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2013-08-21 09:32:04 PM
The mother, Maria Vasquez, was outraged and says her daughter suffers from attention deficit hyperactivity disorder

I thought that parents that did not want to do their jobs blamed it on autism now when did add go back to being an excuse for not teaching your kids any discipline?
 
2013-08-21 09:32:35 PM
If the kid has honest add and was disturbing everyone with needless trips to sharpen a pencil...

Still not a good reason to tape her down.
 
2013-08-21 09:33:57 PM

cardex: The mother, Maria Vasquez, was outraged and says her daughter suffers from attention deficit hyperactivity disorder

I thought that parents that did not want to do their jobs blamed it on autism now when did add go back to being an excuse for not teaching your kids any discipline?


Discipline was a thing that I only finally achieved after highschool, at a ruinous expense.
 
2013-08-21 09:40:26 PM
That's some traumatic stuff; being taped to a chair. It will probably scar the little bastard for life! (Sarcasm)
 
2013-08-21 09:42:28 PM

cardex: The mother, Maria Vasquez, was outraged and says her daughter suffers from attention deficit hyperactivity disorder

I thought that parents that did not want to do their jobs blamed it on autism now when did add go back to being an excuse for not teaching your kids any discipline?


Blame the criminals who work at Children Services. Until those criminals are forcibly removed, you have no right to raise your kid properly AKA discipline..
 
2013-08-21 09:44:43 PM
what if the tape is what it takes to fix the adhd ???
 
2013-08-21 09:45:18 PM
Shannara:

Blame the criminals who work at Children Services. Until those criminals are forcibly removed, you have no right to raise your kid properly AKA discipline..

This is quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read. Congrats.
 
2013-08-21 09:49:23 PM

WTP 2: what if the tape is what it takes to fix the adhd ???


I would go with a cattle prod better chance of long term fix
 
2013-08-21 09:49:30 PM

TinyFist: Shannara:

Blame the criminals who work at Children Services. Until those criminals are forcibly removed, you have no right to raise your kid properly AKA discipline..

This is quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read. Congrats.


I see you don't know anything about America.
 
2013-08-21 09:52:23 PM

Shannara: I see you don't know anything about America.


Nope. Never been. Read about it once, some required reading in Academy (I think you call it "middle school" there, if I recall correctly.)

Clue me in, I'm curious.
 
2013-08-21 09:52:35 PM
Wow.  I thought this entire episode was metaphors.   Some real person was actually sharpening a real pencil?
 
2013-08-21 09:52:48 PM
I fail to see the problem with this, the kid isn't harmed, and public humiliation is a hell of a behavioral adjuster for some kids. I remember kids being duct taped to chairs for this exact same thing back in my day, early 80's. I even remember a kid having his mouth taped shut and forced to sit on a tall stool in the corner and made to wear a goofy paper hat that read "Motormouth" on it. I don't remember any parent raising a ruckus about it.

/adjusts onion in belt
 
2013-08-21 09:57:13 PM
While the teacher was way out of line here, it sounds to me like the mom hasn't been a very good parent either. ADHD is no excuse. Had a few kids in my grade with ADD/ADHD while growing up, only one was disruptive. He was also the one with a shiatty set of parents. It's usually not the learning disorder that makes the kids evil hellspawn, it's the idiot parents.
 
2013-08-21 09:58:02 PM
Come on fellow teachers; we are making jokes about the use of duct tape when new teachers ask about discipline. You do not place tape on a child under any circumstances. Do not tape them to a desk. Do not tape mouths shut. Do not give tape which you then allow students to place on themselves. There are numerous stories about fallout from this, and this shows an inability to maintain classroom discipline both proactively and reactively.
 
2013-08-21 09:59:19 PM

Poowaddins: I fail to see the problem with this, the kid isn't harmed, and public humiliation is a hell of a behavioral adjuster for some kids. I remember kids being duct taped to chairs for this exact same thing back in my day, early 80's. I even remember a kid having his mouth taped shut and forced to sit on a tall stool in the corner and made to wear a goofy paper hat that read "Motormouth" on it. I don't remember any parent raising a ruckus about it.

/adjusts onion in belt


50 bucks says each of the kids you know ended with bright red butts over it not the parents crying to the news.
 
2013-08-21 10:02:33 PM
I think we can all agree that kids shouldn't be so unruly by the time they get to the teacher. But maybe the schools need to do a better job of teaching teachers how to handle such children.
 
2013-08-21 10:08:03 PM
A few thoughts.  Musings, if you will.  Sadly, no answers.

First, was the student being genuinely disruptive?  Or is the teacher just going plain overboard?  How many times did the student get up to sharpen her pencil?  Was this just during one class day/session or over a longer period of time?  Were there multiple trips during lecture time, classwork time, or exam time?

Second, supposing the student was disrupting the class: Did the teacher do anything that might suggest to the student that the behavior was not acceptable?  Or did the tape come as a total shock?  If after a few sharpener trips, the teacher asked "Is everything ok?" or "I am sure your pencil is sharp enough for the rest of the class, right?" or something along those lines.

Third, supposing the issue is not ADHD but rather OCD: if the student does have OCD maintaining a perfectly sharpened pencil point could be an outward symptom.  Or, it could be that the child does have ADD (assuming a prior Fark article concerning the origins of ADHD is correct) and sharpening the pencil was a means of getting up and moving about, could there be another solution? (ie, sit student in the back of class so standing up would not be a distraction)

So very many questions and no proper answers.
 
2013-08-21 10:15:17 PM
we need more tape in school
i went to a good old catholic school...when one of the "add" kids acted up like tapping a pencil the brother usually would walk around and backhand the kid...not one kid would ask "what for" he knew and learned real fast what not to do
i will take the tape anyday
 
2013-08-21 10:16:39 PM
Amateurs.

I got tied to a chair by my 4th grade teacher for some nonsense.

Teacher got in zero trouble over it. Mom and Dad pulled me out of that school at the end of the year.
 
2013-08-21 10:21:07 PM
Wait a sec.

"pending an internal investigation"
"if the claim is substantiated"


Is the entire basis for the teacher being removed from the classroom the word of this girl?  This situation is going to ruin that teacher's reputation, regardless of whether or not she actually tied the girl to the chair.  That school better have more to go on than the girl telling her mother (and subsequent hysterics from said mother.)
 
2013-08-21 10:29:44 PM
"The mother, Maria Vasquez, was outraged and says her daughter suffers from attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. The family reported the incident to Tucson police, which also is looking into it.

"She likes to be happy and they tied her to a chair, regardless of it it was a little tape, she got tied to a chair where she couldn't move and that's not right, that's not right," said Vasquez."


Her daughter doesn't suffer from sh*t; everyone AROUND her daughter suffers from restless snowflake syndrome...
 
2013-08-21 10:35:21 PM

Poowaddins: public humiliation is a hell of a behavioral adjuster for some kids


So is being beating within an inch of your life. That doesn't mean we should do it.

Would you allow your boss or the cops to tape you to your desk chair when they decided you were misbehaving? If not, why is the same situation acceptable for children?
 
2013-08-21 10:38:20 PM
Has this teacher ever heard of a stun gun?
 
2013-08-21 10:39:20 PM

Vangor: this shows an inability to maintain classroom discipline both proactively and reactively


While I agree, I'm not sure that "maintain classroom discipline" is a reasonable goal in the first place, at least not as commonly understood.

Ford used to "maintain factory floor discipline" by forbidding their workers from talking or sitting while on the clock. Eventually unions pushed back and now such practices are seen as not only unnecessarily authoritarian, but actually counterproductive. Why do we expect 8-year-olds to do things that adults find too burdensome?

/ Of course, we could just stop sending our children to factories in the first place
 
2013-08-21 10:48:04 PM
Ahh, Bill Colbert's English class, 12th grade, 1984, Friday vocabulary tests.  He'd go to the teacher's lounge, leaving the answers in plain view of the pencil sharpener, turn on the intercom, listen in and laugh his ass off at all the pencil sharpening.  Good times.
 
2013-08-21 10:56:52 PM
I guess a common-sense approach would be too much to ask for, like giving the kid three or four pencils to sharpen at the beginning of the day.
 
2013-08-21 11:00:11 PM
cardex:  50 bucks says each of the kids you know ended with bright red butts over it not the parents crying to the news.

You would be correct. I knew if I ever got in trouble at school what the teacher/principal did as punishment would pale in comparison to what I would get when I got home.
 
2013-08-21 11:01:39 PM

LoneVVolf: "The mother, Maria Vasquez, was outraged and says her daughter suffers from attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. The family reported the incident to Tucson police, which also is looking into it.

"She likes to be happy and they tied her to a chair, regardless of it it was a little tape, she got tied to a chair where she couldn't move and that's not right, that's not right," said Vasquez."

Her daughter doesn't suffer from sh*t; everyone AROUND her daughter suffers from restless snowflake syndrome...


THAT. I find people constantly getting up to be very disruptive when everyone else is working silently/quietly. For someone to finally snap and tape the kid to a chair, I'm going out on a limb and guessing speshul snowflake was getting up every five minutes or so.

/Don't care how special or broken you are, normal people have rights too
 
2013-08-21 11:08:55 PM
I believe that teacher should be held down, taped and then hung until dead.  Then the school district sued into either oblivion or until all of the administrators submit themselves to summary execution by the same rope as the teacher.  The next batch of administrators will make sure this never happens again.
 
2013-08-21 11:12:50 PM

TinyFist: Shannara: I see you don't know anything about America.

Nope. Never been. Read about it once, some required reading in Academy (I think you call it "middle school" there, if I recall correctly.)

Clue me in, I'm curious.


Child Protective Services are super nazis that will descend upon your home and destroy your life over a single anonymous phone call by a spiteful person claiming your child is abused in some way. You can no longer spank your child or discipline them in any physical way in public without running the risk of them being called and your kids taken away. They claim doing so is a last resort, but considering the millions of horror stories out there combined with just how horribly our government services work a good bit of the time...yea. Here's a couple examples of just how batshiat these people are:

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/crime/alexandria-hill-2-dies- af ter-being-placed-abusive-foster-homes-video
(Here's the Fark thread: http://www.fark.com/comments/7875932/Alexandria-Hill-2-was-removed-fr o m-her-parents-home-last-November-because-they-smoked-pot-while-she-was -asleep-Alexandria-was-shipped-off-to-two-abusive-foster-homes-died-at -hands-of-her-2nd-foster-mom-who-is-now-charged-with-murder )

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/03/19/dad-this-picture-of-my-so n- holding-a-gun-triggered-a-visit-from-nj-police-family-services/
 
2013-08-21 11:22:48 PM

Smeggy Smurf: I believe that teacher should be held down, taped and then hung until dead.  Then the school district sued into either oblivion or until all of the administrators submit themselves to summary execution by the same rope as the teacher.  The next batch of administrators will make sure this never happens again.


0/10
 
2013-08-21 11:27:20 PM
Vector R:

Not reading because Godwinned. Actually, Super-Godwinned, It looks like you cited sources, though. So thumbs up for that. Not gonna read them, though, just because you're obviously also an idiot.

Come back  in 8 hours and try again without the childish hyperbole. Dolt.
 
2013-08-21 11:35:54 PM
To push a teacher to tape a student down, makes you think the student was habitually disruptive.  In all likeliness, the child is a discipline problem in the classroom.  That being acknowledged, taping a student down is not an appropriate response.  Part of being a teacher is understanding how to deal with disruptive students - This teacher needs some time away from the classroom.
 
2013-08-21 11:50:17 PM
It was my understanding (and I have a lot of teachers in the family) that for serious discipline problems the principal is to be called because that is his/her job. I know that the teachers want to deal with most issues themselves so that they maintain some level of respect and reward but when it comes to *punishing* students- I feel like the line is pretty clear that that is the principal's job.

Are there any teachers on fark??

(And frankly, if you really think that punishments that wouldn't be okay for adults would be appropriate for children you are wrong. When you break it down people think they can punish children in cruel ways because children basically can't fight back. It isn't the way you should treat other people and it isn't the right way to deal with conflict.)
 
2013-08-22 02:55:04 AM
OK, long time (14 years) substitute teacher here.

One of the cute tricks middle school kids try to pull is the "I've got to sharpen my pencil." scam, especially if the classroom has an electric pencil sharpener.

There is always one or two little farktards who will pull this shiat, just to avoid working and to disrupt the class.  Many times, it is with a perfectly sharpened pencil that I've given them when they whine about not having a pencil with which to do the day's assignment.  They will purposely break off the tip, repeatedly if you let them and then proceed to disrupt the whole class by going up to the electric pencil sharpener and grinding that sucker down to a nub and then whining for another one.

I've learned to just boot their sorry asses out, down to the office at the first sign of this.  Yeah, "Mean Mr. S."  Tough shiat.  Shape up or GTFO.
 
2013-08-22 05:06:03 AM

Aulus: OK, long time (14 years) substitute teacher here.

One of the cute tricks middle school kids try to pull is the "I've got to sharpen my pencil." scam, especially if the classroom has an electric pencil sharpener.

There is always one or two little farktards who will pull this shiat, just to avoid working and to disrupt the class.  Many times, it is with a perfectly sharpened pencil that I've given them when they whine about not having a pencil with which to do the day's assignment.  They will purposely break off the tip, repeatedly if you let them and then proceed to disrupt the whole class by going up to the electric pencil sharpener and grinding that sucker down to a nub and then whining for another one.

I've learned to just boot their sorry asses out, down to the office at the first sign of this.  Yeah, "Mean Mr. S."  Tough shiat.  Shape up or GTFO.


I pretty much came here to say this.
 
2013-08-22 07:13:56 AM

Aulus: OK, long time (14 years) substitute teacher here.

One of the cute tricks middle school kids try to pull is the "I've got to sharpen my pencil." scam, especially if the classroom has an electric pencil sharpener.


It's more that they are bored out of their minds than trying to disturb the class. Anyone who expects a 12-year-old to sit still in an uncomfortable desk for 45 minutes is a moron.

/Yes, I know TFA was a bout a second grader.
//Taught middle school for 12 years.
 
2013-08-22 08:13:45 AM
I'm ok with this.  I was in more than one class in 1st - 8th where groups of assclowns would constantly disrupt class during tests by taking turns violently sharpening pencils non-stop through the whole class.
 
2013-08-22 10:08:24 AM

Mr.Poops: Smeggy Smurf: I believe that teacher should be held down, taped and then hung until dead.  Then the school district sued into either oblivion or until all of the administrators submit themselves to summary execution by the same rope as the teacher.  The next batch of administrators will make sure this never happens again.

0/10


You think that's trolling?  Boy you haven't been paying attention for the past couple of years.
 
2013-08-22 10:49:49 AM
 
2013-08-22 10:54:20 AM

Poowaddins: cardex:  50 bucks says each of the kids you know ended with bright red butts over it not the parents crying to the news.

You would be correct. I knew if I ever got in trouble at school what the teacher/principal did as punishment would pale in comparison to what I would get when I got home.


So you were an abused child.

And now you're using your abuse to attempt to justify the abuse of other children.  You REALLY need to get help, you're both a victim and a danger to the community.
 
2013-08-22 12:04:52 PM
send the kid to the principal's office ever occur to this overwrought teacher?

/obviously dnrtfa
 
2013-08-22 02:31:04 PM

TinyFist: Vector R:

Not reading because Godwinned. Actually, Super-Godwinned, It looks like you cited sources, though. So thumbs up for that. Not gonna read them, though, just because you're obviously also an idiot.

Come back  in 8 hours and try again without the childish hyperbole. Dolt.


So you ask for info, get it, then act like a butthole. I'd say come back in eight hours, but then you'll just be hung over. I hate mean drunks.

/Love the ignore list though
 
2013-08-22 06:30:56 PM
the kid was probably seeing how far they can push the teacher, they do that. and Tape is harmless, its the equivalent of standing in the corner. The only outrage is backlash against the teacher
/drtfa
 
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