brains out.
 
2013-08-22 04:37:00 PM

People_are_Idiots: You're right, cause it sucked. The 80's was when Rap was good,


"Even as you read this, white people are telling other white people about the golden age of Hip Hop that they experienced in a suburban high school or through a viewing of The Wackness."
 
2013-08-22 05:22:34 PM

People_are_Idiots: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Yo_hDgCAjc


Are you trying to prove rap sucks with those examples?
 
2013-08-22 05:59:19 PM

People_are_Idiots: And that comedian lost all respect with me when he dropped an N bomb, and was worse with the generalization with rap from the 80's.


Wow, bet you'ld be real fun at parties if anyone ever invited you.

/lighten up Francis, it's just one of the four pillars
 
2013-08-22 06:49:30 PM

Hiro-ACiD: People_are_Idiots: And that comedian lost all respect with me when he dropped an N bomb, and was worse with the generalization with rap from the 80's.

Wow, bet you'ld be real fun at parties if anyone ever invited you.

/lighten up Francis, it's just one of the four pillars


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2-qB-HvjHE
 
2013-08-22 07:01:02 PM
The early 80's were awesome.  ~1980-1983.

Then, the golden age happened - ~ 1986-1992

There was a brief period of 'ok' 90's - ~1993-1995/1996

Then, everything started slowly going to shiat.
 
2013-08-22 07:07:04 PM
The '90s was the decade Glass-Steagal was repealed and outsourcing and insourcing took off, for those wondering why the last 12-14 years have been so bad.

/Voted for Bubba
 
2013-08-23 03:15:27 AM

manimal2878: People_are_Idiots: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Yo_hDgCAjc

Are you trying to prove rap sucks with those examples?


You rather have Wham?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsyHQgiem8c
 
2013-08-23 03:17:19 AM

PsiChick: Oldiron_79: I didn't like the 90s overall mainly because cRap took over as the dominant form of music, but if hating cRap isnt a thing for you I guess otherwise the 90s was ok.

Liked the 80s and the first 7 or so years of the oughts was alright.

You do know 90's music was actually famous for the slightly-emo pop songs, not rap, right? Like Staind, Nickelback, Five For Fighting, Foo Fighters...

/Plus, you know, economy that worked, a real job market, things like that.
//Seriously, though, you listened to the wrong radio stations, I didn't start hearing rap until the aughts, and I still love slightly-emo pop songs.


Sorry, but what? The 90's is known most for grunge: Nirvana, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, Smashing Pumpkins, Sponge and other alternative stuff like Oasis and Lush. The emo-pop stuff came later in late '90s but absolutely DOES NOT define the decade, and gangsta rap and hip hop WERE FREAKING HUGE in the early 90's post-Rodney King.
 
2013-08-23 03:17:45 AM

TheJoe03: People_are_Idiots: Gangstarr, 1998

Best song you posted.


Let me guess, you like this too?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
 
2013-08-23 03:20:12 AM

Abacus9: PsiChick: Oldiron_79: I didn't like the 90s overall mainly because cRap took over as the dominant form of music, but if hating cRap isnt a thing for you I guess otherwise the 90s was ok.

Liked the 80s and the first 7 or so years of the oughts was alright.

You do know 90's music was actually famous for the slightly-emo pop songs, not rap, right? Like Staind, Nickelback, Five For Fighting, Foo Fighters...

/Plus, you know, economy that worked, a real job market, things like that.
//Seriously, though, you listened to the wrong radio stations, I didn't start hearing rap until the aughts, and I still love slightly-emo pop songs.

Sorry, but what? The 90's is known most for grunge: Nirvana, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, Smashing Pumpkins, Sponge and other alternative stuff like Oasis and Lush. The emo-pop stuff came later in late '90s but absolutely DOES NOT define the decade, and gangsta rap and hip hop WERE FREAKING HUGE in the early 90's post-Rodney King.


Gotta mention another: Green Day. It was also the decade Metallica went "alternative," and screamed like little kids during Napster.
 
2013-08-23 03:25:43 AM

TheJoe03: The downfall of mainstream rap was Biggie and Tupac dying and Puffy with his shiny suits taking over in the late 90s.


One of the truest statements ever.
 
2013-08-23 03:29:32 AM

People_are_Idiots: Abacus9: PsiChick: Oldiron_79: I didn't like the 90s overall mainly because cRap took over as the dominant form of music, but if hating cRap isnt a thing for you I guess otherwise the 90s was ok.

Liked the 80s and the first 7 or so years of the oughts was alright.

You do know 90's music was actually famous for the slightly-emo pop songs, not rap, right? Like Staind, Nickelback, Five For Fighting, Foo Fighters...

/Plus, you know, economy that worked, a real job market, things like that.
//Seriously, though, you listened to the wrong radio stations, I didn't start hearing rap until the aughts, and I still love slightly-emo pop songs.

Sorry, but what? The 90's is known most for grunge: Nirvana, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, Smashing Pumpkins, Sponge and other alternative stuff like Oasis and Lush. The emo-pop stuff came later in late '90s but absolutely DOES NOT define the decade, and gangsta rap and hip hop WERE FREAKING HUGE in the early 90's post-Rodney King.

Gotta mention another: Green Day. It was also the decade Metallica went "alternative," and screamed like little kids during Napster.


Yeah, but that was more mid-90's, I was referring to around 90-94ish. And Green Day was and never will be as huge as the grunge explosion bands around 1992. Also, I thought the Napster thing was 2000, but close enough.
 
2013-08-23 03:45:07 AM
 
2013-08-23 05:57:36 AM

People_are_Idiots: TheJoe03: People_are_Idiots: Gangstarr, 1998

Best song you posted.

Let me guess, you like this too?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ


Wow, you compared Gang Starr (Guru and DJ Premier) with Rick farkin Astly? You have no credibility now.
 
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