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2013-08-21 11:13:32 AM

IlGreven: 35 years for a man who caused fewer deaths than George Zimmerman.


still mad bro? Proof is a motherfarker
 
2013-08-21 11:13:39 AM

mechgreg: I don't know a ton about this case


And that's alll that needs to be said about most of the American public.  Most of us aren't paying attention.  A few of us are, but we're a small minority.  Manning is no hero.  He may have been a confused little boy who our military placed too much trust in and acted foolishly, but he's certainly not a hero.
 
2013-08-21 11:13:47 AM

mechgreg: what kind of crappy computer system does the US Army have


really?
you want to know what kind it is?
they bought it off of Drew via Craig's List.
It came preinfected.
They are still figuring out how to attach files in AOL emails.
If you can defrag a windows 98 box, they will give you a warrent officer rank.
 
2013-08-21 11:13:50 AM

m1ke: I like the idea that exposing the government's illegal activities is now considered treason.  U. S. A.! U. S. A.!


Again, that's not all that went on here. Either being ignorant of or just ignoring the rest doesn't serve anyone.
 
2013-08-21 11:14:03 AM

Outrageous Muff: Pro Tip: When leaking evidence of a war crime, stop at the war crime, no matter what an attention whore from another country tells you to do.


Good advice.
 
2013-08-21 11:14:21 AM
Remember folks, it's the government's job to keep us safe. They just can't have an secrets when doing it.
 
2013-08-21 11:14:46 AM

Lady J: so if you have evidence that your employer breaks the law, but you've signed a contract keeping everything you see at work secret, what are you supposed to do?


Among other things, release only the stuff pertinent to him breaking the law?

Again. He released a lot of shiat *that did not have to do with US wrongdoing*. Things that contained, *unredacted*, the names of, say, informants who were tipping off the US to terror plots.

shiat that you kind of want to keep secret to keep *folks, and their families from getting murdered*.
 
2013-08-21 11:14:47 AM

EyeballKid: Carth: This just in: if you break the law and get caught there is a good chance you'll go to jail!

[si.wsj.net image 553x369]
"Oh, aren't you cute!"


Yeah, THAT bastard deserves farking life in an Afghan prison.
 
2013-08-21 11:14:59 AM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Carth


It will be interesting to see if Obama pardons him on his last day in office.

This will not happen because of the spring board it could give the GOP on how if you aren't Republican you are a terrorist, traitor or sympathizer.


It would be after the elections already happened so the fallout isn't as big. They tried bring up Clinton's pardons in the midterms but it never stuck. Most likely they'd gnash their teeth about it for 6-12 months and the next Dem candidate would talk about how irresponsible it was and how they would never do it.
 
2013-08-21 11:15:09 AM
The real crime is that our government could classify 250k documents out of reach of the public.
 
2013-08-21 11:15:19 AM

vygramul: Carth: This just in: if you break the law and get caught there is a good chance you'll go to jail!


It will be interesting to see if Obama pardons him on his last day in office.

If you're putting money on it, I'll call your bet.


Not a chance, Barry has that drunk uncle and that crazy aunt that need to stay in the country.
 
2013-08-21 11:15:49 AM

A legal system that doesn't distinguish between leaks to the press in the public interest and treason against the nation will not only produce unjust results, but will deprive the public of critical information that is necessary for democratic accountability. This is a sad day for Bradley Manning, but it's also a sad day for all Americans who depend on brave whistleblowers and a free press for a fully informed public debate.

-  Ben Wizner, director of the American Civil Liberties Union's Speech, Privacy & Technology Project

 
2013-08-21 11:15:49 AM

mbillips: elffster: freak7: make me some tea: Damn. I can't even crack a joke about that.

I can, screw the traitor.

So....telling folks about war crimes that US troops commit is bad...right, gotcha.

Moran.

What war crimes? None of what Manning released exposed anything illegal. It was just more detailed versions of the battle reports, and a farkton of diplomatic cables. The video of the journalists getting killed by the helo made it clear they thought they were engaging armed baddies.

Also, subby, he's not going to the hole. He's going to gen pop at Leavenworth, which is a hell of a lot safer and more livable than a civilian federal pen.


so because his prison accommodations aren't horrible, it's not that bad?
 
2013-08-21 11:16:41 AM

Carth: AirForceVet: Carth: This just in: if you break the law and get caught there is a good chance you'll go to jail!

It will be interesting to see if Obama pardons him on his last day in office.

First paragraph - Obvious

Second paragraph - Unlikely. Sounds like a Tea Party fantasy from Penthouse Forum.

I don't think is it very likely either but there has been a surprising amount of articles talking about it for the past month.


Just like Obama is simultaneously an empty suit and a tyrant, he's also a man who viciously pursues Snowden but is looking to pardon Manning.
 
2013-08-21 11:17:09 AM

Carth: This just in: if you break the law and get caught there is a good chance you'll go to jail!



Unless you're a politician. Or related to one. Or a cop. Or a hedge fund manager/ Wall Street type. Or anyone with money. Or any rank above "Private". But I digress....

As for Manning, 20 years would have been enough.
 
2013-08-21 11:17:18 AM
Incidents like this will end up increasing.  There are a few individuals in the world who will risk everything to follow a path they think is right.
People will not agree with it and that is fine.  But it will keep happening.
The government has lost the moral high ground by violating the spirit of the constitution and that is why.

Glad I was never in a position to be tempted to do something like this.
 
2013-08-21 11:17:22 AM

ManateeGag: considering "Death" could have been on the table, that's not that bad.   is there the possibility for early release?


I read somewhere this morning (pre-sentencing) that he would have to serve at least 1/3 his sentence before eligible for parole. Plus he gets about 3 years credited for time served, so he's looking at 9 years minimum.
 
2013-08-21 11:17:33 AM

LasersHurt: Cletus C.: If this was the guy who exposed the Bush bullshiat, free this hero.
If this was the guy who exposed the Obama bullshiat, you can rot, traitor.

If you're a guy who thinks false equivalencies like this are somehow clever, stop it. Stop. No.


Ah, "False Equivalency."  The last and desperate cry of someone confronted with their own hypocrisy.
 
2013-08-21 11:17:38 AM

Embden.Meyerhof: Eddie Adams from Torrance:

RIP Eli Manning

d23:

Eli Manning

Peyton Manning


You guys must be new here.


Seriously.  That is clearly a picture of noted victim of Nazi genocide, Helen Keller.
 
2013-08-21 11:17:48 AM

vygramul: zinny: This is a win for him.  There was a time when he'd be immediately marched out behind the courthouse and shot.

Courthouse?


/fark?
//i am not disappoint.
/// slashies!!!
 
2013-08-21 11:18:13 AM
You guys need to remember that he is in the military.  Before you join, they explain to you that you will fall under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.  Normal rules of US law do not always apply.  On top of that, any time you are given a security clearance, you have the consequences of releasing that information explained thoroughly.  He signed a contract acknowledging all of that, then released the documents.  He knew exactly what was going to happen.  Or at least he should have, if he is not a moron.  Trying to equate this with civilian whistleblowing is completely unreasonable.  Military clearances are given because a lot of the classified information, if released, can easily result in the deaths of US military personnel.  Is all classified stuff classified for that reason?  No, but a lot is, and indiscriminately releasing it is a bad thing.

TL;DR  He is in the military, and military justice comes down like a ton of bricks on releasing classified information.  And he knew that going in.
 
2013-08-21 11:18:51 AM

vygramul: Carth: AirForceVet: Carth: This just in: if you break the law and get caught there is a good chance you'll go to jail!

It will be interesting to see if Obama pardons him on his last day in office.

First paragraph - Obvious

Second paragraph - Unlikely. Sounds like a Tea Party fantasy from Penthouse Forum.

I don't think is it very likely either but there has been a surprising amount of articles talking about it for the past month.

Just like Obama is simultaneously an empty suit and a tyrant, he's also a man who viciously pursues Snowden but is looking to pardon Manning.


Yea, I don't see how he can pardon Manning and not Snowden. From what I've read Snowden at least reviewed what documents he released before doing it.
 
2013-08-21 11:19:08 AM

Felgraf: Lady J: so if you have evidence that your employer breaks the law, but you've signed a contract keeping everything you see at work secret, what are you supposed to do?

Among other things, release only the stuff pertinent to him breaking the law?

Again. He released a lot of shiat *that did not have to do with US wrongdoing*. Things that contained, *unredacted*, the names of, say, informants who were tipping off the US to terror plots.

shiat that you kind of want to keep secret to keep *folks, and their families from getting murdered*.


so is there going to be a similar trial of those repsonsible for the 'US wrongdoing'?
 
2013-08-21 11:19:40 AM
not enough
 
2013-08-21 11:20:29 AM

Felgraf: Lady J: so if you have evidence that your employer breaks the law, but you've signed a contract keeping everything you see at work secret, what are you supposed to do?

Among other things, release only the stuff pertinent to him breaking the law?

Again. He released a lot of shiat *that did not have to do with US wrongdoing*. Things that contained, *unredacted*, the names of, say, informants who were tipping off the US to terror plots.

shiat that you kind of want to keep secret to keep *folks, and their families from getting murdered*.


also. do you think if he had only released those documents pertinent to US wrongdoing he'd be a free man right now?

im genuinely asking.
 
2013-08-21 11:21:05 AM

Smeggy Smurf: vygramul: Smeggy Smurf: It's criminal that exposing crimes is a criminal offense.

Wrong thread. This one's about Bradley Manning.

Are you telling me that in none of those documents was a crime exposed?


That's like saying that one of the Japanese-Americans FDR imprisoned was actually a criminal and complaining that, "incarcerating a criminal is a criminal offense."
 
2013-08-21 11:21:07 AM
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Tampering with government documents is a felony offense.
 
2013-08-21 11:21:15 AM
Well, there's always petitioning for Presidential Pardon.

... who am I kidding. That'll never happen.
 
2013-08-21 11:21:31 AM
If only he had gone though the proper internal channels like Gina Gray, he wouldn't be going to prison.
 
2013-08-21 11:21:39 AM

Embden.Meyerhof: Eddie Adams from Torrance:

RIP Eli Manning

d23:

Eli Manning

Peyton Manning


You guys must be new here.


Much like AA, the newcommer on Fark is the most important person in the thread.
 
2013-08-21 11:22:03 AM
Is it any wonder Snowden stayed in Russia?
 
2013-08-21 11:22:29 AM

m1ke: I like the idea that exposing the government's illegal activities is now considered treason.  U. S. A.! U. S. A.!


Do any of you Manning defenders actually have any examples of "illegal activities" that Manning exposed? I've yet to see one.
 
2013-08-21 11:22:32 AM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Carth


It will be interesting to see if Obama pardons him on his last day in office.

This will not happen because of the spring board it could give the GOP on how if you aren't Republican you are a terrorist, traitor or sympathizer.


No, it wont happen because Obama would very much like for whiatleblowers to go to prison and suffer for daring to expose the state's actions.
 
2013-08-21 11:22:33 AM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: [www.uu.edu image 275x391]
RIP Eli Manning


Geez, Patriots fans sure do hold a grudge, don't they?  It was just a game people! Get over i- ...
wut?  It's not the same gu- ...

my bad.
 
2013-08-21 11:22:45 AM

vygramul: Charletron: He's not a hero, nor is he a traitor. He's a dumb kid.

I'd be willing to give him some latitude if he had been selective in his releases, even as misguided as they were. But 250k documents? At some point, it really is possible to be criminally stupid.


You gotta admit the document about the "dancing boys" paid for by DynCorp to "entertain" Afgani leaders was pure gold.
 
2013-08-21 11:23:04 AM

freak7: make me some tea: Damn. I can't even crack a joke about that.

I can, screw the traitor.


It's always good to see a citizen showing the proper levels of due deference, unquestioning loyalty, and the prescribed levels of bitterness. Well done, sir, you rank highly on our lists. And believe me, we observe a great many citizens when checking our lists for compliance.
 
2013-08-21 11:23:17 AM
See what happens when you post stuff online?

IT'S TIME TO STOP POSTING
 
2013-08-21 11:24:20 AM
They tortured him into a confession and an apology. This 'conviction' doesn't mean jack sh*t in terms of justice.

1. Political 'crimes' must be heard by a civilian court, not court martial
2. Jurors must always review and approve plea bargains for fairness, and have the ability to force a trial
3. Jurors must have the power to subpoena, fine, and imprison government officials for misconduct, including torture
 
2013-08-21 11:24:25 AM

Cataholic: LasersHurt: Cletus C.: If this was the guy who exposed the Bush bullshiat, free this hero.
If this was the guy who exposed the Obama bullshiat, you can rot, traitor.

If you're a guy who thinks false equivalencies like this are somehow clever, stop it. Stop. No.

Ah, "False Equivalency."  The last and desperate cry of someone confronted with their own hypocrisy.


Ah, "hypocrisy," the last and desperate cry of someone who got called out on a ridiculously oversimplified and pointless comparison.
 
2013-08-21 11:24:31 AM

r1niceboy: freak7: make me some tea: Damn. I can't even crack a joke about that.

I can, screw the traitor.

It's always good to see a citizen showing the proper levels of due deference, unquestioning loyalty, and the prescribed levels of bitterness. Well done, sir, you rank highly on our lists. And believe me, we observe a great many citizens when checking our lists for compliance.


In his defense, Manning is quite literally a traitor.  Military personnel who release classified data and put people at risk are, by definition, traitors or spies, take your pick.
 
2013-08-21 11:24:43 AM
The sentence is totally appropriate, but I still feel sorry for the stupid, naive kid. He signed up. He was aware of the rules. Why the fark didn't he just release the farking helicopter video?
I hope he gets out early, anyway.
 
2013-08-21 11:25:00 AM

Carth: Yea, I don't see how he can pardon Manning and not Snowden. From what I've read Snowden at least reviewed what documents he released before doing it.


If the rumor that Snowden took the job in order to expose the NSA is true, there's less reason to like Snowden, because he either didn't understand the documents or it is an exercise in confirmation bias or he just plain didn't care.
 
2013-08-21 11:25:20 AM

Lady J: Felgraf: Lady J: so if you have evidence that your employer breaks the law, but you've signed a contract keeping everything you see at work secret, what are you supposed to do?

Among other things, release only the stuff pertinent to him breaking the law?

Again. He released a lot of shiat *that did not have to do with US wrongdoing*. Things that contained, *unredacted*, the names of, say, informants who were tipping off the US to terror plots.

shiat that you kind of want to keep secret to keep *folks, and their families from getting murdered*.

so is there going to be a similar trial of those repsonsible for the 'US wrongdoing'?


Sure, other countries can hold whatever trial they want and put "the US" on trial for its wrongdoings.

Sovereignty how does it work?
 
2013-08-21 11:25:24 AM
Not bad. They went from death to 60 years to 35 years...Not bad at all.
 
2013-08-21 11:25:26 AM

ManateeGag: considering "Death" could have been on the table, that's not that bad.   is there the possibility for early release?


25 years I'd rather be killed
 
2013-08-21 11:25:43 AM

WhoopAssWayne: They tortured him into a confession and an apology. This 'conviction' doesn't mean jack sh*t in terms of justice.

1. Political 'crimes' must be heard by a civilian court, not court martial
2. Jurors must always review and approve plea bargains for fairness, and have the ability to force a trial
3. Jurors must have the power to subpoena, fine, and imprison government officials for misconduct, including torture


Please explain how this is 'political'?  He violated regulation by releasing classified documents.  That's a one-way ticket to Court Martial.
 
2013-08-21 11:25:58 AM
Wait, Obama is actually going to pardon this POS?!

Wow.
 
2013-08-21 11:26:08 AM
Prison sucks.
Military prison sucks even more.
He's got that transgender thing going for him so he's probably going to be popular with the other prisoners.
 
2013-08-21 11:26:54 AM
vygramul:
Had he simply released stuff that concerned him, I could have written it off as misguided at worst. Dumping 250k documents without knowing the contents thereof is not exposing shady shiat. It's showing depraved indifference.

So how do you feel about the Defense Department classifying all of those documents and exempting them from the FOIA without regards to their contents?
 
2013-08-21 11:27:43 AM
Good. Don't share secrets.

Governments have been doing shady things for centuries. Hence why there are intelligence agencies. You expect them to stop? It's never going to happen.

As for Bradley Manning, he'll enjoy the soap getting dropped on the floor.
 
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