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2013-08-21 11:06:46 AM  
bdub77: I can't help but feel a little sad about the whole thing. Our government is doing a lot of shady sh*t and these guys are exposing them for it, and this is what they get for it.

There isn't even a way to expose the government now for all this secret sh*t without being labeled a terrorist or traitor.

Had he simply released stuff that concerned him, I could have written it off as misguided at worst. Dumping 250k documents without knowing the contents thereof is not exposing shady shiat. It's showing depraved indifference.


Agreed.  When you're releasing 250k documents, you really have no way of knowing what's in every one of those.  You're not whistle blowing, you're throwing shiat out and seeing what sticks.
 
2013-08-21 11:06:47 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: nekom: vygramul:
Had he simply released stuff that concerned him, I could have written it off as misguided at worst. Dumping 250k documents without knowing the contents thereof is not exposing shady shiat. It's showing depraved indifference.

Yeah, as much as I love a good whistle blower, who knows it's conceivable that people's lives could have been put in danger.  At BEST it's reckless and irresponsible.

I agree.  Plus, this sentence shows some leniency.  He'll have some time as a free man to look forward to after he gets out.


50 and a felon doesn't have a lot of prospects. Society, I think, overreacts to this to some degree. You have to give felons a way to reintegrate or they are just left with monster incentives to prey upon others.
 
2013-08-21 11:06:57 AM  
a sad day for justice indeed
 
2013-08-21 11:07:06 AM  

elffster: freak7: make me some tea: Damn. I can't even crack a joke about that.

I can, screw the traitor.

So....telling folks about war crimes that US troops commit is bad...right, gotcha.

Moran.


Releasing secret documents irrespective of whether they show US wrongdoing or not is bad.  That's what Bradley Manning did.  Had he limited it to just those documents that show the US doing something wrong, I'd be right there with you.  But that's not what he did.

Moran.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-21 11:07:08 AM  

d23: Eddie Adams from Torrance: [www.uu.edu image 275x391]
RIP Eli Manning

oh wow.  total, total failure.


Eli Manning
a.espncdn.com

Peyton Manning
a.espncdn.com
 
2013-08-21 11:07:11 AM  

LasersHurt: Cletus C.: LasersHurt: Cletus C.: If this was the guy who exposed the Bush bullshiat, free this hero.
If this was the guy who exposed the Obama bullshiat, you can rot, traitor.

If you're a guy who thinks false equivalencies like this are somehow clever, stop it. Stop. No.

So, hero?

I am pretty hungry, so sure, but around here we call them subs.


It's pronounced 'gyro'.
 
2013-08-21 11:07:31 AM  
so if you have evidence that your employer breaks the law, but you've signed a contract keeping everything you see at work secret, what are you supposed to do?
 
2013-08-21 11:07:32 AM  

Carth: This just in: if you break the law and get caught there is a good chance you'll go to jail!

It will be interesting to see if Obama pardons him on his last day in office.


First paragraph - Obvious

Second paragraph - Unlikely. Sounds like a Tea Party fantasy from Penthouse Forum.
 
2013-08-21 11:07:37 AM  
It's criminal that exposing crimes is a criminal offense.
 
2013-08-21 11:07:40 AM  

JohnAnnArbor: It's longer than the American Taliban.  He got 20.


What bothers me is he got 35 years longer than the people whose crimes he exposed.
 
2013-08-21 11:07:48 AM  
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2013-08-21 11:08:08 AM  

Carth: This just in: if you break the law and get caught there is a good chance you'll go to jail!


It will be interesting to see if Obama pardons him on his last day in office.


If you're putting money on it, I'll call your bet.
 
2013-08-21 11:08:09 AM  

Cletus C.: LasersHurt: Cletus C.: If this was the guy who exposed the Bush bullshiat, free this hero.
If this was the guy who exposed the Obama bullshiat, you can rot, traitor.

If you're a guy who thinks false equivalencies like this are somehow clever, stop it. Stop. No.

So, hero?


Both Dems and Repugs have crazies that do bad things.

The difference is, Democrats throw their crazies under the bus, the GOP let's their crazies drive the bus.
 
2013-08-21 11:08:43 AM  

ModernPrimitive01: a sad day for justice indeed


Nah - 35 years was enough. No need for 60.
 
2013-08-21 11:08:44 AM  
This is a win for him.  There was a time when he'd be immediately marched out behind the courthouse and shot.
 
2013-08-21 11:08:52 AM  
He's not a hero, nor is he a traitor. He's a dumb kid. The irresponsible thing was giving him a security clearance in the first place, and I really hope he gets early release. A very heavy and very public sentence makes sense as a deterrent, but he should be allowed to leave after 10 years on condition of good behavior and he agrees to no book, no movie, etc.
 
2013-08-21 11:09:01 AM  
Should have gotten more. I can't believe you put fellow service members lives at risk and potentially give valuable information to the enemy and you only get 35 years? Fark that.
 
2013-08-21 11:09:02 AM  

Lady J: so if you have evidence that your employer breaks the law, but you've signed a contract keeping everything you see at work secret, what are you supposed to do?


I would hope I had the courage to come forward, especially if my employers was killing people on a global scale
 
2013-08-21 11:09:20 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: It's criminal that exposing crimes is a criminal offense.


Wrong thread. This one's about Bradley Manning.
 
2013-08-21 11:09:34 AM  
He will be eligible for parole apparently.  If I'm reading it correctly he would qualify in approximately 10 years.  I would not be surprised to see him make his first parole.
 
2013-08-21 11:09:42 AM  
dittybopper

Releasing secret documents irrespective of whether they show US wrongdoing or not is bad.

The Pentagon Papers.
 
2013-08-21 11:09:46 AM  
www.bunkermuseum.de

"Thirty-Five years??  That's harsh"
 
2013-08-21 11:09:46 AM  

elffster: freak7: make me some tea: Damn. I can't even crack a joke about that.

I can, screw the traitor.

So....telling folks about war crimes that US troops commit is bad...right, gotcha.

Moran.


What "war crimes" did he expose?

Do tell.

I watched RT news show the same tired clip over and over again.  War is hell and sometimes innocent people die.  It doesn't make it a war crime.
 
2013-08-21 11:09:55 AM  

freak7: elffster: freak7: make me some tea: Damn. I can't even crack a joke about that.

I can, screw the traitor.

So....telling folks about war crimes that US troops commit is bad...right, gotcha.

Moran.

War crimes? Don't blame the troops for a couple stupid journalists who thought it would be cool to walk around a combat zone with dudes carrying rifles and rpg's. As for the children in the van, blame the dummy who brought his kids along to evacuate shot up terrorists.


The previous administration admitted to war crimes publicly.

Now you might think that they are little war crimes and that they don't matter and it was worth it and so on. That's a perfectly acceptable point of view. But at least have the strength of character to own that point of view rather than pretending that there weren't any. It just makes you look weak.
 
2013-08-21 11:09:56 AM  

zinny: This is a win for him.  There was a time when he'd be immediately marched out behind the courthouse and shot.


Courthouse?
 
2013-08-21 11:10:04 AM  
Pour encourager les autres
 
2013-08-21 11:10:15 AM  
Carth


It will be interesting to see if Obama pardons him on his last day in office.

This will not happen because of the spring board it could give the GOP on how if you aren't Republican you are a terrorist, traitor or sympathizer.
 
2013-08-21 11:10:15 AM  
I don't know a ton about this case but what I do is messed up. I agree that the dude broke the law and jail time seems fair. But at the same time what kind of crappy computer system does the US Army have where it allows someone to bring a writable CD to their computer which is used for military intelligence and start burning stuff onto it without any kind of checking or alarm going off?
 
2013-08-21 11:10:27 AM  

freak7: elffster: freak7: make me some tea: Damn. I can't even crack a joke about that.

I can, screw the traitor.

So....telling folks about war crimes that US troops commit is bad...right, gotcha.

Moran.

War crimes? Don't blame the troops for a couple stupid journalists who thought it would be cool to walk around a combat zone with dudes carrying rifles and rpg's. As for the children in the van, blame the dummy who brought his kids along to evacuate shot up terrorists.


Blaming the victims will always earn you lots of internets.
 
2013-08-21 11:10:40 AM  
Pro Tip: When leaking evidence of a war crime, stop at the war crime, no matter what an attention whore from another country tells you to do.
 
2013-08-21 11:10:52 AM  
Eddie Adams from Torrance:

RIP Eli Manning

d23:

Eli Manning

Peyton Manning



You guys must be new here.
 
2013-08-21 11:10:59 AM  

RockSteadyUSMC: Should have gotten more. I can't believe you put fellow service members lives at risk and potentially give valuable information to the enemy and you only get 35 years? Fark that.


can you or anyone else in this thread give me one shred of credible information that anyone came to harm as a result of the leak?

/making America look like a murderous bully doesn't count
 
2013-08-21 11:11:08 AM  

Carth: This just in: if you break the law and get caught there is a good chance you'll go to jail!


si.wsj.net
"Oh, aren't you cute!"
 
2013-08-21 11:11:12 AM  
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Meanwhile, these three bastards will prolly get out in less than 12.
 
2013-08-21 11:11:14 AM  
Well, THAT seems a tad excessive!
 
2013-08-21 11:11:34 AM  

Charletron: He's not a hero, nor is he a traitor. He's a dumb kid.


I'd be willing to give him some latitude if he had been selective in his releases, even as misguided as they were. But 250k documents? At some point, it really is possible to be criminally stupid.
 
2013-08-21 11:11:37 AM  
"The US government should turn its attention to investigating and delivering justice for the serious human rights abuses committed by its officials in the name of countering terror."


faqsmedia.ign.com
 
2013-08-21 11:11:43 AM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: [www.uu.edu image 275x391]
RIP Eli Manning


Well, if he doesn't get the Giants into the Superbowl this year which is being played at their own stadium, you better believe it's RIP Eli Manning!
 
2013-08-21 11:12:03 AM  

AirForceVet: Carth: This just in: if you break the law and get caught there is a good chance you'll go to jail!

It will be interesting to see if Obama pardons him on his last day in office.

First paragraph - Obvious

Second paragraph - Unlikely. Sounds like a Tea Party fantasy from Penthouse Forum.


I don't think is it very likely either but there has been a surprising amount of articles talking about it for the past month.
 
2013-08-21 11:12:08 AM  

bdub77: I can't help but feel a little sad about the whole thing. Our government is doing a lot of shady sh*t and these guys are exposing them for it, and this is what they get for it.





i.imgur.com

R.I.P. VAN HALEN


 
2013-08-21 11:12:13 AM  

Lady J: so if you have evidence that your employer breaks the law, but you've signed a contract keeping everything you see at work secret, what are you supposed to do?


Blackmail your employer?
 
2013-08-21 11:12:29 AM  

d23: Gee.. what are the odds that the people that throw around the term "statism" are the same people already crying "not enough" about the Bradly Manning sentence?


Some people just don't like treasonous activity.
 
2013-08-21 11:12:40 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: [www.bunkermuseum.de image 184x331]

"Thirty-Five years??  That's harsh"


And a lot of those guys were released early by the West German government.
 
2013-08-21 11:12:55 AM  

elffster: freak7: make me some tea: Damn. I can't even crack a joke about that.

I can, screw the traitor.

So....telling folks about war crimes that US troops commit is bad...right, gotcha.

Moran.


What war crimes? None of what Manning released exposed anything illegal. It was just more detailed versions of the battle reports, and a farkton of diplomatic cables. The video of the journalists getting killed by the helo made it clear they thought they were engaging armed baddies.

Also, subby, he's not going to the hole. He's going to gen pop at Leavenworth, which is a hell of a lot safer and more livable than a civilian federal pen.
 
2013-08-21 11:12:56 AM  

make me some tea: Damn. I can't even crack a joke about that.


I can.

"Wait, I thought the guy LIKED it in the hole?"
 
2013-08-21 11:12:57 AM  
I like the idea that exposing the government's illegal activities is now considered treason.  U. S. A.! U. S. A.!
 
2013-08-21 11:13:13 AM  

Private_Citizen: Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.


In order to avoid breaking any law at all, ever, it's best that you kill yourself before age 12, and you had better be successful at that.
 
2013-08-21 11:13:15 AM  

vygramul: Smeggy Smurf: It's criminal that exposing crimes is a criminal offense.

Wrong thread. This one's about Bradley Manning.


Are you telling me that in none of those documents was a crime exposed?
 
2013-08-21 11:13:20 AM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Carth


It will be interesting to see if Obama pardons him on his last day in office.

This will not happen because of the spring board it could give the GOP on how if you aren't Republican you are a terrorist, traitor or sympathizer.


Not to mention that it's the wrong thing to do.
 
2013-08-21 11:13:27 AM  

ModernPrimitive01: RockSteadyUSMC: Should have gotten more. I can't believe you put fellow service members lives at risk and potentially give valuable information to the enemy and you only get 35 years? Fark that.

can you or anyone else in this thread give me one shred of credible information that anyone came to harm as a result of the leak?

/making America look like a murderous bully doesn't count


Many would consider a 35-year prison sentence harm.
 
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