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(Opposing Views)   In his latest effort to reduce the wow-factor associated with having a "Dr." in front of one's name, Dr. Phil asks: Is it cool to have sex with a drunk chick?   (opposingviews.com) divider line 69
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2013-08-21 04:06:11 PM
9 votes:
I've had sex with my ex when I was drunk. Never once did I call the cops on her the next morning. I believe in equality. If you say that women should not be prosecuted for having sex with intoxicated guys but guys should be prosecuted for having sex with intoxicated girls, then you're saying that men are superior and can stay in control of themselves even when intoxicated whereas women are inferior and cannot.

If you're one of those types of people, male or female, that are going to really regret doing certain shiat the next morning, then don't get sloppy drunk.
2013-08-21 05:02:15 PM
5 votes:
The work "drunk" means different things to different people, so you have a meaningful discussion you have to define what level of "drunk chick" we're talking about.

Level 1 -- sings to Kelly Clarkson
Level 2  -- "Woohoo!  Vegas!!"
Level 3 -- makes out, sortof, with girlfriend
Level 4 -- "Has anyone seen my phone?"
Level 5 -- "Hold my hair."
Level 6 -- Zzzzzzzzz

The answers to Dr Phil's question are yes, yes, yes, maybe, no, and ew.
2013-08-21 07:12:52 PM
4 votes:
What a bunch of retarded drama. Some people should get a farking life.

Also, don't you know that women are irresponsible and obviously need a strong man to watch over them when they drink so they don't get taken advantage of? I mean, I don't really believe that, but if I was totally sexist, I would.
2013-08-21 04:11:29 PM
4 votes:
In other news, 40% of the population of Wisconsin to be charged with rape tomorrow.
2013-08-21 04:07:44 PM
4 votes:
Everyone who's had drunken sex is either a rapist or a rape victim, depending on gender, didn't everyone learn that in freshman orientation?
2013-08-21 05:36:29 PM
3 votes:
If you listen to Dr. Phil, you'll get what you deserve.
2013-08-21 10:17:13 PM
2 votes:
Yup, I'm never going to go anywhere near a Fark party.
2013-08-21 09:01:15 PM
2 votes:

Theaetetus: mongbiohazard: Theaetetus: Lando Lincoln: I've had sex with my ex when I was drunk. Never once did I call the cops on her the next morning. I believe in equality. If you say that women should not be prosecuted for having sex with intoxicated guys but guys should be prosecuted for having sex with intoxicated girls, then you're saying that men are superior and can stay in control of themselves even when intoxicated whereas women are inferior and cannot.

Who's said this?

Bear in mind that the legal definition of intoxicated may be more than your "I shotgunned two beers, because with my fedora and chinbeard, I'm a wild man" level.

How about the judges and prosecutors when two drunk people have sex together and the guy is charged and/or convicted for rape but the woman is not? I'd think they might be an arguable answer to your question.

And as soon as those mythical judges or prosecutors show up in this thread to admit they said that, or you can find an actual quotation from one of them, you'll have a point, Pumpkin.


Guy and girl get shiatfaced together, she says she said no, he says she didn't. They were both drunk, but the guy is the one who gets charged. It happens snoogums.

Not trying to defend scumbags who actually prey on women, mind you, intentionally getting them drunk until they are blacked out and then taking advantage of them. That shiat happens far too often I'm sure. Just saying, if two people are both drinking together, and both legally considered unable to give consent due to cognitive impairment (rather than just one is blacked out) I don't think an actual rape charge should be appropriate unless they're both being charged.

And it does happen to guys... to whit.......

Theaetetus: r1niceboy: There's also the fact that it's rarely one party is drunk, and the other sober. Both are often past the point where they can no longer make rational decisions. Where do you draw the line?

Actually, that's quite common. See, e.g., the Roethlisberger bathroom incident. Or look up any of the research on Predator Theory or the interviews with admitted rapists - they specifically target victims who are incapacitated, while remaining sober or nearly sober.
In fact, it's quite rare for a situation to occur in which both parties are incapacitated - as Pam says, "you're pushing rope." Although, more likely, you're both passed out.

But this highlights a distinction between "incapacitated", and "drunk". The former is related to your capacity to consent, and is kinda the point. The latter is an ambiguous term encompassing everything from tipsy to blacked out to passed out to on the way to the ER. And the aforementioned scumbags will use the latter because they can imply that a girl was only tipsy while she was actually passed out.



Maybe it's rare, but its actually happened to me. I've had women I'm drinking with on two occasions, who I wanted nothing to do with sexually (for two very different reasons) wait until I was completely, blackout shiatfaced to make their move. The first time I sobered up enough to realize what was going on right in the middle of sex and literally scrambled away and out as fast as I could. The second time the woman just was on top of me making out with me and trying to get my clothes off when I realized what was going on, and I rolled her off of me and staggered away towards where my friends were.

In both cases the women started drinking with me while we were with others, while egging me on to drink more and more, while slowing down themselves so I'd be drunker and then finally separating me from the people we were with once I was good and schnockered. Now that I'm an old guy, yeah that strategy wouldn't work as well, but when I was a young guy, like 18-25, there wasn't enough booze I could drink to make the hydraulics stop working and in one of those two occasions I was literally having intercourse already when I started becoming conscious of my actions again.

So it's not like I can't feel sympathy for women that happens to, I understand it perfectly as I've had it happen to me. I just think - for the grey areas (ie. NOT the cases where one party is clearly out of it and the other one isn't) - it's not helpful to create a double standard where if two people are drinking together one can accuse the other of rape the next day without being charged themselves - based totally on the premise that they were drinking and unable to give consent without giving that same benefit of the doubt to the other party!
2013-08-21 07:55:18 PM
2 votes:
I don't see what the big deal about this is. For one, Dr. Phil merely brought up the issue, didn't take a side on it. Beyond that, it's far too gray an issue to have a simple straight yes or no opinion on, and if you do, you should stop having opinions.

/not that you will, but I can dream
Bou
2013-08-21 07:19:17 PM
2 votes:
Can anyone think of an activity other than sex where you are not held responsible for your actions because you are drunk? Throw up in a taxi? Your fault. Drive? Your fault. Text your mum saying you always hated her? Your fault. Rob a liquor store? Your fault. If someone has sex with you when you are passed out from alcohol, it's rape, the same as if you were roofied or smacked on the head with a bat. If you have sex with someone who you would never have shagged if you had been sober, then your judgement was impaired because YOU impaired it!  Accept the consequences and drink less next time.
2013-08-21 06:47:03 PM
2 votes:
So if this is true than how can anybody be prosecuted for DWI/DUI since they can't give consent?
2013-08-21 06:19:20 PM
2 votes:

Warlordtrooper: rickythepenguin: Warlordtrooper: When was the last time a woman was charged with rape for having sex with a drunk guy.... let alone convicted.

by that definition, i think my wife raped me the other day.

she did things, bro.  she did things.  i don't want to talk about it......she did things.  bad things.

But that's my point.

Woman having consensual sex with drunkmale = OK
Man having consensual sex with drunk female = rape.


This is a nice little lesson in how some people use words to mean different things, and why the law attempts to avoid such ambiguities. The word you're looking for is "incapacitated". Not "gosh, I had a couple beers and was hungover the next day, so that's legally the exact same as a chick who's passed out in her own vomit, right?"
2013-08-21 06:18:52 PM
2 votes:
No it's not OK for certain values of drunk.  What those values are and how you are supposed to measure them when you are also drunk is very hard to tell.  so you might as well just not try and figure it out and just not have sex tonight champ.

Also the scale slides depending on how often you've had sex with this person in the past.  My wife likes drunken sex as much as I do, but whats OK for a couple who has been having sex regularly for 10 years isn't really the same thing as a second date.  Really it's pretty obvious for non scumbags where to draw the line.
2013-08-21 06:11:28 PM
2 votes:
Absolute bullshiat.  There was no context to the question and everyone goes apeshiat.
My girlfriends would always get drunk and want to fark the shiat out of me, and not once did I end up in jail.
SO, yes, it is perfectly OK.

Is it OK to rape a drunk chick you picked up at a frat party.  Contextually speaking, proabably not.

This is the one time I am on Dr. Phil's side.
2013-08-21 06:10:48 PM
2 votes:

scottydoesntknow: vernonFL: I don't understand the outrage, obviously a lot of men don't understand that it is NOT okay and that it is in fact rape and that they can be arrested, charged prosecuted and convicted.

Maybe he would've done a little better by saying "drunk person", as the same thing can happen to a guy.

I definitely agree it's not outrage-worthy though. It's asking a question. If he made the statement "It's perfectly ok to have sex with a drunk girl" then rage away.


And in fact has. My friend got blindingly drunk one night (ok, several nights, but this one was bad) and ended up having sex with a pretty little brunette. Pretty girl cried rape the next day.

He would have been totally screwed and gone to the clink. You cannot win when the physical evidence says that you had sex with girl crying rape and everyone says she was drunk. Even if you couldn't stand unassisted, you will lose.

Fortunately for my friend, her romantic rival for another guy's affections (and the reason she felt guilty and cried rape) recorded a couple of minutes of her bouncing up and down on him, moaning happily about his 8", blah blah, very much emphasizing the fact that she was an enthusiastic participant.

He pretty much laid there from what I was told.

No, she was never charged. My friend almost went to jail for a decade (at least) and she skated without even a charge being filed against her.
2013-08-21 05:46:33 PM
2 votes:

the_colors: The question isn't very nuanced. And this, like every other situation in life, isn't really black and white.

shiat-faced and on the verge of passing out/doesn't know where she is/who you are -- run far, far away.

Two drinks and kind of tipsy, but completely in control and able to enthusiastically consent? Fine, just be damn sure. Check in halfway through. Maybe even get it in writing.

Applies to all genders, imo.


This.
2013-08-21 05:28:04 PM
2 votes:
FTFA: Rios noted that victims, not rapists, should be the ones with a national platform in order to discuss solutions to tragedies like Steubenville.

It is incredibly important for victims to have such platforms. But a national conversation about alcohol, abuse and consent needs significant impulse from those who are neither victims nor perpetrators as well.
2013-08-21 05:07:09 PM
2 votes:

Lando Lincoln: Theaetetus: Who's said this?

Give them a few minutes. They'll be here.


Have to wait to sign in on an alt? I understand.

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2013-08-21 03:59:49 PM
2 votes:
I don't understand the outrage, obviously a lot of men don't understand that it is NOT okay and that it is in fact rape and that they can be arrested, charged prosecuted and convicted.
2013-08-22 08:59:50 AM
1 votes:
He has a talk show.
He asked a question.to get material to talk about a certain subject.
He gave no opinion..
You may now untwist your panties, you reactionary twats.
2013-08-22 03:01:22 AM
1 votes:

Bou: You wake up. You remember drinking heavily in the club last night, but after that, a blank. Next to you is another person who you don't recognise. It's clear you have had sex. When you sit up, the other person wakes and says "Oh god, my head, Who are you?". This person is clearly surprised but not angry, in fact seems just embarrassed.  You are in a relationship and your partner is likely to find out. Who got raped last night?


The one with the vagina.
2013-08-21 11:11:30 PM
1 votes:
I'm a woman, I've done this and I call it "dumb drunk sex," i.e.,  regrettable, but hardly rape. It made for good times in my 20's, but beyond that it gets rather sad & pathetic for both partners, I believe. If you're in your 40's and beyond and drunken, mutual date rape is the best you both can do...well...it says something about one's ability to initiate and/or maintain any sort of real intimacy.

I wouldn't get the law involved in my dumb drunk sex, as in, "Officer, he made no attempt to give me an orgasm, none whatsover, and didn't even make me breakfast. Therefore, I was raped," because I have a wonderful emotion called "SHAME" instilled in me by my considerate elders.

If both partners are drunk, it's a mutual stupidity/lust thing. As a first-date thing, it doesn't bode well for any long-term relationship unless one or both partners hate themselves completely/have zero standards, or both are habitual drunks who use this as their usual mating ritual. Then, you know, have at it. Have little fetal alcohol syndrome drunken babies while you're at it, too.

If only one partner is inebriated, then, yeah, it's definitely rape because the sober person is taking advantage of the situation as consent was not given. But I don't believe this is dependent upon gender. It could be the female taking advantage of a drunk guy, too, as unlikely as that seems. Or in gay and lesbian relations, the same gender, of course.

So says I...
2013-08-21 09:48:10 PM
1 votes:
A girl gets drunk and has sex and the guy goes to jail.

A girl gets drunk and drives she goes to jail.

Why is she held accountable in one situation and not the other?
2013-08-21 09:43:31 PM
1 votes:
In situations where both parties are more or less equally drunk and both lack the capacity to consent, has there ever been a case where both were convicted of (simultaneously) raping each other?  ...since, logically, that's' what would happen in a case of mutual-drunkenness.
2013-08-21 09:21:04 PM
1 votes:

Theaetetus: Warlordtrooper: Theaetetus: Warlordtrooper: vernonFL: I don't understand the outrage, obviously a lot of men don't understand that it is NOT okay and that it is in fact rape and that they can be arrested, charged prosecuted and convicted.

Yet a lot of women think its fine to have sex with a drunk man..

It's almost like you think you can make that statement without being called out.

When was the last time a woman was charged with rape for having sex with a drunk guy.... let alone convicted.

When was the last time a woman said what you claimed she said?

See, the way this works is you made a stupid strawman argument. I called you on it. Therefore, you have to put up or shut up. Trying to deflect and make me do your research for you is just stupid.


...I don't think that word means what you think it means.

/so stop misusing it.
2013-08-21 09:07:04 PM
1 votes:

J. Frank Parnell: penthesilea: Don't be that guy.
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I'd err on the side of caution on this issue.  If in doubt, get their phone number and call 'em when they're sober.

Ongoing consent now? Should we have a lawyer present to ask each minute?


That poster is amazing. It ups the ante with the "ongoing" consent yet mitigates this by showing that men can be victims too, which is really just lip service since the aggressor/victim dynamic is still clearly painted as masculine/feminine. So yes. Every single time. One way only.
2013-08-21 08:31:03 PM
1 votes:

penthesilea: Don't be that guy.
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I'd err on the side of caution on this issue.  If in doubt, get their phone number and call 'em when they're sober.


Ongoing consent now? Should we have a lawyer present to ask each minute?
2013-08-21 08:17:40 PM
1 votes:

Lando Lincoln: I've had sex with my ex when I was drunk. Never once did I call the cops on her the next morning. I believe in equality. If you say that women should not be prosecuted for having sex with intoxicated guys but guys should be prosecuted for having sex with intoxicated girls, then you're saying that men are superior and can stay in control of themselves even when intoxicated whereas women are inferior and cannot.


In a round about way they are saying that, but that's just a side effect of it always being the man's fault.

Banned on the Run: That's all well and good, but the feminist/wymyn's studies brigade has decreed that any amount of alcohol in a womyn means she can't give legal consent even if she verbally does so at the time of the rape sexual encounter. Their position is that a drunk woman is the same as a 12 year old in that they both lack capacity for consent.


I thought 'rape' had been diluted in definition until it was what a woman said it was when she said it. That means if she regretted her decision to have sex some time later even if she was the one who initiated and perused the sexual encounter it became rape.

I vaguely remember a study which counted a man buying a woman a drink somewhere on a scale of 'rape' as well.

Theaetetus: But this highlights a distinction between "incapacitated", and "drunk". The former is related to your capacity to consent, and is kinda the point. The latter is an ambiguous term encompassing everything from tipsy to blacked out to passed out to on the way to the ER. And the aforementioned scumbags will use the latter because they can imply that a girl was only tipsy while she was actually passed out.


Prohibitionists are constantly pushing the level of alcohol that defines being "drunk" lower and lower. Usually through an arbitrary BAC level which defines 'drunk driving' under the law. Even at the current 0.08 BAC it may be difficult to tell the other party is "drunk". At the proposed levels it will be 'had a beer with dinner'.
2013-08-21 08:09:18 PM
1 votes:
If having sex with an intoxicated woman is rape, I've done a fair bit of raping in my time. Most of them seemed to enjoy it, and none of them complained.

/rape
Bou
2013-08-21 08:02:27 PM
1 votes:
You wake up. You remember drinking heavily in the club last night, but after that, a blank. Next to you is another person who you don't recognise. It's clear you have had sex. When you sit up, the other person wakes and says "Oh god, my head, Who are you?". This person is clearly surprised but not angry, in fact seems just embarrassed.  You are in a relationship and your partner is likely to find out. Who got raped last night?
2013-08-21 07:42:56 PM
1 votes:

Tigger: Bou: Can anyone think of an activity other than sex where you are not held responsible for your actions because you are drunk? Throw up in a taxi? Your fault. Drive? Your fault. Text your mum saying you always hated her? Your fault. Rob a liquor store? Your fault. If someone has sex with you when you are passed out from alcohol, it's rape, the same as if you were roofied or smacked on the head with a bat. If you have sex with someone who you would never have shagged if you had been sober, then your judgement was impaired because YOU impaired it!  Accept the consequences and drink less next time.

Exactly. If you're drunk and you are murdered it's always the murderers fault. It's bullshiat.


Because all sex for women is exactly like being murdered ??  Have the feminists now ramped up their all sex is rape to all sex is murder now ? I did not get the memo .

Equality - Unless we get our feeling hurt, then you are a rapist
Bou
2013-08-21 07:32:26 PM
1 votes:
Tigger: If you are murdered it's always the murderers fault. I don't know why you brought being drunk into it, because it has no bearing.
2013-08-21 07:24:02 PM
1 votes:

ZeroCorpse: Look, dumbasses... If you live with her, if you've been dating for for a long time and have already had lots of sex with her, then this is a DIFFERENT question.

But if you don't know her, aren't dating her, on the first date, or if you've never had sex with her before and she has never given you prior consent to do it when she was intoxicated? You're a goddamned rapist at the worst, and a pathetic loser at best.

Impaired judgment = No consent. If you need your women to be drunk to get some, then you're pond scum who deserves the ass-pounding you're going to get when one of them finally presses charges.



No argument from me.  The thing about the outrage is that it was a perfectly harmless question.  It doesn't ask if it's OK to rape a passed out girl.  It is OK to have sex at the office Christmas party with the receptionist whose 3rd champagne gives her the courage and reduces her inhibition to allow her otherwise shy ass to come on to you.
2013-08-21 07:12:38 PM
1 votes:
Look, dumbasses... If you live with her, if you've been dating for for a long time and have already had lots of sex with her, then this is a DIFFERENT question.

But if you don't know her, aren't dating her, on the first date, or if you've never had sex with her before and she has never given you prior consent to do it when she was intoxicated? You're a goddamned rapist at the worst, and a pathetic loser at best.

Impaired judgment = No consent. If you need your women to be drunk to get some, then you're pond scum who deserves the ass-pounding you're going to get when one of them finally presses charges.
2013-08-21 06:48:24 PM
1 votes:

Theaetetus: Warlordtrooper: rickythepenguin: Warlordtrooper: When was the last time a woman was charged with rape for having sex with a drunk guy.... let alone convicted.

by that definition, i think my wife raped me the other day.

she did things, bro.  she did things.  i don't want to talk about it......she did things.  bad things.

But that's my point.

Woman having consensual sex with drunkmale = OK
Man having consensual sex with drunk female = rape.

This is a nice little lesson in how some people use words to mean different things, and why the law attempts to avoid such ambiguities. The word you're looking for is "incapacitated". Not "gosh, I had a couple beers and was hungover the next day, so that's legally the exact same as a chick who's passed out in her own vomit, right?"


Lol. Now who has the strawman. A woman does not have to be passed out in vomit to claim she was too intoxicated to consent.
2013-08-21 06:46:47 PM
1 votes:
His producers are obviously trying to find people who think this is OK.  At which point they would have been invited to his show so he could berate them.  Apparently, he wasn't outraged enough for some.
2013-08-21 06:44:46 PM
1 votes:

Theaetetus: MyRandomName: vernonFL: I don't understand the outrage, obviously a lot of men don't understand that it is NOT okay and that it is in fact rape and that they can be arrested, charged prosecuted and convicted.

The good ole feminist argument for equal rights but not responsibilities. Man drunk, consent. Woman drunk, no consent.

Note, Lando, that the one person who showed up to support your straw argument was actually an anti-feminist.


Lol. Are you actually arguing that thereis no disparity in legal cases depending on which sex is drunk? You are a naive one. Stick to misrepresenting patent law.
2013-08-21 06:36:07 PM
1 votes:
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That said, Louisiana Sitar Club has all the win needed for this thread
2013-08-21 06:28:54 PM
1 votes:

Theaetetus: r1niceboy: There's also the fact that it's rarely one party is drunk, and the other sober. Both are often past the point where they can no longer make rational decisions. Where do you draw the line?

Actually, that's quite common. See, e.g., the Roethlisberger bathroom incident. Or look up any of the research on Predator Theory or the interviews with admitted rapists - they specifically target victims who are incapacitated, while remaining sober or nearly sober.
In fact, it's quite rare for a situation to occur in which both parties are incapacitated - as Pam says, "you're pushing rope." Although, more likely, you're both passed out.

But this highlights a distinction between "incapacitated", and "drunk". The former is related to your capacity to consent, and is kinda the point. The latter is an ambiguous term encompassing everything from tipsy to blacked out to passed out to on the way to the ER. And the aforementioned scumbags will use the latter because they can imply that a girl was only tipsy while she was actually passed out.


True. Purported victims can also use this loose terminology when retroactively turning previous consensual sex into rape once the shame kicks in.
2013-08-21 06:24:58 PM
1 votes:

r1niceboy: There's also the fact that it's rarely one party is drunk, and the other sober. Both are often past the point where they can no longer make rational decisions. Where do you draw the line?


Actually, that's quite common. See, e.g., the Roethlisberger bathroom incident. Or look up any of the research on Predator Theory or the interviews with admitted rapists - they specifically target victims who are incapacitated, while remaining sober or nearly sober.
In fact, it's quite rare for a situation to occur in which both parties are incapacitated - as Pam says, "you're pushing rope." Although, more likely, you're both passed out.

But this highlights a distinction between "incapacitated", and "drunk". The former is related to your capacity to consent, and is kinda the point. The latter is an ambiguous term encompassing everything from tipsy to blacked out to passed out to on the way to the ER. And the aforementioned scumbags will use the latter because they can imply that a girl was only tipsy while she was actually passed out.
2013-08-21 06:23:16 PM
1 votes:

Theaetetus: And did the prosecutors determine that he was incapacitated?


isn't that kind of the problem? Its pretty easy to determine if the man had intercourse with the woman after the fact, but with alcohol its pretty hard to figure out how much he'd had to drink 48 hours later.
2013-08-21 06:20:36 PM
1 votes:

Egoy3k: No it's not OK for certain values of drunk.  What those values are and how you are supposed to measure them when you are also drunk is very hard to tell.  so you might as well just not try and figure it out and just not have sex tonight champ.

Also the scale slides depending on how often you've had sex with this person in the past.  My wife likes drunken sex as much as I do, but whats OK for a couple who has been having sex regularly for 10 years isn't really the same thing as a second date.  Really it's pretty obvious for non scumbags where to draw the line.


Yep. That's also why it's scumbags who keep attempting to blur this line in an attempt to excuse rape.
2013-08-21 06:17:52 PM
1 votes:
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2013-08-21 06:13:41 PM
1 votes:

Warlordtrooper: Theaetetus: Warlordtrooper: vernonFL: I don't understand the outrage, obviously a lot of men don't understand that it is NOT okay and that it is in fact rape and that they can be arrested, charged prosecuted and convicted.

Yet a lot of women think its fine to have sex with a drunk man..

It's almost like you think you can make that statement without being called out.

When was the last time a woman was charged with rape for having sex with a drunk guy.... let alone convicted.


When was the last time a woman said what you claimed she said?

See, the way this works is you made a stupid strawman argument. I called you on it. Therefore, you have to put up or shut up. Trying to deflect and make me do your research for you is just stupid.
2013-08-21 06:13:08 PM
1 votes:

rickythepenguin: Warlordtrooper: When was the last time a woman was charged with rape for having sex with a drunk guy.... let alone convicted.

by that definition, i think my wife raped me the other day.

she did things, bro.  she did things.  i don't want to talk about it......she did things.  bad things.


But that's my point.

Woman having consensual sex with drunk male = OK
Man having consensual sex with drunk female = rape.
2013-08-21 06:12:11 PM
1 votes:
swingerofbirches:

Why is it that we refer to adult women as girls, but the word boy always refers to a child?

I think it's kind of a way to keep women below men socially. Also probably has to do with sex, because men are afraid of unbridled mature female sexuality. They'd rather have an unexperienced hardbodied teen/twentysomething to use as a subhuman farkhole than have someone with a real personality to connect with and share true intimacy because that is frightening for a lot of insecure people. A lot of men are really insecure.
2013-08-21 06:11:38 PM
1 votes:

Warlordtrooper: When was the last time a woman was charged with rape for having sex with a drunk guy.... let alone convicted.


by that definition, i think my wife raped me the other day.

she did things, bro.  she did things.  i don't want to talk about it......she did things.  bad things.
2013-08-21 06:09:25 PM
1 votes:

Theaetetus: Warlordtrooper: vernonFL: I don't understand the outrage, obviously a lot of men don't understand that it is NOT okay and that it is in fact rape and that they can be arrested, charged prosecuted and convicted.

Yet a lot of women think its fine to have sex with a drunk man..

It's almost like you think you can make that statement without being called out.


When was the last time a woman was charged with rape for having sex with a drunk guy.... let alone convicted.
2013-08-21 06:08:33 PM
1 votes:
How else am I going to convince her to let me stick it in her pooper?
2013-08-21 06:06:49 PM
1 votes:
Imagine if the question had used the word "boy" instead of "girl."

Why is it that we refer to adult women as girls, but the word boy always refers to a child?

I guess we say guys, which goes with girls, when referring to adults.

Boys and girls=children

Guys and girls=adults

Guys and dolls=Fabulous!

Did I get it right?
2013-08-21 06:05:54 PM
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Lady, I mean, if you get drunk, oohkaaaaay, and you go to his apartment, right, and you give it up, ok, every which way, on your knees, on your back, the, how do i say this delicately for the viewers at home, ok, the "other" way, i mean, lady, you're more mixed up than a chinese fire drill at the old folks home, ok?  You're like, the bum steer chasin' hisself a gelded mule at the county fair, i mean, lady, do you even get what I'm saying?  I mean, i can put lipstick on a pig but that don't mean nothin' if the cat won't play the fiddle?  You're playin' mumbly-peg and I'm playin' chess, ok?  I mean, do you get what I'm gettin' at?
2013-08-21 06:04:47 PM
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vernonFL: I don't understand the outrage, obviously a lot of men don't understand that it is NOT okay and that it is in fact rape and that they can be arrested, charged prosecuted and convicted.


I suspect that most of the upset is because he should have simply said "that's not ok and is in fact rape" rather than presenting it as if it were a debatable subject. Asking a question like this makes it seem like there's room for discussion or "sure, go ahead, man" might actually be a defensible position. He has a pretty big, public platform, and this could be seen as misusing it (or not using it as well as he should be).
2013-08-21 06:03:08 PM
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Warlordtrooper: vernonFL: I don't understand the outrage, obviously a lot of men don't understand that it is NOT okay and that it is in fact rape and that they can be arrested, charged prosecuted and convicted.

Yet a lot of women think its fine to have sex with a drunk man.

/This question wouldn't get so much outrage.... let alone even get asked at all if you changed chick to man.


In fairness, I think the onus should be on whoever is doing the penetrating, regardless of gender, considering the basic mechanics of sex. Really, though, if you're in a situation where it's unclear whether consent is granted, you're doing it all kinds of wrong.
2013-08-21 06:02:45 PM
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Warlordtrooper: vernonFL: I don't understand the outrage, obviously a lot of men don't understand that it is NOT okay and that it is in fact rape and that they can be arrested, charged prosecuted and convicted.

Yet a lot of women think its fine to have sex with a drunk man..


It's almost like you think you can make that statement without being called out.
2013-08-21 05:58:39 PM
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vernonFL: I don't understand the outrage, obviously a lot of men don't understand that it is NOT okay and that it is in fact rape and that they can be arrested, charged prosecuted and convicted.


Yet a lot of women think its fine to have sex with a drunk man.

/This question wouldn't get so much outrage.... let alone even get asked at all if you changed chick to man.
2013-08-21 05:56:54 PM
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Were you having sex with her before she got drunk?
2013-08-21 05:55:42 PM
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Theaetetus: Lando Lincoln: Theaetetus: Have to wait to sign in on an alt? I understand.

Oh, come on now. You really think that nobody thinks this other than me?

I'm sure there was that one girl who told you that, we don't know her, she's from Canada.


Dr. Phil, for one, seems to think the problem only goes one way.
2013-08-21 05:53:46 PM
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Theaetetus: Lando Lincoln: I've had sex with my ex when I was drunk. Never once did I call the cops on her the next morning. I believe in equality. If you say that women should not be prosecuted for having sex with intoxicated guys but guys should be prosecuted for having sex with intoxicated girls, then you're saying that men are superior and can stay in control of themselves even when intoxicated whereas women are inferior and cannot.

Who's said this?

Bear in mind that the legal definition of intoxicated may be more than your "I shotgunned two beers, because with my fedora and chinbeard, I'm a wild man" level.


How about the judges and prosecutors when two drunk people have sex together and the guy is charged and/or convicted for rape but the woman is not? I'd think they might be an arguable answer to your question.
2013-08-21 05:51:36 PM
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vernonFL: I don't understand the outrage, obviously a lot of men don't understand that it is NOT okay and that it is in fact rape and that they can be arrested, charged prosecuted and convicted.


The good ole feminist argument for equal rights but not responsibilities. Man drunk, consent. Woman drunk, no consent.
2013-08-21 05:50:38 PM
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Giggly drunk yes if she agrees. If she comes onto you drunk hell yes. Slurring drunk no. Passed out drunk hell no!
2013-08-21 05:47:22 PM
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Dr. Phil raped Glenn Beck in 1990.
2013-08-21 05:42:44 PM
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If I was the one buying you drinks all night, then yes.
2013-08-21 05:40:27 PM
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Is this a trick question?
2013-08-21 05:40:08 PM
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Some of us don't have any other choice.
2013-08-21 05:39:22 PM
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The question isn't very nuanced. And this, like every other situation in life, isn't really black and white.

shiat-faced and on the verge of passing out/doesn't know where she is/who you are -- run far, far away.

Two drinks and kind of tipsy, but completely in control and able to enthusiastically consent? Fine, just be damn sure. Check in halfway through. Maybe even get it in writing.

Applies to all genders, imo.
2013-08-21 05:38:05 PM
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Methinks she protesteth too much.
2013-08-21 05:37:46 PM
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What if you get prior consent?
2013-08-21 05:10:16 PM
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Lando Lincoln: Theaetetus: Have to wait to sign in on an alt? I understand.

Oh, come on now. You really think that nobody thinks this other than me?


I'm sure there was that one girl who told you that, we don't know her, she's from Canada.
2013-08-21 04:22:27 PM
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Lando Lincoln: I've had sex with my ex when I was drunk. Never once did I call the cops on her the next morning. I believe in equality. If you say that women should not be prosecuted for having sex with intoxicated guys but guys should be prosecuted for having sex with intoxicated girls, then you're saying that men are superior and can stay in control of themselves even when intoxicated whereas women are inferior and cannot.


Who's said this?

Bear in mind that the legal definition of intoxicated may be more than your "I shotgunned two beers, because with my fedora and chinbeard, I'm a wild man" level.
 
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