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2013-08-21 04:15:17 PM
Well I don't remember my name no more
Neither does my daddy or his daddy before
And Grandaddy thinks he's in the war
Korea, WWII...who can tell any more
He'd buy a hundred pounds of axle grease
Put it in the fridge and call the police.
Now the doctor said he couldn't drive no more,
He just called the doctor a whore
Don't know what it's called but I've been told
We've been spending too much time in front of the copper-top stove
 
2013-08-21 04:37:26 PM
cdn-static.cnet.co.uk

Find out how deep the rabbit hole goes...
 
2013-08-21 05:06:46 PM
I thought it was aluminum that caused Alzheimer's.

So, no aluminum pans, no aluminum foil, now no copper pans, copper pipes.

We've got to go 100% PVC for everything. OH wait...

/we're all gonna die
//is tin foil safe?
 
2013-08-21 05:14:24 PM

SecretAgentWoman: //is tin foil safe?


Of course not since they apparently don't make foil out of tin anymore.
 
2013-08-21 05:38:12 PM
I've been drinking water from copper pipes for years, and I'm fine
 
2013-08-21 05:39:44 PM
I've been drinking water from copper pipes for years, and I'm fine.

Why does this look so familiar?
 
2013-08-21 05:40:33 PM
just came in to say I've been drinking water from copper pipes for years, and I'm fine
 
2013-08-21 05:41:05 PM
just call over some meth addicts, they'll get that copper pipe out for you no problem
 
2013-08-21 05:44:19 PM
Aluminum wasn't safe but is safe again until it isn't, so, go long on Alcoa.  Or don't.
 
2013-08-21 05:44:51 PM
Who uses copper for their plumbing anymore? I use titanium.
 
2013-08-21 05:46:38 PM
My favorite pizza place has copper pipes because they claim it makes the dough taste better.  I personally think it's the billionty degrees the coal oven puts out.

/too good to stop eating
//Grimaldi's
 
2013-08-21 05:47:26 PM
I've been drinking copper for years, and I'm just fine.
 
2013-08-21 05:48:17 PM
PVC sure as hell isn't going to be safer.
 
2013-08-21 05:48:32 PM
pedobearapproved: I've been drinking water from copper pipes for years, and I'm fine.

Why does this look so familiar?


Its like Deja Vu all over again.
 
2013-08-21 05:49:57 PM
Someone's been using lead pipes?
 
2013-08-21 05:50:26 PM
i'm surprised they have used copper for so long. they switched from lead to copper because it kills you slower.
everyone knows if you put a fire to it, make that pipe out of brass.
 
2013-08-21 05:50:30 PM

AirForceVet: Who uses copper for their plumbing anymore? I use titanium.


PEX. Almost every new home built now uses PEX line. The line is pretty amazing, but if cheap fittings are used, the whole thing is trash. Don't skimp on the fittings.

www.modmyrv.com
 
2013-08-21 05:50:57 PM

SecretAgentWoman: I thought it was aluminum that caused Alzheimer's.


My thought as well, as having an aluminum pot/pan set was supposed to be one of the big signs of status in the 1920s/30s.  So, everyone who used those as kids is coming up with Alz now.

Wonder what bizarre ailments we Boomers will have from all the chemicals put into the market during the 1950s/60s/70s?  Guess those smelly hippies and their iron cookware might have been on to something.
 
2013-08-21 05:54:55 PM
Viaduct?
 
2013-08-21 05:55:03 PM

indy_kid: SecretAgentWoman: I thought it was aluminum that caused Alzheimer's.

My thought as well, as having an aluminum pot/pan set was supposed to be one of the big signs of status in the 1920s/30s.  So, everyone who used those as kids is coming up with Alz now.

Wonder what bizarre ailments we Boomers will have from all the chemicals put into the market during the 1950s/60s/70s?  Guess those smelly hippies and their iron cookware might have been on to something.



Myth 4: Drinking out of aluminum cans or cooking in aluminum pots and pans can lead to Alzheimer's disease.
Reality: During the 1960s and 1970s, aluminum emerged as a possible suspect in Alzheimer's. This suspicion led to concern about exposure to aluminum through everyday sources such as pots and pans, beverage cans, antacids and antiperspirants. Since then, studies have failed to confirm any role for aluminum in causing Alzheimer's. Experts today focus on other areas of research, and few believe that everyday sources of aluminum pose any threat.


http://www.alz.org/alzheimers_disease_myths_about_alzheimers.asp
 
2013-08-21 05:56:24 PM

SecretAgentWoman: I thought it was aluminum that caused Alzheimer's.

So, no aluminum pans, no aluminum foil, now no copper pans, copper pipes.

We've got to go 100% PVC for everything. OH wait...

/we're all gonna die
//is tin foil safe?


Exactly.I have completely opted out of much of the main stream media (and I don't really like that term but I think it gets my point across) not because of political bias but for the constant ringing of the alarmist bell and shoddy science reporting.

My life is that little bit less stressful for not having the constant drone of "BAD shiat IS HAPPENING TO YOU AND YOUR KIDS" everyday.
 
2013-08-21 05:57:54 PM
I've been drinking out of copper for years, and I'm just fine
 
2013-08-21 05:58:28 PM
I've been drinking water from copper pipes for years, and I'm fine
 
2013-08-21 05:58:40 PM
The bad news is the copper has given me Alzheimers. The good news is I'll never suffer from the Alzheimers because I have cancer and six months to live.
 
2013-08-21 06:01:21 PM
Isn't the solder used lead??

Isn't the pipes coming up the street lead?
 
2013-08-21 06:03:29 PM

ElLoco: AirForceVet: Who uses copper for their plumbing anymore? I use titanium.

PEX. Almost every new home built now uses PEX line. The line is pretty amazing, but if cheap fittings are used, the whole thing is trash. Don't skimp on the fittings.

[www.modmyrv.com image 207x154]


Anytime I have to replace plumbing now, I use PEX. Couldn't be happier with it so far.
 
2013-08-21 06:04:16 PM
farm7.staticflickr.com
crap
 
2013-08-21 06:05:30 PM
Maybe I should stop replacing my (80 year old) rusted galvanized pipe with copper.  Or not, I kind of like the part where the new copper doesn't suddenly split open at 2 AM.
 
2013-08-21 06:05:53 PM
And yet just yesterday I read the same story, but they stated that there were other studies that says copper REDUCES the chance of getting Alzheimers.
And yeah, PVC sucks!
 
2013-08-21 06:07:59 PM
Why is this news in 2013? It wasn't news in 2004, when I co-authored a paper that reported similar results.
 
2013-08-21 06:09:31 PM
I wish alzheimers research could get more than just 1/10 the funding that HIV does. Despite having 500% more people in the U.S. with alzheimers vs. HIV, and no clear method of prevention for alzheimers (other than die young). Unfortunately our science is overly politicized.
 
2013-08-21 06:11:13 PM
I've been drinking for years, and the coppers keep giving me fines.
 
2013-08-21 06:11:13 PM

Broktun: Isn't the solder used lead??

Isn't the pipes coming up the street lead?


Lead solder hasn't been available for at least 30 years, it went out with lead paint.  If you need some I still have a spool though because, you never know when you'll need it!

Your water main in the street is almost certainly cast iron.  The pipe leading from the street to the house may be lead, but that went out in the 40s or 50s, so if your house was built after that it's most likely copper and not lead.  It's easy enough to tell what your water service is made from.  If it's copper colored, there's a good chance it's copper.  If it's gray and you can scratch it with your thumbnail it's probably lead.
 
2013-08-21 06:12:14 PM
I've got PVC from the street to my house and copper in the house. I'm done for either way.
 
2013-08-21 06:13:26 PM
Oh god, I just had a HORRIBLE thought!

www.examiner.com

ak1.picdn.net

beerlabels.com

I'm doomed, I tell you... DOOMED!
 
2013-08-21 06:18:20 PM
I don't have copper pipes, but at least I don't have copper pipes.
 
2013-08-21 06:21:31 PM
www.stencilrevolution.com
 
2013-08-21 06:22:05 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-21 06:28:40 PM
I discovered, that in the apartment I moved into about six months ago. That the cheap ass landlord didn't put in any, I mean ANY, absolutly no exageration, NONE, cut off valves, in the entire three apartment unit when he replaced all the pvc with PEX.
Found this out when a leak appeared in my kitchen ceiling. The fitting to my tub above started leaking. I got it to stop by pushing on it to reseat. Two days later it blew out. Had to cut water at the main in the basement to the entire building to stop the cascade of water flowing into my kitchen.
Turns out a simple fitting costs about $10 @ Walmart. A valve, costs about $15.
He ended up paying me $300 for damages to my property and about $700 to fix his property.
He admitted he wished he hadn't been so cheap. But now says he can't afford installing valves for at least another year.
 
2013-08-21 06:31:28 PM
As a plumber, this has always concerned me. However, many people have massive amounts of natural copper in their water, which dwarfs the amount leached by pipes. And let's face it, the water is probably more toxic than lead anyway

/ i breath in the smoke from this shiat at 750 degrees Fahrenheit every day
// get PEX, you'll thank yourself, and crackheads will stop breaking into your basement
/// if the crack heads steal your copper, give me a call
//// visa/mastercard/crack accepted
 
2013-08-21 06:31:43 PM

8Fingers: I discovered, that in the apartment I moved into about six months ago. That the cheap ass landlord didn't put in any, I mean ANY, absolutly no exageration, NONE, cut off valves, in the entire three apartment unit when he replaced all the pvc with PEX.
Found this out when a leak appeared in my kitchen ceiling. The fitting to my tub above started leaking. I got it to stop by pushing on it to reseat. Two days later it blew out. Had to cut water at the main in the basement to the entire building to stop the cascade of water flowing into my kitchen.
Turns out a simple fitting costs about $10 @ Walmart. A valve, costs about $15.
He ended up paying me $300 for damages to my property and about $700 to fix his property.
He admitted he wished he hadn't been so cheap. But now says he can't afford installing valves for at least another year.


And so the circle of fail continues....

/Sorry.
 
2013-08-21 06:34:40 PM

8Fingers: I discovered, that in the apartment I moved into about six months ago. That the cheap ass landlord didn't put in any, I mean ANY, absolutly no exageration, NONE, cut off valves, in the entire three apartment unit when he replaced all the pvc with PEX.
Found this out when a leak appeared in my kitchen ceiling. The fitting to my tub above started leaking. I got it to stop by pushing on it to reseat. Two days later it blew out. Had to cut water at the main in the basement to the entire building to stop the cascade of water flowing into my kitchen.
Turns out a simple fitting costs about $10 @ Walmart. A valve, costs about $15.
He ended up paying me $300 for damages to my property and about $700 to fix his property.
He admitted he wished he hadn't been so cheap. But now says he can't afford installing valves for at least another year.


This is very, very common.
A $40 distribution block would provide shutoffs for ten different zones.
 
2013-08-21 06:37:09 PM
Amos Quito:

[beerlabels.com image 800x600]

I'm doomed, I tell you... DOOMED!


If it settles your mind, just about any place that looks like that is for decoration only.
Local brew craft beer is quickly becoming a scam.
 
2013-08-21 06:38:42 PM
THIS JUST IN:

Everything is out to get you and something eventually will.
 
2013-08-21 06:40:29 PM

discgolfguru: ElLoco: AirForceVet: Who uses copper for their plumbing anymore? I use titanium.

PEX. Almost every new home built now uses PEX line. The line is pretty amazing, but if cheap fittings are used, the whole thing is trash. Don't skimp on the fittings.

[www.modmyrv.com image 207x154]

Anytime I have to replace plumbing now, I use PEX. Couldn't be happier with it so far.


Just avoid plastic fittings, they snap like pretzels. Also, PEX degrades in sunlight, so keep that in mind.
If anyone questions the strength of PEX, show them you can literally tow a car with the stuff.
 
2013-08-21 06:46:31 PM
Stainless steel is still alright, right?
 
2013-08-21 06:49:24 PM
I've been mining crackheads for copper for years and I'm still fine.
 
2013-08-21 06:49:43 PM

Dwindle: 8Fingers: I discovered, that in the apartment I moved into about six months ago. That the cheap ass landlord didn't put in any, I mean ANY, absolutly no exageration, NONE, cut off valves, in the entire three apartment unit when he replaced all the pvc with PEX.
Found this out when a leak appeared in my kitchen ceiling. The fitting to my tub above started leaking. I got it to stop by pushing on it to reseat. Two days later it blew out. Had to cut water at the main in the basement to the entire building to stop the cascade of water flowing into my kitchen.
Turns out a simple fitting costs about $10 @ Walmart. A valve, costs about $15.
He ended up paying me $300 for damages to my property and about $700 to fix his property.
He admitted he wished he hadn't been so cheap. But now says he can't afford installing valves for at least another year.

This is very, very common.
A $40 distribution block would provide shutoffs for ten different zones.


Link?
 
2013-08-21 06:50:57 PM

CruJones: My favorite pizza place has copper pipes because they claim it makes the dough taste better.  I personally think it's the billionty degrees the coal oven puts out.

/too good to stop eating
//Grimaldi's


That is actually the secret to New York style pizza. Aside from being slightly alkaline (acidic dough doesn't crisp or get the bagel like chewiness) it has high levels of natural copper.

And yes, only extremely dry, non convection heat makes that characteristic blistering on the bottom of the dough.

Life is about priorities, and if you know New York pizza, you know where your priorities stand.
 
2013-08-21 06:53:08 PM
Pretty much everyone is using pex now.  No more hard lines.
 
2013-08-21 06:53:42 PM

Dwindle: discgolfguru: ElLoco: AirForceVet: Who uses copper for their plumbing anymore? I use titanium.

PEX. Almost every new home built now uses PEX line. The line is pretty amazing, but if cheap fittings are used, the whole thing is trash. Don't skimp on the fittings.

[www.modmyrv.com image 207x154]

Anytime I have to replace plumbing now, I use PEX. Couldn't be happier with it so far.

Just avoid plastic fittings, they snap like pretzels. Also, PEX degrades in sunlight, so keep that in mind.
If anyone questions the strength of PEX, show them you can literally tow a car with the stuff.


I've towed a car with a heavy-duty extension cord too. That demonstration means nothing regarding holding the pressure  from inside.

Haven't tried it, but my money's on being able to make a tow apparatus out of duct tape, and that don't do bumblefark for plumbing.
 
2013-08-21 06:58:35 PM
 
2013-08-21 07:01:01 PM

PainfulItching: Dwindle: discgolfguru: ElLoco: AirForceVet: Who uses copper for their plumbing anymore? I use titanium.

PEX. Almost every new home built now uses PEX line. The line is pretty amazing, but if cheap fittings are used, the whole thing is trash. Don't skimp on the fittings.

[www.modmyrv.com image 207x154]

Anytime I have to replace plumbing now, I use PEX. Couldn't be happier with it so far.

Just avoid plastic fittings, they snap like pretzels. Also, PEX degrades in sunlight, so keep that in mind.
If anyone questions the strength of PEX, show them you can literally tow a car with the stuff.

I've towed a car with a heavy-duty extension cord too. That demonstration means nothing regarding holding the pressure  from inside.

Haven't tried it, but my money's on being able to make a tow apparatus out of duct tape, and that don't do bumblefark for plumbing.


I've never seen Pex burst, even when frozen (although it will develop permanent bulges). It's rated for 100 psi, but I'm sure it would handle double that.
 
2013-08-21 07:13:28 PM
I've been drinking fines for years and I'm  copper.
 
2013-08-21 07:14:43 PM

Dwindle: 8Fingers:

Link?

Can't find it off hand. Here's a 5 port.

http://www.lifeandhome.com/zurn-qk5p-plastic-manifold-with-valves-5- po rt.html?gclid=CIKVtbPRj7kCFcme4AodRmQAyw


Thanks, will have to find that. I want to fix my leaky kithchen faucet, maybe replace it. With that I can shut off my water without effecting anybody else. Owner won't mind, it'll be an upgrade.
 
2013-08-21 07:15:12 PM

PainfulItching: Dwindle: discgolfguru: ElLoco: AirForceVet: Who uses copper for their plumbing anymore? I use titanium.

PEX. Almost every new home built now uses PEX line. The line is pretty amazing, but if cheap fittings are used, the whole thing is trash. Don't skimp on the fittings.

[www.modmyrv.com image 207x154]

Anytime I have to replace plumbing now, I use PEX. Couldn't be happier with it so far.

Just avoid plastic fittings, they snap like pretzels. Also, PEX degrades in sunlight, so keep that in mind.
If anyone questions the strength of PEX, show them you can literally tow a car with the stuff.

I've towed a car with a heavy-duty extension cord too. That demonstration means nothing regarding holding the pressure  from inside.

Haven't tried it, but my money's on being able to make a tow apparatus out of duct tape, and that don't do bumblefark for plumbing.


Clearly you don't understand the wonder that is duct tape.

/If you can't duck it...
//Buying old cars to restore often leads to finding wonderful duct-tape uses.
 
2013-08-21 07:18:40 PM
I was going to submit a BBC link on this over the weekend, but I couldn't make heads or tails of whether copper was good or bad.  And have they settled the aluminum thing yet, either?
 
2013-08-21 07:23:47 PM
As a plumber, I'm getting a kick out of these replies...

...seriously. I'm a real plumber. 9 months away from Commercial Journeyman.

In all seriousness, copper is still tops for water piping, with PEX being a really close 2nd (with cost usually determining which you choose). Copper pipes means cleaner and crisper water. If you must where a tinfoil hat, add a filtration system or just buy a cheap Brita filter that fits right onto your kitchen sink. I cannot tell you how many repipes I'm doing right now from nasty galvanized to copper/PEX. The gunk in those galvy pipes would make you wretch.
 
2013-08-21 07:32:49 PM

Tchernobog: PainfulItching: Dwindle: discgolfguru: ElLoco: AirForceVet: Who uses copper for their plumbing anymore? I use titanium.

PEX. Almost every new home built now uses PEX line. The line is pretty amazing, but if cheap fittings are used, the whole thing is trash. Don't skimp on the fittings.

[www.modmyrv.com image 207x154]

Anytime I have to replace plumbing now, I use PEX. Couldn't be happier with it so far.

Just avoid plastic fittings, they snap like pretzels. Also, PEX degrades in sunlight, so keep that in mind.
If anyone questions the strength of PEX, show them you can literally tow a car with the stuff.

I've towed a car with a heavy-duty extension cord too. That demonstration means nothing regarding holding the pressure  from inside.

Haven't tried it, but my money's on being able to make a tow apparatus out of duct tape, and that don't do bumblefark for plumbing.

Clearly you don't understand the wonder that is duct tape.

/If you can't duck it...
//Buying old cars to restore often leads to finding wonderful duct-tape uses.


Oh, I'm quite familiar with myriad uses of duct tape. Also once fixed a fuel line that left me stranded on the Katy Freeway west of Houston with an old McDonald's straw and some electrical tape. Got me to the nearest NAPA.

/ yeah, I'm farkin McGyver.
 
2013-08-21 07:38:59 PM
Someone please tell Bubbles from "The Wire" that copper futures are drying up and he needs to diversify.
 
2013-08-21 07:42:11 PM

harlock: Pretty much everyone is using pex now.  No more hard lines.


what about in commercial building?
 
2013-08-21 07:42:49 PM
Copper: it costs money because it saves money.
 
2013-08-21 07:43:42 PM
I for one, welcome or Cu overlords.

Cu and plastic has stopped any of my little guys from getting the big score!

/she's getting it out today
//latex, for the loss :(
 
2013-08-21 07:44:55 PM

PainfulItching: Dwindle: discgolfguru: ElLoco: AirForceVet: Who uses copper for their plumbing anymore? I use titanium.

PEX. Almost every new home built now uses PEX line. The line is pretty amazing, but if cheap fittings are used, the whole thing is trash. Don't skimp on the fittings.

[www.modmyrv.com image 207x154]

Anytime I have to replace plumbing now, I use PEX. Couldn't be happier with it so far.

Just avoid plastic fittings, they snap like pretzels. Also, PEX degrades in sunlight, so keep that in mind.
If anyone questions the strength of PEX, show them you can literally tow a car with the stuff.

I've towed a car with a heavy-duty extension cord too. That demonstration means nothing regarding holding the pressure  from inside.

Haven't tried it, but my money's on being able to make a tow apparatus out of duct tape, and that don't do bumblefark for plumbing.


I've tested PEX at 200 psi..to pass inspection here in Washington it needs to hold at 50. I think you'll be ok Mr. Scrappy.
 
2013-08-21 07:51:21 PM
I've been copping feels off crackheads for years and I've paid fines.
 
2013-08-21 08:00:17 PM

ElLoco: AirForceVet: Who uses copper for their plumbing anymore? I use titanium.

PEX. Almost every new home built now uses PEX line. The line is pretty amazing, but if cheap fittings are used, the whole thing is trash. Don't skimp on the fittings.

[www.modmyrv.com image 207x154]


When did PEX begin widespread use?  From what I've seen of it, it's great stuff, but chances are most houses older than the last 13 years or so don't have it unless they've been retrofitted.
 
2013-08-21 08:01:02 PM

Fade2black: PainfulItching: Dwindle: discgolfguru: ElLoco: AirForceVet: Who uses copper for their plumbing anymore? I use titanium.

PEX. Almost every new home built now uses PEX line. The line is pretty amazing, but if cheap fittings are used, the whole thing is trash. Don't skimp on the fittings.

[www.modmyrv.com image 207x154]

Anytime I have to replace plumbing now, I use PEX. Couldn't be happier with it so far.

Just avoid plastic fittings, they snap like pretzels. Also, PEX degrades in sunlight, so keep that in mind.
If anyone questions the strength of PEX, show them you can literally tow a car with the stuff.

I've towed a car with a heavy-duty extension cord too. That demonstration means nothing regarding holding the pressure  from inside.

Haven't tried it, but my money's on being able to make a tow apparatus out of duct tape, and that don't do bumblefark for plumbing.

I've tested PEX at 200 psi..to pass inspection here in Washington it needs to hold at 50. I think you'll be ok Mr. Scrappy.


I wasn't saying that the stuff wasn't any good, I was just pointing out that the tow test wasn't a pressure test. And all of the stuff that keep cropping up about any plastic/polymer products many years after the fact... I'm just saying.
 
2013-08-21 08:06:26 PM

PainfulItching: Fade2black: PainfulItching: Dwindle: discgolfguru: ElLoco: AirForceVet: Who uses copper for their plumbing anymore? I use titanium.

PEX. Almost every new home built now uses PEX line. The line is pretty amazing, but if cheap fittings are used, the whole thing is trash. Don't skimp on the fittings.

[www.modmyrv.com image 207x154]

Anytime I have to replace plumbing now, I use PEX. Couldn't be happier with it so far.

Just avoid plastic fittings, they snap like pretzels. Also, PEX degrades in sunlight, so keep that in mind.
If anyone questions the strength of PEX, show them you can literally tow a car with the stuff.

I've towed a car with a heavy-duty extension cord too. That demonstration means nothing regarding holding the pressure  from inside.

Haven't tried it, but my money's on being able to make a tow apparatus out of duct tape, and that don't do bumblefark for plumbing.

I've tested PEX at 200 psi..to pass inspection here in Washington it needs to hold at 50. I think you'll be ok Mr. Scrappy.

I wasn't saying that the stuff wasn't any good, I was just pointing out that the tow test wasn't a pressure test. And all of the stuff that keep cropping up about any plastic/polymer products many years after the fact... I'm just saying.


I've run PEX for 7 years now. Never a problem. Retrofits, remodels, new homes; the stuff is solid. The only problem is if the drywallers snag a line that hasn't been properly nail plated. Otherwise the stuff will last for decades.
 
2013-08-21 08:13:57 PM
I've got pex on a 15 year old boat. Pinhole after pinhole in the hot water circuit, it's very frustrating.
 
2013-08-21 08:15:37 PM
News flash, increasing concentrations of heavy metals (or anything really) in the body has detrimental effect.

Well Duh
 
2013-08-21 08:17:17 PM

SheltemDragon: News flash, increasing concentrations of heavy metals (or anything really) in the body has detrimental effect.

Well Duh


But those atoms are immortal, aren't they?
 
2013-08-21 08:18:10 PM
Drinking the water is bad, drinking milk is bad, the government is listening to phone calls, and video games are good for you.

So I guess it turns out my parents were liars
 
2013-08-21 08:23:04 PM

JonZoidberg: ElLoco: AirForceVet: Who uses copper for their plumbing anymore? I use titanium.

PEX. Almost every new home built now uses PEX line. The line is pretty amazing, but if cheap fittings are used, the whole thing is trash. Don't skimp on the fittings.

[www.modmyrv.com image 207x154]

When did PEX begin widespread use?  From what I've seen of it, it's great stuff, but chances are most houses older than the last 13 years or so don't have it unless they've been retrofitted.


Um... I don't remember. I started using it in what seems like the mid-90s. Or so. It was only available in the opaque white color at the time. It was around about the time that the Feds banned the use of gray butyl lines for pretty much anything because the lines and fittings were shiat and ran up monster insurance bills for leaks. Mobile homes and RVs, in particular, had butyl lines. PEX was the replacement.

It became prevalent in housing construction gradually after that, but really took hold in the mid-2000s after enough people had guinea pigged it and found it to be a superior replacement to most all potable water plumbing. I would be comfortable running it most anywhere that it isn't exposed to direct flame or daily indirect sunlight. If you use the brass fittings and copper alloy compression rings, it can freeze solid repeatedly (although obviously you don't want it freezing repeatedly) and be just fine. The plastic fittings will crack when frozen, or looked at wrong, and the 'shark bite' type 0-ring fittings can release the line with repeated freezing. Otherwise, the sharkbites are fine, except that the o-ring itself inside the fitting becomes the weak point in the plumbing when you use them.
 
2013-08-21 08:28:44 PM

Fade2black: As a plumber, I'm getting a kick out of these replies...

...seriously. I'm a real plumber. 9 months away from Commercial Journeyman.

In all seriousness, copper is still tops for water piping, with PEX being a really close 2nd (with cost usually determining which you choose). Copper pipes means cleaner and crisper water. If you must where a tinfoil hat, add a filtration system or just buy a cheap Brita filter that fits right onto your kitchen sink. I cannot tell you how many repipes I'm doing right now from nasty galvanized to copper/PEX. The gunk in those galvy pipes would make you wretch.


I'm also guessing replacing the twenty metres of pipe between the main and the faucet wouldn't do much to change the five kilometres of copper pipe between my house and the plant.
 
2013-08-21 08:33:33 PM

Maul555: Stainless steel is still alright, right?


Umm, kinda - SS is full of nickel and the effects probably won't be fully known until we replace all our pipes with it. Titanium might be a good choice, but a little pricy. I was looking at SS hip flasks for about $7, and titanium for over $100.
I stopped cooking with aluminum to stop my joint/muscle tightness. It worked for me. At 50, I move around now about the same as I did at 30 - no more groaning just bending over. I didn't wake up tight in the morning, even after doing something strenuous the day before. Still stiff, fortunately. Almost gave it up when it started coming back; I found the wife started using an aluminum strainer - now I'm almost as bad as a ex-smoker.

/I was a couch potato at 30.
//regularly check the wife's cupboards.
 
2013-08-21 08:34:30 PM

Flakeloaf: Fade2black: As a plumber, I'm getting a kick out of these replies...

...seriously. I'm a real plumber. 9 months away from Commercial Journeyman.

In all seriousness, copper is still tops for water piping, with PEX being a really close 2nd (with cost usually determining which you choose). Copper pipes means cleaner and crisper water. If you must where a tinfoil hat, add a filtration system or just buy a cheap Brita filter that fits right onto your kitchen sink. I cannot tell you how many repipes I'm doing right now from nasty galvanized to copper/PEX. The gunk in those galvy pipes would make you wretch.

I'm also guessing replacing the twenty metres of pipe between the main and the faucet wouldn't do much to change the five kilometres of copper pipe between my house and the plant.


Whatever it's made of, if it's 5k long, it isn't copper. Depending on the age, it's probably PVC or cast iron.
 
2013-08-21 08:45:09 PM
It will be a great day for the Ironic tag when "daily vitamin" pills are found to be the cause of the scariest of all diseases.
 
2013-08-21 08:50:07 PM
My dad's dad died of Alzheimers and my dad is going loopy already. I think I'll just continue to eat and drink whatever the fark I want and not worry about living to a ripe old, demented, age.
 
2013-08-21 08:53:34 PM
After 3 leaks with copper in 12 months, we repiped with PEX. Now my wife doesn't run around the house with a moisture meter looking for wet drywall. Stopping that was worth the 7k.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-08-21 08:54:51 PM

An Epic of Epic Epicness: Copper: it costs money because it saves money.


"And that's all I'm saying....."
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2013-08-21 08:57:10 PM
I only drink rain water that is caught in a 10,000 year old clay cistern so I am really getting a kick out of these replies.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-08-21 09:01:05 PM

relaxitsjustme: I only drink rain water that is caught in a 10,000 year old clay cistern so I am really getting a kick out of these replies.


These guys LOVE your cistern, and frequent it daily.
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Enjoy your drink......
 
2013-08-21 09:15:00 PM
It's not the copper, pvc, pex, or cast iron that will get you, it's the fluoridated water.

It's incredibly obvious, isn't it?  A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual, and certainly without any choice.
 
2013-08-21 09:22:41 PM

ElLoco: AirForceVet: Who uses copper for their plumbing anymore? I use titanium.

PEX. Almost every new home built now uses PEX line. The line is pretty amazing, but if cheap fittings are used, the whole thing is trash. Don't skimp on the fittings.

[www.modmyrv.com image 207x154]


GOD NO!  Don't go cheap on the fittings.  Buy the stainless and get a decent crimper and practice a bit if you're unsure how this is going to go.
Or go cheap and do it again, standing in the water. Your choice
 
2013-08-21 09:24:21 PM
Here in St. Louis, most pipes coming from the main to the house are lead (if your house is over 30 years old).  However, the water is so hard that after a few weeks, there's a coating on the inside of the lead pipe and it tests 0.000 ppm.
 
2013-08-21 09:25:05 PM

relaxitsjustme: I only drink rain water that is caught in a 10,000 year old clay cistern so I am really getting a kick out of these replies.


www.popbunker.net
 
2013-08-21 09:30:00 PM

AGremlin: It's not the copper, pvc, pex, or cast iron that will get you, it's the fluoridated water.

It's incredibly obvious, isn't it?  A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual, and certainly without any choice.


^^^ This is what happens when the copper starts to melt your brain.
 
2013-08-21 09:33:04 PM

Jument: AGremlin: It's not the copper, pvc, pex, or cast iron that will get you, it's the fluoridated water.

It's incredibly obvious, isn't it?  A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual, and certainly without any choice.

^^^ This is what happens when the copper starts to melt your brain.


^^^Obviously not a Dr. Strangelove fan.
 
2013-08-21 09:35:21 PM

Flakeloaf: I'm also guessing replacing the twenty metres of pipe between the main and the faucet wouldn't do much to change the five kilometres of copper pipe between my house and the plant.


Possibly.  The water in the pipes between your house and the water treatment plant is constantly flowing due to other people using it.  The water in the pipes in  your home can sit for hours.   So, I'd say the water in your house has far longer contact with the house pipes despite those pipes being significantly shorter.
 
2013-08-21 09:36:27 PM
I don't even want to know what my pipes are, the house is 50 years old.  I know I have at least one short piece of lead pipe on my pool plumbing.
 
2013-08-21 09:53:53 PM

Apik0r0s: relaxitsjustme: I only drink rain water that is caught in a 10,000 year old clay cistern so I am really getting a kick out of these replies.

[www.popbunker.net image 300x227]


Died from lead poisoning.
 
2013-08-21 11:44:54 PM

Mr. Eugenides: Broktun: Isn't the solder used lead??

Isn't the pipes coming up the street lead?

Lead solder hasn't been available for at least 30 years, it went out with lead paint.  If you need some I still have a spool though because, you never know when you'll need it!

Your water main in the street is almost certainly cast iron.  The pipe leading from the street to the house may be lead, but that went out in the 40s or 50s, so if your house was built after that it's most likely copper and not lead.  It's easy enough to tell what your water service is made from.  If it's copper colored, there's a good chance it's copper.  If it's gray and you can scratch it with your thumbnail it's probably lead.


I'm a technician in the navy and all of our solder certainly contains lead (and some of our paint too).
 
2013-08-21 11:45:47 PM

PainfulItching: Tchernobog: PainfulItching: Dwindle: discgolfguru: ElLoco: AirForceVet: Who uses copper for their plumbing anymore? I use titanium.

PEX. Almost every new home built now uses PEX line. The line is pretty amazing, but if cheap fittings are used, the whole thing is trash. Don't skimp on the fittings.

[www.modmyrv.com image 207x154]

Anytime I have to replace plumbing now, I use PEX. Couldn't be happier with it so far.

Just avoid plastic fittings, they snap like pretzels. Also, PEX degrades in sunlight, so keep that in mind.
If anyone questions the strength of PEX, show them you can literally tow a car with the stuff.

I've towed a car with a heavy-duty extension cord too. That demonstration means nothing regarding holding the pressure  from inside.

Haven't tried it, but my money's on being able to make a tow apparatus out of duct tape, and that don't do bumblefark for plumbing.

Clearly you don't understand the wonder that is duct tape.

/If you can't duck it...
//Buying old cars to restore often leads to finding wonderful duct-tape uses.

Oh, I'm quite familiar with myriad uses of duct tape. Also once fixed a fuel line that left me stranded on the Katy Freeway west of Houston with an old McDonald's straw and some electrical tape. Got me to the nearest NAPA.

/ yeah, I'm farkin McGyver.


I tied up my broken muffler once with a pair of pantyhose, got to Grandmas house before the police ticketed me.  What does that make me?

And relevant to the thread, seeing lots more PEX used in high vandal cities like Chicago, Pittsburgh, etc.  It works and is about 1/10 the cost of copper piping.
 
2013-08-22 12:02:50 AM
This is just great.  You print this article while my floor is torn up to remove galvanized and install copper.  Oh well, my little town was in Fark awhile back because of the uranium in the water. And the yearly water test shows copper in the water.  I'm farked no matter what and I'm typing this by telekinesis.
 
2013-08-22 12:59:21 AM

indy_kid: My thought as well, as having an aluminum pot/pan set was supposed to be one of the big signs of status in the 1920s/30s. So, everyone who used those as kids is coming up with Alz now.


Off hand, I remember reading that in raw numbers there are more demented old people, but as a percentage of old people the rate is actually going down. As for Aluminum I have problems with the dementia aluminum theory since aluminum salts are utter ubiquitous in nature.

relaxitsjustme: I only drink rain water that is caught in a 10,000 year old clay cistern so I am really getting a kick out of these replies.


My grandfather's family drank mostly rain water, none of them had teeth by the time they were forty, and the ladies all serious osteoporosis.
 
2013-08-22 01:19:27 AM

pedobearapproved: just came in to say I've been drinking water from copper pipes for years, and I'm fine


Too fast. 5 minute intervals next time
 
2013-08-22 01:22:18 AM

indy_kid: SecretAgentWoman: I thought it was aluminum that caused Alzheimer's.

My thought as well, as having an aluminum pot/pan set was supposed to be one of the big signs of status in the 1920s/30s.  So, everyone who used those as kids is coming up with Alz now.

Wonder what bizarre ailments we Boomers will have from all the chemicals put into the market during the 1950s/60s/70s?  Guess those smelly hippies and their iron cookware might have been on to something.


But too much iron can damage the liver.
 
2013-08-22 01:26:58 AM
Cu futures are going to suffer a loss on the stock market and bottled water sales will increase.
 
2013-08-22 01:51:42 AM
 
2013-08-22 02:00:28 AM
Thank Dog it's not  cyclamates!
My grandma told me cranberries are poisonous too.
From now on do not eat or drink or breath ANYTHING!
Except for whiskey, drink as much as you can and die happy reading Fark
http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/95dec/lead/hencran.htm
 
2013-08-22 02:43:17 AM
DNRTFT yet, but as an apprentice electrician I was taught that among the many reasons to do quality work was that constant exposure to aluminum, used in sh*tty installs, increased your odds of Alzheimer's significantly while exposure to copper, used in more workmanlike installs, actually prevented it.

/Stripping, splicing, and cutting wires dozens or hundreds of times a day is enough to coat the outside of your wire strippers--and the pores in your fingers--with copper or aluminum dust. It's feasible that the dust enters your bloodstream, but IANAFDoctor.
 
2013-08-22 03:01:54 AM

Mr. Eugenides: Lead solder hasn't been available for at least 30 years, it went out with lead paint.


Um, bullsh*t. 50/50 solder was easily available up to about 10 years ago. Some hillbillly supply houses will still sell it to you if you lie and say it's for your boiler pipes. (Although I have no clue where they're getting it.)

Fade2black: Otherwise the stuff will last for decades.


Unacceptable. Plumbing, wiring, and ducting (obviously excluding fixtures) should be good for centuries. If not, it's garbage. I really wish I weren't so poor, or I would have made sure I had no CPVC  flex duct, or ductboard in my house. At least all the wiring is 12ga copper.

The plumbing discussion is moot anyway, though. As anyone who has repaired plumbing should know, pipes quickly develop a patina anyway. You're not getting the pipe material in your water.
 
2013-08-22 08:03:04 AM
I've been drinking and driving for years, and I got fined.
 
2013-08-22 08:07:14 AM
switched to all stainless steel(well, ok, like 99% stainless steel, I think the vat we deep fry turkeys in twice a year is aluminum) based on the aluminum worries. One one hand, nice to know I probably don't have to actually worry about that. On the same hand, I personally like stainless steel anyway.

No copper pans in the house anyway. We're on a well with a ridiculously complex water filtration system(due to hard water, bacterial iron, sediment. Can't believe the pump hasn't died yet in 30 years, frankly), so there's a little bit of copper plumbing between the system and the taps, but on the other hand, we don't drink the water unless it's been through at least a britta style filter(in the fridge water system), and primarily use water from a tap I installed that uses a reverse osmosis filtering system.

I think we'll be OK. Maybe. Until the report on stainless steel and something in water filters that causes some disease start showing up.
 
2013-08-22 08:26:13 AM
Waanh! I got too much copper in my water, waaanh! Just drink Pepsi and shut the fark up.

Copper's metal. Metal never did nothing to nobody, pussy. I don't drink anything but Moscow mules and I remember being born, so there. I refute your mumbo-jumbo with raspberries and grand flourishes and gestures.
 
2013-08-22 10:50:19 AM
...and before copper it was aluminum.

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Shall we take nominations for the next cause of Alzheimer's?   There are lots of candidates to choose from, PVC, chrome, tin, iron...
 
2013-08-22 01:20:04 PM

ssjd2: Mr. Eugenides: Broktun: Isn't the solder used lead??

Isn't the pipes coming up the street lead?

Lead solder hasn't been available for at least 30 years, it went out with lead paint.  If you need some I still have a spool though because, you never know when you'll need it!

Your water main in the street is almost certainly cast iron.  The pipe leading from the street to the house may be lead, but that went out in the 40s or 50s, so if your house was built after that it's most likely copper and not lead.  It's easy enough to tell what your water service is made from.  If it's copper colored, there's a good chance it's copper.  If it's gray and you can scratch it with your thumbnail it's probably lead.

I'm a technician in the navy and all of our solder certainly contains lead (and some of our paint too).


Yeah, but it's all left over from WWII isn't it.
 
2013-08-22 01:34:52 PM

TopoGigo: Mr. Eugenides: Lead solder hasn't been available for at least 30 years, it went out with lead paint.

Um, bullsh*t. 50/50 solder was easily available up to about 10 years ago. Some hillbillly supply houses will still sell it to you if you lie and say it's for your boiler pipes. (Although I have no clue where they're getting it.)


I suspect you're getting old like me and the years are starting to compress.  10 years ago was 2003.  Lead paint was banned in 1977 and at the same time they started to phase out lead solder in plumbing, it was effectively banned for potable water systems in 1986 (27 years ago).  I know of a local hardware store that's been family owned for a century that has a few spools of dusty lead solder on the shelf too, but it would be stupid not to mention illegal to use.

Here's an old fact sheet from the EPA about the lead ban.
 
2013-08-22 04:02:42 PM

Mr. Eugenides: TopoGigo: Mr. Eugenides: Lead solder hasn't been available for at least 30 years, it went out with lead paint.

Um, bullsh*t. 50/50 solder was easily available up to about 10 years ago. Some hillbillly supply houses will still sell it to you if you lie and say it's for your boiler pipes. (Although I have no clue where they're getting it.)

I suspect you're getting old like me and the years are starting to compress.  10 years ago was 2003.  Lead paint was banned in 1977 and at the same time they started to phase out lead solder in plumbing, it was effectively banned for potable water systems in 1986 (27 years ago).  I know of a local hardware store that's been family owned for a century that has a few spools of dusty lead solder on the shelf too, but it would be stupid not to mention illegal to use.

Here's an old fact sheet from the EPA about the lead ban.


Hm. That's definitely what your link says, banned by 86. I know for a fact I bought 50/50 solder in 2001 with no trouble though. In fact, I clearly remember it being hard to find map gas for the lead-free solder not much later than that.
 
2013-08-22 08:09:32 PM

oohpah: This is just great.  You print this article while my floor is torn up to remove galvanized and install copper.  Oh well, my little town was in Fark awhile back because of the uranium in the water. And the yearly water test shows copper in the water.  I'm farked no matter what and I'm typing this by telekinesis.


No no, it's all good. The uranium will cancel out the copper.
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