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2013-08-21 10:11:26 PM
The 90's were entirely nondescript and lacking in personality.
 
2013-08-21 10:12:43 PM

Triumph: Who are the maniacs that want to go back to the 40s?


I'm more concerned by the people who want to go back to the 1900s.
 
2013-08-21 10:13:23 PM

peterthx: /the butthurt lefties biatching about the 80s forgot how bad things got in the 70s, especially for the US on the world stage.


No, the 70s blew chunks, but even then the US was still a creditor nation because Reagan hadn't turned the debt taps on to really grease up the military-industrial complex.
 
2013-08-21 10:13:54 PM

NFA: lewismarktwo: Hey, guess what?  If you're actually a multimillionaire you can retire right now today.

Nope, I can't.  Three years I'll be ready everything will be square, healthcare, monthly income, I'll be done.


You can, and still live more comfortably than most people. You choose not to because you want to continue living like the people in your social circle.
 
2013-08-21 10:13:58 PM
Best thing about the nineties: Over size sport coats.
 
2013-08-21 10:15:59 PM

Mentat: NewWorldDan: I refer to the 90s as the great depression.  Everyone was on Prozac, listened to Nirvana, and wore flannel shirts.  Complete opposite of the 80s.  Fear of nuclear war and AIDS caused everyone to start a decade long party.  It started the modern gay rights movement when a lot of confused young men turned on MTV and saw rock stars that were prettier than their girlfriends.  Although those rock stars were really just emulating Freddie Mercury and Queen from the mid 70s.  The 80s were a really strange decade that can't be understood if you didn't live through it.  I'm still a little confused about it, really.

There was an amazing level of creativity in the 80's that hasn't been matched since.


I'll buy the creativity angle only if you look waaay outside the mainstream musical genres. That stuff matured and became the soundtrack of the early to mid '90s, past that too, if you're willing to look for it. That shiat's mostly all gone now, way too difficult to recoup an investment in any recordings that sound worth a damn.

Only a couple of big corporations own something like 90% of any decent sized venues, so touring - unless you're corporate-approved - is ten times harder and more likely to fail. It is sad, really.
 
2013-08-21 10:19:16 PM

Triumph: Who are the maniacs that want to go back to the 40s?


If I went back to the 40's I could help a certain leader to correct a few mistakes and then trick him out of his chancellory and become ruler of the world.
 
2013-08-21 10:19:47 PM

TheDumbBlonde: Nick Nostril: TuteTibiImperes: The 90s were good times.  I guess the old racists don't care for them because they marked when hip-hop/rap culture really became mainstream, but there was plenty of good stuff going on.  History will remember Bill Clinton has one of our best Presidents ever.

Because if you don't like hip hop, you are a racist?

No generation ever before the 90s embraced black music. Ever. Dumbass.


I mean, there was soul, funk, mo-town, jazz, etc, all before, but it was always more niche and often co-opted by white artists who became the really famous ones.  The late 80s into the 90s really saw black artists achieving the same level of success and mainstream public appeal as white ones.

OnlyM3: TuteTibiImperes [TotalFark]
2013-08-21 07:16:30 PM


The 90s were good times. I guess the old racists don't care for them because they marked when hip-hop/rap culture really became mainstream, but there was plenty of good stuff going on. History will remember Bill Clinton has one of our best Presidents ever.
* Don't ask don't tell
* Defense of Marriage Act
* Juanita Broaddrick
* White House FBI files controversy (found on clinton's desk)
* Attack of Yugoslavia (I know it's only wrong when bush attacks a nation w/o provocation)
* Waco (Hey it's ok to murder people whose religion you disagree with)
* Elián González
* Whitewater
* Commercegate
* Chinagate
* Bombing of Iraq (I know it's only wrong when bush does it)
* Cruise missile strikes on Afghanistan
* Cruise missile strikes on Sudan
* Al-Shifa pharmaceutical factory bombing
* Refusal to accept osama bin ladin as a prisoner.


Sure there were a few missteps, but most of that was either minor, manufactured controversy, or at least had the potential damage minimized.

There were no long protracted wars, the economy was booming, and our overseas conflicts were in the name of saving the oppressed and preventing genocide.  All in all Clinton's scorecard is pretty dang good.
 
2013-08-21 10:21:43 PM

theorellior: Lawnchair: Let me explain this to the youths. Back in this mystical era around 1996, people actually got paid solid cash for putting things in HTML. No, no.. I'm not talking about Ruby on Rails, six jQuery frameworks, and 300 CSS templates for a half-hearted handjob, like today. I'm talking about "A HREF", "BLINK", "TABLE TR TD", resizing GIFs, and uploading them paid actual money. Things we expect competent first graders to do today. If you could string together 50 lines of C or Perl, you were a demigod.

Listen to this man. He knows.


Heh, I remember thinking disdainfully about anyone using WYSIWYG programs to make web pages.  If you couldn't write it in notepad, it didn't need to be on the web.  Oh how the times have changed.
 
2013-08-21 10:24:21 PM
It's probably because the '90s are so recent. The decade doesn't yet have that exotic allure for a lot of people.

The '90s were a cool decade (though no decade will ever be as cool as the '20s).
 
2013-08-21 10:27:46 PM

scottydoesntknow: TuteTibiImperes: Mugato: The 90s were awesome. I made a shiatload of money as a teenage doing fark all in programming. Gothic girls were plentiful, rock wasn't dead yet. The biggest problem we had as a nation was the President getting a blowjob.

scottydoesntknow: Worst thing about the '90s: The fashions

I don't even remember the 90s having fashions, besides the aforementioned gothic trend. Other than that, the 90s were pretty nondescript fashion-wise.

Grunge, acid washed jeans, day-glo, odd geometric patterns, gaudy jewelry, etc.

Don't forget shoulder pads.


Not sure if you guys are being serious or not, but none of the stuff in bold was 90's fashion.  Sure maybe in the early 90's there were still people wearing it, but that was carry over from the 80's which has got to be the ugliest decade for hair and fashion.

The 90's was mostly grunge (flannel shirts, ripped jeans, band t-shirts), hip hop (baggy pants, over-sized sports jerseys, large puffy coats), raver gear (phat pants, tight t-shirts/baby t's, over-sized sweaters), punk/ska (plaid pants, pleather, ripped stuff, safety pins, chains - I know some of it was carryover from the late 70's), goth gear (we all know what this looks like), bell-bottoms came back into style thankfully after the 80's were all about tight/tapered jeans, admittedly the very early 90's had tacky hammer pants but that was more of a carry over from the 80's.  These are the "iconic" fashion from the 90's.  This is not to argue that the fashion was good, but it was better than the 80's.  Also most of it was fairly normal/non-descript outside of what was listed.
 
2013-08-21 10:28:41 PM

OnlyM3: TuteTibiImperes [TotalFark]
2013-08-21 07:16:30 PM


The 90s were good times. I guess the old racists don't care for them because they marked when hip-hop/rap culture really became mainstream, but there was plenty of good stuff going on. History will remember Bill Clinton has one of our best Presidents ever.
* Don't ask don't tell
* Defense of Marriage Act
* Juanita Broaddrick
* White House FBI files controversy (found on clinton's desk)
* Attack of Yugoslavia (I know it's only wrong when bush attacks a nation w/o provocation)
* Waco (Hey it's ok to murder people whose religion you disagree with)
* Elián González
* Whitewater
* Commercegate
* Chinagate
* Bombing of Iraq (I know it's only wrong when bush does it)
* Cruise missile strikes on Afghanistan
* Cruise missile strikes on Sudan
* Al-Shifa pharmaceutical factory bombing
* Refusal to accept osama bin ladin as a prisoner.


yeah... hell of a decade
* Gennifer Flowers


You forgot Lewinsky and McDonalds. So, so close to perfection. It's omissions like this that keep the true artist up night.
 
2013-08-21 10:29:32 PM
Sorry,

But acid washed jeans were a 1980s fashion faux paus.  And only headbangers and poor kids had them.

I grew up in New Orleans, and the hip crowd wore Girbaud on the guys, guess on the girls, and bleached out Levis.
 
2013-08-21 10:29:44 PM

The English Major: The Stealth Hippopotamus: / 80 music is the best music

This cannot be stressed enough.


Only because Michael Jackson was at his best. fark if you say otherwise.
 
2013-08-21 10:30:02 PM

Lsherm: It's because GenX came of age during the 90's, and there are less of us than any other generation.  That's it.  That explains it.

The 90's were farking awesome.  Unlike the 80's, bush trimming was in, and unlike the aughts, women didn't present themselves like 10 year olds in the pubic hair department.

Plus, we had the best alternative music scene by far.


GenX came of age during the 80s, not the 90s. 90s everything sucked. Music and fashion especially. The 80s had video games, computers, and music that was at least interesting even when it sucked. The 90s gave way to "just got out of bed" fashion and lifeless music almost universally.

/80s boy
//Reagan sucked
///90s REALLY sucked
 
2013-08-21 10:31:32 PM
The 70's had this...which  seems like a good thing

www.lifelounge.com.au
 
2013-08-21 10:31:38 PM
The 90s has no style that's easy to encapsulate and re-deliver as nostalgia.  This is not necessarily a bad thing (one could argue that it suggests nuance), but it may mean that the decade does get glossed over in a lot of ways.

But I do think it is actually lacking in quality style.  What 90s car could you actually imagine being a legitimate collector's item?

The 00s and 10s may be farked too--I would say the quality is starting to get somewhere, but it's still kind of stuck in a plasticky tech stage that exhibits elegance the 90s lacked, but still needs to mature some more.  The late 10s and early 20s might be huge.
 
2013-08-21 10:32:19 PM
Let me simplify this for everyone here. The best decade in history is the decade between whenever you turned six and whenever you turned sixteen.

/For me, that was the Sixties.
 
2013-08-21 10:34:18 PM
I'd like to have lived as a young adult during the 1920s.

There were cars, phones, radio, lighting and indoor plumbing.   Long distance travel was do-able, WW1 was over and things wouldnt boil over again for another decade.  People were working and partying, and technology was in the early stages of taking off.

It must have seemed like anything was possible and anyone who had the motivation could be swept along with the progress happening around them.
 
2013-08-21 10:34:36 PM
One problem is that the 90s have only barely ended.  The Boomer generation is just so large that we've only stopped hashing Vietnam over in the last three years.  We have The Simpsons parodying Rush Limbaugh hating on Hillary Clinton and backing Newt Gingrich.   2013... it's 1992 with iPads.

Nixon was on the stage that long (early '50s to 74), but really, exception that proves the rule.
 
2013-08-21 10:36:32 PM

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: Let me simplify this for everyone here. The best decade in history is the decade between whenever you turned six and whenever you turned sixteen.

/For me, that was the Sixties.


So the late 90s and early 00s? I'll take it.
 
2013-08-21 10:40:24 PM

TuteTibiImperes: All in all Clinton's scorecard is pretty dang good.


Ummmm... No.

The destruction of the middle class was all set up under Clinton.

The financial crisis had it's roots in a couple of major blunders under Clinton.

dl.dropboxusercontent.com

Repealing Glass Steagall which allowed for the creation of "too big to jail" banks, and the Clinton administration forcing the head of the Commodities Futures Trading Commission to back down on her attempt to regulate derivatives.

In The Warning, veteran FRONTLINE producer Michael Kirk unearths the hidden history of the nation's worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. At the center of it all he finds Brooksley Born, who speaks for the first time on television about her failed campaign to regulate the secretive, multitrillion-dollar derivatives market whose crash helped trigger the financial collapse in the fall of 2008.

Then, there was Clinton's role in passing the first of the free trade agreements that allowed the filthy rich to move the manufactuing jobs outside the United States without any sort of financial penalty when they brought the finished goods back inside the country.

It's no accident that Detroit has gone from the fourth largest city in the United States and one of the largest manufacturing centers in the world, to a burnt out, abandoned husk.

Clinton while signing the NAFTA bill stated: "...NAFTA means jobs. American jobs, and good-paying American jobs. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't support this agreement."

That was a lie that would come to play an enormous role in the destruction of the middle class.
 
2013-08-21 10:41:08 PM

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: The best decade in history is the decade between whenever you turned six and whenever you turned sixteen.


I have thanked God several times that me and my shy, reclusive, trenchcoat-wearing, Anarchist cookbook reading, hyper-cynical (and, no, entirely harmless) friends all graduated high school in the 3-4 years before Columbine, not the years since.
 
2013-08-21 10:43:32 PM

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: Let me simplify this for everyone here. The best decade in history is the decade between whenever you turned six and whenever you turned sixteen.

/For me, that was the Sixties.


There also seems to be a usual consensus that whatever decade was 20 years ago from the present was bad.
 
2013-08-21 10:43:41 PM

TuteTibiImperes: All in all Clinton's scorecard is pretty dang good.


Depends on how you look at not stepping in front of globalization, really.  Like I said earlier in the thread, he was the perfect steward.  He didn't do much but keep out of the way, but just like meddling that doesn't always produce the best results.  The economic impacts of a president are felt for years after they leave.  Reagan's actions(and Bush Sr) helped Clinton, Clinton's actions hurt Jr, and Jr's actions hurt Obama
 
2013-08-21 10:46:26 PM

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: Let me simplify this for everyone here. The best decade in history is the decade between whenever you turned six and whenever you turned sixteen.

/For me, that was the Sixties.


THIS!

Late 60s to mid 70s.
 
2013-08-21 10:46:26 PM
Was a fun and carefree decade for me.  img.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-21 10:47:51 PM

Lawnchair: I'd jump on the 90s, if for no other reason than the tech boom.

Let me explain this to the youths.  Back in this mystical era around 1996, people actually got paid solid cash for putting things in HTML.  No, no.. I'm not talking about Ruby on Rails, six jQuery frameworks, and 300 CSS templates for a half-hearted handjob, like today.  I'm talking about "A HREF", "BLINK", "TABLE TR TD", resizing GIFs, and uploading them paid actual money.  Things we expect competent first graders to do today.  If you could string together 50 lines of C or Perl, you were a demigod.


You do realize that there's a REASON why there was a tech bubble right?  It was about 20% that and 80% "people conflated users with money".

/And much as I think there's currently a tech bubble, it's not because of that.
 
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2013-08-21 10:48:39 PM
Seems like the louder the butt-hurt; the younger the whiner.
 
2013-08-21 10:49:24 PM

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: Let me simplify this for everyone here. The best decade in history is the decade between whenever you turned six and whenever you turned sixteen.

/For me, that was the Sixties.


Sixties wasn't my decade but it's my favorite.

The 90's had its moments, depending on what you liked whether it was music or "fashion" or movies. Some of the best foods and drinks came from that decade.
 
2013-08-21 10:51:11 PM

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: Let me simplify this for everyone here. The best decade in history is the decade between whenever you turned six and whenever you turned sixteen.

/For me, that was the Sixties.


I agree. 8 to 18 was the 90s here.
 
2013-08-21 10:52:10 PM
I like the decades when there wasn't social media, blogging, texting, tweeting, hash tagging and posting every minute detail of someone's life.
 
2013-08-21 10:52:36 PM
nineties were good, music kinda fell apart towards the end of the decade though
eighties were meh to ok during, but in retrospect they were shiate

/big surprise republicans like the 80s and 50s and hated the 90s
 
2013-08-21 10:52:49 PM
 
2013-08-21 10:53:29 PM

Fallout Boy: The English Major: The Stealth Hippopotamus: / 80 music is the best music

This cannot be stressed enough.

Only because Michael Jackson was at his best. fark if you say otherwise.


No love for the Violent Femmes first album?  Canadian artists, Ferris and Tom Cruise, muscle shirts and turned up collars, Miller Lite and Colt 45, Blues Brothers and Animal House, the Techniques mk1200 turntable/ beat on beat mixing, "The Wall" featuring Bob Geldoff as "Pink".

Michael had "Off the Wall" and "Thriller".  He went batshiat crazy after that.  His follow up to Thriller was weak.  Props go out to Weird Al for filling in the void MJ left in his wake.
 
2013-08-21 10:56:59 PM
www.isteroids.com
 
2013-08-21 10:57:58 PM
I'm going to guess that the decade in which sex was first discovered by an individual  would probably be the same time frame reminisced upon as the best decade ever.
 
2013-08-21 10:58:30 PM

Zeno-25: That is, other than that's when the current brand of Republican BS got its start with Newt and the fanatical hatred of Clinton.


If you can't beat them, hate them.
 
2013-08-21 10:59:43 PM
I loved the 90s- it was the most nostalgic decade for me. (Grant that I was 5 when it ended, but...)
 
2013-08-21 11:04:16 PM

vygramul: '80s, you say?

[userserve-ak.last.fm image 500x500]


That album came out in 1979.  I guess you are referring to the movie, which came out in 82?
 
2013-08-21 11:05:55 PM

Harry_Seldon: The 70's had this...which  seems like a good thing

[www.lifelounge.com.au image 338x500]


I & just about every other teenage girl lived in those during the late 1970s. The only thing I hated about them: having an upside-down "U" on my butt after taking them off at the end of the day.
 
2013-08-21 11:06:32 PM

BullBearMS: TuteTibiImperes: All in all Clinton's scorecard is pretty dang good.

Ummmm... No.

The destruction of the middle class was all set up under Clinton.

The financial crisis had it's roots in a couple of major blunders under Clinton.

[dl.dropboxusercontent.com image 415x249]

Repealing Glass Steagall which allowed for the creation of "too big to jail" banks, and the Clinton administration forcing the head of the Commodities Futures Trading Commission to back down on her attempt to regulate derivatives.

In The Warning, veteran FRONTLINE producer Michael Kirk unearths the hidden history of the nation's worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. At the center of it all he finds Brooksley Born, who speaks for the first time on television about her failed campaign to regulate the secretive, multitrillion-dollar derivatives market whose crash helped trigger the financial collapse in the fall of 2008.

Then, there was Clinton's role in passing the first of the free trade agreements that allowed the filthy rich to move the manufactuing jobs outside the United States without any sort of financial penalty when they brought the finished goods back inside the country.

It's no accident that Detroit has gone from the fourth largest city in the United States and one of the largest manufacturing centers in the world, to a burnt out, abandoned husk.

Clinton while signing the NAFTA bill stated: "...NAFTA means jobs. American jobs, and good-paying American jobs. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't support this agreement."

That was a lie that would come to play an enormous role in the destruction of the middle class.


It sounds like you want strong financial regulation returned regarding Glass Steagall, and punishment for the trend of off sourcing caused by NAFTA. I'm all about your newspaper, sign me up!

Could you eviscerate the Bush Administration for the Patriot Act? XXXOOO
 
2013-08-21 11:06:38 PM
The 90s are an under-rated decade overall. I was born in 84 -- so I got to appreciate a little bit of the 80s, but I was a full-blown 90s kid. That transition period has to be one of the greatest times to be a kid. Entertainment was top notch -- from the great cartoons, to a few classic sitcoms and even the advent of modern dramatic television with The Sopranos. Throw in a bunch of classic early 90s films and probably the best thing to happen to music since the mid 70's (yes, I'm talking about grunge) and there's tons of great stuff to go around.  Home computers were around before the 90s, but it wasn't until AOL started making internet accessible to the masses that it really started taking off. It was a time of relative peace as far as wars go and there was no real major political upheaval and I think for the most part Americans were happy with life. All that pretty much ended with Columbine -- to me that was the start of our country and almost the rest of the world getting farked in the head. About 2 years later we have 9/11 and from that day forth the world was forever changed.

/oh yeah, the 90s had some of the coolest farking toys ever. Nerf bow & arrow, super soakers (the real ones!) and teenage mutant ninja turtles. Who didn't gobble that shiat up?
 
2013-08-21 11:09:55 PM

BullBearMS: TuteTibiImperes: All in all Clinton's scorecard is pretty dang good.

Ummmm... No.

The destruction of the middle class was all set up under Clinton.

The financial crisis had it's roots in a couple of major blunders under Clinton.

[dl.dropboxusercontent.com image 415x249]

Repealing Glass Steagall which allowed for the creation of "too big to jail" banks, and the Clinton administration forcing the head of the Commodities Futures Trading Commission to back down on her attempt to regulate derivatives.

In The Warning, veteran FRONTLINE producer Michael Kirk unearths the hidden history of the nation's worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. At the center of it all he finds Brooksley Born, who speaks for the first time on television about her failed campaign to regulate the secretive, multitrillion-dollar derivatives market whose crash helped trigger the financial collapse in the fall of 2008.

Then, there was Clinton's role in passing the first of the free trade agreements that allowed the filthy rich to move the manufactuing jobs outside the United States without any sort of financial penalty when they brought the finished goods back inside the country.

It's no accident that Detroit has gone from the fourth largest city in the United States and one of the largest manufacturing centers in the world, to a burnt out, abandoned husk.

Clinton while signing the NAFTA bill stated: "...NAFTA means jobs. American jobs, and good-paying American jobs. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't support this agreement."

That was a lie that would come to play an enormous role in the destruction of the middle class.


NAFTA isn't the demon of job outsourcing.  China is the real problem, and our imports from China more that doubled under Bush Jr.  Detroit's decline can be traced to a number of reasons, but we still build more care in the US that we do in Mexico, the foreign companies have just set up plants in southern right-to-get-screwed states instead of Detroit to avoid paying the wages the unions (rightfully) demand.

While Clinton may have deregulated, it was Bush Jr. that really allowed the system to be abused, and caused the collapse.

All I know is that the economy was awesome under Clinton, it collapsed during  Bush Jr.'s term, but it's coming back under Obama.
 
2013-08-21 11:09:58 PM
static.tvtropes.org
 
2013-08-21 11:10:23 PM

bhcompy: TuteTibiImperes: All in all Clinton's scorecard is pretty dang good.

Depends on how you look at not stepping in front of globalization, really.  Like I said earlier in the thread, he was the perfect steward.  He didn't do much but keep out of the way, but just like meddling that doesn't always produce the best results.  The economic impacts of a president are felt for years after they leave.  Reagan's actions(and Bush Sr) helped Clinton, Clinton's actions hurt Jr, and Jr's actions hurt Obama


Globalization was a freight train that stepping in front of wouldn't have helped too much.  Not that you'd expect much 'stepping' from Third Way Clinton or his Board of Directors at Walmart wife.  We were able to keep up our classical Hamiltonian protectionism up through the 1960s.  The third world was barely out of colonial bondage. Europe was wrecked. The container ship (and later fibre-optic cable) wasn't a thing.  And the US had everything it needed, really.  Enough food, enough water, enough labor, and, importantly, enough energy. Nothing we imported pre-60s (tea or bananas) was nearly so core to the economy. Once cheap Texas crude starting dwindling around 1970, we, for the first time,  had to trade. Globalization starts from that point.
 
2013-08-21 11:19:33 PM

TuteTibiImperes: NAFTA isn't the demon of job outsourcing.


I've said for a while... NAFTA could have been one thing.  Look, Mexico's problems are our problems. Geography makes it so.  If we had stuck with NAFTA as a decades-long project to raise living standards in Mexico through free trade and eventual evening out of things like workers' rights and social safety net? That could have been huge. And possible.

Instead, after five years of maquiladoras, Mexicans wanted the next rung on the ladder up. The big companies got greedy. They said, "hey this cheap labor is great... how about we move to China where the wages are even lower and the officials are even more bribeable?"

A rising tide may lift all boats.  But you need one hell of a tide to raise 2.5 billion boats in China and India.  It become less 'normalizing to the US standard of living' and more 'normalizing to the Chinese standard of living'.
 
2013-08-21 11:24:05 PM
The 80s rocked for me. The 90s aren't far enough in the past to be missed yet.
 
2013-08-21 11:26:07 PM

djkutch: Could you eviscerate the Bush Administration for the Patriot Act? XXXOOO


It's been done.

dl.dropboxusercontent.com
 
2013-08-21 11:28:09 PM
Grunge Music
Ska
Electronic Raves
Even Big Band music had a go at in the 90s.

vs

Hair Bands.
 
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