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(USA Today)   If you are going to ask your son to hold your brewski to take a picture of the football game, make sure there are no undercover cops around who will nail you for minor in possession   (usatoday.com) divider line 99
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2013-08-21 12:01:09 PM
Stupid on the dad's part.  But even stupider on the cops part.  Just imagine if they had waited a few minutes.  They could have actually caught the minor in the act of drinking the beer instead of just holding it.  Or even if the son hands it back, they can get the small bust.

Stupid rule anyway.
 
2013-08-21 12:11:36 PM
In the end, officers escorted the father and son out of the University of Phoenix Stadium.

And that marks the first time anyone's ever been denied access to a University of Phoenix
 
2013-08-21 01:14:13 PM

scottydoesntknow: In the end, officers escorted the father and son out of the University of Phoenix Stadium.

And that marks the first time anyone's ever been denied access to a University of Phoenix


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2013-08-21 01:22:58 PM
Officials say Coulter is lucky he was able to walk away from the situation

He's lucky he wasn't black or hispanic.
 
2013-08-21 01:27:18 PM
"The consequences could be up to, and this is a maximum, of two years in jail, $2,500 fine and three years probation."

Yeah and that time I yacked violently all over an alley behind some stores could get me, and this is a maximum, of 10 years jail and $1,000,000 fine and being on the snacks offenders registry for life.

And yet here I am a free man.
 
2013-08-21 01:32:17 PM
Don't most states allow a minor to drink alcohol provided they are in the presence of a parent or guardian?  Or is that only on personal property?
 
2013-08-21 01:40:16 PM

ShawnDoc: Don't most states allow a minor to drink alcohol provided they are in the presence of a parent or guardian?  Or is that only on personal property?


I believe that is on personal property.  I'm sure its not every state or city.  As well, I assume you have to be the parent or guardian (so you can't let your teenager throw a party with booze for all their friends).
 
2013-08-21 02:10:24 PM
"Brewski"?

While I was blinking, did we suddenly time travel back to the '80s?
 
2013-08-21 02:13:44 PM
I'm all for keeping drugs and alcohol away from kids. But why is it that cops are never allowed to, or choose not to, use common sense in these kinds of situations? If I was a cop I'd just tell the guy not to hand his beer to his son again and go about my business. There's bigger fish to fry. Making a big deal out of it just seems like a cop on a power trip getting off on farking up someones day.

/DNRTFA
 
2013-08-21 02:13:51 PM

gopher321: "Brewski"?

While I was blinking, did we suddenly time travel back to the '80s?


Even further - 1919.
Bloody puritans!
 
2013-08-21 02:14:29 PM
Booze laws are weird. If my son goes to the liquor store with me, he's not allowed to help me carry items out of the store. Out in the parking lot is fine, but if I'm struggling with a case of beer, a bottle of gin, a bottle of bourbon, and whatever my wife is having, I have to schlep it all out the door before he can help.

THANKS, OBAMA!
 
2013-08-21 02:15:21 PM

Esroc: I'm all for keeping drugs and alcohol away from kids. But why is it that cops are never allowed to, or choose not to, use common sense in these kinds of situations? If I was a cop I'd just tell the guy not to hand his beer to his son again and go about my business. There's bigger fish to fry. Making a big deal out of it just seems like a cop on a power trip getting off on farking up someones day.

/DNRTFA


Why? Is there something wrong with having your kid hold a beer for you?
 
2013-08-21 02:15:52 PM
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2013-08-21 02:16:56 PM
So having my daughters help carry the groceries to the car could get me two years in the hole if I bought a bottle of wine?
 
2013-08-21 02:17:14 PM
He should have said it was for religious or medical purposes.

http://drinkingage.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=002591
 
2013-08-21 02:18:35 PM

downstairs: ShawnDoc: Don't most states allow a minor to drink alcohol provided they are in the presence of a parent or guardian?  Or is that only on personal property?

I believe that is on personal property.  I'm sure its not every state or city.  As well, I assume you have to be the parent or guardian (so you can't let your teenager throw a party with booze for all their friends).


At least in Wisconsin if a minor is with their parent, they can drink at restaurants and bars as well. At least I remember hearing that at some point.
 
2013-08-21 02:18:44 PM
Why are we so prudish about alcohol in this country? Letting a 15 year old have a beer may be illegal, but it is not a crime.
 
2013-08-21 02:19:01 PM

downstairs: ShawnDoc: Don't most states allow a minor to drink alcohol provided they are in the presence of a parent or guardian?  Or is that only on personal property?

I believe that is on personal property.  I'm sure its not every state or city.  As well, I assume you have to be the parent or guardian (so you can't let your teenager throw a party with booze for all their friends).


Every locality is different.  Some areas don't get dragged into this "alcohol is from the Devil" logic.  They will allow a minor to drink as long as they are within a certain distance to their legal guardian.

I remember when TABC came up to me and threaten to throw 6 beers out because my friends let them sit on the table with me while they went to get food at Minute Maid Park.

Never goin' back there and now it sounds like I am never going to the Cardinal's stadium either.  Stupid alcohol rules.
 
2013-08-21 02:20:21 PM

ISubmittedThisYesterdayWithAMuchFunnierHeadline: So having my daughters help carry the groceries to the car could get me two years in the hole if I bought a bottle of wine?


Could I get two years in her hole if I bring a bottle of wine?


So sorry.  Couldn't resist.  I'll just slink away now.
 
2013-08-21 02:21:15 PM
CSB: I was at an Indianapolis Indians game with my grandpa one time. I went to the bathroom and he picked up two beers for us. I had just turned 21 a few months before. A kid who couldn't have been more than 18 demanded to see my ID as we were going back to our seats. He had a nametag on but no team apparel or anything identification-wise. I told him I'd show a cop my ID but not him. He started spouting a bunch of nonsense, so I just walked over to the nearest cop and told him that the gentleman over there wanted to check my ID. He looked at the kid, said "not this shiat again" and checked my ID. As I was walking away I could hear him tell that kid to "Cut that shiat out and let me know if you see someone who might be underage."

Faux security for the win?
 
2013-08-21 02:21:23 PM
When you base your performance reviews of cops and/or security guards on how many arrests they make and how many people they harass then this is what happens.
 
2013-08-21 02:21:50 PM

cybrwzrd: Why are we so prudish about alcohol in this country? Letting a 15 year old have a beer may be illegal, but it is not a crime.


So that's law #42,815 where that's the case.
 
2013-08-21 02:24:09 PM

ISubmittedThisYesterdayWithAMuchFunnierHeadline: So having my daughters help carry the groceries to the car could get me two years in the hole if I bought a bottle of wine?


Right before I turned 21 (I mean, maybe a week before), I was helping my mom pick out booze for a party. The guy at the liquor store snapped at her for letting me carry a bottle to the register. He said I was legally not allowed to even handle a sealed bottle.
 
2013-08-21 02:25:26 PM

Esroc: I'm all for keeping drugs and alcohol away from kids. But why is it that cops are never allowed to, or choose not to, use common sense in these kinds of situations? If I was a cop I'd just tell the guy not to hand his beer to his son again and go about my business. There's bigger fish to fry. Making a big deal out of it just seems like a cop on a power trip getting off on farking up someones day.

/DNRTFA


Those cops were told to write tickets / kick out anyone underage alcohol. They don't give a rats ass about fair. All they care about is doing what their boss told them to do. They know regardless of the situation that if they follow their orders that the bosses will have their back no matter what they do. And we see here in this situation the head cop doesn't say that his officers acted inappropriately or that they should have just warned the guy. He comes right out and says the guy is lucky his boys cut him a break or he would be facing serious jail and fines. This is how all cops act for the most part.
 
2013-08-21 02:25:26 PM

ShawnDoc: Don't most states allow a minor to drink alcohol provided they are in the presence of a parent or guardian?  Or is that only on personal property?


This is true in Texas. Why ELSE does Lupe's Tortilla's happy hour start just after school ends?
 
2013-08-21 02:26:17 PM

Esroc: I'm all for keeping drugs and alcohol away from kids. But why is it that cops are never allowed to, or choose not to, use common sense in these kinds of situations? If I was a cop I'd just tell the guy not to hand his beer to his son again and go about my business. There's bigger fish to fry. Making a big deal out of it just seems like a cop on a power trip getting off on farking up someones day.


So basically, a routine day for the cowardly douchebag cops. Arresting a real criminal is dangerous, you could get hurt. Hassling this guy is way safer. Even if it makes you look like a pathetic schoolyard bully.
 
2013-08-21 02:26:21 PM

ISubmittedThisYesterdayWithAMuchFunnierHeadline: So having my daughters help carry the groceries to the car could get me two years in the hole if I bought a bottle of wine?


If you opened it on the way out of the supermarket, then yeah.

Used to be a law.. uh.. somewhere I lived.. that even checkout clerks at the grocery stores couldn't touch alcohol. Customer had to drag it over the scanner and bag it him/herself. At some stores, even that wasn't allowed. Had to wait for a supervisor to do it.

//stupid laws
 
2013-08-21 02:26:40 PM
I once tried to buy a 30 pack of beer at a local drug store, and was denied, because I was accompanied by my 12 yr old son.
 
2013-08-21 02:27:11 PM

Chinchillazilla: He said I was legally not allowed to even handle a sealed bottle.


PA, right?
 
2013-08-21 02:28:52 PM

Chinchillazilla: ISubmittedThisYesterdayWithAMuchFunnierHeadline: So having my daughters help carry the groceries to the car could get me two years in the hole if I bought a bottle of wine?

Right before I turned 21 (I mean, maybe a week before), I was helping my mom pick out booze for a party. The guy at the liquor store snapped at her for letting me carry a bottle to the register. He said I was legally not allowed to even handle a sealed bottle.


Inside their store, yes. The 2nd to last thing they want to do is piss off customers. The LAST thing they want to do is piss off the liquor board or whatever the governing body is. Losing a customer hurts, losing your license to sell KILLS.
 
2013-08-21 02:30:26 PM
My (idiot for getting caught) 16 yo daughter was caught at a party in Phoenix holding a cup of foam from a keg.  Yes, minor in possession.  But all she got was a $50.00 'diversion' fee and she had to take a class.  Seems like the whole "MAXIMUM SENTENCE" thing is BS.

But it makes for a better story, huh?
 
2013-08-21 02:31:04 PM
Is this an affront to the catholic church? Or to every parent?
 
2013-08-21 02:31:42 PM
Coulter says they told him that what he did was illegal and that he could be arrested for it. In the end, officers escorted the father and son out of the University of Phoenix Stadium.

Wow, you could drive a truck through the whole in this story.  What was dad's Weeners to the cops?
 
2013-08-21 02:31:50 PM
No cup holders?  It's entrapment I tell ya.
 
2013-08-21 02:31:58 PM

Kirzania: Chinchillazilla: He said I was legally not allowed to even handle a sealed bottle.

PA, right?


Nope, Kentucky. But close enough, probably.
 
2013-08-21 02:32:03 PM

Russ1642: When you base your performance reviews of cops and/or security guards on how many arrests they make and how many people they harass then this is what happens.


Bingo.  Welcome to our "justice" system.  Where police performance is measured on how many people they ticket or arrest, detectives are measured on how many times they can pin a case on someone and "solve" it, and prosecutors are measured on how many convictions they get.  Neither the arrested or convicted parties need be guilty of anything, they still count.  They system does not give a shiat.
 
2013-08-21 02:32:26 PM

Esroc: I'm all for keeping drugs and alcohol away from kids. But why is it that cops are never allowed to, or choose not to, use common sense in these kinds of situations? If I was a cop I'd just tell the guy not to hand his beer to his son again and go about my business. There's bigger fish to fry. Making a big deal out of it just seems like a cop on a power trip getting off on farking up someones day.

/DNRTFA


It is ALWAYS this.  If they were real tough guys instead of prissy douchebags, they would have the guts to hang out in the rough neighborhoods and try to make them safer.  Instead, they want to tase somebody for BS "non-compliance" for the power trip.

I think it should be a requirement that every officer should be tased at the end of his shift once for every time he tased a civillian.
 
2013-08-21 02:35:10 PM

Kirzania: This is true in Texas. Why ELSE does Lupe's Tortilla's happy hour start just after school ends?


Throw the kids in the sandbox with a 6-pack?
 
2013-08-21 02:35:24 PM

ISubmittedThisYesterdayWithAMuchFunnierHeadline: So having my daughters help carry the groceries to the car could get me two years in the hole if I bought a bottle of wine?



Not two years as far as I know.  I know that's what the article says, and they're quoting a cop, but in Arizona the maximum for a class 1 misdemeanor is 6 months.  Most likely actual result is 12 months probation and a couple hundred dollars in fines.  What should happen is that the officer should simply not cite you, or once referred to a city/county attorney, the prosecutor should dismiss it.  That is assuming that your story (or the Dad's story in this case) hold up.

Here is the relevant statute:

ARS 4-224:   9. Except as provided in paragraphs 10 and 11 of this section, for a licensee or other person to sell, furnish, dispose of or give, or cause to be sold, furnished, disposed of or given, to a person under the legal drinking age or for a person under the legal drinking age to buy, receive, have in the person's possession or consume spirituous liquor*. This paragraph shall not prohibit the employment by an off-sale retailer of persons who are at least sixteen years of age to check out, if supervised by a person on the premises who is at least nineteen years of age, package or carry merchandise, including spirituous liquor, in unbroken packages, for the convenience of the customer of the employer, if the employer sells primarily merchandise other than spirituous liquor.

10. For a licensee to employ a person under nineteen years of age to manufacture, sell or dispose of spirituous liquors. This paragraph shall not prohibit the employment by an off-sale retailer of persons who are at least sixteen years of age to check out, if supervised by a person on the premises who is at least nineteen years of age, package or carry merchandise, including spirituous liquor, in unbroken packages, for the convenience of the customer of the employer, if the employer sells primarily merchandise other than spirituous liquor.

*Under ARS 4-101 the term "Spirituous liquor" includes alcohol, brandy, whiskey, rum, tequila, mescal, gin, wine, porter, ale, beer, any malt liquor or malt beverage, absinthe, a compound or mixture of any of them or of any of them with any vegetable or other substance, alcohol bitters, bitters containing alcohol, any liquid mixture or preparation, whether patented or otherwise, which produces intoxication, fruits preserved in ardent spirits, and beverages containing more than one-half of one per cent of alcohol by volume.

As you can see, the law contains an exception for employees of the store who check or help carry your merchandise, but not for other minors who perform the same task.  A better rule would be to change the exception to read "It shall not be a crime for a person who is under the legal drinking age to be in possession of alcohol if that person is under the supervision of their parent or legal guardian while in possession, or for employees of a retail business who are over age 16 to be in possession for purposes related to their employment."

Disclaimer: I am a lawyer but I'm not your lawyer and this is not legal advice.  This is only general information about the law in response to hypothetical question.  Should you need actual legal advice, seek out an attorney who is licensed to practice in your state.
 
2013-08-21 02:35:31 PM
Isn't being impaired a necessity for attending a Cardinals Pre-season game?
 
2013-08-21 02:36:49 PM

downstairs: ShawnDoc: Don't most states allow a minor to drink alcohol provided they are in the presence of a parent or guardian?  Or is that only on personal property?

I believe that is on personal property.  I'm sure its not every state or city.  As well, I assume you have to be the parent or guardian (so you can't let your teenager throw a party with booze for all their friends).


In Wisconsin you can have your minor drink at home, or in a bar if you are the legal guardian.  Until they are 18, in which case I am pretty sure they can't.  (Of course, around here, pretty much every kid has a fake ID by that time anyway so NBD.)

So there would be no basis for arrest or a ticket here.

Wisconsin, out drinking your state since 1848.
 
2013-08-21 02:37:11 PM

scottydoesntknow: Chinchillazilla: ISubmittedThisYesterdayWithAMuchFunnierHeadline: So having my daughters help carry the groceries to the car could get me two years in the hole if I bought a bottle of wine?

Right before I turned 21 (I mean, maybe a week before), I was helping my mom pick out booze for a party. The guy at the liquor store snapped at her for letting me carry a bottle to the register. He said I was legally not allowed to even handle a sealed bottle.

Inside their store, yes. The 2nd to last thing they want to do is piss off customers. The LAST thing they want to do is piss off the liquor board or whatever the governing body is. Losing a customer hurts, losing your license to sell KILLS.


Not that it's anywhere near the end of the world but the Applebees by me closed down permanently because they got hit by the ABC for underage service issues and had their liquor license pulled for 48 hours. So instead the franchisee/corporate shut the doors for good.
 
2013-08-21 02:37:13 PM

miltoncharles: ISubmittedThisYesterdayWithAMuchFunnierHeadline: So having my daughters help carry the groceries to the car could get me two years in the hole if I bought a bottle of wine?

If you opened it on the way out of the supermarket, then yeah.

Used to be a law.. uh.. somewhere I lived.. that even checkout clerks at the grocery stores couldn't touch alcohol. Customer had to drag it over the scanner and bag it him/herself. At some stores, even that wasn't allowed. Had to wait for a supervisor to do it.

//stupid laws


In Ohio, you need to go to the cashier that looks older than 21 or they have to get a supervisor to ring you up (or even the bag-boy if they are over 21).

Minors aren't allowed to pick out or carry the beer in the store even after checking out (same with lottery tickets).

However, as far as I know... a parent can serve beer/wine to their child even in a bar or restaurant but the waitress has to serve the beer to the parent.

/not a lawyer.  It came up in a discussion at work and someone looked it up.
 
2013-08-21 02:37:17 PM
cascadeclimbers.com
 
2013-08-21 02:37:32 PM
When did this country loose our common sense?
 
2013-08-21 02:39:23 PM

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Coulter says they told him that what he did was illegal and that he could be arrested for it. In the end, officers escorted the father and son out of the University of Phoenix Stadium.

Wow, you could drive a truck through the whole in this story.  What was dad's Weeners to the cops?


Weeners to the cops is why I usually get kicked out of baseball games.
 
2013-08-21 02:39:32 PM
Pretty sure my kid can drink whatever I let him drink here in Wisconsin.
 
2013-08-21 02:41:33 PM

abhorrent1: downstairs: ShawnDoc: Don't most states allow a minor to drink alcohol provided they are in the presence of a parent or guardian?  Or is that only on personal property?

I believe that is on personal property.  I'm sure its not every state or city.  As well, I assume you have to be the parent or guardian (so you can't let your teenager throw a party with booze for all their friends).

At least in Wisconsin if a minor is with their parent, they can drink at restaurants and bars as well. At least I remember hearing that at some point.


Wisconsin law is kids can drink with their parents any time, any place.  But those kids cannot later leave their parent's vicinity until they can register 0%.

We just got back from Seattle and Vancouver, BC.  Talk about seriously farked up restrictions.  all we wanted to do half the time was eat lunch at a brew pub, and it was like trying to get the kids into a strip club.
 
2013-08-21 02:42:09 PM
There was more than two people at a Cardinals game?
 
2013-08-21 02:43:46 PM

Chinchillazilla: He said I was legally not allowed to even handle a sealed bottle.


You should have dropped it on the ground. They can't charge you for it -- it's illegal for you to buy it, too.
 
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