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2013-08-21 06:53:42 PM  

Dwindle: discgolfguru: ElLoco: AirForceVet: Who uses copper for their plumbing anymore? I use titanium.

PEX. Almost every new home built now uses PEX line. The line is pretty amazing, but if cheap fittings are used, the whole thing is trash. Don't skimp on the fittings.

[www.modmyrv.com image 207x154]

Anytime I have to replace plumbing now, I use PEX. Couldn't be happier with it so far.

Just avoid plastic fittings, they snap like pretzels. Also, PEX degrades in sunlight, so keep that in mind.
If anyone questions the strength of PEX, show them you can literally tow a car with the stuff.


I've towed a car with a heavy-duty extension cord too. That demonstration means nothing regarding holding the pressure  from inside.

Haven't tried it, but my money's on being able to make a tow apparatus out of duct tape, and that don't do bumblefark for plumbing.
 
2013-08-21 06:58:35 PM  
 
2013-08-21 07:01:01 PM  

PainfulItching: Dwindle: discgolfguru: ElLoco: AirForceVet: Who uses copper for their plumbing anymore? I use titanium.

PEX. Almost every new home built now uses PEX line. The line is pretty amazing, but if cheap fittings are used, the whole thing is trash. Don't skimp on the fittings.

[www.modmyrv.com image 207x154]

Anytime I have to replace plumbing now, I use PEX. Couldn't be happier with it so far.

Just avoid plastic fittings, they snap like pretzels. Also, PEX degrades in sunlight, so keep that in mind.
If anyone questions the strength of PEX, show them you can literally tow a car with the stuff.

I've towed a car with a heavy-duty extension cord too. That demonstration means nothing regarding holding the pressure  from inside.

Haven't tried it, but my money's on being able to make a tow apparatus out of duct tape, and that don't do bumblefark for plumbing.


I've never seen Pex burst, even when frozen (although it will develop permanent bulges). It's rated for 100 psi, but I'm sure it would handle double that.
 
2013-08-21 07:13:28 PM  
I've been drinking fines for years and I'm  copper.
 
2013-08-21 07:14:43 PM  

Dwindle: 8Fingers:

Link?

Can't find it off hand. Here's a 5 port.

http://www.lifeandhome.com/zurn-qk5p-plastic-manifold-with-valves-5- po rt.html?gclid=CIKVtbPRj7kCFcme4AodRmQAyw


Thanks, will have to find that. I want to fix my leaky kithchen faucet, maybe replace it. With that I can shut off my water without effecting anybody else. Owner won't mind, it'll be an upgrade.
 
2013-08-21 07:15:12 PM  

PainfulItching: Dwindle: discgolfguru: ElLoco: AirForceVet: Who uses copper for their plumbing anymore? I use titanium.

PEX. Almost every new home built now uses PEX line. The line is pretty amazing, but if cheap fittings are used, the whole thing is trash. Don't skimp on the fittings.

[www.modmyrv.com image 207x154]

Anytime I have to replace plumbing now, I use PEX. Couldn't be happier with it so far.

Just avoid plastic fittings, they snap like pretzels. Also, PEX degrades in sunlight, so keep that in mind.
If anyone questions the strength of PEX, show them you can literally tow a car with the stuff.

I've towed a car with a heavy-duty extension cord too. That demonstration means nothing regarding holding the pressure  from inside.

Haven't tried it, but my money's on being able to make a tow apparatus out of duct tape, and that don't do bumblefark for plumbing.


Clearly you don't understand the wonder that is duct tape.

/If you can't duck it...
//Buying old cars to restore often leads to finding wonderful duct-tape uses.
 
2013-08-21 07:18:40 PM  
I was going to submit a BBC link on this over the weekend, but I couldn't make heads or tails of whether copper was good or bad.  And have they settled the aluminum thing yet, either?
 
2013-08-21 07:23:47 PM  
As a plumber, I'm getting a kick out of these replies...

...seriously. I'm a real plumber. 9 months away from Commercial Journeyman.

In all seriousness, copper is still tops for water piping, with PEX being a really close 2nd (with cost usually determining which you choose). Copper pipes means cleaner and crisper water. If you must where a tinfoil hat, add a filtration system or just buy a cheap Brita filter that fits right onto your kitchen sink. I cannot tell you how many repipes I'm doing right now from nasty galvanized to copper/PEX. The gunk in those galvy pipes would make you wretch.
 
2013-08-21 07:32:49 PM  

Tchernobog: PainfulItching: Dwindle: discgolfguru: ElLoco: AirForceVet: Who uses copper for their plumbing anymore? I use titanium.

PEX. Almost every new home built now uses PEX line. The line is pretty amazing, but if cheap fittings are used, the whole thing is trash. Don't skimp on the fittings.

[www.modmyrv.com image 207x154]

Anytime I have to replace plumbing now, I use PEX. Couldn't be happier with it so far.

Just avoid plastic fittings, they snap like pretzels. Also, PEX degrades in sunlight, so keep that in mind.
If anyone questions the strength of PEX, show them you can literally tow a car with the stuff.

I've towed a car with a heavy-duty extension cord too. That demonstration means nothing regarding holding the pressure  from inside.

Haven't tried it, but my money's on being able to make a tow apparatus out of duct tape, and that don't do bumblefark for plumbing.

Clearly you don't understand the wonder that is duct tape.

/If you can't duck it...
//Buying old cars to restore often leads to finding wonderful duct-tape uses.


Oh, I'm quite familiar with myriad uses of duct tape. Also once fixed a fuel line that left me stranded on the Katy Freeway west of Houston with an old McDonald's straw and some electrical tape. Got me to the nearest NAPA.

/ yeah, I'm farkin McGyver.
 
2013-08-21 07:38:59 PM  
Someone please tell Bubbles from "The Wire" that copper futures are drying up and he needs to diversify.
 
2013-08-21 07:42:11 PM  

harlock: Pretty much everyone is using pex now.  No more hard lines.


what about in commercial building?
 
2013-08-21 07:42:49 PM  
Copper: it costs money because it saves money.
 
2013-08-21 07:43:42 PM  
I for one, welcome or Cu overlords.

Cu and plastic has stopped any of my little guys from getting the big score!

/she's getting it out today
//latex, for the loss :(
 
2013-08-21 07:44:55 PM  

PainfulItching: Dwindle: discgolfguru: ElLoco: AirForceVet: Who uses copper for their plumbing anymore? I use titanium.

PEX. Almost every new home built now uses PEX line. The line is pretty amazing, but if cheap fittings are used, the whole thing is trash. Don't skimp on the fittings.

[www.modmyrv.com image 207x154]

Anytime I have to replace plumbing now, I use PEX. Couldn't be happier with it so far.

Just avoid plastic fittings, they snap like pretzels. Also, PEX degrades in sunlight, so keep that in mind.
If anyone questions the strength of PEX, show them you can literally tow a car with the stuff.

I've towed a car with a heavy-duty extension cord too. That demonstration means nothing regarding holding the pressure  from inside.

Haven't tried it, but my money's on being able to make a tow apparatus out of duct tape, and that don't do bumblefark for plumbing.


I've tested PEX at 200 psi..to pass inspection here in Washington it needs to hold at 50. I think you'll be ok Mr. Scrappy.
 
2013-08-21 07:51:21 PM  
I've been copping feels off crackheads for years and I've paid fines.
 
2013-08-21 08:00:17 PM  

ElLoco: AirForceVet: Who uses copper for their plumbing anymore? I use titanium.

PEX. Almost every new home built now uses PEX line. The line is pretty amazing, but if cheap fittings are used, the whole thing is trash. Don't skimp on the fittings.

[www.modmyrv.com image 207x154]


When did PEX begin widespread use?  From what I've seen of it, it's great stuff, but chances are most houses older than the last 13 years or so don't have it unless they've been retrofitted.
 
2013-08-21 08:01:02 PM  

Fade2black: PainfulItching: Dwindle: discgolfguru: ElLoco: AirForceVet: Who uses copper for their plumbing anymore? I use titanium.

PEX. Almost every new home built now uses PEX line. The line is pretty amazing, but if cheap fittings are used, the whole thing is trash. Don't skimp on the fittings.

[www.modmyrv.com image 207x154]

Anytime I have to replace plumbing now, I use PEX. Couldn't be happier with it so far.

Just avoid plastic fittings, they snap like pretzels. Also, PEX degrades in sunlight, so keep that in mind.
If anyone questions the strength of PEX, show them you can literally tow a car with the stuff.

I've towed a car with a heavy-duty extension cord too. That demonstration means nothing regarding holding the pressure  from inside.

Haven't tried it, but my money's on being able to make a tow apparatus out of duct tape, and that don't do bumblefark for plumbing.

I've tested PEX at 200 psi..to pass inspection here in Washington it needs to hold at 50. I think you'll be ok Mr. Scrappy.


I wasn't saying that the stuff wasn't any good, I was just pointing out that the tow test wasn't a pressure test. And all of the stuff that keep cropping up about any plastic/polymer products many years after the fact... I'm just saying.
 
2013-08-21 08:06:26 PM  

PainfulItching: Fade2black: PainfulItching: Dwindle: discgolfguru: ElLoco: AirForceVet: Who uses copper for their plumbing anymore? I use titanium.

PEX. Almost every new home built now uses PEX line. The line is pretty amazing, but if cheap fittings are used, the whole thing is trash. Don't skimp on the fittings.

[www.modmyrv.com image 207x154]

Anytime I have to replace plumbing now, I use PEX. Couldn't be happier with it so far.

Just avoid plastic fittings, they snap like pretzels. Also, PEX degrades in sunlight, so keep that in mind.
If anyone questions the strength of PEX, show them you can literally tow a car with the stuff.

I've towed a car with a heavy-duty extension cord too. That demonstration means nothing regarding holding the pressure  from inside.

Haven't tried it, but my money's on being able to make a tow apparatus out of duct tape, and that don't do bumblefark for plumbing.

I've tested PEX at 200 psi..to pass inspection here in Washington it needs to hold at 50. I think you'll be ok Mr. Scrappy.

I wasn't saying that the stuff wasn't any good, I was just pointing out that the tow test wasn't a pressure test. And all of the stuff that keep cropping up about any plastic/polymer products many years after the fact... I'm just saying.


I've run PEX for 7 years now. Never a problem. Retrofits, remodels, new homes; the stuff is solid. The only problem is if the drywallers snag a line that hasn't been properly nail plated. Otherwise the stuff will last for decades.
 
2013-08-21 08:13:57 PM  
I've got pex on a 15 year old boat. Pinhole after pinhole in the hot water circuit, it's very frustrating.
 
2013-08-21 08:15:37 PM  
News flash, increasing concentrations of heavy metals (or anything really) in the body has detrimental effect.

Well Duh
 
2013-08-21 08:17:17 PM  

SheltemDragon: News flash, increasing concentrations of heavy metals (or anything really) in the body has detrimental effect.

Well Duh


But those atoms are immortal, aren't they?
 
2013-08-21 08:18:10 PM  
Drinking the water is bad, drinking milk is bad, the government is listening to phone calls, and video games are good for you.

So I guess it turns out my parents were liars
 
2013-08-21 08:23:04 PM  

JonZoidberg: ElLoco: AirForceVet: Who uses copper for their plumbing anymore? I use titanium.

PEX. Almost every new home built now uses PEX line. The line is pretty amazing, but if cheap fittings are used, the whole thing is trash. Don't skimp on the fittings.

[www.modmyrv.com image 207x154]

When did PEX begin widespread use?  From what I've seen of it, it's great stuff, but chances are most houses older than the last 13 years or so don't have it unless they've been retrofitted.


Um... I don't remember. I started using it in what seems like the mid-90s. Or so. It was only available in the opaque white color at the time. It was around about the time that the Feds banned the use of gray butyl lines for pretty much anything because the lines and fittings were shiat and ran up monster insurance bills for leaks. Mobile homes and RVs, in particular, had butyl lines. PEX was the replacement.

It became prevalent in housing construction gradually after that, but really took hold in the mid-2000s after enough people had guinea pigged it and found it to be a superior replacement to most all potable water plumbing. I would be comfortable running it most anywhere that it isn't exposed to direct flame or daily indirect sunlight. If you use the brass fittings and copper alloy compression rings, it can freeze solid repeatedly (although obviously you don't want it freezing repeatedly) and be just fine. The plastic fittings will crack when frozen, or looked at wrong, and the 'shark bite' type 0-ring fittings can release the line with repeated freezing. Otherwise, the sharkbites are fine, except that the o-ring itself inside the fitting becomes the weak point in the plumbing when you use them.
 
2013-08-21 08:28:44 PM  

Fade2black: As a plumber, I'm getting a kick out of these replies...

...seriously. I'm a real plumber. 9 months away from Commercial Journeyman.

In all seriousness, copper is still tops for water piping, with PEX being a really close 2nd (with cost usually determining which you choose). Copper pipes means cleaner and crisper water. If you must where a tinfoil hat, add a filtration system or just buy a cheap Brita filter that fits right onto your kitchen sink. I cannot tell you how many repipes I'm doing right now from nasty galvanized to copper/PEX. The gunk in those galvy pipes would make you wretch.


I'm also guessing replacing the twenty metres of pipe between the main and the faucet wouldn't do much to change the five kilometres of copper pipe between my house and the plant.
 
2013-08-21 08:33:33 PM  

Maul555: Stainless steel is still alright, right?


Umm, kinda - SS is full of nickel and the effects probably won't be fully known until we replace all our pipes with it. Titanium might be a good choice, but a little pricy. I was looking at SS hip flasks for about $7, and titanium for over $100.
I stopped cooking with aluminum to stop my joint/muscle tightness. It worked for me. At 50, I move around now about the same as I did at 30 - no more groaning just bending over. I didn't wake up tight in the morning, even after doing something strenuous the day before. Still stiff, fortunately. Almost gave it up when it started coming back; I found the wife started using an aluminum strainer - now I'm almost as bad as a ex-smoker.

/I was a couch potato at 30.
//regularly check the wife's cupboards.
 
2013-08-21 08:34:30 PM  

Flakeloaf: Fade2black: As a plumber, I'm getting a kick out of these replies...

...seriously. I'm a real plumber. 9 months away from Commercial Journeyman.

In all seriousness, copper is still tops for water piping, with PEX being a really close 2nd (with cost usually determining which you choose). Copper pipes means cleaner and crisper water. If you must where a tinfoil hat, add a filtration system or just buy a cheap Brita filter that fits right onto your kitchen sink. I cannot tell you how many repipes I'm doing right now from nasty galvanized to copper/PEX. The gunk in those galvy pipes would make you wretch.

I'm also guessing replacing the twenty metres of pipe between the main and the faucet wouldn't do much to change the five kilometres of copper pipe between my house and the plant.


Whatever it's made of, if it's 5k long, it isn't copper. Depending on the age, it's probably PVC or cast iron.
 
2013-08-21 08:45:09 PM  
It will be a great day for the Ironic tag when "daily vitamin" pills are found to be the cause of the scariest of all diseases.
 
2013-08-21 08:50:07 PM  
My dad's dad died of Alzheimers and my dad is going loopy already. I think I'll just continue to eat and drink whatever the fark I want and not worry about living to a ripe old, demented, age.
 
2013-08-21 08:53:34 PM  
After 3 leaks with copper in 12 months, we repiped with PEX. Now my wife doesn't run around the house with a moisture meter looking for wet drywall. Stopping that was worth the 7k.
 
gja
2013-08-21 08:54:51 PM  

An Epic of Epic Epicness: Copper: it costs money because it saves money.


"And that's all I'm saying....."
i1.ytimg.com
 
2013-08-21 08:57:10 PM  
I only drink rain water that is caught in a 10,000 year old clay cistern so I am really getting a kick out of these replies.
 
gja
2013-08-21 09:01:05 PM  

relaxitsjustme: I only drink rain water that is caught in a 10,000 year old clay cistern so I am really getting a kick out of these replies.


These guys LOVE your cistern, and frequent it daily.
upload.wikimedia.org

Enjoy your drink......
 
2013-08-21 09:15:00 PM  
It's not the copper, pvc, pex, or cast iron that will get you, it's the fluoridated water.

It's incredibly obvious, isn't it?  A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual, and certainly without any choice.
 
2013-08-21 09:22:41 PM  

ElLoco: AirForceVet: Who uses copper for their plumbing anymore? I use titanium.

PEX. Almost every new home built now uses PEX line. The line is pretty amazing, but if cheap fittings are used, the whole thing is trash. Don't skimp on the fittings.

[www.modmyrv.com image 207x154]


GOD NO!  Don't go cheap on the fittings.  Buy the stainless and get a decent crimper and practice a bit if you're unsure how this is going to go.
Or go cheap and do it again, standing in the water. Your choice
 
2013-08-21 09:24:21 PM  
Here in St. Louis, most pipes coming from the main to the house are lead (if your house is over 30 years old).  However, the water is so hard that after a few weeks, there's a coating on the inside of the lead pipe and it tests 0.000 ppm.
 
2013-08-21 09:25:05 PM  

relaxitsjustme: I only drink rain water that is caught in a 10,000 year old clay cistern so I am really getting a kick out of these replies.


www.popbunker.net
 
2013-08-21 09:30:00 PM  

AGremlin: It's not the copper, pvc, pex, or cast iron that will get you, it's the fluoridated water.

It's incredibly obvious, isn't it?  A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual, and certainly without any choice.


^^^ This is what happens when the copper starts to melt your brain.
 
2013-08-21 09:33:04 PM  

Jument: AGremlin: It's not the copper, pvc, pex, or cast iron that will get you, it's the fluoridated water.

It's incredibly obvious, isn't it?  A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual, and certainly without any choice.

^^^ This is what happens when the copper starts to melt your brain.


^^^Obviously not a Dr. Strangelove fan.
 
2013-08-21 09:35:21 PM  

Flakeloaf: I'm also guessing replacing the twenty metres of pipe between the main and the faucet wouldn't do much to change the five kilometres of copper pipe between my house and the plant.


Possibly.  The water in the pipes between your house and the water treatment plant is constantly flowing due to other people using it.  The water in the pipes in  your home can sit for hours.   So, I'd say the water in your house has far longer contact with the house pipes despite those pipes being significantly shorter.
 
2013-08-21 09:36:27 PM  
I don't even want to know what my pipes are, the house is 50 years old.  I know I have at least one short piece of lead pipe on my pool plumbing.
 
2013-08-21 09:53:53 PM  

Apik0r0s: relaxitsjustme: I only drink rain water that is caught in a 10,000 year old clay cistern so I am really getting a kick out of these replies.

[www.popbunker.net image 300x227]


Died from lead poisoning.
 
2013-08-21 11:44:54 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: Broktun: Isn't the solder used lead??

Isn't the pipes coming up the street lead?

Lead solder hasn't been available for at least 30 years, it went out with lead paint.  If you need some I still have a spool though because, you never know when you'll need it!

Your water main in the street is almost certainly cast iron.  The pipe leading from the street to the house may be lead, but that went out in the 40s or 50s, so if your house was built after that it's most likely copper and not lead.  It's easy enough to tell what your water service is made from.  If it's copper colored, there's a good chance it's copper.  If it's gray and you can scratch it with your thumbnail it's probably lead.


I'm a technician in the navy and all of our solder certainly contains lead (and some of our paint too).
 
2013-08-21 11:45:47 PM  

PainfulItching: Tchernobog: PainfulItching: Dwindle: discgolfguru: ElLoco: AirForceVet: Who uses copper for their plumbing anymore? I use titanium.

PEX. Almost every new home built now uses PEX line. The line is pretty amazing, but if cheap fittings are used, the whole thing is trash. Don't skimp on the fittings.

[www.modmyrv.com image 207x154]

Anytime I have to replace plumbing now, I use PEX. Couldn't be happier with it so far.

Just avoid plastic fittings, they snap like pretzels. Also, PEX degrades in sunlight, so keep that in mind.
If anyone questions the strength of PEX, show them you can literally tow a car with the stuff.

I've towed a car with a heavy-duty extension cord too. That demonstration means nothing regarding holding the pressure  from inside.

Haven't tried it, but my money's on being able to make a tow apparatus out of duct tape, and that don't do bumblefark for plumbing.

Clearly you don't understand the wonder that is duct tape.

/If you can't duck it...
//Buying old cars to restore often leads to finding wonderful duct-tape uses.

Oh, I'm quite familiar with myriad uses of duct tape. Also once fixed a fuel line that left me stranded on the Katy Freeway west of Houston with an old McDonald's straw and some electrical tape. Got me to the nearest NAPA.

/ yeah, I'm farkin McGyver.


I tied up my broken muffler once with a pair of pantyhose, got to Grandmas house before the police ticketed me.  What does that make me?

And relevant to the thread, seeing lots more PEX used in high vandal cities like Chicago, Pittsburgh, etc.  It works and is about 1/10 the cost of copper piping.
 
2013-08-22 12:02:50 AM  
This is just great.  You print this article while my floor is torn up to remove galvanized and install copper.  Oh well, my little town was in Fark awhile back because of the uranium in the water. And the yearly water test shows copper in the water.  I'm farked no matter what and I'm typing this by telekinesis.
 
2013-08-22 12:59:21 AM  

indy_kid: My thought as well, as having an aluminum pot/pan set was supposed to be one of the big signs of status in the 1920s/30s. So, everyone who used those as kids is coming up with Alz now.


Off hand, I remember reading that in raw numbers there are more demented old people, but as a percentage of old people the rate is actually going down. As for Aluminum I have problems with the dementia aluminum theory since aluminum salts are utter ubiquitous in nature.

relaxitsjustme: I only drink rain water that is caught in a 10,000 year old clay cistern so I am really getting a kick out of these replies.


My grandfather's family drank mostly rain water, none of them had teeth by the time they were forty, and the ladies all serious osteoporosis.
 
2013-08-22 01:19:27 AM  

pedobearapproved: just came in to say I've been drinking water from copper pipes for years, and I'm fine


Too fast. 5 minute intervals next time
 
2013-08-22 01:22:18 AM  

indy_kid: SecretAgentWoman: I thought it was aluminum that caused Alzheimer's.

My thought as well, as having an aluminum pot/pan set was supposed to be one of the big signs of status in the 1920s/30s.  So, everyone who used those as kids is coming up with Alz now.

Wonder what bizarre ailments we Boomers will have from all the chemicals put into the market during the 1950s/60s/70s?  Guess those smelly hippies and their iron cookware might have been on to something.


But too much iron can damage the liver.
 
2013-08-22 01:26:58 AM  
Cu futures are going to suffer a loss on the stock market and bottled water sales will increase.
 
2013-08-22 01:51:42 AM  
 
2013-08-22 02:00:28 AM  
Thank Dog it's not  cyclamates!
My grandma told me cranberries are poisonous too.
From now on do not eat or drink or breath ANYTHING!
Except for whiskey, drink as much as you can and die happy reading Fark
http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/95dec/lead/hencran.htm
 
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