Occam's Nailfile: Abacus9: The problem is proving someone guilty. It's very difficult to prove that someone is guilty without some doubt. A person's life depends on that jury decision, and the jury could always be wrong. That's why many (though not all) people are against the death penalty. I'm not, but it should be absolutely proven that someone is guilty before the state or anyone else should be allowed to take their life.I'm with ya, which is why I say a trial by jury, two appeals, and experienced capital crime judiciaries should be employed. For sure, let's get it right, to the best degree we can. Can we guarantee that NO innocent will EVER be condemned? Nope. But we can guarantee that the guy being executed can never again harm another human being. And we can also spend a hell of a lot less money on incarceration, lawyers, etc.And yeah, I know it costs a bazillion dollars to execute someone. But that's only because our current system requires a hand-written letter from God on gold parchment to finally execute someone. Streamline the process, while simultaneously creating the best review system we can.
Abacus9: doglover: Abacus9: I'm saying change the system,That's all I'm saying too.Nothing I've proposed is anything but a return to saner days.I didn't really mean you, I was referring to all the tough guys in the thread who think it's acceptable for prisoners to rape and kill each other because "screw them they're bad guys." - That's why we have a system, to handle things so we don't need vigilantes. Don't like the system, change it. That's one thing Americans seem to have forgotten, it's that these things aren't set in stone. But "rules are rules, they can't evar change!"
Mrbogey: Abacus9: Derp. And I'm pro-death penalty.Uh huh.
Popular Opinion: prison without violent rape is hardly a deterrent
Abacus9: Popular Opinion: prison without violent rape is hardly a deterrentThat's not what prison is for, even if that is what goes on.
Popular Opinion: Abacus9: Popular Opinion: prison without violent rape is hardly a deterrentThat's not what prison is for, even if that is what goes on.yes, of course it isn't. and it should never happen. ever,do you think confinement is an adequate deterrent to violent crime like rape and murder?
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