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2013-08-21 12:07:17 PM
Diablo 3 pretty much killed my desire to play video games.
 
2013-08-21 12:09:36 PM
Do people still play that pathetic excuse for a game?
 
2013-08-21 12:09:52 PM
Let me guess, theyre going to come up with a new currency since they failed so badly at an economy last time
 
2013-08-21 12:11:56 PM

A Leaf in Fall: Diablo 3 pretty much killed my desire to play video games.


Well it killed my desire to play Diablo III that's for sure.

Torchlight 2, though, remains great fun.
 
2013-08-21 12:12:50 PM

A Leaf in Fall: Diablo 3 pretty much killed my desire to play video games.

Diablo 3
 
2013-08-21 12:13:27 PM
Been playing Neverwinter. So far it's better-looking, and more interesting than WoW (and it's free), and was able to snag Torchlight 2, which is better than Diablo 3.

So there. Sorry Blizzard, I loved Warcraft 3 (Still own it), I loved Starcraft (I kind of like S2, not gotten the expansion yet), but you're well on your way to become EA.
 
2013-08-21 12:13:37 PM
The only way I'll play this is if it comes with $60 and an apology.
 
2013-08-21 12:14:59 PM
This thread.

/useless
//without pics
 
2013-08-21 12:18:28 PM
I played Diablo 3 quite a bit when it came out, but got fed up with it when Nightmare mode was just way too damn difficult without better equipment, and good equipment was just way too damn expensive on the auction house.  Since the friend I played with primarily had the same frustrations, we both quit and haven't looked back (especially since Torchlight 2 is excellent) - but I think I'll give Diablo 3 another chance when the expansion comes out.
 
2013-08-21 12:18:29 PM
Path of Exile's faaarrr superior to D3.
 
2013-08-21 12:19:45 PM

Frankentots: The only way I'll play this is if it comes with $60 and an apology.


All they had to do was make Diablo II with different graphics and a few new additions, but no, they had to ruin the fun of finding your own shiat so they could prop up their real money auction house.
 
2013-08-21 12:20:24 PM
I expect pandas.
 
2013-08-21 12:23:53 PM

Nogrhi: I expect pandas.


And improved breast physics.
 
2013-08-21 12:24:27 PM
I'm admittedly tempted to get D3 for my 360. I know everyone hates on consoles around here, but ARPGs are just better with dual thumb sticks.
 
2013-08-21 12:24:59 PM
Sorry, can't hear you over all the good games I still have waiting to be played on Steam.

/ Blizzard is dead to me
 
2013-08-21 12:27:17 PM
Yeah Subby, I don't think so.   Since Activision bought Blizzard I haven't given them any money and I don't intend to.   Just like I quit giving Westwood, Maxis, and Bioware money once they got bought out by EA.

In hindsight, I don't feel like I've missed out on much.

And really, a lot of PC games feel...lame compared to something like Dwarf Fortress.
 
2013-08-21 12:28:54 PM
Does it still require a persistant online connection? If so, fark them.
 
2013-08-21 12:29:40 PM

INeedAName: I'm admittedly tempted to get D3 for my 360. I know everyone hates on consoles around here, but ARPGs are just better with dual thumb sticks.


That's just Baal trying to corrupt you. FIGHT IT!

hydra-images.cursecdn.com
 
2013-08-21 12:31:29 PM
Still always online for single-player.  Nothing could justify that.
 
2013-08-21 12:32:04 PM

js34603: A Leaf in Fall: Diablo 3 pretty much killed my desire to play video games.

Well it killed my desire to play Diablo III that's for sure.

Torchlight 2, though, remains great fun.


Diablo 3 was so bad it made me get burned out on Torchlight 2 after a few hours despite having fun with it

maybe i'll revisit the isometric hack&slash genre in a few years
 
2013-08-21 12:34:20 PM
I like Diablo 3 and will be purchasing the expansion.

/stalks away from this thread
 
2013-08-21 12:34:24 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Frankentots: The only way I'll play this is if it comes with $60 and an apology.

All they had to do was make Diablo II with different graphics and a few new additions, but no, they had to ruin the fun of finding your own shiat so they could prop up their real money auction house.


The RMAH was such a cluster-fark even Blizzard admitted it was a bad idea.
 
2013-08-21 12:34:46 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: All they had to do was make Diablo II with different graphics and a few new additions, but no, they had to ruin the fun of finding your own shiat so they could prop up their real money auction house.


Blizzard hasn't given a flying fark about quality in their products since at least the first WoW expansion. Ever since Kotick got his filthy, shiat-stained paws into the mix the only thing that's come out of Blizzard has been by-committee trash designed exclusively to the bottom line.

Can't fault the success of the outcome, though. They knew braindead fanboys would buy anything they were told to buy so it's not like they really had to give a shiat about the people who weren't emotionally locked to the company and just wanted to continue seeing quality products released.
 
2013-08-21 12:35:29 PM
Blizzard believes that Blizzard is too big to fail.

Blizzard believes that if the word "Blizzard" is on the package, people will line up just to throw money away.

Blizzard is wrong as far as I'm concerned.
 
2013-08-21 12:35:42 PM
Well if the expansion fixes stuff for the PC version that they corrected in the console version I "might" get the expansion.
 
2013-08-21 12:37:01 PM

jso2897: Nogrhi: I expect pandas.

And improved breast physics.


Animations or it didn't happen!!
 
2013-08-21 12:39:51 PM

scottydoesntknow: INeedAName: I'm admittedly tempted to get D3 for my 360. I know everyone hates on consoles around here, but ARPGs are just better with dual thumb sticks.

That's just Baal trying to corrupt you. FIGHT IT!

[hydra-images.cursecdn.com image 88x204]


Seriously? Explain how a flat, spread out keyboard can beat the ergonomics of a controller? Not to mention I don't have to push a button to stand still, I don't have to click on an enemy to attack them, etc.

I love Torchlight, but am so much happier playing it on 360 than my computer.
 
2013-08-21 12:40:26 PM

skozlaw: Blizzard hasn't given a flying fark about quality in their products since at least the first WoW expansion. Ever since Kotick got his filthy, shiat-stained paws into the mix the only thing that's come out of Blizzard has been by-committee trash designed exclusively to the bottom line.


In all honesty, based on what I've read about the company, I'm more inclined to believe the company got way too big for its own good after World of Warcraft took off and they were simply never capable of taking on that workload.  Blizzard's stance on intellectual property rights was already in the making by early 2007 when they went to war against the Glider bot and claimed their copyright was sacred ground.  Taking on Kotick and turning the company public has just provided a convenient narrative turning point for anyone who hates what Blizzard has become.
 
2013-08-21 12:44:10 PM

INeedAName: scottydoesntknow: INeedAName: I'm admittedly tempted to get D3 for my 360. I know everyone hates on consoles around here, but ARPGs are just better with dual thumb sticks.

That's just Baal trying to corrupt you. FIGHT IT!

[hydra-images.cursecdn.com image 88x204]

Seriously? Explain how a flat, spread out keyboard can beat the ergonomics of a controller? Not to mention I don't have to push a button to stand still, I don't have to click on an enemy to attack them, etc.

I love Torchlight, but am so much happier playing it on 360 than my computer.


I was just talking about fighting the temptation in general, for both PC and console.
 
2013-08-21 12:45:05 PM
ITT:
- Butthurt basement dwellers
- Hipster Torchlight cartoon fanboys
- Ironic PoE fanboys
- Console trolls
- Noobs


Dear Blizzard, shut up and take my money.
I SAID SHUT UP AND TAKE THIS MONEY!!

Nogrhi: I expect pandas.


In the new act, you return to the Panda-monium Fortress...
 
2013-08-21 12:47:21 PM
I realize how many other pieces of software already require you to have an active internet connection and didn't get my ass kicked by the uptick in difficulty, so I'm actually looking forward to the expansion.
 
2013-08-21 12:49:49 PM

serial arseonist: ITT:
- Butthurt basement dwellers
- Hipster Torchlight cartoon fanboys
- Ironic PoE fanboys
- Console trolls
- Noobs


Dear Blizzard, shut up and take my money.
I SAID SHUT UP AND TAKE THIS MONEY!!

Nogrhi: I expect pandas.

In the new act, you return to the Panda-monium Fortress...


awwww look, it's a Blizzard employee!

Sorry you guys suck now, I used to be a HUGE fan since the Silicon Synapse days.
 
2013-08-21 12:51:34 PM
Torchlight 2 had the gameplay D3 should have had. Unfortunately the story for the Torchilight games is lame, Diablo had great storylines.

But yes, Diablo 3 blew and Blizzard is basically trying to turn everything they own into Facebook games now. fark that. I don't want to update my status when I'm playing Starcraft 2. Who the hell thought I would?
 
2013-08-21 12:51:42 PM
B-b-but.. they added a completely optional real-money system.  Only monsters do that.

media.steampowered.com
 
2013-08-21 12:51:49 PM

Kyro: I realize how many other pieces of software already require you to have an active internet connection and didn't get my ass kicked by the uptick in difficulty, so I'm actually looking forward to the expansion.


I have exactly zero pieces of software installed on my computer which both:

1) Require an active internet connection and
2) Are not used primarily for purposes involving the internet

Maybe you should look into a computer class at your local rec center or something? You seem to not know much about them.
 
2013-08-21 12:51:58 PM

Girion47: Sorry you guys suck now, I used to be a HUGE fan since the Silicon Synapse days.


Seriously.  This was the company that gave us the classic Dvorak on Typing for the Macintosh.
 
2013-08-21 12:56:19 PM

scottydoesntknow: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Frankentots: The only way I'll play this is if it comes with $60 and an apology.

All they had to do was make Diablo II with different graphics and a few new additions, but no, they had to ruin the fun of finding your own shiat so they could prop up their real money auction house.

The RMAH was such a cluster-fark even Blizzard admitted it was a bad idea.


It was indeed a terrible idea.

And now that classes go up to level 70, all level 60 gear is going to be worthless in short order. Sucks for anyone who used money to buy gear.
 
2013-08-21 12:57:17 PM

skozlaw: Maybe you should look into a computer class at your local rec center or something? You seem to not know much about them.


Actually I'm a developer.  I know a thing or two.  Maybe it's time you got off that old copy of Windows 98?
 
2013-08-21 01:01:28 PM

Nogrhi: jso2897: Nogrhi: I expect pandas.

And improved breast physics.

Animations or it didn't happen!!


It's really difficult to get the little tiny breasts in a top-down RPG to animate properly, you know - you're working with a mere handfull of pixels. Of course, my old man told me that any more than a handfull is a waste............
 
2013-08-21 01:01:45 PM

AdamK: js34603: A Leaf in Fall: Diablo 3 pretty much killed my desire to play video games.

Well it killed my desire to play Diablo III that's for sure.

Torchlight 2, though, remains great fun.

Diablo 3 was so bad it made me get burned out on Torchlight 2 after a few hours despite having fun with it

maybe i'll revisit the isometric hack&slash genre in a few years


Actually it did the same for me. After I finally got farking sick of D3 I tried TL2 but didn't get into it.

Came back a few months later and I've been enjoying it immensely, especially since they've added the modding tools since I last player and Synergies Mod makes TL2 even better.

As for the story in TL2 being inferior to D3, I submit its the same story in both... "oh hero Big Bad Guy is threatening to destroy the world, won't you level up you character and amass enough loot to defeat him?"
 
2013-08-21 01:04:33 PM
I remeber D2 being 1 dimensional and boring without the expansion.  I am hoping for the folks at Bizzard to hear a lot of the complaints and address them.

I am also hoping a billionare super model steals me away from my hum-drum life into a land of adventure and luxury.
 
2013-08-21 01:09:05 PM
 
2013-08-21 01:17:47 PM

funzyr: Blizzard believes that if the word "Blizzard" is on the package, people will line up just to throw money away.

Blizzard is wrong as far as I'm concerned.


Their building made of pure gold would disagree with you.

There might be a time in the future when people stop buying their games because the quality is lacking but that is not any time soon.  As long as there are companies releasing games in far worse shape than the Blizzard games are at release, people will still go back to Diablo, Starcraft and Warcraft, no matter what a Fark thread says.

You can argue that WoW is not the same game it was in vanilla, BC, etc, but the fact remains, if they didn't work to change the game they would have far less than 7 million subscribers now.  They would be in the Rift range, which is near 500k at last check.  While not all their changes worked, they have spent a lot of money to work on the processes.  In WoW's case, I would argue making the game easier has allowed them keep the 7 million subs they have.  If they catered to the vocal minority of hardcore players, those are the only people that would still be playing.  While it might be great from a gamer perspective, it is a terrible idea from a business model to appease a small subset of your players.

Regarding Diablo 3, thier biggest issues, IMHO, was that they assumed the real money auction house was something people wanted or would use.  And secondary to that they made buying gear in the AH a requirement of you wanted to try the hardcore levels.  I thought the mechanics of the fights were fine and the story was as good as any other version, they just made the mistake of tying too much to the AH and never figured out how to back away from that selling point.

What will be interesting to see is how the community responds when Blizzard is no longer part of Vevendi, which is in the works now.  While Activision sill still own the company, I think with Vivendi gone it will help Blizzard in the long run.  Vevendi became the majority holder of the company in 2008 and since then is really when the issues started, because their focus was shareholder returns and not quality.  Starcraft 2 (and it's boring expansion), Diablo 3 and two expansion (Cataclysm and MoP) have all occured under the watch of Vevendi.   (doing that from memory so the dates might be a little off)
 
2013-08-21 01:20:10 PM

Kyro: B-b-but.. they added a completely optional real-money system.  Only monsters do that.

[media.steampowered.com image 542x350]


I know you're trolling, but there's a huge difference here:  TF2 sold items you can find or trade for without selling money that did not give you an edge over your competitors (sure, it changed how you might play the class, but all weapons were theoretically balanced--new functions came with disadvantages).  D3, on the other hand, allowed items to be sold that basically made you go from garbage to top-player (some argue that they were even required with out infrequently you find them).

Furthermore, TF2 items dropped frequently enough that I personally NEVER purchased an item, yet managed to collect every item that offered new game-play experiences.  Diablo 3 I farmed for 3 months and only once got a good item for my class...which I ended up selling for $90 when I quit the game anyway.

/TF2 is item-selling done correctly
//Diablo 3 is pay-2-win done poorly
 
2013-08-21 01:23:43 PM

FarkGrudge: Kyro: B-b-but.. they added a completely optional real-money system.  Only monsters do that.

[media.steampowered.com image 542x350]

I know you're trolling, but there's a huge difference here:  TF2 sold items you can find or trade for without selling spending money that and which did not give you an edge over your competitors (sure, it changed how you might play the class, but all weapons were theoretically balanced--new functions came with disadvantages).  D3, on the other hand, allowed items to be sold that basically made you go from garbage to top-player (some argue that they were even required with out infrequently you find them).

Furthermore, TF2 items dropped frequently enough that I personally NEVER purchased an item, yet managed to collect every item that offered new game-play experiences.  Diablo 3 I farmed for 3 months and only once got a good item for my class...which I ended up selling for $90 when I quit the game anyway.

/TF2 is item-selling done correctly
//Diablo 3 is pay-2-win done poorly


Wow, FTFM...
 
2013-08-21 01:27:52 PM

serial arseonist: [diablo.incgamers.com image 635x350]

[diablo.incgamers.com image 635x296]


Loot 2.0 video
http://au.gamespot.com/events/gamescom-2013/loot-20-diablo-iii-reape r- of-souls-6413370/


Know what I heard through all the "new and exciting" features?

"We know we farked up royally with characters, itemization, and loot in D3. BUT if you pay $60 more, it'll play like it should have when it was released in the first place."

/60x5
//doubt I'll pick up the xpac on day 1; MAYBE after a price drop and a half dozen patches
 
2013-08-21 01:32:14 PM

bluenote13: they just made the mistake of tying too much to the AH and never figured out how to back away from that selling point.


They upped the base yellow drop rates and added paragon levels which increased MF and GF, so there was more loot available. I haven't played in about three months, but when I left it was worlds better than it was lanuch.

You still can't reliably self gear like you did in D2, but you don't have to get every single piece from the AH now. Legendaries aren't 100% stupid either.

They should make death take a percentage of gold. That would nip inflation in the bud. The total amount of gold in the world would become a function of the average rate of player death, and the % loss could be tweaked higher or lower depending on how much gold they wanted overall in the system.
 
2013-08-21 01:33:30 PM

grinding_journalist: serial arseonist: [diablo.incgamers.com image 635x350]

[diablo.incgamers.com image 635x296]


Loot 2.0 video
http://au.gamespot.com/events/gamescom-2013/loot-20-diablo-iii-reape r- of-souls-6413370/

Know what I heard through all the "new and exciting" features?

"We know we farked up royally with characters, itemization, and loot in D3. BUT if you pay $60 more, it'll play like it should have when it was released in the first place."

/60x5
//doubt I'll pick up the xpac on day 1; MAYBE after a price drop and a half dozen patches


Doubt that the paragon 2.0 and loot 2.0 wouldn't effect vanilla players as well.  Only the level caps, crusader, and maybe the two new modes are likely to require RoS.
 
2013-08-21 01:42:08 PM
Will wait till post release impressions.  Was majorly disappointed in DIII, not willing to risk the money for a pre-order again.
 
2013-08-21 01:42:24 PM
So, here's the list from what I can read online:
1.  New playable class:  Crusader
2.  One more act
3.  "New" loot system
4.  Changed level cap to 70
5.  Ability to change the look of your equipment and re-roll it's stat bonuses
6.  Possibly allowing for Paragon bonus customization

I argue #3, #5, and #6 should be done free for all players anyway as they fix original game-play issues (and probably will be available to all base-game owners with this release anyway), and clearly #4 is to force all players to buy the expansion (otherwise, they're not even kind of competitive any more).

Therefore, as I see it, all they're really offering for your money is 1 new class and 1 act.  It better be priced accordingly if they are hoping to bring any sizable amount of players back...

/also, wasn't part of the justification of RMAH supposed to be to subsidize future development?  Shouldn't the XPAC be free (or, very cheap) to ensure future RMAH profits?
 
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