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2013-08-22 10:18:08 AM

Brosephus: pedobearapproved: Brosephus: OnlyM3: edmo

The South hasn't changed.
Yeah, it's all the south's fault.
* nclr (National Council of "The Race")
* naacp (National Association for the Advancement of Colored People)
* bet (Black Entertainment Awards)
* cbc (Congressional Black Caucus)
* aapc (African American Planning Commission)
* naba (National Association of Black Accountants)
* AASB (African American Speaker Bureau)
* bca ( Black Culinarians Alliance)
* Miss Black USA
* bwsma (Black Wall Street Merchants Association)

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. "

Keep the dream alive.

I guess you fail to realize that the NAACP was founded by Whites, huh?  BET is actually Black Entertainment Television which is owned by Viacom and a sister station of MTV now.  Almost every other organization you list came to fruition because the general associations would not allow minority members to join their groups.  So, using the "free-market" ideals that are espoused and adored by American conservatives, Blacks and others simply started their own organizations to fulfill a demand that was not being met by White groups.

If you want to see those types of organizations disappear, then all you have to do is meet the demand before a "Black" group forms to meet it for you.

I think the point is less that BET is entertaining a targeted demographic with a shared cultural background and more that if you used "Miss White USA" and only white people are allowed to participate it's gonna be a problem. And it's perpetuating the problem as much as helping it.

And I think you missed my point completely.  The Miss USA pageant historically WAS the "Miss White USA" as Blacks were not allowed to compete.  Hence the formation of the Black Miss USA pageant to give Black women an outlet to compete.  It's the same with most every other item that was listed there with the exception of the NAACP.  Look at the history of those organizations and how long they've been in existence.  They didn't just pop up when a Black man was elected president.  These organizations have been around for ages.  Most people didn't know of their existence until others started biatching about them being in existence.

It's the same as the argument about Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCU).  They were started after the Civil War to educate the newly freed slaves.  They have historically provided a safe sanctuary for higher education when Blacks were forbidden to enroll in predominately White universities.  If you don't want a "Black" institution to form and/or thrive, then don't allow the opportunity for one to exist.  This country is farther along in race relations than it was decades ago when these groups were founded.  Most will probably end up obsolete in another 50-100 years, but it will take a long time to erase the 200+ years of racial animosity built up in this country.  That amount of history can not be reversed in 2-3 decades.


Because of the history!!!1!

I just love that "argument" -- somebody who died before I was born who lived somewhere I've never been did something bad (or maybe just something that's now unpopular) to someone else, who is also dead, means that you and your buddies now get to tell me what I can and can't do.

"History" is just another word for collective guilt and collective punishment.
 
2013-08-22 10:31:26 AM

phrawgh: thenumber5: way from the North East Coast, and West coast, and upper mid west - you're in the South.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 375x500]

Guess what else it used to say.


"You'll like Clinton"
 
2013-08-22 10:37:44 AM
Phinn:

Because of the history!!!1!

I just love that "argument" -- somebody who died before I was born who lived somewhere I've never been did something bad (or maybe just something that's now unpopular) to someone else, who is also dead, means that you and your buddies now get to tell me what I can and can't do.

"History" is just another word for collective guilt and collective punishment.


I never said that anybody gets to tell you what you can or cannot do.  If you can show where I said so, please feel free to show your proof.  My point is that you can't get mad at the creation of organizations when they were created by free-market principles.  Had those people before you were born included Blacks in their professional organizations back then, you wouldn't have these groups today.

If you want to join any of those groups, you can do so at any time.  I am a member of the Prince Hall Affiliated Masonic organization.  It was founded by Blacks in the United States because of the exclusion of Blacks to existing Masonic lodges.  This group has been around since the founding of this country, yet there is no exclusivity for Black membership.  There are Whites and others who belong to this organization even though it was originally founded for Blacks.  There are White members of traditionally Black fraternities and sororities as there is no exclusive requirement to be Black.

People who think as you do completely miss the entire point of the origins of these groups.  They were founded, sometimes by White people, because the mainstream organizations refused Black membership.  Now that these organizations have their own histories and traditions, they are not simply going to disappear just because you want them to.  Unlike country clubs, these private organizations do not discriminate on membership applicants.  You and I cannot change the past.  We can only use the present to help shape the future.
 
2013-08-22 10:42:25 AM

Brosephus: Tricky Chicken: As a white male, there are thousands of organizations that I am precluded from joining. Solely because of my race and/or gender.

However, any person that is a member of one of the organizations that I am precluded from joining, may also join any organization that I am allowed to join.

Example: A white male engineer may join the American Society of Mechanical Engineers, but discouraged from joining the National Society of Black Engineers.
A black male engineer may join both.

Being discouraged from joining is NOT the same thing as being denied from joining.

http://www.nsbe.org/Aboutus.aspx

"No person shall be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination in any NSBE program or activity available on the basis of race, color, sex, religion, creed, political belief, age, national origin, linguistic and language difference, sexual orientation, socio-economic status, height, weight, marital or familial status, or disability. "

That comes directly from their website.  That's just as big a myth as the one that White's can't attend HBCUs.


And I'm sure that a white engineer would never be made to feel uncomfortable at meetings.  The policies do not need to be exclusionary.  The name of the organization itself is exclusionary.  The letterhead itself clearly implies that this is an organization of by and for black engineers. The non-exclusion statement from the website is purely there for leagal coverage.  Any white members they may have are just sitting at the Wolworths lunch counter not getting served.
 
2013-08-22 11:06:56 AM

OnlyM3: edmo

The South hasn't changed.
Yeah, it's all the south's fault.
* nclr (National Council of "The Race")
* naacp (National Association for the Advancement of Colored People)
* bet (Black Entertainment Awards)
* cbc (Congressional Black Caucus)
* aapc (African American Planning Commission)
* naba (National Association of Black Accountants)
* AASB (African American Speaker Bureau)
* bca ( Black Culinarians Alliance)
* Miss Black USA
* bwsma (Black Wall Street Merchants Association)

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. "

Keep the dream alive.


If you're a minority, you tend to cling to pride to stay sane. Yeah, it looks weird and elitist. No, it's really, really not.

/You might want to try reading some X-Men or another fictional work discussing bigotry, they tend to make it easier to put yourself in a minority's shoes for a while, and it makes more sense.
//I highly doubt I can explain the effects of prejudice very concisely without coffee.
 
2013-08-22 11:19:11 AM
I highly doubt I can explain the effects of prejudice very concisely without coffee.

fixed
 
2013-08-22 11:21:33 AM

Lsherm: edmo: The South hasn't changed.

I'm not sure the results would be any different if you allowed parents from any school district in the country to make the same choice.


The difference being that whoever suggested the program offering this choice in a state like, say, Massachusetts or California, would be summarily fired and likely shunned.
 
2013-08-22 11:42:32 AM

phrawgh: Guess what else it used to say.


"Arbeit Macht Frei"?
 
2013-08-22 11:43:19 AM
If you let ANY parents decide who their children will be classmates with, do you get: a) diversity in that they let their kids associate with loud poor unruly future thugs b) some diversity diversity in that they let their kids associate with loud poor unruly future thugs , or c) the same thing those fancy perfect Northern parents would choose if they knew wtf they were talking about?
 
2013-08-22 11:51:56 AM

mike_d85: lewismarktwo: Music, food and clothes are cultural not racial.  Hating someone for being too brown or not brown enough is learned.

I honestly believe NOT hating someone for being too brown or not brown enough is learned.  I am pretty sure people identify with what they recognize as similar to themselves, regardless of what that factor is.  I think it it is the problem faced by internationally adopted children into families of different races.  They grow up knowing they're adoped and can't identify with the world around them and often require therapy.


This is bullshiat.  You don't have kids do you?

Put a group of mix raced 4 year olds in a room full of toys.  The only primary segragation you'll see is male/female.  Later, when you ask them, they won't understand what you are talking about.

Kids really are color blind.

Now, take a kid from a different part of the world, that "talks funny" compared to your baseline, and that will be enough for them to segregate if there are other cliques to be formed.

Racism is learned.  Cultural differentiation is inherent.
 
2013-08-22 11:52:49 AM
ParagonComplex: Dudes, it's Alabama. A LA BA MA. It is not a paragon of racial tolerance. What did you expect? It is the most redneck state in the nation. Alabama and Georgia have knockdown drag-out fights over who is the most redneck and racist. This is not at all surprising.

You're a moron.  Since I'm sure you're referring to white-black relations, I'll point you to the following two keyed maps:

http://www.indexmundi.com/facts/united-states/quick-facts/all-states /b lack-population-percentage#map

http://www.indexmundi.com/facts/united-states/quick-facts/all-states /b lack-owned-firms-percent#map

GA's rate of black owned firms relative to black population is at least in line with the rest of the country.  Anecdotally, I can tell you as someone that meets with senior executives in firms all over the country, that there is a hell of a lot more black executives in GA than any other place I've been.
 
2013-08-22 12:03:28 PM
Zimmerman makes a better teacher.  Trayvon just lays there looking stupid, and he smells.


 
2013-08-22 12:15:51 PM

Brosephus: I never said that anybody gets to tell you what you can or cannot do. If you can show where I said so, please feel free to show your proof. My point is that you can't get mad at the creation of organizations when they were created by free-market principles. Had those people before you were born included Blacks in their professional organizations back then, you wouldn't have these groups today.

If you want to join any of those groups, you can do so at any time. I am a member of the Prince Hall Affiliated Masonic organization. It was founded by Blacks in the United States because of the exclusion of Blacks to existing Masonic lodges. This group has been around since the founding of this country, yet there is no exclusivity for Black membership. There are Whites and others who belong to this organization even though it was originally founded for Blacks. There are White members of traditionally Black fraternities and sororities as there is no exclusive requirement to be Black.

People who think as you do completely miss the entire point of the origins of these groups. They were founded, sometimes by White people, because the mainstream organizations refused Black membership. Now that these organizations have their own histories and traditions, they are not simply going to disappear just because you want them to. Unlike country clubs, these private organizations do not discriminate on membership applicants. You and I cannot change the past. We can only use the present to help shape the future.



I have no problem whatsoever with private clubs, of all kinds, anywhere.  That's what the freedom of association is all about -- whether it's something as formal membership in clubs or organizations, or as informal as which teacher's classroom you choose to sit in.

The natural consequence of the freedom to associate is also the freedom to disassociate.  People are free to exclude anyone at any time.

The problem is when the government steps in to force people to either exclude (forced segregation) or to include (forced integration).  The problem is not the level of racial diversity in these groups (or in any other voluntary relationship).  The real problem is the use of force to change people's associations, which is always wrong, even though the predominant view (at the present moment) is that it's justified when it comes to race.
 
2013-08-22 12:16:51 PM
I lived in a county in missouri that is as of this year now 65% black ... I think.  People ask me all the time how I survived.  I get a kick.
 
2013-08-22 12:22:00 PM

Phinn: I have no problem whatsoever with private clubs, of all kinds, anywhere.  That's what the freedom of association is all about -- whether it's something as formal membership in clubs or organizations, or as informal as which teacher's classroom you choose to sit in.
The natural consequence of the freedom to associate is also the freedom to disassociate.  People are free to exclude anyone at any time.
The problem is when the government steps in to force people to either exclude (forced segregation) or to include (forced integration).  The problem is not the level of racial diversity in these groups (or in any other voluntary relationship).  The real problem is the use of force to change people's associations, which is always wrong, even though the predominant view (at the present moment) is that it's justified when it comes to race.


I see: Public, paid-for-with-taxes schools exist to further your prejudices.
I haven't seen you in any "intelligent design" threads.
Care to share any thoughts on that with the rest of us?
 
2013-08-22 12:27:50 PM

phrawgh: thenumber5: way from the North East Coast, and West coast, and upper mid west - you're in the South.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 375x500]

Guess what else it used to say.


"Come for your court date, stay for the pie?"
 
2013-08-22 12:30:22 PM

ThighsofGlory: phrawgh: thenumber5: way from the North East Coast, and West coast, and upper mid west - you're in the South.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 375x500]

Guess what else it used to say.

"Come for your court date, stay for the pie?"


Wait a sec. Wasn't that one of the more infamous "don't let the sun set" Klan towns?
*googles*
Yes. Yes, it was.
 
2013-08-22 12:50:14 PM

Tricky Chicken: Brosephus: Tricky Chicken: As a white male, there are thousands of organizations that I am precluded from joining. Solely because of my race and/or gender.

However, any person that is a member of one of the organizations that I am precluded from joining, may also join any organization that I am allowed to join.

Example: A white male engineer may join the American Society of Mechanical Engineers, but discouraged from joining the National Society of Black Engineers.
A black male engineer may join both.

Being discouraged from joining is NOT the same thing as being denied from joining.

http://www.nsbe.org/Aboutus.aspx

"No person shall be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination in any NSBE program or activity available on the basis of race, color, sex, religion, creed, political belief, age, national origin, linguistic and language difference, sexual orientation, socio-economic status, height, weight, marital or familial status, or disability. "

That comes directly from their website.  That's just as big a myth as the one that White's can't attend HBCUs.

And I'm sure that a white engineer would never be made to feel uncomfortable at meetings.  The policies do not need to be exclusionary.  The name of the organization itself is exclusionary.  The letterhead itself clearly implies that this is an organization of by and for black engineers. The non-exclusion statement from the website is purely there for leagal coverage.  Any white members they may have are just sitting at the Wolworths lunch counter not getting served.


The name of the organization is just that, the name.  If you're spooked by the name before you even realize what the organization is all about, then there is no help for you.  You do nothing more than feed into the mass bigotry hysteria in this country.  There is indeed bigotry expressed in the Black community, but when you ASSUME it before it rears its head, you expose your bigotry more than you'll ever know.  I'd suggest you talk with White members of "Black" organizations before you make such sweeping generalizations.
 
2013-08-22 12:51:55 PM

Lsherm: Doesn't matter.  The south is still racist, but so is the north.  Pretending otherwise is just delusional.


It's one thing to point out that racism is everywhere -- and if that's all you're trying to do, then fine -- but I hope that you aren't trying to imply that the degree and overtness of the racism is anywhere near equivalency.

If that's your intent, you can go ahead and pull the other one. This leg's quite long enough, thanks.
 
2013-08-22 12:58:43 PM

Phinn: I have no problem whatsoever with private clubs, of all kinds, anywhere.  That's what the freedom of association is all about -- whether it's something as formal membership in clubs or organizations, or as informal as which teacher's classroom you choose to sit in.

The natural consequence of the freedom to associate is also the freedom to disassociate.  People are free to exclude anyone at any time.


The problem is when the government steps in to force people to either exclude (forced segregation) or to include (forced integration).  The problem is not the level of racial diversity in these groups (or in any other voluntary relationship).  The real problem is the use of force to change people's associations, which is always wrong, even though the predominant view (at the present moment) is that it's justified when it comes to race.

And where did the government step in and create the National Association of Black Engineers?  BET?  The Black Miss USA pageant?  The NAACP?  Those organizations were listed in the original rant.  Those organizations are all PRIVATE groups, not government associated groups.  The only one that resembles a government run group is the CBC.

By your own admission, you don't have a problem with these groups as much as you have with the history of why these groups came into existence.  I stick with my original point that I stated to you and everyone else who read it.  When you purposefully exclude a group from your organization, don't get angry when someone starts a parallel organization catering to the very group you choose to exclude.  If you don't want minorities to join your country club, don't get mad when minorities start a country club that caters exclusively to them.  That has nothing to do with anything being forced by the government.

The things that are forced by the government are the things that are government controlled, operated, and/or funded.  The government cannot discriminate by law, even if that means they have to force integration to avoid the appearance of discrimination.
 
2013-08-22 01:14:15 PM

Lsherm: Doesn't matter.  The south is still racist, but so is the north.  Pretending otherwise is just delusional.

Whites in the north began moving out of cities once forced integration via busing took hold.  They self-segregated.  So my point stands:  I don't think the results would be any different if you allowed parents in any school district in the country to make the same choice.


I don't care if people in the North are racist. I hold my fellow white Southerns to a much higher bar to achieve. And, pointing out that the North has racists too or African-American organizations have "black" in their titles are all whining little kids' excuses, i.e. "Johnny does it so why can't I? Waaaa." Grow the fark up!


My fellow white Southerns have a great history of keeping Africans enslaved, that even includes starting a bloody civil war to preserve and extend their slavery heritage across our growing Union. When, Thank God Almighty, they lost that war, did they admit they were mistaken, become better Americans in how they treated their former slaves? Of course not. It took over 100 years for the federal government to intervene and end racial segregation "officially." But many pockets still exist in Old Dixie, especially with how the South goes solid Republican, having evolved into the white man party instead of the Party of Lincoln.


So quit making piss poor excuses for white Southerns being racist asshats. They should be setting the example for America in race relations, especially if they insist they are Christians. White Southerns just haven't dug themselves out of their own hatred enough yet, IMHO.
 
2013-08-22 01:29:34 PM
phrawgh

"A black Christian is like a black person with no memory." - Chris Rock

One would thin that even that mental midget would remember Reverend Martin Luther King Jr (republican).
 
2013-08-22 02:11:05 PM

OnlyM3: phrawgh

"A black Christian is like a black person with no memory." - Chris Rock
One would thin that even that mental midget would remember Reverend Martin Luther King Jr (republican).


The one that beat his wife, terrorized his kids and was generally a giant asshole?

What about him?
 
2013-08-22 02:20:30 PM
Human nature the world over shows that people tend to be very tribal and stick with people like them. Whether that's Sioux vs. Apache, Black vs. White, Korean vs. Japanese, whatever. People tend to segregate themselves.

At what point do we translate that into "ZOMG RACIST"? Because forcing comingling is going to achieve a much better outcome than allowing people to figure out how not to be douchebags on their own.
 
2013-08-22 02:34:32 PM

Brosephus: Tricky Chicken: Brosephus: Tricky Chicken: As a white male, there are thousands of organizations that I am precluded from joining. Solely because of my race and/or gender.

However, any person that is a member of one of the organizations that I am precluded from joining, may also join any organization that I am allowed to join.

Example: A white male engineer may join the American Society of Mechanical Engineers, but discouraged from joining the National Society of Black Engineers.
A black male engineer may join both.

Being discouraged from joining is NOT the same thing as being denied from joining.

http://www.nsbe.org/Aboutus.aspx

"No person shall be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination in any NSBE program or activity available on the basis of race, color, sex, religion, creed, political belief, age, national origin, linguistic and language difference, sexual orientation, socio-economic status, height, weight, marital or familial status, or disability. "

That comes directly from their website.  That's just as big a myth as the one that White's can't attend HBCUs.

And I'm sure that a white engineer would never be made to feel uncomfortable at meetings.  The policies do not need to be exclusionary.  The name of the organization itself is exclusionary.  The letterhead itself clearly implies that this is an organization of by and for black engineers. The non-exclusion statement from the website is purely there for leagal coverage.  Any white members they may have are just sitting at the Wolworths lunch counter not getting served.

The name of the organization is just that, the name.  If you're spooked by the name before you even realize what the organization is all about, then there is no help for you.  You do nothing more than feed into the mass bigotry hysteria in this country.  There is indeed bigotry expressed in the Black community, but when you ASSUME it before it rears its head, you expose your bigotry ...


Nice, I point out that by inserting race into the very name of the organization it is exclusionary, and you play the bigot card.  They are inserting race, and I am the bigot.

Very twisted logic you have there.

Jewish people go to synogogues therefore I am an anti-semite
Women go to the ladies room therefore I am a sexist
Rich people can afford to join country clube, I am an elitist
 
2013-08-22 03:15:12 PM

Tricky Chicken: Nice, I point out that by inserting race into the very name of the organization it is exclusionary, and you play the bigot card.  They are inserting race, and I am the bigot.

Very twisted logic you have there.

Jewish people go to synogogues therefore I am an anti-semite
Women go to the ladies room therefore I am a sexist
Rich people can afford to join country clube, I am an elitist


Yes, you are the bigot if you are the one who assumes exclusionary ideals based solely on the name.  If it's so hard for you to face that reality, then so be it.  Unless or until that organization expresses such practices, the one making the assumptions reveal more about themselves than the group appears to do so.  Your logic fails you in those last three sentences as nobody would ever assume you to be an anti-Semite simply for pointing out that Jewish people go to synagogues.  You may also want to include the fact that non-Jewish people attend synagogues as guests of their Jewish friends.  Those other two are so dumb that they need not even be acknowledged.

Using your logic above, I guess judges are sexist by sentencing men and women to segregated prisons.  I'd be ashamed to assert such stuff as that, but that's just me.  Using the word "Black" in an organization's name does not in and of itself make the group exclusionary.  Limiting the memberships and privileges to only Black people makes them exclusionary.  Those two things are not mutually interchangeable.
 
2013-08-22 03:17:24 PM

PainfulItching: Having lived in Alabama, I can state this much.

While walking through a large hospital, two visiting doctors were speaking Spanish to each other (I was about 20 feet behind them). A very very fat woman huffing down the hall towards us heard them and started screaming that they should speak English if they "wanted to stay here."

Another incident. I was going to deliver something to an elderly lady in a rough part of Birmingham. She asked me point blank if I was white. When I told her I was she said I should find someone black to deliver it because she wouldn't want me to get hurt in her neighborhood.

It goes both ways sometimes. I hate that it does, but there it is.


I understand your point but the premise of your two examples is quite different.

One of them is just a douchebag while the other was looking out for your safety.
 
2013-08-22 03:40:24 PM

Brosephus: Tricky Chicken:

Using your logic above, I guess judges are sexist by sentencing men and women to segregated prisons.  I'd be ashamed to assert such stuff as that, but that's just me.  Using the word "Black" in an organization's name does not in and of itself make the group exclusionary.  Limiting the memberships and privileges to only Black people makes them exclusionary.  Those two things are not mutually interchangeable.


No, using the word black in the name focuses attention to how they intend to exclude people. In fact, that would be the purpose for the name of anything. You add more exclusionary terms to point out who the group is for.

People = everybody
National Society = probably a group set up for people in a given nation (not bigoted, just regional)
National Society of Engineers = probably a nation based group for engineers to explore like interests (not bigoted, just wanting to exclude people that don't understand engineering)
National Society of Black Engineers = now they want to narrow it down to Black people if they did not, then why would they need to add the word black?

Almost every group name points out who the group is intended for.
Boy Scouts - are for boys that want to do scouting things
Girl Scouts - are for girls that want to do scouting things
The National Automobile Dealers Association - believe it or not is for automobile dealers
The American Dental Association - is for dentists
The National Association for Left-Handed Golfers - (yes it is real) is for Left-handed golfers

But somehow,

The National Society of Black Engineers - Is not for black engineers?

But since they threw race into their name, I am the bigot.
You are not the bigot for defending a racist stance.
I am the bigot because I notice they focus on race.
You are not the bigot because you support racial focus.
I am the bigot because I notice the word black in the name.

I think you may not understand how much of a bigot you may be.
 
2013-08-22 04:10:10 PM

AirForceVet: Lsherm: Doesn't matter.  The south is still racist, but so is the north.  Pretending otherwise is just delusional.

Whites in the north began moving out of cities once forced integration via busing took hold.  They self-segregated.  So my point stands:  I don't think the results would be any different if you allowed parents in any school district in the country to make the same choice.

I don't care if people in the North are racist. I hold my fellow white Southerns to a much higher bar to achieve. And, pointing out that the North has racists too or African-American organizations have "black" in their titles are all whining little kids' excuses, i.e. "Johnny does it so why can't I? Waaaa." Grow the fark up!


My fellow white Southerns have a great history of keeping Africans enslaved, that even includes starting a bloody civil war to preserve and extend their slavery heritage across our growing Union. When, Thank God Almighty, they lost that war, did they admit they were mistaken, become better Americans in how they treated their former slaves? Of course not. It took over 100 years for the federal government to intervene and end racial segregation "officially." But many pockets still exist in Old Dixie, especially with how the South goes solid Republican, having evolved into the white man party instead of the Party of Lincoln.


So quit making piss poor excuses for white Southerns being racist asshats. They should be setting the example for America in race relations, especially if they insist they are Christians. White Southerns just haven't dug themselves out of their own hatred enough yet, IMHO.


I didn't make excuses for anyone, you just have a reading comprehension problem.  Whites in the north did the exact same thing whites in the south did - they were just less overt about it.

Racism is more overt in the south, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist anywhere else.  And the "neener neener" attitude of most northerners (and I'm one of them) gives THEM an excuse to be racist asshats.  Seriously, the south may be overtly racist, but northerners pretend because they aren't overt about it that they can't possibly be racist, and that's bullshiat.
 
2013-08-22 04:54:43 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: I see: Public, paid-for-with-taxes schools exist to further your prejudices.
I haven't seen you in any "intelligent design" threads.
Care to share any thoughts on that with the rest of us?



Paid-for-with-taxes schools exist for the same reason that all paid-for-with-taxes operations exist -- to justify their own existence.  (Yes, it's circular, and therefore a fallacy, but then again, so is the premise of government.)

You haven't seen me in any "intelligent design" threads because I'm intelligent.  All religious opinions are wrong by definition.
 
2013-08-22 05:17:59 PM

Phinn: demaL-demaL-yeH: I see: Public, paid-for-with-taxes schools exist to further your prejudices.
I haven't seen you in any "intelligent design" threads.
Care to share any thoughts on that with the rest of us?

Paid-for-with-taxes schools exist for the same reason that all paid-for-with-taxes operations exist -- to justify their own existence.  (Yes, it's circular, and therefore a fallacy, but then again, so is the premise of government.)

You haven't seen me in any "intelligent design" threads because I'm intelligent.  All religious opinions are wrong by definition.


Oh, you're a political creationist.

RON PAUL!
Now that I have your attention, the reasons we have taxpayer-supported schools include:
1) A literate workforce is more productive.
2) In a representative democracy, literacy tends to lead to informed decisions by the electorate. (This does not hold in the Age of Fox News and media consolidation.) For this reason the Texas Republic Party's official platform includes a plank calling for a ban on schools teaching, and I quote, "critical thinking skills".
3) Citizenship and a common core curriculum makes the military stronger.
4) Public schools act as a counterweight to sectarian teachings.
5) The whole community pays because the whole community benefits.
I could go on, but your eyes are glazing over by now.

RUE PAUL!
Ok, now you can post a poorly-reasoned, semiliterate, ham-fisted rebuttal telling me how government is teh ebil.

/Don't forget to formally thank your teachers for the skills they managed to cra, er, impart to you.
 
2013-08-22 05:34:51 PM

Tricky Chicken: No, using the word black in the name focuses attention to how they intend to exclude people. In fact, that would be the purpose for the name of anything. You add more exclusionary terms to point out who the group is for.

People = everybody
National Society = probably a group set up for people in a given nation (not bigoted, just regional)
National Society of Engineers = probably a nation based group for engineers to explore like interests (not bigoted, just wanting to exclude people that don't understand engineering)
National Society of Black Engineers = now they want to narrow it down to Black people if they did not, then why would they need to add the word black?

Almost every group name points out who the group is intended for.
Boy Scouts - are for boys that want to do scouting things
Girl Scouts - are for girls that want to do scouting things
The National Automobile Dealers Association - believe it or not is for automobile dealers
The American Dental Association - is for dentists
The National Association for Left-Handed Golfers - (yes it is real) is for Left-handed golfers

But somehow,

The National Society of Black Engineers - Is not for black engineers?

But since they threw race into their name, I am the bigot.
You are not the bigot for defending a racist stance.
I am the bigot because I notice they focus on race.
You are not the bigot because you support racial focus.
I am the bigot because I notice the word black in the name.

I think you may not understand how much of a bigot you may be.


Go back to the very first part of your statement to find where your disconnect begins.  "No, using the word black in the name focuses attention to how they intend to exclude people."

You're the one ASSUMING there is an attempt to exclude anyone.  When you begin your entire basis of proof on an assumption, your entire argument falls apart when there is a complete lack of factual evidence.  As long as you've been debating this, you have yet to provide a single piece of evidence to prove any attempted or thought of attempted bias by this group.  You're so fixated on the name of the group that you allow your bias to cloud your thinking to the point where you're almost imaging evidence to back up your thinking.

Then, to assume that I'm a bigot takes the cake.  I grew up in NE Alabama at a time where it was commonplace to get threatened simply because of the color of my skin.  My high school sports teams generally rode under police escort from certain schools.  You assume me to be a bigot because of your illogical conclusion based on false assumptions from the start of your argument.  To call you a bigot is a bit of a stretch on my part, but I can honestly say you are an assumptionist based on your numerous erroneous assumptions in that last post.

Yes, the National Society of Black Engineers is intended for Black engineers.  It is, however, not EXCLUSIVE to Black engineers which is what it would it would need to be for your point to be correct.  The American Dental Association is NOT exclusive to dentists.

http://www.ada.org/1386.aspx

"Membership in the American Dental Association is available to dentists, dental students, dental educators and researchers."

Once you learn the difference in "intended for" and "exclusive to", maybe you'll see the fatal flaw in your logic.  I don't even think you caught your own attempt at equating the two.
 
2013-08-22 06:56:26 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: ThighsofGlory: phrawgh: thenumber5: way from the North East Coast, and West coast, and upper mid west - you're in the South.

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Guess what else it used to say.

"Come for your court date, stay for the pie?"

Wait a sec. Wasn't that one of the more infamous "don't let the sun set" Klan towns?
*googles*
Yes. Yes, it was.


ding ding ding - we have a winner!
 
2013-08-22 06:56:28 PM
People obviously haven't read the article.

It is the black parents trying to get their kids in a room with a black teacher.  It has little to do with white kids wanting to be separate.
 
2013-08-22 11:05:07 PM

theflatline: trappedspirit: Wow, the  Troy School District of Alabama is now representing all Southern parents?  Congratulations on demonstrating how much of a bigot you are while pointing out bigots.  Deserves the irony tag for submitter.


actually as someone who lived in Selma, Alabama, the segration for the last decade, is totally african american.


The segration?  Even if you had spelled that correctly, I still cannot parse.
 
2013-08-23 12:40:52 AM

phrawgh: "A black Christian is like a black person with no memory." - Chris Rock


I read that as "money" instead of "memory"
 
2013-08-23 09:06:21 AM

DemaL-demaL-yeH: Oh, you're a political creationist.

RON PAUL!
Now that I have your attention, the reasons we have taxpayer-supported schools include:
1) A literate workforce is more productive.
2) In a representative democracy, literacy tends to lead to informed decisions by the electorate. (This does not hold in the Age of Fox News and media consolidation.) For this reason the Texas Republic Party's official platform includes a plank calling for a ban on schools teaching, and I quote, "critical thinking skills".
3) Citizenship and a common core curriculum makes the military stronger.
4) Public schools act as a counterweight to sectarian teachings.
5) The whole community pays because the whole community benefits.
I could go on, but your eyes are glazing over by now.

RUE PAUL!
Ok, now you can post a poorly-reasoned, semiliterate, ham-fisted rebuttal telling me how government is teh ebil.

/Don't forget to formally thank your teachers for the skills they managed to cra, er, impart to you.



LEV BRONSHTEIN!

You are further proof of the old adage that politics is a strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles.

Nothing you have said even refers to an ethical principle, much less proves one.  Your position is, in essence, that him who benefits must pay.  Although forced economic collectivism may be popular with certain demographics and ethnic groups, it is indefensible as an ethical proposition.  The beautification of my house benefits my entire neighborhood, since it enhances the desirability (and thus market price) of every house near me.  That does not entitle me to charge my neighbors for the "benefit" they receive.  If a doughnut shop emits the sweet smell of their delicious pastries, and that odor that is universally beloved by all who smell it, they are not ethically entitled to charge their neighbors for the "benefit."  That idea -- you must pay when I say you benefit -- may be the operative norm in a collectivist rat hole, like a kibbutz, for example, but in the normal world, the obligation to pay is based on the voluntary exchange of rights in property.

/You sound like a state-employed "teacher"
 
2013-08-23 10:09:17 AM

Phinn: DemaL-demaL-yeH: Oh, you're a political creationist.

RON PAUL!
Now that I have your attention, the reasons we have taxpayer-supported schools include:
1) A literate workforce is more productive.
2) In a representative democracy, literacy tends to lead to informed decisions by the electorate. (This does not hold in the Age of Fox News and media consolidation.) For this reason the Texas Republic Party's official platform includes a plank calling for a ban on schools teaching, and I quote, "critical thinking skills".
3) Citizenship and a common core curriculum makes the military stronger.
4) Public schools act as a counterweight to sectarian teachings.
5) The whole community pays because the whole community benefits.
I could go on, but your eyes are glazing over by now.

RUE PAUL!
Ok, now you can post a poorly-reasoned, semiliterate, ham-fisted rebuttal telling me how government is teh ebil.

/Don't forget to formally thank your teachers for the skills they managed to cra, er, impart to you.

LEV BRONSHTEIN!

You are further proof of the old adage that politics is a strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles.

Nothing you have said even refers to an ethical principle, much less proves one.  Your position is, in essence, that him who benefits must pay.  Although forced economic collectivism may be popular with certain demographics and ethnic groups, it is indefensible as an ethical proposition.  The beautification of my house benefits my entire neighborhood, since it enhances the desirability (and thus market price) of every house near me.  That does not entitle me to charge my neighbors for the "benefit" they receive.  If a doughnut shop emits the sweet smell of their delicious pastries, and that odor that is universally beloved by all who smell it, they are not ethically entitled to charge their neighbors for the "benefit."  That idea -- you must pay when I say you benefit -- may be the operative norm in a collectivist rat hole, like a kibbutz, for e ...


Poeslaw: Explain the "ethics" of wanting the benefits of civilization without paying the price. You received and continue to receive the benefits of the public, publicly-funded education, court system, infrastructure, etc., etc., etc., that goes with civilization, which is a package deal. Man up, Nancy, and quit whining about taxes. Or repay society for the benefits you've been receiving your entire life and go live alone by your "wits" in the wildereness - the farking vultures and ravens need food, too.
 
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