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2013-08-21 12:40:27 PM  
Best I ever saw.
Sanders
Brown
Dickerson
OJ
Sweetness

Emmitt Smith is in the teens.  Barry would have rushed for 2500 behind that line.
 
2013-08-21 12:41:13 PM  
I heard the single greatest line of all time about him on the NFL Network:
"If Barry Sanders was a kid in the NFL, Child Services would've taken him away from the Detroit Lions."
 
2013-08-21 12:48:36 PM  
Probably because Scott Mitchell got geed up while Barry was left in squalor behind that shiatty o-line
 
2013-08-21 12:56:07 PM  
OK, the end was worth it.
 
2013-08-21 12:58:47 PM  
It's kind of weird that his legacy has become that he was too quick for defenders and juked his way out of everything. While that part is true, he was insanely strong (his legs in particular) and he simply broke tackles or just shrugged off defenders when they did grab him. Those monstrous legs never stopped churning.
 
2013-08-21 01:00:53 PM  

dustygrimp: Best I ever saw.
Sanders
Brown
Dickerson
OJ
Sweetness

Emmitt Smith is in the teens.  Barry would have rushed for 2500 behind that line.


And QB and competent receivers and D that could occasionally stop a drive.  But you're absolutely right he'd be Jerry Rice levels ahead of everyone else.  The NFL life about Barry really pissed me off.  Players of his stature should be able to void their contracts and chase a title.  The Lions front office has proven themselves completely incompetent farks time and time again.  Why should a crown jewel of the league be stuck in that pile of shiat?  fark Parity.  Let the stars shine.
 
2013-08-21 01:04:07 PM  

Dr. Kefarkian: I heard the single greatest line of all time about him on the NFL Network:
"If Barry Sanders was a kid in the NFL, Child Services would've taken him away from the Detroit Lions."


That's the truth.  I like some ideas of the parity system but it makes the incredibly flawed assumption that owners will try to win.  Some owners just cash the checks.
 
2013-08-21 01:06:12 PM  

elguerodiablo: Dr. Kefarkian: I heard the single greatest line of all time about him on the NFL Network:
"If Barry Sanders was a kid in the NFL, Child Services would've taken him away from the Detroit Lions."

That's the truth.  I like some ideas of the parity system but it makes the incredibly flawed assumption that owners will try to win.  Some owners just cash the checks.


It makes the irony so much sweeter that Detroit is the ONLY team to not turn a profit THE LAST FOUR YEARS
 
2013-08-21 01:10:20 PM  
Barry sanders is nfl equivalent of that onion piece on Ken Griffey Jr. "We wish it was you breaking the records..."
 
2013-08-21 01:14:37 PM  

dustygrimp: Best I ever saw.
Sanders
Brown
Dickerson
OJ
Sweetness

Emmitt Smith is in the teens.  Barry would have rushed for 2500 behind that line.


JIM Brown? Man, you're old :)
 
2013-08-21 01:14:42 PM  
I didn't think it was a big mystery... didn't the man himself say it was because of the Lions' "culture of losing"?
 
2013-08-21 01:16:34 PM  

KingKauff: elguerodiablo: Dr. Kefarkian: I heard the single greatest line of all time about him on the NFL Network:
"If Barry Sanders was a kid in the NFL, Child Services would've taken him away from the Detroit Lions."

That's the truth.  I like some ideas of the parity system but it makes the incredibly flawed assumption that owners will try to win.  Some owners just cash the checks.

It makes the irony so much sweeter that Detroit is the ONLY team to not turn a profit THE LAST FOUR YEARS


Sports accounting is magic.  They get to depreciate the players at the level of there salary so they get over 100 million in free expenses.  Plus the other millions of dollars accountants get to make up for regular businesses.  If you dont have to answer to investors the only thing positive income does is make you pay taxes.
 
2013-08-21 01:16:56 PM  
You mean, it wasn't because he respected Walter Payton so much...or that he hated his father? Those are the two I always hear bandied about.
 
2013-08-21 01:28:59 PM  
The first time I saw Sanders play was in the Holiday Bowl. I met up with an old HS buddy of mine, and we ended up in a biker bar, drinking and shooting pool, the game was on TV. It was the most electrifying performance I've ever seen by a running back, even the people in the bar who didn't really care about football stopped and watched the game, waiting for the next time he touched the ball.

If he was on a decent team, he would be the GOAT, no discussion.
 
2013-08-21 01:42:15 PM  

dustygrimp: Best I ever saw.
Sanders
Brown
Dickerson
OJ
Sweetness

Emmitt Smith is in the teens.  Barry would have rushed for 2500 behind that line.


Sanders was undeniably great but he wasn't the equal of Sweetness or Brown.  Too many negative plays, less receiving ability than you'd expect from a player of that type and no value as a blocker.  Payton could do everything.

Also, no doubt Emmitt Smith benefited from a great line and overall offense, but he was really good at making people miss and he was money at the goal line; I'd put him in the 6th-10th range in this time frame.  I'd go Payton, Brown, Faulk, Sanders, Dickerson, Peterson, Tomlinson, Smith, Simpson... then it gets murky.
 
2013-08-21 01:44:16 PM  

elguerodiablo: Sports accounting is magic.  They get to depreciate the players at the level of there salary so they get over 100 million in free expenses.


And by "free" you mean "paid for."
 
2013-08-21 01:55:52 PM  
Pat Jones, coach of the OSU cowboys said if at the time they would have counted bowl yards in the season stats he would have let Sanders go over 3,000 in a single season.
 
2013-08-21 02:07:11 PM  

Super Chronic: Sanders was undeniably great but he wasn't the equal of Sweetness or Brown.  Too many negative plays, less receiving ability than you'd expect from a player of that type and no value as a blocker.  Payton could do everything.


Not to start an NFL GOAT flame-war, but there are several things you have to consider when making a statement like that:
1.  Jim Brown was the biggest, strongest, most well trained and determined man on the field for 10 years. Nobody could stop him.  There are people his size playing HS ball today.  But it was his determination that set him apart.  He could make a comeback right now and still rack up a thousand yards.

2.  Emmitt had a complete team around him.  There was a passing game, and a pretty solid defense.  He had the benefit of having all the pieces in place for him to do what he did.  Barry had Scott Mitchell, Charlie Batch and Wayne Fonts.

If Barry had even HALF of a team, we wouldn't be having this discussion.  He'd hold every possible record a RB could have, and be light years ahead of anyone else playing today.  But he didn't, and he doesn't, and he ain't.  One of the all time greatest farkups by any franchise in sports history ... thy name is the Detroit Lions.
 
2013-08-21 02:09:04 PM  

Dr. Kefarkian: Payton could do everything.


Sorry to leave out Sweetness, and you're right ... he COULD do everything.  And he is grace personified on the football field (next to Sayers).  But No. 20 IS in a class all by himself.
 
2013-08-21 02:14:12 PM  
Love these "if my Aunt had balls she would be my Uncle" type Barry Sanders threads.
 
2013-08-21 02:24:36 PM  

Dr. Kefarkian: Super Chronic: Sanders was undeniably great but he wasn't the equal of Sweetness or Brown.  Too many negative plays, less receiving ability than you'd expect from a player of that type and no value as a blocker.  Payton could do everything.

Not to start an NFL GOAT flame-war, but there are several things you have to consider when making a statement like that:
1.  Jim Brown was the biggest, strongest, most well trained and determined man on the field for 10 years. Nobody could stop him.  There are people his size playing HS ball today.  But it was his determination that set him apart.  He could make a comeback right now and still rack up a thousand yards.

2.  Emmitt had a complete team around him.  There was a passing game, and a pretty solid defense.  He had the benefit of having all the pieces in place for him to do what he did.  Barry had Scott Mitchell, Charlie Batch and Wayne Fonts.

If Barry had even HALF of a team, we wouldn't be having this discussion.  He'd hold every possible record a RB could have, and be light years ahead of anyone else playing today.  But he didn't, and he doesn't, and he ain't.  One of the all time greatest farkups by any franchise in sports history ... thy name is the Detroit Lions.


But if you had read what I said, you'd see that I had actual critiques of Sanders's game.  The big one, I think, is you'd think that with his physical skillset he'd be a bigger receiving threat than he was.  He didn't block and he spent a lot of time dancing around in the backfield.  He was great at one thing, but Payton was great at everything.

And although those Lions teams weren't great, they're unfairly maligned these days -- he always had great receivers (Herman Moore and either Brett Perriman or Johnnie Morton most years), and he had a Hall of Fame caliber lineman in Lomas Brown for many years, as well as some solid blockers like Ray Roberts and Jeff Hartings.  Those teams weren't total crap.
 
2013-08-21 02:25:56 PM  
I always assumed it was Bobby Ross that drove Barry Sanders away.
 
2013-08-21 02:31:16 PM  

Super Chronic: And although those Lions teams weren't great, they're unfairly maligned these days -- he always had great receivers (Herman Moore and either Brett Perriman or Johnnie Morton most years), and he had a Hall of Fame caliber lineman in Lomas Brown for many years, as well as some solid blockers like Ray Roberts and Jeff Hartings.  Those teams weren't total crap.


Stop revising history to make it more accurate.

Everyone knows that Barry Sanders would've run for a touchdown on every single play if he hadn't had to play 1-on-11 every down and that Michael Jordan never lost a game in his career.

/those are the two most ridiculously hyperbolized athletes on the internet
 
2013-08-21 02:32:30 PM  

Super Chronic: dustygrimp: Best I ever saw.
Sanders
Brown
Dickerson
OJ
Sweetness

Emmitt Smith is in the teens.  Barry would have rushed for 2500 behind that line.

Sanders was undeniably great but he wasn't the equal of Sweetness or Brown.  Too many negative plays, less receiving ability than you'd expect from a player of that type and no value as a blocker.  Payton could do everything.

Also, no doubt Emmitt Smith benefited from a great line and overall offense, but he was really good at making people miss and he was money at the goal line; I'd put him in the 6th-10th range in this time frame.  I'd go Payton, Brown, Faulk, Sanders, Dickerson, Peterson, Tomlinson, Smith, Simpson... then it gets murky.


I will agree with you about his receiving abilitiy and the fact he couldn't block worth a damn, but too many negative plays? Do you know why he had so many negative plays? His offensive line wasn't worth a shiat, and opposing defenses weren't too worried about the passing game so they loaded the box and came after the run all of the time. If you had 2 D-linemen in the backfield with you as soon as the QB handed the ball off to you, you would have a lot of negative plays also.
 
2013-08-21 02:35:47 PM  

IAmRight: Super Chronic: And although those Lions teams weren't great, they're unfairly maligned these days -- he always had great receivers (Herman Moore and either Brett Perriman or Johnnie Morton most years), and he had a Hall of Fame caliber lineman in Lomas Brown for many years, as well as some solid blockers like Ray Roberts and Jeff Hartings.  Those teams weren't total crap.

Stop revising history to make it more accurate.

Everyone knows that Barry Sanders would've run for a touchdown on every single play if he hadn't had to play 1-on-11 every down and that Michael Jordan never lost a game in his career.

/those are the two most ridiculously hyperbolized athletes on the internet


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/If Dan Marino played for the 9ers he would have been the greatest ever whhaarrrrrghaarble!
 
2013-08-21 02:37:06 PM  

muck4doo: /If Dan Marino played for the 9ers he would have been the greatest ever whhaarrrrrghaarble!


Yeah, no one ever says that sh*t with Marino for some reason.

He's (along with Dilfer) are only always the argument for Super Bowl rings not being that important
 
2013-08-21 02:37:41 PM  
Yeah, I think you know what I was trying to say with that abortion of a sentence.
 
2013-08-21 02:40:32 PM  

elguerodiablo: Players of his stature should be able to void their contracts and chase a title.


Maybe.  But Barry renewed his contract 2 years before his retirement.  He could have gone to pretty much any team he wanted to.  He decided to stay, and the retired because the team sucked.
 
2013-08-21 02:53:19 PM  

IAmRight: /those are the two most ridiculously hyperbolized athletes on the internet


One who comes to mind is Tom "Buttercup" Brady.

Jordan is damn near canonized, there is no doubt on any level the contributions he made not only to the game of basketball, but to his team as well.
So, he doesn't belong in that group either.
Nobody has seen anything but old footage of Gayle Sayers, and nobody knows anything about Sammy Baugh.

Barry Sanders is still relatively fresh in the minds of most football fans, and nobody doubts what he did with a team that sucked out loud on just about every aspect of the game.  Sure there was one playoff win, but overall?  Hind tit.

Try again.
 
2013-08-21 02:54:19 PM  
It's really hard to determine a greatest of all time, but I will say the top tier definitely includes Sanders, Payton, Brown, and Simpson.

Emmitt Smith was a great running back and as a Cowboys' fan I loved watching him play, but he's 2nd tier compared to the previously mentioned players.
 
2013-08-21 02:56:55 PM  

BigSnatch: It's kind of weird that his legacy has become that he was too quick for defenders and juked his way out of everything. While that part is true, he was insanely strong (his legs in particular) and he simply broke tackles or just shrugged off defenders when they did grab him. Those monstrous legs never stopped churning.


I remember some nfl film "creepily" commenting on his 38 inch thighs and 28 inch waist.
 
2013-08-21 03:09:33 PM  

Krymson Tyde: It's really hard to determine a greatest of all time, but I will say the top tier definitely includes Sanders, Payton, Brown, and Simpson


Depends on how you define greatness; if you're going to go by peak value as opposed to career-long value then you can make an argument for putting Simpson up there, but you'd also have to consider Terrell Davis and Earl Campbell.  And it's possible that Adrian Peterson has already surpassed all of those guys.
 
2013-08-21 03:22:48 PM  

Super Chronic: And it's possible that Adrian Peterson has already surpassed all of those guys.


AP has the power and the speed, but he doesn't have Barry's moves.
 
2013-08-21 03:26:01 PM  
I like that many of the greatest running backs of the game played on absolutely horrible teams.  Obviously, Emmitt Smith is a pretty major exception to this.  Sanders was fun to watch as he juked lefted and right -- but Sweetness ... the guy could do absolutely everything.

I remember watching a play where three defensive players broke through on a blitz.  Somehow, Payton managed to take them all out.  Granted, I think he barrel-rolled them (not exactly legal nowadays) -- but it was something to behold.

If I remember correctly, Payton didn't have one pro-bowl offensive linemen blocking for him in his last decade of playing -- and that's when the Bears were dominant.  Before that, Payton was one of the only bright spots on the entire team.
 
2013-08-21 03:29:24 PM  
You can't argue with Tecmo Bowl. This guy was the best in my lifetime.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-21 03:35:47 PM  

Dr. Kefarkian: ...Jordan is damn near canonized, there is no doubt on any level the contributions he made not only to the game of basketball, but to his team as well.
So, he doesn't belong in that group either...


I'd argue that Jordan was actually bad for the game.  Early in his career when he wasn't winning shiat and making highlight reel plays in isolation he created a whole generation of players that wanted to do it all on their own and be like Mike.  It created intensely dull basketball.  Later, when he involved his teammates more and started winning titles, he became the GOAT we all remember, no doubt.  But his early years hurt the game.
 
2013-08-21 03:36:38 PM  

steve_wmn: Super Chronic: And it's possible that Adrian Peterson has already surpassed all of those guys.

AP has the power and the speed, but he doesn't have Barry's moves.


I was referring to him in comparison to OJ, Terrell Davis and Earl Campbell, but OK.
 
2013-08-21 03:39:16 PM  

Super Chronic: Krymson Tyde: It's really hard to determine a greatest of all time, but I will say the top tier definitely includes Sanders, Payton, Brown, and Simpson

Depends on how you define greatness; if you're going to go by peak value as opposed to career-long value then you can make an argument for putting Simpson up there, but you'd also have to consider Terrell Davis and Earl Campbell.  And it's possible that Adrian Peterson has already surpassed all of those guys.


I can't really argue with that.

Simpson, Sanders, and to a slightly lesser extent, Payton all played on teams without much support. Granted in his later career Payton had a better team, but not for the first part. Brown's team was pretty good throughout his career.

That's the main reason I find it hard to determine a best, there are so many variables.
 
2013-08-21 03:42:53 PM  

Mister Buttons: You can't argue with Tecmo Bowl. This guy was the best in my lifetime.

[i.imgur.com image 256x224]


www.nintendoplayer.com
 
2013-08-21 03:44:25 PM  

dustygrimp: Dr. Kefarkian: ...Jordan is damn near canonized, there is no doubt on any level the contributions he made not only to the game of basketball, but to his team as well.
So, he doesn't belong in that group either...

I'd argue that Jordan was actually bad for the game.  Early in his career when he wasn't winning shiat and making highlight reel plays in isolation he created a whole generation of players that wanted to do it all on their own and be like Mike.  It created intensely dull basketball.  Later, when he involved his teammates more and started winning titles, he became the GOAT we all remember, no doubt.  But his early years hurt the game.


Good argument.  You also pointed out that later in his career, when he involved his teammates, that's when he went from being, "Michael Jordan", to "MJ".  Those players who had the, "me first" attitude didn't do jack shiat as far as winning was concerned, just like he didn't win jack shiat when he was making highlight reels.  So he showed the world that all the talent and skill that he possessed wouldn't win him a championship unless he was part of a great team.  So yes, he WAS good for the game.
 
2013-08-21 03:48:23 PM  
I remember the last game Barry played (at least I think it was).  He ran off the field and straight into the locker room, and I have never since seen anyone who looked as broken as he was that day.

Wikipedia has this to say:

"Several years after retirement, with repeated refusals to discuss the abruptness of it, Sanders finally admitted that the culture of losing in the Lions' organization was too much to deal with, even though he said that he could still play and that Detroit had made the playoffs in five of his ten seasons. The Lions' went 5-11 in the season prior to his retirement. He explained that it robbed him of his competitive spirit, and he saw no reason to believe things were going to improve. "

Troof.
 
2013-08-21 03:54:00 PM  

Dr. Kefarkian: dustygrimp: Dr. Kefarkian: ...Jordan is damn near canonized, there is no doubt on any level the contributions he made not only to the game of basketball, but to his team as well.
So, he doesn't belong in that group either...

I'd argue that Jordan was actually bad for the game.  Early in his career when he wasn't winning shiat and making highlight reel plays in isolation he created a whole generation of players that wanted to do it all on their own and be like Mike.  It created intensely dull basketball.  Later, when he involved his teammates more and started winning titles, he became the GOAT we all remember, no doubt.  But his early years hurt the game.

Good argument.  You also pointed out that later in his career, when he involved his teammates, that's when he went from being, "Michael Jordan", to "MJ".  Those players who had the, "me first" attitude didn't do jack shiat as far as winning was concerned, just like he didn't win jack shiat when he was making highlight reels.  So he showed the world that all the talent and skill that he possessed wouldn't win him a championship unless he was part of a great team.  So yes, he WAS good for the game.


Mmm... It was a lesson that was lost on the Iversons and Vince Carters of the world.
 
2013-08-21 04:00:52 PM  

dustygrimp: Mmm... It was a lesson that was lost on the Iversons and Vince Carters of the world.


There were a lot of lessons lost on Iverson.

/Seems Carter learned the lesson when he lost the hops.
 
2013-08-21 04:03:58 PM  

Super Chronic: Krymson Tyde: It's really hard to determine a greatest of all time, but I will say the top tier definitely includes Sanders, Payton, Brown, and Simpson

Depends on how you define greatness; if you're going to go by peak value as opposed to career-long value then you can make an argument for putting Simpson up there, but you'd also have to consider Terrell Davis and Earl Campbell.  And it's possible that Adrian Peterson has already surpassed all of those guys.


Peak value does open it up some. TD, Earl Campbell, Priest Holmes, Shaun Alexander.
 
2013-08-21 04:41:53 PM  

Kid Lester: Mister Buttons: You can't argue with Tecmo Bowl. This guy was the best in my lifetime.

[i.imgur.com image 256x224]

[www.nintendoplayer.com image 256x224]


coedbc.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-08-21 04:49:35 PM  

Kid Lester: Mister Buttons: You can't argue with Tecmo Bowl. This guy was the best in my lifetime.

[i.imgur.com image 256x224]

[www.nintendoplayer.com image 256x224]


every time I see Tecmo bowl and TOUCHDOWN! , I think of the Cardinals vs. Vikings playoff game ending.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_wfYAGosi4
 
2013-08-21 04:49:46 PM  

elguerodiablo: Dr. Kefarkian: I heard the single greatest line of all time about him on the NFL Network:
"If Barry Sanders was a kid in the NFL, Child Services would've taken him away from the Detroit Lions."

That's the truth.  I like some ideas of the parity system but it makes the incredibly flawed assumption that owners will try to win.  Some owners just cash the checks.


Spending money has never been the problem with the Lions.  The problem has been that they choose people to run the team who are inept.  They spend a ton of money on that team, all of it spent poorly.
 
2013-08-21 04:53:37 PM  

Dr. Kefarkian: Dr. Kefarkian: Payton could do everything.

Sorry to leave out Sweetness, and you're right ... he COULD do everything.


Well except get a TD in the Super Bowl.
 
2013-08-21 04:56:04 PM  

Dr. Kefarkian: Super Chronic: Sanders was undeniably great but he wasn't the equal of Sweetness or Brown.  Too many negative plays, less receiving ability than you'd expect from a player of that type and no value as a blocker.  Payton could do everything.

Not to start an NFL GOAT flame-war, but there are several things you have to consider when making a statement like that:
1.  Jim Brown was the biggest, strongest, most well trained and determined man on the field for 10 years. Nobody could stop him.  There are people his size playing HS ball today.  But it was his determination that set him apart.  He could make a comeback right now and still rack up a thousand yards.


[snip]

Brown played at 232 pounds in an era of 210-pound linebackers and 90% white rosters (yeah, I went there).  To put him in modern terms you'd have to imagine a 265-pounder who was also one of the fastest guys in the league.  But yes, you can see his determination in the old clips.
 
2013-08-21 05:07:03 PM  

Dr. Kefarkian: Jordan is damn near canonized, there is no doubt on any level the contributions he made not only to the game of basketball, but to his team as well.
So, he doesn't belong in that group either.


You can be (one of) the best ever and still be overrated. Jordan is evidence of this. Based on the way people talk about him, you'd think he singlehandedly shut opponents out, scored 100+ per game on 100% shooting, and somehow still took every last-second shot, making all of them, because for some reason the other team magically had the same number of points as the Bulls despite the fact that he'd shut them out.

Throw in the "if Jordan didn't leave for two years" like he wasn't back in the playoffs and the Bulls didn't lose WITH HIM IN THE LINEUP in '95, the ignoring the fact that he had two other Hall of Famers on his second three-peat team and a couple of All-Star caliber guys with him in the first set, plus arguably the greatest coach of all time, etc.

Throw in the "he never would've quit on his team" after he DID EXACTLY THAT, TWICE, the "he never would've gone to another team" BECAUSE HE NEVER HAD THE OPPORTUNITY (and when he finally did, he was on a team that just won the championship AND he was going to get paid $30 million/year)...yeah, homie's still overrated.

Same goes on with Sanders - we revise history to say he didn't have anyone helping him...really? Because I didn't even follow football that closely then and I still knew about Moore and Perriman. They had a pretty decent squad around him on occasion. Sanders was great, no doubt, and had he finished his career, there's no reason to think he wouldn't have the rushing records...but let's not act as though he was by himself out there.
 
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