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2013-08-21 10:30:29 AM
Damn. I can't even crack a joke about that.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-21 10:31:58 AM
Gee.. what are the odds that the people that throw around the term "statism" are the same people already crying "not enough" about the Bradly Manning sentence?
 
2013-08-21 10:36:15 AM
That's actually something of a win for him. His attorneys were hoping for 25 yrs while the prosecution asked for 60.
 
2013-08-21 10:36:59 AM
considering "Death" could have been on the table, that's not that bad.   is there the possibility for early release?
 
2013-08-21 10:41:25 AM
I can't help but feel a little sad about the whole thing. Our government is doing a lot of shady sh*t and these guys are exposing them for it, and this is what they get for it.

There isn't even a way to expose the government now for all this secret sh*t without being labeled a terrorist or traitor.
 
2013-08-21 10:46:03 AM

d23: Gee.. what are the odds that the people that throw around the term "statism" are the same people already crying "not enough" about the Bradly Manning sentence?


I would have been happy with 20-25. But I can't feel too bad about 35 either.

bdub77: I can't help but feel a little sad about the whole thing. Our government is doing a lot of shady sh*t and these guys are exposing them for it, and this is what they get for it.

There isn't even a way to expose the government now for all this secret sh*t without being labeled a terrorist or traitor.


Had he simply released stuff that concerned him, I could have written it off as misguided at worst. Dumping 250k documents without knowing the contents thereof is not exposing shady shiat. It's showing depraved indifference.
 
2013-08-21 10:48:13 AM

vygramul: Had he simply released stuff that concerned him, I could have written it off as misguided at worst. Dumping 250k documents without knowing the contents thereof is not exposing shady shiat. It's showing depraved indifference.


THIS!
 
2013-08-21 10:49:14 AM
vygramul:
Had he simply released stuff that concerned him, I could have written it off as misguided at worst. Dumping 250k documents without knowing the contents thereof is not exposing shady shiat. It's showing depraved indifference.

Yeah, as much as I love a good whistle blower, who knows it's conceivable that people's lives could have been put in danger.  At BEST it's reckless and irresponsible.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-21 10:52:02 AM

skinnycatullus: That's actually something of a win for him. His attorneys were hoping for 25 yrs while the prosecution asked for 60.


It seems a bit much.  His defense actually had a point when they pointed out that he shouldn't have had a security clearance because the Army knew he had mental problems.
 
2013-08-21 10:52:07 AM

vygramul: d23: Gee.. what are the odds that the people that throw around the term "statism" are the same people already crying "not enough" about the Bradly Manning sentence?

I would have been happy with 20-25. But I can't feel too bad about 35 either.

bdub77: I can't help but feel a little sad about the whole thing. Our government is doing a lot of shady sh*t and these guys are exposing them for it, and this is what they get for it.

There isn't even a way to expose the government now for all this secret sh*t without being labeled a terrorist or traitor.

Had he simply released stuff that concerned him, I could have written it off as misguided at worst. Dumping 250k documents without knowing the contents thereof is not exposing shady shiat. It's showing depraved indifference.


This happens to me my view on it too. I'm not saying I think what he did was wrong, but I'm pretty disheartened by the way in which our government is acting.
 
2013-08-21 10:54:37 AM
Facebook is interesting today about this.

There are conspiracy theories claiming that he would get life no matter what (because the administration would intervene) and will be tortured the whole time
 
2013-08-21 10:55:40 AM

bdub77: This happens to me my view on it too. I'm not saying I think what he did was wrong, but I'm pretty disheartened by the way in which our government is acting.


That's where I'm at with the whole thing as well.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-21 10:56:48 AM

cman: Facebook is interesting today about this.

There are conspiracy theories claiming that he would get life no matter what (because the administration would intervene) and will be tortured the whole time


It would be a much better world if I could believe this was totally impossible.  Instead it gets relegated to "unlikely."
 
2013-08-21 10:57:01 AM

vpb: skinnycatullus: That's actually something of a win for him. His attorneys were hoping for 25 yrs while the prosecution asked for 60.

It seems a bit much.  His defense actually had a point when they pointed out that he shouldn't have had a security clearance because the Army knew he had mental problems.


What mental issues?

I haven't kept up on the case that much but the only mental issues I have heard was someone claiming his transgenderism was a mental illness.
 
2013-08-21 10:57:02 AM

nekom: vygramul:
Had he simply released stuff that concerned him, I could have written it off as misguided at worst. Dumping 250k documents without knowing the contents thereof is not exposing shady shiat. It's showing depraved indifference.

Yeah, as much as I love a good whistle blower, who knows it's conceivable that people's lives could have been put in danger.  At BEST it's reckless and irresponsible.


I agree.  Plus, this sentence shows some leniency.  He'll have some time as a free man to look forward to after he gets out.
 
2013-08-21 10:58:52 AM

make me some tea: Damn. I can't even crack a joke about that.


I can, screw the traitor.
 
2013-08-21 10:59:35 AM

freak7: make me some tea: Damn. I can't even crack a joke about that.

I can, screw the traitor.


A traitor? No

An attention whore? Yes
 
2013-08-21 10:59:45 AM
the lesson here, folks, is to let the assholes in power do what they want and never question it....

..everyone who questioned Shrub's lack of evidence/judgement/sobriety were not being patriotic at *all*.
 
2013-08-21 11:00:02 AM

TuteTibiImperes: He'll have some time as a free man to look forward to after he gets out.


Book deals, movie deals. endorsements for toilet paper.
 
2013-08-21 11:00:41 AM

freak7: make me some tea: Damn. I can't even crack a joke about that.

I can, screw the traitor.


So....telling folks about war crimes that US troops commit is bad...right, gotcha.

Moran.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-21 11:00:44 AM

cman: What mental issues?

I haven't kept up on the case that much but the only mental issues I have heard was someone claiming his transgenderism was a mental illness.


http://www.newschannel5.com/story/23116665/manning-defense-keys-on-m en tal-health-leadership
 
2013-08-21 11:00:52 AM
*sigh* Was it worth it?  I mean if he knew he was gonna get caught, instead of only proving once and for all that Dubya needs to go to The Hague, he should've told us who killed JFK as well.
 
2013-08-21 11:01:17 AM
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However you feel about this, he's truly f•cked.
 
2013-08-21 11:01:20 AM
35 years for a man who caused fewer deaths than George Zimmerman.
 
2013-08-21 11:01:33 AM
The big house, the slammer, the clink, the hoosegow...
 
2013-08-21 11:01:34 AM
Another murderer football player?

/DRTFA
 
2013-08-21 11:01:55 AM
It's longer than the American Taliban.  He got 20.
 
2013-08-21 11:02:27 AM

IlGreven: 35 years for a man who caused fewer deaths than George Zimmerman.


The difference being there is proof Manning broke the law. There is no proof Zimmerman did.
 
2013-08-21 11:02:32 AM

elffster: So....telling folks about war crimes that US troops commit is bad...right, gotcha.


The issue is sliiiiightly more complicated than your bumper sticker version allows for.
 
2013-08-21 11:02:46 AM
I submitted this with a better headline.  So sad.
 
2013-08-21 11:02:49 AM
www.uu.edu
RIP Eli Manning
 
2013-08-21 11:03:10 AM
This just in: if you break the law and get caught there is a good chance you'll go to jail!


It will be interesting to see if Obama pardons him on his last day in office.
 
2013-08-21 11:03:26 AM
If this was the guy who exposed the Bush bullshiat, free this hero.
If this was the guy who exposed the Obama bullshiat, you can rot, traitor.
 
2013-08-21 11:04:06 AM

Cletus C.: If this was the guy who exposed the Bush bullshiat, free this hero.
If this was the guy who exposed the Obama bullshiat, you can rot, traitor.


If you're a guy who thinks false equivalencies like this are somehow clever, stop it. Stop. No.
 
2013-08-21 11:04:13 AM
I look forward to a rational discussion thread devoid of Schadenfreude and sociopathy.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-21 11:04:45 AM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: [www.uu.edu image 275x391]
RIP Eli Manning


oh wow.  total, total failure.
 
2013-08-21 11:05:01 AM

LasersHurt: Cletus C.: If this was the guy who exposed the Bush bullshiat, free this hero.
If this was the guy who exposed the Obama bullshiat, you can rot, traitor.

If you're a guy who thinks false equivalencies like this are somehow clever, stop it. Stop. No.


So, hero?
 
2013-08-21 11:05:04 AM
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
 
2013-08-21 11:05:29 AM

bdub77: vygramul: d23: Gee.. what are the odds that the people that throw around the term "statism" are the same people already crying "not enough" about the Bradly Manning sentence?

I would have been happy with 20-25. But I can't feel too bad about 35 either.

bdub77: I can't help but feel a little sad about the whole thing. Our government is doing a lot of shady sh*t and these guys are exposing them for it, and this is what they get for it.

There isn't even a way to expose the government now for all this secret sh*t without being labeled a terrorist or traitor.

Had he simply released stuff that concerned him, I could have written it off as misguided at worst. Dumping 250k documents without knowing the contents thereof is not exposing shady shiat. It's showing depraved indifference.

This happens to me my view on it too. I'm not saying I think what he did was wrong, but I'm pretty disheartened by the way in which our government is acting.


The military really doesn't have an institutional sense of humor. They kinda take this stuff seriously.
 
2013-08-21 11:05:38 AM

bdub77: I can't help but feel a little sad about the whole thing. Our government is doing a lot of shady sh*t and these guys are exposing them for it, and this is what they get for it.

There isn't even a way to expose the government now for all this secret sh*t without being labeled a terrorist or traitor.


Let me take on your comments by paragraph.

1) What poopy stuff? We're at war in Afghanistan presently and with extreme Muslim cultists worldwide. We were at war with Iraq but not anymore. Can you be more specific? Or are you complaining about the local DMV branch office?

2) Utter BS. The kid passed along classified data without screening it throughly for, oopies, information valuable for our enemies, allies and all those inbetween. Methods exist for whisleblowing and/or calling out serious problems within the system. The young idiot didn't try them first.

/I'm cool with 35 years in prison.
//He could have gotten worse and may have deserved more time.
 
2013-08-21 11:05:42 AM

Cletus C.: LasersHurt: Cletus C.: If this was the guy who exposed the Bush bullshiat, free this hero.
If this was the guy who exposed the Obama bullshiat, you can rot, traitor.

If you're a guy who thinks false equivalencies like this are somehow clever, stop it. Stop. No.

So, hero?


I am pretty hungry, so sure, but around here we call them subs.
 
2013-08-21 11:05:49 AM

elffster: freak7: make me some tea: Damn. I can't even crack a joke about that.

I can, screw the traitor.

So....telling folks about war crimes that US troops commit is bad...right, gotcha.

Moran.


War crimes? Don't blame the troops for a couple stupid journalists who thought it would be cool to walk around a combat zone with dudes carrying rifles and rpg's. As for the children in the van, blame the dummy who brought his kids along to evacuate shot up terrorists.
 
2013-08-21 11:05:57 AM

Moral of the story: don't leak things the boss hasn't asked you to leak.

Attention whoring with government data has a steep price if you're poorly connected.

 
2013-08-21 11:06:03 AM

ManateeGag: considering "Death" could have been on the table, that's not that bad.   is there the possibility for early release?


Yep, halfway through
 
2013-08-21 11:06:05 AM

Cletus C.: If this was the guy who exposed the Bush bullshiat, free this hero.
If this was the guy who exposed the Obama bullshiat, you can rot, traitor.


What about reality where he exposed sensitive information from both of their presidencies? A hero who can rot?
 
2013-08-21 11:06:06 AM

d23: Eddie Adams from Torrance: [www.uu.edu image 275x391]
RIP Eli Manning

oh wow.  total, total failure.


LOL that made me laugh!
 
2013-08-21 11:06:14 AM
Anyone got the popcorn going yet? I predict this thread will require a gigantic bag of it...
 
2013-08-21 11:06:24 AM
Obama doesn't pardon people.
 
2013-08-21 11:06:25 AM

Carth: IlGreven: 35 years for a man who caused fewer deaths than George Zimmerman.

The difference being there is proof Manning broke the law. There is no proof Zimmerman did.


I OBJECT!

*plays the race card*
 
2013-08-21 11:06:46 AM
i.usatoday.net

I like where this thread is going.
 
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