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2013-08-22 02:43:23 AM

Harry_Seldon: thisisyourbrainonFark: [images.wikia.com image 500x457]

Oh yeah?

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Yeah.

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2013-08-22 02:48:50 AM
Worst. Decade. Ever.

I usually say that the best things to come out of the 80s are Die Hard, and John Cusack's career. My wife (born in '82) does not find that particularly amusing.
 
2013-08-22 02:52:24 AM

bifford: The only thing that sucked about the 90s were the comic books.  Terrible art and writing (the writing is still terrible, but the art has now gotten better).


The superhero stuff may have been a mess (multiple cover variants, holograms and other gimmicks, killing Superman, Bane vs Batman and the aftermath, etc) but the 90s gave us a LOT of Vertigo goodness:

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(yes, I know both of those started in the late 80s, but the bulk of their runs were in the 90s)

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1997-2002

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1995

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1991

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1990

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1991 to 1997
 
2013-08-22 02:55:43 AM

TheJoe03: TuteTibiImperes: You might like this: 360 Degrees.

I do indeed, did they do any other tracks together?

Oh and since you posted a cool rap/electronic collabo, here's one with Massive Attack and Mos Def. Just for shiats and giggles here's one with Black Keys and Mos Def.


That's the only one I know of.  The Propellerheads only had one studio album, but it has a number of other cool tracks and is worth checking out.

Thanks for the recommendations, I really like the one with he Black Keys.
 
2013-08-22 03:20:02 AM
Choosing one decade over another is always a futile, tragic gesture. Face it, you people ruin everything you touch.
 
2013-08-22 03:27:11 AM

BullBearMS: TuteTibiImperes: All in all Clinton's scorecard is pretty dang good.

Ummmm... No.

The destruction of the middle class was all set up under Clinton.

The financial crisis had it's roots in a couple of major blunders under Clinton.

[dl.dropboxusercontent.com image 415x249]

Repealing Glass Steagall which allowed for the creation of "too big to jail" banks, and the Clinton administration forcing the head of the Commodities Futures Trading Commission to back down on her attempt to regulate derivatives.

In The Warning, veteran FRONTLINE producer Michael Kirk unearths the hidden history of the nation's worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. At the center of it all he finds Brooksley Born, who speaks for the first time on television about her failed campaign to regulate the secretive, multitrillion-dollar derivatives market whose crash helped trigger the financial collapse in the fall of 2008.

Then, there was Clinton's role in passing the first of the free trade agreements that allowed the filthy rich to move the manufactuing jobs outside the United States without any sort of financial penalty when they brought the finished goods back inside the country.

It's no accident that Detroit has gone from the fourth largest city in the United States and one of the largest manufacturing centers in the world, to a burnt out, abandoned husk.

Clinton while signing the NAFTA bill stated: "...NAFTA means jobs. American jobs, and good-paying American jobs. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't support this agreement."

That was a lie that would come to play an enormous role in the destruction of the middle class.


The fact that these two root causes of the financial collapse are not attributed to Clinton ever is disturbing.  These are the main enablers of the evisceration of the middle class and the subsequent housing collapse.
 
2013-08-22 03:28:20 AM

meat0918: I loved the 90's.

The 80's sucked.  My dad was laid off for most of the decade, we were dirt poor.  The 90's saw all that turn around.

It's purely anecdotal, but I've found that people that loved the 80's also love Saint Ronald Reagan.


Well, at least saint ronnie is burning in hell with his wife.
No really. Between the two of them, they set america back 20-30 years and we still havent recovered.
Deficits Dont Matter and Just Say No.

FARK THEM BOTH for all eternity.
 
2013-08-22 03:32:42 AM

NFA: 1980's -  Worked my ass off every single day of the week, used and abused by employers who thought I was a slave and not an employee, literally couldn't afford to eat every day and rarely ate three meals a day
1990's -  BIG up swing in prosperity.  Got married, bought a house.  Nice balance between work and life
2000's -  Marriage going great, life was good, became a millionaire. Inherited a kid. Worked too damn much.
2010's -  Marriage still going good, became a multimillionaire.  Work my ass off every single day dealing with the problems of others.  Don't eat every meal, sometimes skip days eating because of too much work and health problems.  Dream of retiring every single day.


retire tomorrow
TADA
you are more than rich enough
are you waiting for your second heart attack??

/college for the kids? LOANS!
 
2013-08-22 03:32:49 AM

namatad: Well, at least saint ronnie is burning in hell with his wife.


Nancy Reagan is still alive.
 
2013-08-22 03:33:38 AM

Shadowtag: Choosing one decade over another is always a futile, tragic gesture. Face it, you people ruin everything you touch.


Agreed. There should be no debate about what decade was the "best," as long as we all understand that the 1970s were a heinous abortion of all aesthetic sensibility, in everything from fashion to food to music to literature.

/well...ABBA was pretty awesome. But, everything else unambiguously sucked.
 
2013-08-22 03:34:09 AM
"It's just an inescapable truth that people feel nostalgic for their youth and think that whatever particular era they happened to grow up in was the best time to be had in all of history.  My mom was always keen for the fifties, which she remembers as a time of decency and stability, a land of Ozzie & Harriet wholesomeness.  My uncle, a few years younger, will never stop reminiscing about the sixties and the freewheeling hippie lifestyle he briefly embraced -- it was all about weed and the Beatles, I would judge from his rambling stories.  A certain coworker of mine pines for the decadent seventies in New York City, and makes veiled references to hedonistic times he enjoyed in the Disco Era.  And we all know some people who yearn for the electric-blue eighties or the grungy nineties...

...misguided sentimentality, I tell you.  Everyone only remembers the good parts of their vanished salad days, clinging to pop culture artifacts and hazy impressions of national unity or youthful abandon.  But I suppose I am no different, because just like them, I'm convinced that my youth occurred in the greatest time in human history -- the Millennial Era.  Oh, what a decade.  It was initially defined by the earthshattering events of September 11th, which we watched as wide-eyed children.  I can still remember the thrill of that day, the incredible spectacle of destruction, and the air of excitement as we hoped for more attacks to disrupt the monotony of life, wig out the adults -- and maybe get us out of school for another week.  No puny Woodstock concert or piddling Watergate scandal can ever match the importance and the sheer awesomeness of 9-11, that is indisputable...

...and that was just the opening trumpet blast of a decade that charged out of the gates like a juggernaut.  Another significant terrorist attack never materialized, but Hurrican Katrina was almost as compelling -- remember the Superdome footage and all those drowning black people?  Glorious.  In the Millennial Age, we were still blessed with a cool tough guy as our President, a man who made you feel good about America as we were blowing up terrorists and taking over countries like a farking boss.  The economy was pumping full throttle and the roads were dominated by giant Hummers and Escalades, where the heck have those all gone?  Music?  Rock and roll evolved past its questionable beginnings and reached a zenith of pure kick-assedness in the form of Korn and Limp Bizkit; classic anthems such as "Freak on a Leash" and "Nookie" were the soundtrack to a nation proudly moshing into the unlimited future.  So many other great things to mention, I could go one forever.  Pokemon.  The Matrix sequels.  The Star Wars prequels!  Survivor and American Idol.  Britney and Backstreet, Xtina and N*sync.  50 Cent.  Ritalin and Adderall.  The Saw movies.  MySpace.  iPods.  The Nintendo Wii.  And it all led up to the coolest pop culture event in history -- the release of James Cameron's Avatar, unquestionably the greatest film ever made.  We all saw it, we all loved it, it redefined the possibilities of cinema for all time.  What a great closing note to an unstoppable decade.

Yes, I dare any of you fogies to make a case for your crappy youths.  I'm sorry, but you were mere precursors to the Millennial Age, a triumphant time that can never be matched.  And to the kids coming up now in this new decade -- sorry, f**gots, but the real party is over and you're just gonna have to fight over our scraps."
 
2013-08-22 03:47:23 AM
The Wall had fallen and no-one had flown planes into buildings yet. So yes, it was the best decade in my lifetime.
 
2013-08-22 03:59:19 AM

TuteTibiImperes: The 90s were good times.  I guess the old racists don't care for them because they marked when hip-hop/rap culture really became mainstream, but there was plenty of good stuff going on.  History will remember Bill Clinton has one of our best Presidents ever.


Actually.... seems everyone forgets a few rappers from the 80's when it REALLY went mainstream.
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The crap from the 90's is commonly referred to as "Gangsta' Rap," or crap depending on who you talk to. As far as the "good stuff," best thing was when TECHNO became mainstream. Most of the other junk sucked. Clinton as far I was concerned was an "ok" president, though far outshines any we had in awhile (he was agreeable).
 
2013-08-22 04:22:49 AM
I think I liked the 80's a little bit more than the 90's. In the 80's I was just a kid, no job no responsibility other than getting good grades. One summer in the 80's I went barefoot 90% of the time, climbed trees, yup those were the days.
 
2013-08-22 04:37:24 AM

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I turned 19 in 1970.  Those of us who lived it know the best decade.


I turned 6 in 1970...16 in 1980.  The 1970s KICK-ASS!!  Was sad to see them go.
The 80s were meh
90s a little better than the 80s
2000 +  Mondo Suckage
 
2013-08-22 04:44:06 AM
The author of that article is an idiot who doesn't know how to read a graph.

People_are_Idiots: As far as the "good stuff," best thing was when TECHNO became mainstream.


Techno is the worst thing to happen to music ever.
 
2013-08-22 04:50:05 AM
Overall the 80s music sucked. Some shining lights, but on average...crap.
80s movies sucked...can you name a good 80s movie besides Raging Bull? And don't list your favorite coming of age movie...you know why? Because it sucked.

The 70's movie are still rated top of all time...Godfather, Star Wars, The Sting, Deer Hunter, One Flew Over he Cuckoos Nest....
90s saw the emergence of Tarantino.
80s sucked...John Hughes movies...Rambo movies...slasher movies
 
2013-08-22 05:03:00 AM

The Southern Dandy: 80s movies sucked...can you name a good 80s movie besides Raging Bull?


I hate 80s movies but for some reason I find Big Trouble in Little China to be hilarious.

/it's all in the reflexes
//I'd also add Platoon, Indiana Jones movies, Ghostbusters, Coming to America, and Caddyshack
 
2013-08-22 06:20:45 AM
Late half of 1800s early par of 1900s were pretty cool IMHO with al the discoveries and interventions. Being around for the Wright Brothers first flight. Could you imagine trying to invent an airplane or light bulb in your home workshop under todays conditions? Large part of the world still unmapped open to exploration. Not needing a form of Identification every where you go. Downsides would be no penicillin, lack of indoor plumbing etc. But it is all trade offs.
 
2013-08-22 06:43:18 AM

The Southern Dandy: Overall the 80s music sucked. Some shining lights, but on average...crap.
80s movies sucked...can you name a good 80s movie besides Raging Bull? And don't list your favorite coming of age movie...you know why? Because it sucked.

The 70's movie are still rated top of all time...Godfather, Star Wars, The Sting, Deer Hunter, One Flew Over he Cuckoos Nest....
90s saw the emergence of Tarantino.
80s sucked...John Hughes movies...Rambo movies...slasher movies


Empire, Raiders, RotJ, Last Crusade thats 4 good 80s films
 
2013-08-22 06:48:28 AM
If I think about it, I had plenty of good times In the 90s.  But for me anyway, the 90's are when  America became kind of became 'meh' as far as a decade having it's own identity.
The 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s all have their own very, very recognizable 'looks' and music.  From the 90s on, the decades just kind of blend together....
 
2013-08-22 06:54:03 AM
Superman II
 
2013-08-22 06:59:16 AM
 Inexplicably the 1990s-objectively speaking the best decade-not only underperformed the overrated 1950s and 1960s

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2013-08-22 07:42:58 AM

BullBearMS: TuteTibiImperes: All in all Clinton's scorecard is pretty dang good.

Ummmm... No.

The destruction of the middle class was all set up under Clinton.

The financial crisis had it's roots in a couple of major blunders under Clinton.

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Repealing Glass Steagall which allowed for the creation of "too big to jail" banks, and the Clinton administration forcing the head of the Commodities Futures Trading Commission to back down on her attempt to regulate derivatives.

In The Warning, veteran FRONTLINE producer Michael Kirk unearths the hidden history of the nation's worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. At the center of it all he finds Brooksley Born, who speaks for the first time on television about her failed campaign to regulate the secretive, multitrillion-dollar derivatives market whose crash helped trigger the financial collapse in the fall of 2008.

Then, there was Clinton's role in passing the first of the free trade agreements that allowed the filthy rich to move the manufactuing jobs outside the United States without any sort of financial penalty when they brought the finished goods back inside the country.

It's no accident that Detroit has gone from the fourth largest city in the United States and one of the largest manufacturing centers in the world, to a burnt out, abandoned husk.

Clinton while signing the NAFTA bill stated: "...NAFTA means jobs. American jobs, and good-paying American jobs. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't support this agreement."

That was a lie that would come to play an enormous role in the destruction of the middle class.


When you say clinton in all of the above, don't you really mean the republican congress of the 90s?
 
2013-08-22 07:43:35 AM

People_are_Idiots: The crap from the 90's is commonly referred to as "Gangsta' Rap," or crap depending on who you talk to.


content8.flixster.com    24.media.tumblr.com   userserve-ak.last.fm

Know how I can tell you didn't really listen to rap in the 90s?
 
fdr
2013-08-22 07:47:27 AM

OnlyM3: TuteTibiImperes [TotalFark]
2013-08-21 07:16:30 PM


The 90s were good times. I guess the old racists don't care for them because they marked when hip-hop/rap culture really became mainstream, but there was plenty of good stuff going on. History will remember Bill Clinton has one of our best Presidents ever.
* Don't ask don't tell
* Defense of Marriage Act
* Juanita Broaddrick
* White House FBI files controversy (found on clinton's desk)
* Attack of Yugoslavia (I know it's only wrong when bush attacks a nation w/o provocation)
* Waco (Hey it's ok to murder people whose religion you disagree with)
* Elián González
* Whitewater
* Commercegate
* Chinagate
* Bombing of Iraq (I know it's only wrong when bush does it)
* Cruise missile strikes on Afghanistan
* Cruise missile strikes on Sudan
* Al-Shifa pharmaceutical factory bombing
* Refusal to accept osama bin ladin as a prisoner.


yeah... hell of a decade
* Gennifer Flowers



When you included Elián González in your list of atrocities, you and your silly list lost any credibility. On real issues, Clinton cut the unemployment in half, tripled our 401K's, and kept us out of wars. It's a stretch to equate the Elián González matter involving 1 kid and family with balancing the Federal budget 4 years in a row. The items on your list, even taken as a whole, do no damage to a very successful President.
 
2013-08-22 07:57:36 AM

fusillade762: Actually the goth thing started in the 80s, too. I remember going to a gay club called The City here in Portland many times in the late 80s that had a goth section called The Hollyrock Room. I wasn't a goth or gay but they had the best drugs.


Well I think we were talking about the awesome kind of goths, the girls in their early twenties, not whatever horrific thing you were talking about.
 
fdr
2013-08-22 08:11:21 AM

djkutch: OnlyM3: TuteTibiImperes [TotalFark]
2013-08-21 07:16:30 PM


The 90s were good times. I guess the old racists don't care for them because they marked when hip-hop/rap culture really became mainstream, but there was plenty of good stuff going on. History will remember Bill Clinton has one of our best Presidents ever.
* Don't ask don't tell
* Defense of Marriage Act
* Juanita Broaddrick
* White House FBI files controversy (found on clinton's desk)
* Attack of Yugoslavia (I know it's only wrong when bush attacks a nation w/o provocation)
* Waco (Hey it's ok to murder people whose religion you disagree with)
* Elián González
* Whitewater
* Commercegate
* Chinagate
* Bombing of Iraq (I know it's only wrong when bush does it)
* Cruise missile strikes on Afghanistan
* Cruise missile strikes on Sudan
* Al-Shifa pharmaceutical factory bombing
* Refusal to accept osama bin ladin as a prisoner.


yeah... hell of a decade
* Gennifer Flowers

You forgot Lewinsky and McDonalds. So, so close to perfection. It's omissions like this that keep the true artist up night.


Nothing like Republicans making blowjobs more important than Clinton cutting the unemployment to 3.9%.
 
2013-08-22 08:36:18 AM

AngryDragon: The fact that these two root causes of the financial collapse are not attributed to Clinton ever is disturbing.


Let's think about why that might be.

Do you know what the law was named that repealed the glass steagal act?

It was called the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act.  Do you know who Gramm, Leach and Bliley were?  Well, they were the ones that wrote the bill, and they were all republicans.
 
2013-08-22 08:43:07 AM

manimal2878: AngryDragon: The fact that these two root causes of the financial collapse are not attributed to Clinton ever is disturbing.

Let's think about why that might be.

Do you know what the law was named that repealed the glass steagal act?

It was called the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act.  Do you know who Gramm, Leach and Bliley were?  Well, they were the ones that wrote the bill, and they were all republicans.


Yep. Most of the bad from Clinton's tenure (welfare "reform," de-regulating everything under the sun, government shutdown, NAFTA, Don't Ask Don't Tell) came as a result of negotiating with terrorists. And, look at how they thanked him: a revenge impeachment because they were still mad about Nixon and "it was Bob Dole's turn." You'd think the next Democratic president would have learned something from that.
 
2013-08-22 08:54:40 AM

EyeballKid: manimal2878: AngryDragon: The fact that these two root causes of the financial collapse are not attributed to Clinton ever is disturbing.

Let's think about why that might be.

Do you know what the law was named that repealed the glass steagal act?

It was called the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act.  Do you know who Gramm, Leach and Bliley were?  Well, they were the ones that wrote the bill, and they were all republicans.

Yep. Most of the bad from Clinton's tenure (welfare "reform," de-regulating everything under the sun, government shutdown, NAFTA, Don't Ask Don't Tell) came as a result of negotiating with terrorists. And, look at how they thanked him: a revenge impeachment because they were still mad about Nixon and "it was Bob Dole's turn." You'd think the next Democratic president would have learned something from that.


If Republicans were pen and paper role playing they would meta game the shiat out of everything while playing a chaotic neutral bard/thief so they could pickpocket everyone at the table while making them dance.
 
2013-08-22 09:16:24 AM

Ablejack


Devo: Grunge Music
Ska
Electronic Raves
Even Big Band music had a go at in the 90s.
vs
Hair Bands.

Everything you listed happened in the eighties. Except for your login, "Devo" (that was the seventies.)


No.

The third wave of ska happened in the 90s.
Big band (swing) dancing made a resurgence in the mid 90s.
Raves were very 90s.
The "Seattle sound" put the last nails in the hair-band coffin by around 1993. (This means the spandex-and-makeup bands had at least a couple years of play in the 90s.)
 
2013-08-22 09:18:40 AM
FTA There was a big war. One participant in that war had an active policy of targeting enemy civilian population centers for wholesale destruction as a battlefield tactic.

Huh?  What war is he talking about? They all went after civies with a vengeance. London, Nanking, Dresden, Tokyo, pretty much the entire eastern front(both sides).
 
2013-08-22 09:45:38 AM

Tax Boy: Clinton just screwed a couple chicks.

Reagan screwed EVERYONE


Not really. The 80's and forever afterward were where it was proven that the President really takes credit for the successes or the blame for the stupidity for the previous President. Reagan's "trickle-down" policy, for all it's undisguised bias toward the rich, really gave Clinton a comfortable economy to hand to the Mexicans, via NAFTA. While Clinton was busy treating the White House like his own personal Love Shack, and letting angry women make the more important policy decisions, the Middle East was busy growing the seeds of hatred. Bush was possibly the worst President to be in power on 9/11. His RINO classification has been firmly cemented in place by Obama, who has apparently recognized the leftist reasoning behind Bush's policies and actions, and has chosen to strengthen each and every one. Obama's only change: trade Afghanistan and Iraq for undisguised and covert operations against U.S. citizens. Even this was started by Bush, but Obama recognized its leftist brilliance early on.

I really feel sorry for Clinton, should she follow Obama. She's going to be left with ashes to build her reputation on.
 
2013-08-22 10:36:33 AM
The cars of the 90s were the high-performance Japanese supercar technological marvels... Nissan 300zx, Toyota Supra, Mistubishi 3000GT.
 
2013-08-22 10:38:10 AM
Also Acura NSX.
 
2013-08-22 10:42:33 AM

Radioactive Ass: namatad: Well, at least saint ronnie is burning in hell with his wife.

Nancy Reagan is still alive.


Shhh. He's really foaming at the mouth. It's amusing to watch.
 
2013-08-22 10:44:45 AM

fdr: and kept us out of wars.


the 90s were for made-up internal wars like Ruby Ridge and Waco.
 
2013-08-22 10:58:51 AM
Do people hate the 90s, or do they hate their 40s-50s?
 
2013-08-22 11:00:58 AM

Oldiron_79: I didn't like the 90s overall mainly because cRap took over as the dominant form of music, but if hating cRap isnt a thing for you I guess otherwise the 90s was ok.

Liked the 80s and the first 7 or so years of the oughts was alright.


You do know 90's music was actually famous for the slightly-emo pop songs, not rap, right? Like Staind, Nickelback, Five For Fighting, Foo Fighters...

/Plus, you know, economy that worked, a real job market, things like that.
//Seriously, though, you listened to the wrong radio stations, I didn't start hearing rap until the aughts, and I still love slightly-emo pop songs.
 
2013-08-22 11:04:56 AM
That's because 90s Nick flood bombed the results.

90s Nick in Everything was Better in the 90s
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2013-08-22 11:15:39 AM
Well, the 80's started off pretty bad. I can see why people want to go back to the 20's.

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2013-08-22 11:17:35 AM
Obviously it was the presidents.  The least objectionable member of the Bush family, followed by Bill Clinton.
 
2013-08-22 11:26:24 AM
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2013-08-22 11:48:14 AM

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So we tore down this oil city with rock and roll?
 
2013-08-22 12:20:09 PM

lewismarktwo: It was called the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. Do you know who Gramm, Leach and Bliley were? Well, they were the ones that wrote the bill, and they were all republicans.


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It's sweet that you are so determined to make excuses for a lying ass politician, but Clinton set that in motion.

What the rich learned, is that it's hard to rape America without buying off both parties.

However, if they can get a Democratic President to propose something, no matter how bad it might be for the working class, there will be a huge number of idiots like you who will make excuses for it blunting any criticism from the left wing of American thought.

Of course the Republicans are also going to be in favor of whatever helps their wealthy donor buddies, so America gets screwed and there aren't enough people left to fight for what is right.

Look at what happened when the CEO's decided to abandon America and move the manufacturing jobs to China. They had to get China permanent most favored nation trading status to make that possible. Otherwise, their factory was one Tienanmen Square away from being inaccessible to them.

They tried to get it done through all the Regan years, but could not. However as soon as Clinton started fighting for it, guess what happened?
The power of the new China lobby was evident in Beijing last March
7, when more than 100 representatives of major U.S. firms held
their annual conference under the auspices of the U.S.-China Business
Council. Delivering his first major speech since taking office
just weeks before, U.S. Ambassador James Sasser told them that
the Clinton administration was counting on aggressive pressure
from business to secure renewal of MFN status for China.
"[Sasser]
also suggested that CEOs make personal calls on Congress when
they wish to relay their concerns on major China-related issues,
such as MFN," reported the China Business Review,
the bimonthly magazine of the U.S.-China Business Council. "Nothing,"
he said, "makes an impression on a member of Congress like
a visit or phone call from a CEO from the member's district or
state."

Of course, the Fortune 500 companies that comprise the U.S.-China
Business Council-led by Boeing, Motorola, Caterpillar, AT&T,
and the American International Group (AIG)-hardly needed Sasser's
encouragement. They have been working the halls of Congress intensely
since the 1972 opening to China by President Nixon. Lured by the
prospect of 1.2 billion low-wage workers and eager consumers,
America's corporate elite have done a fine job unofficially representing
the Chinese government in Washington.


Even as Sasser spoke, the lobby's troops were being mobilized
back in Washington. A coalition of America's largest companies,
drawing on their experience in the battle over the North American
Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), had already begun to rally trade
associations, lawyers, and corporate officials for the perennial
battle to assure that China continue to receive the benefits of
MFN. The business lobbyists were worried that, however unlikely,
a coalition of labor, consumer, environmental, and human rights
groups in Washington, joined in odd alliance with the dwindling
remnants of the right-wing Taiwan lobby, might manage to raise
a brouhaha about China and win a House of Representatives vote
later in the year revoking MFN
.

The huge Corporations had been fighting to be able to move everything to China forever, but until they bought off Clinton, they couldn't get it done.

There was a time when Democrats cared about what labor thought more than they cared for bribe money, but that time went away under Clinton. Don't get me wrong, a whole lot of Democrats fought against NAFTA and MFN status for China, but the got their asses kicked and look where organized labor is today.
 
2013-08-22 12:24:12 PM
Born in 81... bday was yesterday, in fact.
 
2013-08-22 12:31:40 PM

Anastacya: Born in 81... bday was yesterday, in fact.


Happy birthday! Loved your pet photos.
 
2013-08-22 12:45:30 PM

TheJoe03: The Southern Dandy: 80s movies sucked...can you name a good 80s movie besides Raging Bull?

I hate 80s movies but for some reason I find Big Trouble in Little China to be hilarious.

/it's all in the reflexes
//I'd also add Platoon, Indiana Jones movies, Ghostbusters, Coming to America, and Caddyshack


Some of the bad movies were better: Battle Beyond the Stars, In the Mouth of Madness, Flash Gordon, Evil Dead, Galaxina, and Motel Hell to name a few
Comedies? Airplane, Spaceballs, History of the World Part I, Caddyshack, Stripes, Ghostbusters, Gremlins...

80's brought to mainstream to the Zuckers, Tim Burton, Ron Howard, Val Kilmer, John Carpenter, John Hughes, and Oliver Stone.

/Raging Bull, IMO, sucked though. Rocky was better.
 
2013-08-22 12:52:36 PM

EyeballKid: People_are_Idiots: The crap from the 90's is commonly referred to as "Gangsta' Rap," or crap depending on who you talk to.

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Know how I can tell you didn't really listen to rap in the 90s?


You're right, cause it sucked. The 80's was when Rap was good, all the way back to the Rap battles in the early 80's (Rap itself does have a longer history). The Millenia has a few catchy raps (mainly, surprisingly, LMFAO) but in general, rap has gone to crap. Only thing really easy to listen to nowadays is surprisingly hard rock and metal, and even then you have to find a diamond in the rough.

/80's had Whitney Houston when she was good, nice looking, and not trying to be an opera singer.
 
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