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(The Tennessean)   Remington Arms is looking to relocate its manufacturing plant in Tennessee, after New York passed laws to ban the very weapons that the company produced there   (tennessean.com) divider line 215
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vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-21 12:09:07 PM
Some things just need to be done at the national level.
 
2013-08-21 12:11:20 PM
<shrug>  And?
 
2013-08-21 12:14:40 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: <shrug>  And?


A small town in upstate New York will lose its primary employer who makes a profitable product because of a state law.  Agree or disagree on the law it is a big deal for that town.
 
2013-08-21 12:23:25 PM
so they're doing this as a purely political fark-you to new york. whether or not they manufacture in a strict gun laws state won't change their sales. hell, jack daniels is famously distilled in a dry county. does that affect sales?
 
2013-08-21 12:25:32 PM

Tom_Slick: Benevolent Misanthrope: <shrug>  And?

A small town in upstate New York will lose its primary employer who makes a profitable product because of a state law.  Agree or disagree on the law it is a big deal for that town.


I don't doubt it.  But companies move every day, and legislatures voting gun legislation wold be stupid to argue, "B-b-b-but, there's a GUN COMPANY that would be hurt by this!"
 
wee [TotalFark]
2013-08-21 12:29:23 PM

vpb: Some things just need to be done at the national level.


Like creating a law that would invalidate idiocy like NY's state law?
 
2013-08-21 12:29:54 PM

Tom_Slick: Benevolent Misanthrope: <shrug>  And?

A small town in upstate New York will lose its primary employer who makes a profitable product because of a state law.  Agree or disagree on the law it is a big deal for that town.


Yeah, the town of Ilion is done if Remington moves. Along with pretty much the towns of Herkimer and Mohawk.
 
2013-08-21 12:32:09 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Tom_Slick: Benevolent Misanthrope: <shrug>  And?

A small town in upstate New York will lose its primary employer who makes a profitable product because of a state law.  Agree or disagree on the law it is a big deal for that town.

I don't doubt it.  But companies move every day, and legislatures voting gun legislation wold be stupid to argue, "B-b-b-but, there's a GUN COMPANY that would be hurt by this!"


That's the point, the gun company won't be hurt by the law, they'll just move, the town, the people supporting the industry, they are the ones who end up paying for it.
 
2013-08-21 12:36:40 PM

Tom_Slick: That's the point, the gun company won't be hurt by the law


They will be losing sales in New York.
 
2013-08-21 12:37:22 PM

Tom_Slick: That's the point, the gun company won't be hurt by the law, they'll just move, the town, the people supporting the industry, they are the ones who end up paying for it.


But the people that voted for it feel better about themselves, and really isn't that the important part?
 
2013-08-21 12:41:41 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Tom_Slick: That's the point, the gun company won't be hurt by the law, they'll just move, the town, the people supporting the industry, they are the ones who end up paying for it.

But the people that voted for it feel better about themselves, and really isn't that the important part?


And they got to stick it to those evil gun-owners!

/there's a reason that the ACLU and APA have misgivings about the abortion that is the NYSAFE Act
 
2013-08-21 12:44:26 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Tom_Slick: That's the point, the gun company won't be hurt by the law

They will be losing sales in New York.


I doubt New York is one of their high volume states, losing Texas, Louisiana, or just about any other state in the deep south or west would be a bigger deal for them.
 
2013-08-21 12:54:26 PM

Tom_Slick: Dancin_In_Anson: Tom_Slick: That's the point, the gun company won't be hurt by the law

They will be losing sales in New York.

I doubt New York is one of their high volume states, losing Texas, Louisiana, or just about any other state in the deep south or west would be a bigger deal for them.


But New York *DOES* profit from the taxes Remington and it's employees pay, and by extension all the local businesses that support Remington, so this is their way of voting with their feet and saying "We don't care if we can still manufacture them here, we will not support a government that is actively trying to screw us out of business".
 
2013-08-21 12:56:19 PM

Tom_Slick: I doubt New York is one of their high volume states


It ain't all the Big Apple, son. There's an awful lot of country folk out there.
 
2013-08-21 12:57:42 PM

dittybopper: Tom_Slick: Dancin_In_Anson: Tom_Slick: That's the point, the gun company won't be hurt by the law

They will be losing sales in New York.

I doubt New York is one of their high volume states, losing Texas, Louisiana, or just about any other state in the deep south or west would be a bigger deal for them.

But New York *DOES* profit from the taxes Remington and it's employees pay, and by extension all the local businesses that support Remington, so this is their way of voting with their feet and saying "We don't care if we can still manufacture them here, we will not support a government that is actively trying to screw us out of business".


I should also point out that they can probably pay lower wages in Tennessee while still providing the same standard of living that their employees enjoyed in NY, and in all likelihood their property and corporate income taxes in TN will be lower than in NY.

In a way, it's sad to see them go:  Remington has been manufacturing guns in New York State for nearly 200 years, having been founded in 1816.   In another way, I'm glad that they are leaving, and I just wish the circumstances were such that I could leave as well.
 
2013-08-21 12:58:00 PM
Nice... Remington gives a big FARK YOU to central New Yorkers.. the very people in the state who oppose firearm regulation.

Meanwhile in New York and Albany... "Meh"
 
2013-08-21 01:00:01 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Nice... Remington New York gives a big FARK YOU to central New Yorkers..


Fixed that for you.
 
2013-08-21 01:00:17 PM

dittybopper: Tom_Slick: Dancin_In_Anson: Tom_Slick: That's the point, the gun company won't be hurt by the law

They will be losing sales in New York.

I doubt New York is one of their high volume states, losing Texas, Louisiana, or just about any other state in the deep south or west would be a bigger deal for them.

But New York *DOES* profit from the taxes Remington and it's employees pay, and by extension all the local businesses that support Remington, so this is their way of voting with their feet and saying "We don't care if we can still manufacture them here, we will not support a government that is actively trying to screw us out of business".


And that's ignoring the hypocrisy.  On the one hand, the products that Remington makes are illegal, dangerous, and evil in the eyes of the legislature.  But they're not evil or dangerous enough for the state to not collect revenue from their manufacture and sale, which they continue to allow in the state.
 
2013-08-21 01:01:34 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: But companies move every day, and legislatures voting gun legislation wold be stupid to argue, "B-b-b-but, there's a GUN COMPANY that would be hurt by this!"


Remington has been continuously manufacturing guns in New York for 197 years.  It's not some "fly by night" corporation that doesn't have deep roots in the community.
 
2013-08-21 01:04:51 PM

the_rev: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Nice... Remington New York gives a big FARK YOU to central New Yorkers..

Fixed that for you.


Yep.  Remington wouldn't have even contemplated the move were it not for Andrew Cuomo's midnight gun law.
 
2013-08-21 01:11:29 PM
Beretta has a factory in Maryland that they are moving because of a similar situation.
 
2013-08-21 01:20:32 PM

vernonFL: Beretta has a factory in Maryland that they are moving because of a similar situation.


Magpul is leaving Colorado, as well.  But not before allowing CO residents to "cut in line" and buy standard capacity magazines in quantity before the state's ban goes into effect, and not having to wait for the months-long backorder.

This is partly the reason why Illinois, despite record Democratic supermajorities in both chambers and a virulently anti-gun governor, steers clear of gun bans.  The state has more gun manufacturers than almost any other state (Springfield Armory, Armalite, LMT, Rock River, among others...), and they've pretty much all threatened to leave and take their blue-collar, union manufacturing jobs with them whenever Quinn floats a gun ban.
 
2013-08-21 01:32:43 PM
Do you think maybe General Dynamics will take this cue and move out of Connecticut?  After all, the nuclear submarines they produce are banned for civilian use in CT.
 
2013-08-21 01:33:39 PM
The real WTF here is that they are considering Tennessee.
 
2013-08-21 01:34:08 PM

vpb: Some things just need to be done at the national level.


RON PAUL disapproves.

/RON PAUL.
 
2013-08-21 01:34:45 PM
They'll cite the law, but it has little to nothing to do with the decision. Companies don't do shiat like this to make a statement, they do it because they think they'll turn more profit at the new location.
 
2013-08-21 01:35:27 PM

ShawnDoc: The real WTF here is that they are considering Tennessee.


The article spells out why it wouldn't be a bad move, they have several facilities and satellite operations nearby.

/also close to Hickok45
 
2013-08-21 01:36:13 PM
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/family member dead from gun violence gives me a pass- I don't need anything other than that to hate the goddamn things.
//don't give a shiat if that's irrational, or seems like it to anybody else.  Give me back my cousin, and we'll talk about what's rational.
 
2013-08-21 01:36:35 PM
PTR Industries, gun maker, is leaving Connecticut, for the same reason. Going South, lower wages, lower costs, Connecticut passed stricter gun laws. Right after Newtown. So PTR is taking advantage of it, and is leaving to profit elsewhere.
 
2013-08-21 01:36:44 PM

vpb: Some things just need to be done at the national level.


Local gun laws are worse than useless.  See, there's this thing called a car.  You can get in the car, and, if you are willing to break the law, drive to a state where such weapons are legal, buy some, and then drive back to the state where they are illegal.  So, criminals will have these weapons easily yet law abiding citizens will not.
 
2013-08-21 01:38:39 PM

kimwim: PTR Industries, gun maker, is leaving Connecticut, for the same reason. Going South, lower wages, lower costs, Connecticut passed stricter gun laws. Right after Newtown. So PTR is taking advantage of it, and is leaving to profit elsewhere.


But, but, freedom.
 
2013-08-21 01:43:00 PM

Tom_Slick: Benevolent Misanthrope: Tom_Slick: Benevolent Misanthrope: <shrug>  And?

A small town in upstate New York will lose its primary employer who makes a profitable product because of a state law.  Agree or disagree on the law it is a big deal for that town.

I don't doubt it.  But companies move every day, and legislatures voting gun legislation wold be stupid to argue, "B-b-b-but, there's a GUN COMPANY that would be hurt by this!"

That's the point, the gun company won't be hurt by the law, they'll just move, the town, the people supporting the industry, they are the ones who end up paying for it.


Only because states cannot ban goods coming in from other states.  If we allowed state governments to fight back against businesses that move jobs by making requirements to operate in the state then these shenanigans that companies pull will disappear.
 
2013-08-21 01:44:41 PM

HotWingConspiracy: They'll cite the law, but it has little to nothing to do with the decision. Companies don't do shiat like this to make a statement, they do it because they think they'll turn more profit at the new location.


So Remington waited 197 years for the right economic moment to move?
 
2013-08-21 01:44:52 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: It ain't all the Big Apple, son. There's an awful lot of country folk out there.


actually, the thing is... there aren't really. 92% of new york residents live in urban areas. 40% of the overall population lives in the city (not counting the suburbs.)

simply put, the rural folk are barely even countable anymore.
 
2013-08-21 01:47:26 PM

FlashHarry: so they're doing this as a purely political fark-you to new york. whether or not they manufacture in a strict gun laws state won't change their sales. hell, jack daniels is famously distilled in a dry county. does that affect sales?


The people that vote for these laws need to see the consequences of their actions.
 
2013-08-21 01:48:19 PM

Geotpf: vpb: Some things just need to be done at the national level.

Local gun laws are worse than useless.  See, there's this thing called a car.  You can get in the car, and, if you are willing to break the law, drive to a state where such weapons are legal, buy some, and then drive back to the state where they are illegal.  So, criminals will have these weapons easily yet law abiding citizens will not.


Yes, by all means, the entire country should be ruled by New York. One caveat, the rest of the country would have to be lobotomized to go along with it.
 
2013-08-21 01:50:02 PM
Frankly, I'm surprised that gun manufacturing jobs didn't move offshore years ago.  Must have something to do with legality.
 
2013-08-21 01:50:13 PM

Fark It: vernonFL: Beretta has a factory in Maryland that they are moving because of a similar situation.

Magpul is leaving Colorado, as well.  But not before allowing CO residents to "cut in line" and buy standard capacity magazines in quantity before the state's ban goes into effect, and not having to wait for the months-long backorder.

This is partly the reason why Illinois, despite record Democratic supermajorities in both chambers and a virulently anti-gun governor, steers clear of gun bans.  The state has more gun manufacturers than almost any other state (Springfield Armory, Armalite, LMT, Rock River, among others...), and they've pretty much all threatened to leave and take their blue-collar, union manufacturing jobs with them whenever Quinn floats a gun ban.


Liberal hypocrisy at its finest.  If you truly believe that guns are evil and have no place in society, you shouldn't feel so giddy collecting their tax money.
 
2013-08-21 01:52:51 PM

OregonVet: Geotpf: vpb: Some things just need to be done at the national level.

Local gun laws are worse than useless.  See, there's this thing called a car.  You can get in the car, and, if you are willing to break the law, drive to a state where such weapons are legal, buy some, and then drive back to the state where they are illegal.  So, criminals will have these weapons easily yet law abiding citizens will not.

Yes, by all means, the entire country should be ruled by New York. One caveat, the rest of the country would have to be lobotomized to go along with it.


Well, I was actually more going along the lines of the other way; IE, nobody should pass local gun laws that are more restrictive than what could be passed on the Federal level.
 
2013-08-21 01:53:21 PM

Babwa Wawa: Do you think maybe General Dynamics will take this cue and move out of Connecticut?  After all, the nuclear submarines they produce are banned for civilian use in CT.


Has their Electric Boat division ever sold to civilians?

The majority of Remington's customers are civilians.  In fact, they could stop selling completely to the government, and it would only have a relatively minor effect on their bottom line.

If I were Remington, I would also refuse to sell any gun to any government entity in New York State that isn't legal for a typical NY citizen to own.  They should apply the Ronnie Barrett doctrine.
 
2013-08-21 01:54:02 PM

Fark It: ShawnDoc: The real WTF here is that they are considering Tennessee.

The article spells out why it wouldn't be a bad move, they have several facilities and satellite operations nearby.

/also close to Hickok45


Hey, if I cared about the reasons or justification I would have read the article.  Don't harsh on my Tennessee hate.
 
2013-08-21 01:55:11 PM

FlashHarry: so they're doing this as a purely political fark-you to new york. whether or not they manufacture in a strict gun laws state won't change their sales. hell, jack daniels is famously distilled in a dry county. does that affect sales?


It's more than political, it's financial.  1200 jobs, 1200 taxpaying citizens...  Nobody is forced to live or run a business in a particular state (yet).  If lawmakers are acting counter to you or your businesses interests, why not move?
 
2013-08-21 01:55:14 PM

tricycleracer: Frankly, I'm surprised that gun manufacturing jobs didn't move offshore years ago.  Must have something to do with legality.


The restrictions on the types of guns that can be imported are, in fact, stronger than the types of guns that can be manufactured domestically.  Which frankly doesn't make any sense, but meh.
 
2013-08-21 01:55:52 PM

tlchwi02: simply put, the rural folk are barely even countable anymore.


So kick them to the curb. Hell of a plan there Governor.
 
2013-08-21 01:56:00 PM

dittybopper: HotWingConspiracy: They'll cite the law, but it has little to nothing to do with the decision. Companies don't do shiat like this to make a statement, they do it because they think they'll turn more profit at the new location.

So Remington waited 197 years for the right economic moment to move?


No time like the present. Do you think they'll turn less profit in Tn?
 
2013-08-21 01:57:49 PM
They were going to move regardless of the law passing. This just gives them a convenient excuse to climb a cross.
 
2013-08-21 02:02:07 PM

Nemo's Brother: FlashHarry: so they're doing this as a purely political fark-you to new york. whether or not they manufacture in a strict gun laws state won't change their sales. hell, jack daniels is famously distilled in a dry county. does that affect sales?

The people that vote for these laws need to see the consequences of their actions.


So you agree Jack Daniels should move?
 
2013-08-21 02:03:01 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: tlchwi02: simply put, the rural folk are barely even countable anymore.

So kick them to the curb. Hell of a plan there Governor.


Interesting that since guns are involved, you are suddenly concerned about a company moving and hurting "rural folks".

Never bothered you before, but now...
 
2013-08-21 02:03:28 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: So kick them to the curb. Hell of a plan there Governor.


its called "representational democracy" for a reason. The majority elects a legislature and executive who then make laws and enforce them. If the minority feels that their rights are being trampeled, they can either appeal to the courts on the grounds that the state or federal constitution is being violated or they can attempt to convince the majority to change their minds and thus become the majority. But of course, i am sure you are a ceaseless champion of the rights of minority groups like gay people, the transgendered, mentally ill, people of color, etc, etc and not just outraged only in this specific instance, right?
 
2013-08-21 02:03:58 PM

Lost Thought 00: They were going to move regardless of the law passing. This just gives them a convenient excuse to climb a cross.


Yep. Makes good business sense to move. This "controversy" is just good publicity.

Remington also has plants in Lonoke, Ark. (a five-hour drive from Nashville), and in Mayfield, Ky. (a two-hour drive from Nashville). It also has a technical and research center in Elizabethtown, Ky., which is also about two hours from Nashville. The company also has distribution operations in Memphis managed by a third-party company.

A plant between Nashville and Clarksville would put Remington closer to those operations in Kentucky.
 
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