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(Opposing Views)   If you let southern parents decide who their children will be classmates with, do you get: a) a lot of diversity, b) some diversity, or c) total segregation?   (opposingviews.com) divider line 238
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2013-08-22 12:14:19 AM  

impaler: Debeo Summa Credo: This. Everyone does this, north or south, red or blue.

64 civil rights act

by party and region

Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.

The original House version:

Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7-93%)
Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0-100%)

Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94-6%)
Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85-15%)

The Senate version:

Southern Democrats: 1-20 (5-95%) (only Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
Southern Republicans: 0-1 (0-100%) (John Tower of Texas)
Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98-2%) (only Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted against)
Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84-16%)


BOTH SIDES ARE BAD!!!

Fuking Republicans.


Thanks for pointing this out.  We should vote those bastards out of office.  Where's my voter ID card?
 
2013-08-22 12:15:06 AM  

Teufel Ritter: northguineahills: I was born and raised in the South, and my parents made sure I had play mates of all races in the 70s.  Although my parents were college educated and my father was in the Navy.

/anecdotal evidence is anecdotal

Wait, this sounds familiar . . .

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larfs all around!
 
2013-08-22 12:19:56 AM  

catpuncher: Classes should be segregated... by academic ability. Parental choice? WTF?


But every measure of that ability is racially biased.  That is why NY changes its tests periodically to try and find a test that places students into advanced classes at a rate that approximates the racial mix of the city.  To date, this has failed.  Asians and whites excel, Hispanics and blacks fall behind.  It's a shame, too, because every race is just as smart as the other races.
 
2013-08-22 12:21:11 AM  

impaler: 64 civil rights act


You sound really well informed.

Please tell us about southern white conservatives' party affiliation in 1964 compared to 2013.

That would be really interesting.

TIA!
 
2013-08-22 12:21:20 AM  
Yes please:

Thanks for pointing this out.  We should vote those bastards out of office.  Where's my voter ID card?

You think you'll be allowed to vote against the Republicans? Isn't that precious
 
2013-08-22 12:23:18 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: The problem with the South is that it's blacks and whites.  A lot more other non-whites go to cities in the north. NYC has so many other groups for white people to hate that though blacks have problems, it's diluted. No, I am being totally serious. I think this is a central difference.


never been to the south have you

we have a HUGE Asian population, alot of south-Vietnam expats came here after the war due to the similar environment, large number of military bases, and (as far as the coast goes) an already existing "Fisherman" culture
 
2013-08-22 12:24:11 AM  

anuran: Yes please:

Thanks for pointing this out.  We should vote those bastards out of office.  Where's my voter ID card?

You think you'll be allowed to vote against the Republicans? Isn't that precious


Well over 90% of them are dead, so I can't vote for them in good conscience.  Not that I'm a Deather.
 
2013-08-22 12:26:06 AM  

jaytkay: impaler: 64 civil rights act

You sound really well informed.

Please tell us about southern white conservatives' party affiliation in 1964 compared to 2013.

That would be really interesting.

TIA!


lets act like the GOP and DEMs are in anyway simular to how they where in '64, or even '74. '84, or '94
 
2013-08-22 12:27:25 AM  

jaytkay: impaler: 64 civil rights act

You sound really well informed.

Please tell us about southern white conservatives' party affiliation in 1964 compared to 2013.

That would be really interesting.

TIA!


www.outsidethebeltway.com
 
2013-08-22 12:30:11 AM  

jaytkay: impaler: 64 civil rights act

You sound really well informed.

Please tell us about southern white conservatives' party affiliation in 1964 compared to 2013.

That would be really interesting.

TIA!


Well that's a very interesting question over the past 40 years the center had moved to the left and the whole liberal/conservative ideological split with party affiliation was not as pronounced before the zombie administration from 1980-88
 
2013-08-22 12:32:34 AM  

thenumber5: PC LOAD LETTER: The problem with the South is that it's blacks and whites.  A lot more other non-whites go to cities in the north. NYC has so many other groups for white people to hate that though blacks have problems, it's diluted. No, I am being totally serious. I think this is a central difference.

never been to the south have you

we have a HUGE Asian population, alot of south-Vietnam expats came here after the war due to the similar environment, large number of military bases, and (as far as the coast goes) an already existing "Fisherman" culture


Memphis for some reason has a large "Little Saigon."
 
2013-08-22 12:33:35 AM  

thenumber5: never been to the south have you we have a HUGE Asian population


No, you don't.

Percent Asian population
Georgia 3.5%
Alabama 1.2%    
Florida 2.7%    
South Carolina 0.1%
Texas 0.1%
Louisiana 1.7%
Mississippi 0.9%

It surprises me how many people think "my neighborhood" equals "the universe".

/ Well, not surprising in states with historically low levels of education
 
2013-08-22 12:35:01 AM  
Long Island is one of the most segregated places in the entire US.  Actually, I bet that most of the population in the south has come from else where since the 1960's.  Either from up north or from over seas.  Gee, Louisiana's governor is first generation Indian.  Those racists bastards.
 
2013-08-22 12:35:25 AM  

impaler: jaytkay: impaler: 64 civil rights act

You sound really well informed.

Please tell us about southern white conservatives' party affiliation in 1964 compared to 2013.

That would be really interesting.

TIA!

[www.outsidethebeltway.com image 432x272]


Amazing if it were true. Just doesn't explain all the republican Presidents and the other two Dems before Obama being Southern does it.

/Out of context graph is out of context.
//OMG I got to do a slashie
 
2013-08-22 12:39:20 AM  

ThisIsntMe: Amazing if it were true. Just doesn't explain all the republican Presidents and the other two Dems before Obama being Southern does it.

Really? You're that stupid? You are aware that the entire country votes for the president right?

Did you know Republicans have won the popular vote for the president ONCE since 88?
 
2013-08-22 12:41:33 AM  

impaler: [www.outsidethebeltway.com image 432x272]


You sound really well informed.

Please tell us how that graph describes southern white conservatives' party affiliation in 1964 compared to 2013.
 
2013-08-22 12:42:25 AM  

Teufel Ritter: catpuncher: Classes should be segregated... by academic ability. Parental choice? WTF?

But every measure of that ability is racially biased.  That is why NY changes its tests periodically to try and find a test that places students into advanced classes at a rate that approximates the racial mix of the city.  To date, this has failed.  Asians and whites excel, Hispanics and blacks fall behind.  It's a shame, too, because every race is just as smart as the other races.


Sometimes that's just the way the cookie crumbles.
 
2013-08-22 12:44:08 AM  

Mock26: If I remember correctly UCLA allows for segregated graduation ceremonies, so this is just prepping the kids for life at a major university.


If true, that is terrible.
 
2013-08-22 12:44:44 AM  

Teufel Ritter: catpuncher: Classes should be segregated... by academic ability. Parental choice? WTF?

But every measure of that ability is racially biased.  That is why NY changes its tests periodically to try and find a test that places students into advanced classes at a rate that approximates the racial mix of the city.  To date, this has failed.  Asians and whites excel, Hispanics and blacks fall behind.  It's a shame, too, because every race is just as smart as the other races.


I'm willing to bet that if they normalized those who excelled based on income levels of the students' families you'd see that the results are statistically accurate (i.e. a larger percentage of white and Asian families are well off compared to black and Hispanic families).
 
2013-08-22 12:45:19 AM  

impaler: ThisIsntMe: Amazing if it were true. Just doesn't explain all the republican Presidents and the other two Dems before Obama being Southern does it.

Really? You're that stupid? You are aware that the entire country votes for the president right?

Did you know Republicans have won the popular vote for the president ONCE since 88?


No, I'm not as stupid as a moron that thinks a representative democracy is the same as a democracy.
 
2013-08-22 12:46:06 AM  

ThisIsntMe: Amazing if it were true. Just doesn't explain all the republican Presidents and the other two Dems before Obama being Southern does it.


Seriously, this is such a retarded non-sequitur, only a Republican could come up with it. It's literally predicated on the fact that the northerners and southerners. And if the proposition that people will be inclined to vote for someone from their region, it benefits the Democrats to run a southern Democrat to fool the moronic southern Republicans.

Fuking Republicans. Ignorant as shat.
 
2013-08-22 12:47:41 AM  

ThisIsntMe: impaler: ThisIsntMe: Amazing if it were true. Just doesn't explain all the republican Presidents and the other two Dems before Obama being Southern does it.

Really? You're that stupid? You are aware that the entire country votes for the president right?

Did you know Republicans have won the popular vote for the president ONCE since 88?

No, I'm not as stupid as a moron that thinks a democracy is the same as a representative democracy.

/Sry, 1 too many martinis at the Harrelson's.
//Their son is going to Yale , you know.

 
2013-08-22 12:48:19 AM  

jaytkay: Please tell us how that graph describes southern white conservatives' party affiliation in 1964 compared to 2013.


In 64 they were Democrats, and as Johnson said after the civil rights act, "we lost the South for a generation."

What's your point?

eurweb.zippykid.netdna-cdn.com
 
2013-08-22 12:50:01 AM  

ThisIsntMe: impaler: ThisIsntMe: Amazing if it were true. Just doesn't explain all the republican Presidents and the other two Dems before Obama being Southern does it.

Really? You're that stupid? You are aware that the entire country votes for the president right?

Did you know Republicans have won the popular vote for the president ONCE since 88?

No, I'm not as stupid as a moron that thinks a representative democracy is the same as a democracy.


Neither do I. Do you think you're being clever? Because you're stupid if you are.
 
2013-08-22 12:50:44 AM  

impaler: ThisIsntMe: Amazing if it were true. Just doesn't explain all the republican Presidents and the other two Dems before Obama being Southern does it.

Seriously, this is such a retarded non-sequitur, only a Republican could come up with it. It's literally predicated on the fact that the northerners and southerners. And if the proposition that people will be inclined to vote for someone from their region, it benefits the Democrats to run a southern Democrat to fool the moronic southern Republicans.

Fuking Republicans. Ignorant as shat.


static.comicvine.com
 
2013-08-22 12:50:46 AM  
Sherman burnt down my daddy's barn just last week.
 
2013-08-22 12:52:28 AM  

ThisIsntMe: impaler: ThisIsntMe: Amazing if it were true. Just doesn't explain all the republican Presidents and the other two Dems before Obama being Southern does it.

Really? You're that stupid? You are aware that the entire country votes for the president right?

Did you know Republicans have won the popular vote for the president ONCE since 88?

No, I'm not as stupid as a moron that thinks a representative democracy is the same as a democracy.


And yes you are fuking stupid if you think the inability to get the popular vote makes it hard for you to win elections, and that it doesn't mean anything.

Even the "we should be more conservative" morons pointed to that fact as a concern.

Jesus.
 
2013-08-22 12:52:47 AM  

Pacfanweb: Funny how people are piling on white folks, but fail to see that the all-black classes were that way because THEIR parents wanted it that way.


That. In my freshman English class a few years back, one of our coursebooks was a handy little guide on multicultural education. It had some great ideas, and it was honestly fun, brainstorming ideas on how to help younger kids in the classroom. Right up until we hit an essay going on about how colored children would benefit most from teachers who "look like them" because they're the only ones who can "understand their culture."
 
2013-08-22 12:53:37 AM  

impaler: ThisIsntMe: Amazing if it were true. Just doesn't explain all the republican Presidents and the other two Dems before Obama being Southern does it.

Seriously, this is such a retarded non-sequitur, only a Republican could come up with it. It's literally predicated on the fact that the northerners and southerners. And if the proposition that people will be inclined to vote for someone from their region, it benefits the Democrats to run a southern Democrat to fool the moronic southern Republicans.

Fuking Republicans. Ignorant as shat.


Keep insulting others' intelligence as much as you like, but I feel compelled to point out that the bolded parts above don't meet the basic requirements to qualify as English sentences.
 
2013-08-22 12:53:55 AM  

ParagonComplex: Dudes, it's Alabama. A LA BA MA. It is not a paragon of racial tolerance. What did you expect? It is the most redneck state in the nation. Alabama and Georgia have knockdown drag-out fights over who is the most redneck and racist. This is not at all surprising.


Hmm I'm not sure if you're being intellectually dishonest here, plain stupid or DNRTFA but the article is implying that the black parents are the racist ones here wanting their kids segregated from the white students.
 
2013-08-22 12:54:41 AM  

ThisIsntMe: impaler: ThisIsntMe: Amazing if it were true. Just doesn't explain all the republican Presidents and the other two Dems before Obama being Southern does it.

Seriously, this is such a retarded non-sequitur, only a Republican could come up with it. It's literally predicated on the fact that the northerners and southerners will just vote based on region. And if the proposition that people will be inclined to vote for someone from their region, it benefits the Democrats to run a southern Democrat to fool the moronic southern Republicans.

Fuking Republicans. Ignorant as shat.

[static.comicvine.com image 750x600]



Sorry, I'm a little drunk.

If you believe people vote only on their region, you're a fuking idiot.
 
2013-08-22 12:54:48 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Teufel Ritter: catpuncher: Classes should be segregated... by academic ability. Parental choice? WTF?

But every measure of that ability is racially biased.  That is why NY changes its tests periodically to try and find a test that places students into advanced classes at a rate that approximates the racial mix of the city.  To date, this has failed.  Asians and whites excel, Hispanics and blacks fall behind.  It's a shame, too, because every race is just as smart as the other races.

I'm willing to bet that if they normalized those who excelled based on income levels of the students' families you'd see that the results are statistically accurate (i.e. a larger percentage of white and Asian families are well off compared to black and Hispanic families).


I recall reading an article discussing the most recent overhaul of the NY testing system.  It focused on the never ending search to find a test that yielded results in line with the city's demographics.  I wish I could find a link to the article, but I cannot.

Anyway, the article mentioned that even the children of Asian immigrants (i.e., first generation Americans) and their parents took test prep more seriously than whites, Hispanics, and blacks.  These families were often very poor, but made sacrifices to make sure their children were educated.  (I think it helps that "American poor" is probably fairly decent living compared to some Asian countries' standard of living; parents don't feel like they have to keep up with the Joneses, so to speak).

Now, I have no doubt that there is a strong negative correlation between income and test scores, but I am not convinced it is causation.  At the very least, I think there are other contributing variables at play.  I think a large part of it is cultural, and I don't know how to change the underperforming cultures to improve the situation.  There is certainly no easy fix.

Again, sorry I cannot find the article.
 
2013-08-22 12:56:06 AM  

Yes please: Keep insulting others' intelligence as much as you like, but I feel compelled to point out that the bolded parts above don't meet the basic requirements to qualify as English sentences.


I corrected it.
 
2013-08-22 12:58:09 AM  

impaler: Yes please: Keep insulting others' intelligence as much as you like, but I feel compelled to point out that the bolded parts above don't meet the basic requirements to qualify as English sentences.

I corrected it.


You certainly may think you did.
 
2013-08-22 12:58:57 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Lsherm: AirForceVet: Lsherm: I'm not sure the results would be any different if you allowed parents from any school district in the country to make the same choice.

I'm sorry, but where were you in the South during the 1960s? Gleam in your daddy's eye, perhaps?

Doesn't matter.  The south is still racist, but so is the north.  Pretending otherwise is just delusional.

Whites in the north began moving out of cities once forced integration via busing took hold.  They self-segregated.  So my point stands:  I don't think the results would be any different if you allowed parents in any school district in the country to make the same choice.

This. Everyone does this, north or south, red or blue.


Um..so lemme get this straight: the black parents also wanted black teachers, but only the white people were racist.
 
2013-08-22 01:01:03 AM  

Yes please: You certainly may think you did.


No, I did. Rapidly scanning text you can miss stuff, but when you don't, it's easy to correct.
 
2013-08-22 01:01:38 AM  

thenumber5: PC LOAD LETTER: The problem with the South is that it's blacks and whites.  A lot more other non-whites go to cities in the north. NYC has so many other groups for white people to hate that though blacks have problems, it's diluted. No, I am being totally serious. I think this is a central difference.

never been to the south have you

we have a HUGE Asian population, alot of south-Vietnam expats came here after the war due to the similar environment, large number of military bases, and (as far as the coast goes) an already existing "Fisherman" culture


I'm not sure what your definition of HUGE is but if you're talking the rare ocasional Asian inside a car then I guess you're right. I was in MS not too long ago and had a craving for Chinese food.. could not find one for the longest time. Also made a point to look for oriental looking people and did not see any either until I finally found a hole in a wall hinese resutarant and those were the only Asians I saw in probably a 100 mile radius.
 
2013-08-22 01:02:09 AM  

The more you eat the more you fart: Debeo Summa Credo: Lsherm: AirForceVet: Lsherm: I'm not sure the results would be any different if you allowed parents from any school district in the country to make the same choice.

I'm sorry, but where were you in the South during the 1960s? Gleam in your daddy's eye, perhaps?

Doesn't matter.  The south is still racist, but so is the north.  Pretending otherwise is just delusional.

Whites in the north began moving out of cities once forced integration via busing took hold.  They self-segregated.  So my point stands:  I don't think the results would be any different if you allowed parents in any school district in the country to make the same choice.

This. Everyone does this, north or south, red or blue.

Um..so lemme get this straight: the black parents also wanted black teachers, but only the white people were racist.


What about that doesn't make sense?
 
2013-08-22 01:03:14 AM  

SuperNinjaToad: I finally found a hole in a wall hinese resutarant and those were the only Asians I saw in probably a 100 mile radius.


I love hinesian cuisine.
 
2013-08-22 01:04:22 AM  

Teufel Ritter: The more you eat the more you fart: Debeo Summa Credo: Lsherm: AirForceVet: Lsherm: I'm not sure the results would be any different if you allowed parents from any school district in the country to make the same choice.

I'm sorry, but where were you in the South during the 1960s? Gleam in your daddy's eye, perhaps?

Doesn't matter.  The south is still racist, but so is the north.  Pretending otherwise is just delusional.

Whites in the north began moving out of cities once forced integration via busing took hold.  They self-segregated.  So my point stands:  I don't think the results would be any different if you allowed parents in any school district in the country to make the same choice.

This. Everyone does this, north or south, red or blue.

Um..so lemme get this straight: the black parents also wanted black teachers, but only the white people were racist.

What about that doesn't make sense?


Nice try.
 
2013-08-22 01:06:16 AM  

impaler: SuperNinjaToad: I finally found a hole in a wall hinese resutarant and those were the only Asians I saw in probably a 100 mile radius.

I love hinesian cuisine.


So is THAT where the naked ladies dance, and can you see it all through the hole in the wall?

/thought it was France.
 
2013-08-22 01:09:59 AM  

impaler: SuperNinjaToad: I finally found a hole in a wall hinese resutarant and those were the only Asians I saw in probably a 100 mile radius.

I love hinesian cuisine.


I had Hinesian once. Or at least that where she said she was from.

/Whatever
 
2013-08-22 01:11:43 AM  

impaler: Yes please: You certainly may think you did.

No, I did. Rapidly scanning text you can miss stuff, but when you don't, it's easy to correct.


It's definitely not fixed.  First of all, you didn't do anything to the second part.  And while the first one is at least now a sentence, here's a better way to express what you were apparently trying to say:

It's predicated on the notion that some northerners and southerners will vote based solely on region.

That's still not a great sentence, but at least it's an improvement.
 
2013-08-22 01:14:26 AM  

Yes please: It's definitely not fixed. First of all, you didn't do anything to the second part. And while the first one is at least now a sentence, here's a better way to express what you were apparently trying to say:

It's predicated on the notion that some northerners and southerners will vote based solely on region.

That's still not a great sentence, but at least it's an improvement.


So you knew what I was saying. I deem that "fixed."

QED
 
2013-08-22 01:15:49 AM  

impaler: ThisIsntMe: Amazing if it were true. Just doesn't explain all the republican Presidents and the other two Dems before Obama being Southern does it.

Really? You're that stupid? You are aware that the entire country votes for the president right?

Did you know Republicans have won the popular vote for the president ONCE since 88?


In 2004, when everyfarkingbody knew just how incredibly stupid, incompetent, corrupt, and farcical his administration was.
/America has a deep and wide masochistic streak when people are afraid.
 
2013-08-22 01:17:46 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: untaken_name: Look, freedom of association is not an American value, ok? Nowhere is that right even mentioned. Forced integration doesn't cause any tensions or problems whatsoever.

Paging Mr. Crow. Mr. James Crow, please answer the zebra courtesy phone.


Right, because voluntary segregation through freedom of association is exactly the same as enforced segregation by law. Oh wait, no, it's completely different. Nice attempt to discredit me instead of actually say something yourself, btw. Excellent form.
 
2013-08-22 01:18:56 AM  

impaler: Yes please: It's definitely not fixed. First of all, you didn't do anything to the second part. And while the first one is at least now a sentence, here's a better way to express what you were apparently trying to say:

It's predicated on the notion that some northerners and southerners will vote based solely on region.

That's still not a great sentence, but at least it's an improvement.

So you knew what I was saying. I deem that "fixed."

QED


He said, before disappearing in a puff of logic.
 
2013-08-22 01:19:36 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: In 2004, when everyfarkingbody knew just how incredibly stupid, incompetent, corrupt, and farcical his administration was.
/America has a deep and wide masochistic streak when people are afraid.


Home of the brave.

Some people like to say "freedom isn't free." And yet they're perfectly content to believe exceptionalism is.
 
2013-08-22 01:23:29 AM  

Teufel Ritter: QED

He said, before disappearing in a puff of logic.


Not true. This is fark, so by declaring QED, I've won the thread. Granted it's not fair, but like I mentioned earlier, this is fark.

Don't make me QED a second time.
 
2013-08-22 01:26:56 AM  

impaler: Teufel Ritter: QED

He said, before disappearing in a puff of logic.

Not true. This is fark, so by declaring QED, I've won the thread. Granted it's not fair, but like I mentioned earlier, this is fark.

Don't make me QED a second time.


Oh I know, good sir.  I was simply alluding to Hitchhiker's Guide.
 
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