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(Opposing Views)   In his latest effort to reduce the wow-factor associated with having a "Dr." in front of one's name, Dr. Phil asks: Is it cool to have sex with a drunk chick?   (opposingviews.com) divider line 160
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2013-08-21 03:59:49 PM  
I don't understand the outrage, obviously a lot of men don't understand that it is NOT okay and that it is in fact rape and that they can be arrested, charged prosecuted and convicted.
 
2013-08-21 04:06:11 PM  
I've had sex with my ex when I was drunk. Never once did I call the cops on her the next morning. I believe in equality. If you say that women should not be prosecuted for having sex with intoxicated guys but guys should be prosecuted for having sex with intoxicated girls, then you're saying that men are superior and can stay in control of themselves even when intoxicated whereas women are inferior and cannot.

If you're one of those types of people, male or female, that are going to really regret doing certain shiat the next morning, then don't get sloppy drunk.
 
2013-08-21 04:07:44 PM  
Everyone who's had drunken sex is either a rapist or a rape victim, depending on gender, didn't everyone learn that in freshman orientation?
 
2013-08-21 04:08:36 PM  

vernonFL: I don't understand the outrage, obviously a lot of men don't understand that it is NOT okay and that it is in fact rape and that they can be arrested, charged prosecuted and convicted.


Maybe he would've done a little better by saying "drunk person", as the same thing can happen to a guy.

I definitely agree it's not outrage-worthy though. It's asking a question. If he made the statement "It's perfectly ok to have sex with a drunk girl" then rage away.
 
2013-08-21 04:11:29 PM  
In other news, 40% of the population of Wisconsin to be charged with rape tomorrow.
 
2013-08-21 04:22:27 PM  

Lando Lincoln: I've had sex with my ex when I was drunk. Never once did I call the cops on her the next morning. I believe in equality. If you say that women should not be prosecuted for having sex with intoxicated guys but guys should be prosecuted for having sex with intoxicated girls, then you're saying that men are superior and can stay in control of themselves even when intoxicated whereas women are inferior and cannot.


Who's said this?

Bear in mind that the legal definition of intoxicated may be more than your "I shotgunned two beers, because with my fedora and chinbeard, I'm a wild man" level.
 
2013-08-21 04:43:09 PM  
Most women are quite clear they find it necessary to knock back a few prior to have sex with me.
 
2013-08-21 04:57:40 PM  

Theaetetus: Who's said this?


Give them a few minutes. They'll be here.
 
2013-08-21 05:02:15 PM  
The work "drunk" means different things to different people, so you have a meaningful discussion you have to define what level of "drunk chick" we're talking about.

Level 1 -- sings to Kelly Clarkson
Level 2  -- "Woohoo!  Vegas!!"
Level 3 -- makes out, sortof, with girlfriend
Level 4 -- "Has anyone seen my phone?"
Level 5 -- "Hold my hair."
Level 6 -- Zzzzzzzzz

The answers to Dr Phil's question are yes, yes, yes, maybe, no, and ew.
 
2013-08-21 05:07:09 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Theaetetus: Who's said this?

Give them a few minutes. They'll be here.


Have to wait to sign in on an alt? I understand.

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feminspire.com
 
2013-08-21 05:09:19 PM  

Theaetetus: Have to wait to sign in on an alt? I understand.


Oh, come on now. You really think that nobody thinks this other than me?
 
2013-08-21 05:10:16 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Theaetetus: Have to wait to sign in on an alt? I understand.

Oh, come on now. You really think that nobody thinks this other than me?


I'm sure there was that one girl who told you that, we don't know her, she's from Canada.
 
2013-08-21 05:12:14 PM  

Theaetetus: I'm sure there was that one girl who told you that, we don't know her, she's from Canada.


Brazil, actually.
 
2013-08-21 05:28:04 PM  
FTFA: Rios noted that victims, not rapists, should be the ones with a national platform in order to discuss solutions to tragedies like Steubenville.

It is incredibly important for victims to have such platforms. But a national conversation about alcohol, abuse and consent needs significant impulse from those who are neither victims nor perpetrators as well.
 
2013-08-21 05:36:29 PM  
If you listen to Dr. Phil, you'll get what you deserve.
 
2013-08-21 05:37:46 PM  
What if you get prior consent?
 
2013-08-21 05:38:05 PM  
Methinks she protesteth too much.
 
2013-08-21 05:39:22 PM  
The question isn't very nuanced. And this, like every other situation in life, isn't really black and white.

shiat-faced and on the verge of passing out/doesn't know where she is/who you are -- run far, far away.

Two drinks and kind of tipsy, but completely in control and able to enthusiastically consent? Fine, just be damn sure. Check in halfway through. Maybe even get it in writing.

Applies to all genders, imo.
 
2013-08-21 05:40:08 PM  
Some of us don't have any other choice.
 
2013-08-21 05:40:27 PM  
Is this a trick question?
 
2013-08-21 05:42:44 PM  
If I was the one buying you drinks all night, then yes.
 
2013-08-21 05:46:33 PM  

the_colors: The question isn't very nuanced. And this, like every other situation in life, isn't really black and white.

shiat-faced and on the verge of passing out/doesn't know where she is/who you are -- run far, far away.

Two drinks and kind of tipsy, but completely in control and able to enthusiastically consent? Fine, just be damn sure. Check in halfway through. Maybe even get it in writing.

Applies to all genders, imo.


This.
 
2013-08-21 05:47:22 PM  
Dr. Phil raped Glenn Beck in 1990.
 
2013-08-21 05:49:34 PM  
Am I drunk to have sex with a cool chick?

/yes, yes I am
 
2013-08-21 05:50:38 PM  
Giggly drunk yes if she agrees. If she comes onto you drunk hell yes. Slurring drunk no. Passed out drunk hell no!
 
2013-08-21 05:51:36 PM  

vernonFL: I don't understand the outrage, obviously a lot of men don't understand that it is NOT okay and that it is in fact rape and that they can be arrested, charged prosecuted and convicted.


The good ole feminist argument for equal rights but not responsibilities. Man drunk, consent. Woman drunk, no consent.
 
2013-08-21 05:53:46 PM  

Theaetetus: Lando Lincoln: I've had sex with my ex when I was drunk. Never once did I call the cops on her the next morning. I believe in equality. If you say that women should not be prosecuted for having sex with intoxicated guys but guys should be prosecuted for having sex with intoxicated girls, then you're saying that men are superior and can stay in control of themselves even when intoxicated whereas women are inferior and cannot.

Who's said this?

Bear in mind that the legal definition of intoxicated may be more than your "I shotgunned two beers, because with my fedora and chinbeard, I'm a wild man" level.


How about the judges and prosecutors when two drunk people have sex together and the guy is charged and/or convicted for rape but the woman is not? I'd think they might be an arguable answer to your question.
 
2013-08-21 05:53:54 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: Dr. Phil raped Glenn Beck in 1990.


yeah, but Glenn Beck was asking for it, wearing that dress and getting tipsy...I mean, just what did he think was going to happen at that Tea Party fundraiser acting like a sultry party bro?
 
2013-08-21 05:54:24 PM  

MyRandomName: vernonFL: I don't understand the outrage, obviously a lot of men don't understand that it is NOT okay and that it is in fact rape and that they can be arrested, charged prosecuted and convicted.

The good ole feminist argument for equal rights but not responsibilities. Man drunk, consent. Woman drunk, no consent.


Note, Lando, that the one person who showed up to support your straw argument was actually an anti-feminist.
 
2013-08-21 05:55:24 PM  

mongbiohazard: Theaetetus: Lando Lincoln: I've had sex with my ex when I was drunk. Never once did I call the cops on her the next morning. I believe in equality. If you say that women should not be prosecuted for having sex with intoxicated guys but guys should be prosecuted for having sex with intoxicated girls, then you're saying that men are superior and can stay in control of themselves even when intoxicated whereas women are inferior and cannot.

Who's said this?

Bear in mind that the legal definition of intoxicated may be more than your "I shotgunned two beers, because with my fedora and chinbeard, I'm a wild man" level.

How about the judges and prosecutors when two drunk people have sex together and the guy is charged and/or convicted for rape but the woman is not? I'd think they might be an arguable answer to your question.


And as soon as those mythical judges or prosecutors show up in this thread to admit they said that, or you can find an actual quotation from one of them, you'll have a point, Pumpkin.
 
2013-08-21 05:55:42 PM  

Theaetetus: Lando Lincoln: Theaetetus: Have to wait to sign in on an alt? I understand.

Oh, come on now. You really think that nobody thinks this other than me?

I'm sure there was that one girl who told you that, we don't know her, she's from Canada.


Dr. Phil, for one, seems to think the problem only goes one way.
 
2013-08-21 05:56:50 PM  
But how can a mortal man resist the heightened magnetism of a drunken strumpet?

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(p.s.  tonight where all meeting at The Drunk Strumpet)
 
2013-08-21 05:56:54 PM  
Were you having sex with her before she got drunk?
 
2013-08-21 05:58:38 PM  
She barely fought. She wanted it.
 
2013-08-21 05:58:39 PM  

vernonFL: I don't understand the outrage, obviously a lot of men don't understand that it is NOT okay and that it is in fact rape and that they can be arrested, charged prosecuted and convicted.


Yet a lot of women think its fine to have sex with a drunk man.

/This question wouldn't get so much outrage.... let alone even get asked at all if you changed chick to man.
 
2013-08-21 06:02:45 PM  

Warlordtrooper: vernonFL: I don't understand the outrage, obviously a lot of men don't understand that it is NOT okay and that it is in fact rape and that they can be arrested, charged prosecuted and convicted.

Yet a lot of women think its fine to have sex with a drunk man..


It's almost like you think you can make that statement without being called out.
 
2013-08-21 06:03:08 PM  

Warlordtrooper: vernonFL: I don't understand the outrage, obviously a lot of men don't understand that it is NOT okay and that it is in fact rape and that they can be arrested, charged prosecuted and convicted.

Yet a lot of women think its fine to have sex with a drunk man.

/This question wouldn't get so much outrage.... let alone even get asked at all if you changed chick to man.


In fairness, I think the onus should be on whoever is doing the penetrating, regardless of gender, considering the basic mechanics of sex. Really, though, if you're in a situation where it's unclear whether consent is granted, you're doing it all kinds of wrong.
 
2013-08-21 06:04:47 PM  

vernonFL: I don't understand the outrage, obviously a lot of men don't understand that it is NOT okay and that it is in fact rape and that they can be arrested, charged prosecuted and convicted.


I suspect that most of the upset is because he should have simply said "that's not ok and is in fact rape" rather than presenting it as if it were a debatable subject. Asking a question like this makes it seem like there's room for discussion or "sure, go ahead, man" might actually be a defensible position. He has a pretty big, public platform, and this could be seen as misusing it (or not using it as well as he should be).
 
2013-08-21 06:05:54 PM  
Lady, I mean, if you get drunk, oohkaaaaay, and you go to his apartment, right, and you give it up, ok, every which way, on your knees, on your back, the, how do i say this delicately for the viewers at home, ok, the "other" way, i mean, lady, you're more mixed up than a chinese fire drill at the old folks home, ok?  You're like, the bum steer chasin' hisself a gelded mule at the county fair, i mean, lady, do you even get what I'm saying?  I mean, i can put lipstick on a pig but that don't mean nothin' if the cat won't play the fiddle?  You're playin' mumbly-peg and I'm playin' chess, ok?  I mean, do you get what I'm gettin' at?
 
2013-08-21 06:06:49 PM  
Imagine if the question had used the word "boy" instead of "girl."

Why is it that we refer to adult women as girls, but the word boy always refers to a child?

I guess we say guys, which goes with girls, when referring to adults.

Boys and girls=children

Guys and girls=adults

Guys and dolls=Fabulous!

Did I get it right?
 
2013-08-21 06:08:33 PM  
How else am I going to convince her to let me stick it in her pooper?
 
2013-08-21 06:09:25 PM  

Theaetetus: Warlordtrooper: vernonFL: I don't understand the outrage, obviously a lot of men don't understand that it is NOT okay and that it is in fact rape and that they can be arrested, charged prosecuted and convicted.

Yet a lot of women think its fine to have sex with a drunk man..

It's almost like you think you can make that statement without being called out.


When was the last time a woman was charged with rape for having sex with a drunk guy.... let alone convicted.
 
2013-08-21 06:10:48 PM  

scottydoesntknow: vernonFL: I don't understand the outrage, obviously a lot of men don't understand that it is NOT okay and that it is in fact rape and that they can be arrested, charged prosecuted and convicted.

Maybe he would've done a little better by saying "drunk person", as the same thing can happen to a guy.

I definitely agree it's not outrage-worthy though. It's asking a question. If he made the statement "It's perfectly ok to have sex with a drunk girl" then rage away.


And in fact has. My friend got blindingly drunk one night (ok, several nights, but this one was bad) and ended up having sex with a pretty little brunette. Pretty girl cried rape the next day.

He would have been totally screwed and gone to the clink. You cannot win when the physical evidence says that you had sex with girl crying rape and everyone says she was drunk. Even if you couldn't stand unassisted, you will lose.

Fortunately for my friend, her romantic rival for another guy's affections (and the reason she felt guilty and cried rape) recorded a couple of minutes of her bouncing up and down on him, moaning happily about his 8", blah blah, very much emphasizing the fact that she was an enthusiastic participant.

He pretty much laid there from what I was told.

No, she was never charged. My friend almost went to jail for a decade (at least) and she skated without even a charge being filed against her.
 
2013-08-21 06:11:28 PM  
Absolute bullshiat.  There was no context to the question and everyone goes apeshiat.
My girlfriends would always get drunk and want to fark the shiat out of me, and not once did I end up in jail.
SO, yes, it is perfectly OK.

Is it OK to rape a drunk chick you picked up at a frat party.  Contextually speaking, proabably not.

This is the one time I am on Dr. Phil's side.
 
2013-08-21 06:11:38 PM  

Warlordtrooper: When was the last time a woman was charged with rape for having sex with a drunk guy.... let alone convicted.


by that definition, i think my wife raped me the other day.

she did things, bro.  she did things.  i don't want to talk about it......she did things.  bad things.
 
2013-08-21 06:12:11 PM  
swingerofbirches:

Why is it that we refer to adult women as girls, but the word boy always refers to a child?

I think it's kind of a way to keep women below men socially. Also probably has to do with sex, because men are afraid of unbridled mature female sexuality. They'd rather have an unexperienced hardbodied teen/twentysomething to use as a subhuman farkhole than have someone with a real personality to connect with and share true intimacy because that is frightening for a lot of insecure people. A lot of men are really insecure.
 
2013-08-21 06:13:08 PM  

rickythepenguin: Warlordtrooper: When was the last time a woman was charged with rape for having sex with a drunk guy.... let alone convicted.

by that definition, i think my wife raped me the other day.

she did things, bro.  she did things.  i don't want to talk about it......she did things.  bad things.


But that's my point.

Woman having consensual sex with drunk male = OK
Man having consensual sex with drunk female = rape.
 
2013-08-21 06:13:41 PM  

Warlordtrooper: Theaetetus: Warlordtrooper: vernonFL: I don't understand the outrage, obviously a lot of men don't understand that it is NOT okay and that it is in fact rape and that they can be arrested, charged prosecuted and convicted.

Yet a lot of women think its fine to have sex with a drunk man..

It's almost like you think you can make that statement without being called out.

When was the last time a woman was charged with rape for having sex with a drunk guy.... let alone convicted.


When was the last time a woman said what you claimed she said?

See, the way this works is you made a stupid strawman argument. I called you on it. Therefore, you have to put up or shut up. Trying to deflect and make me do your research for you is just stupid.
 
2013-08-21 06:14:54 PM  
People still pay attention to Dr. Phil?
 
2013-08-21 06:16:45 PM  

inglixthemad: No, she was never charged. My friend almost went to jail for a decade (at least) and she skated without even a charge being filed against her.


Did your friend encourage them to bring charges? And did the prosecutors determine that he was incapacitated? Is the answer to both of those 'no'?

'Cause here's the thing, if your friend was incapacitated, then there's no chance he'd have gone to jail. And if he wasn't incapacitated, then they have no grounds to bring charges against her.
 
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