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2013-08-21 11:59:40 AM  
And on the first day, He rested.
 
2013-08-21 12:19:14 PM  
I believe Mr. Hasan wishes to become a martyr.

I believe the US Army will provide him with that opportunity.
 
2013-08-21 12:20:55 PM  
Workplace violence has consequences.
 
2013-08-21 12:21:18 PM  
"I tell you I gotta plead ignorance on this thing..."
 
2013-08-21 12:22:30 PM  
On a tangential note: I hate when people refer to Maj. Hasan as a terrorist.  He absolutely was not a terrorist.  His target was a legitimate, military target and his actions were acts of war.

He was a traitor, though, and should be executed for treason.
 
2013-08-21 12:23:09 PM  
www.moonbattery.com
 
2013-08-21 12:23:12 PM  

Gonz: I believe Mr. Hasan wishes to become a martyr.

I believe the US Army will provide him with that opportunity.


All of that is irrelevant to him.  All he wants is to get to the sentencing part of the trial so he can stand up on his soapbox and explain why his religion demanded that he kill those people.
 
2013-08-21 12:23:34 PM  

Gonz: I believe Mr. Hasan wishes to become a martyr.

I believe the US Army will provide him with that opportunity.


No, they know an ironic punishment is more fitting. He shall be a well cared for quadriplegic in a blank room with no TV for years and years. Never give a prisoner what they want.
 
2013-08-21 12:24:17 PM  

Gonz: I believe Mr. Hasan wishes to become a martyr.

I believe the US Army will provide him with that opportunity.


I wouldn't be at all surprised if one juror votes not guilty on a single charge just to deprive him of that chance.  Rot in prison, no virgins for you.
 
2013-08-21 12:24:19 PM  

meanmutton: On a tangential note: I hate when people refer to Maj. Hasan as a terrorist.  He absolutely was not a terrorist.  His target was a legitimate, military target and his actions were acts of war.

He was a traitor, though, and should be executed for treason.



So your saying that the Unites States Army was at war with the United States Army?
(and people think this Hasan guy is nuts!)
 
2013-08-21 12:24:21 PM  

meanmutton: On a tangential note: I hate when people refer to Maj. Hasan as a terrorist.  He absolutely was not a terrorist.  His target was a legitimate, military target and his actions were acts of war.

He was a traitor, though, and should be executed for treason.


Actually killing medics is a war crime
 
2013-08-21 12:25:18 PM  

Gonz: I believe Mr. Hasan wishes to become a martyr.
I believe the US Army will provide him with that opportunity.


That's what he wants.  A far greater punishment would be to deny him martyrdom and just lock him away for life.
 
2013-08-21 12:25:56 PM  

Cletus C.: Workplace violence Islamic terrorism has consequences.


FTFY
 
2013-08-21 12:27:15 PM  
I am anti-idiot, therefore I am most definitely anti-this guy.
 
2013-08-21 12:27:49 PM  

johnny_vegas: [www.moonbattery.com image 300x225]


This.
 
2013-08-21 12:27:52 PM  
FTA:  Hasan originally planned to call Rambo as his only defense witness but opted against it earlier in the day

Fark I am disapoint
 
2013-08-21 12:27:58 PM  

meanmutton: On a tangential note: I hate when people refer to Maj. Hasan as a terrorist.  He absolutely was not a terrorist.  His target was a legitimate, military target and his actions were acts of war.

He was a traitor, though, and should be executed for treason.


That's open to debate.  What was his core motivation for attacking them from within?  It wasn't done for any apparently military reason as he's not part of any enemy army. It wasn't done as part of a subversive effort on the behalf of some other nation to demoralize or confuse the military.

'War' exists between nations, no matter what the loonies will tell you about the 'war on terror/drugs/poverty/wtf-ever.'  War exists between nations and military forces where violence has reason and purpose.

All I can see is that he simply wished to kill people that angered him and did so as a means of terrifying those that he saw as enemies because his religious demanded it.

A terrorist, as far as I'm concerned.
 
2013-08-21 12:28:36 PM  

UtileDysfunktion: Gonz: I believe Mr. Hasan wishes to become a martyr.
I believe the US Army will provide him with that opportunity.

That's what he wants.  A far greater punishment would be to deny him martyrdom and just lock him away for life.


In a room full of bacon and uncovered women.  Wait a sec...
 
2013-08-21 12:30:46 PM  

Gonz: I believe Mr. Hasan wishes to become a martyr.

I believe the US Army will provide him with that opportunity.


he's already a martyr in his own mind, and he believes that the people whom he wants to be seen as a martyr to already see him as one. he's guilty of shooting, killing, and wounding fellow army personnel. he has not denied at all that he was the shooter. his opening statement declared evidence would show he is the shooter.

what gets me about this entire thing is the apparent incompetence of the military justice system.

1st, the whole beard thing...he is still and always has been an officer in the us military, and regulations say quite clearly NO BEARD. therefore he should never have been allowed to wear a beard at any point for any reason. there ARE things the ucmj allows for pertaining to religion, and (going by memory, not bothering to research) facial hair is not one of those things.

2nd, i understand the wheels of justice turn slowly, but there is no reason it should've taken 4 years to get to this point.

3rd, from what i heard he never received any demotion in rank, never received any reduction in pay, etc. i had coworkers who received both over marijuana. why didn't this guy get knocked down a rank or 2 for MURDER!?!
 
2013-08-21 12:31:19 PM  
Brought to you by: The Religion of Peace.
 
2013-08-21 12:32:08 PM  

Doubleodoug: FTA:  Hasan originally planned to call Rambo as his only defense witness but opted against it earlier in the day

Fark I am disapoint


"I didn't start this!  You started this!  First Blood!!!111!!"

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-08-21 12:33:17 PM  
He should be sentenced to serve bacon.
Nothing but bacon.
You kill people you don't get to have a religion.
 
2013-08-21 12:33:28 PM  

bungle_jr: Gonz: I believe Mr. Hasan wishes to become a martyr.

I believe the US Army will provide him with that opportunity.

he's already a martyr hero of islam in his own mind, and he believes that the people whom he wants to be seen as a martyr to already see him as a hero of islam, and will see him as a martyr no matter his ultimate fate. he's guilty of shooting, killing, and wounding fellow army personnel. he has not denied at all that he was the shooter. his opening statement declared evidence would show he is the shooter.

what gets me about this entire thing is the apparent incompetence of the military justice system.

1st, the whole beard thing...he is still and always has been an officer in the us military, and regulations say quite clearly NO BEARD. therefore he should never have been allowed to wear a beard at any point for any reason. there ARE things the ucmj allows for pertaining to religion, and (going by memory, not bothering to research) facial hair is not one of those things.

2nd, i understand the wheels of justice turn slowly, but there is no reason it should've taken 4 years to get to this point.

3rd, from what i heard he never received any demotion in rank, never received any reduction in pay, etc. i had coworkers who received both over marijuana. why didn't this guy get knocked down a rank or 2 for MURDER!?!


modified that for myself
 
2013-08-21 12:33:33 PM  
He's already come forth and admitted guilt.  Why wasn't he taken out back, wrapped in pig lard and pig slop from head to toe and summarily executed?
 
2013-08-21 12:33:45 PM  

meanmutton: On a tangential note: I hate when people refer to Maj. Hasan as a terrorist.  He absolutely was not a terrorist.  His target was a legitimate, military target and his actions were acts of war.

He was a traitor, though, and should be executed for treason.


Apparently Eric Holder has a FARK handle.
 
2013-08-21 12:34:12 PM  

bungle_jr: 3rd, from what i heard he never received any demotion in rank, never received any reduction in pay, etc. i had coworkers who received both over marijuana. why didn't this guy get knocked down a rank or 2 for MURDER!?!


Can I suppose that those punishments were imposed after it was found, by whatever means, that they had actually committed the offense?  The trial, in this case, is the means of determining whether he committed the offense.  Punishment follows conviction, not accusation.  Well usually.  YMMV.
 
2013-08-21 12:35:22 PM  

UtileDysfunktion: Gonz: I believe Mr. Hasan wishes to become a martyr.
I believe the US Army will provide him with that opportunity.

That's what he wants.  A far greater punishment would be to deny him martyrdom and just lock him away for life.


Send him to Fort Leavenworth and reinstitute the breaking big rocks into small rocks program
 
2013-08-21 12:36:08 PM  

vudukungfu: You kill people you don't get to have a religion.


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*AHEM*
 
2013-08-21 12:37:19 PM  

treesloth: bungle_jr: 3rd, from what i heard he never received any demotion in rank, never received any reduction in pay, etc. i had coworkers who received both over marijuana. why didn't this guy get knocked down a rank or 2 for MURDER!?!

Can I suppose that those punishments were imposed after it was found, by whatever means, that they had actually committed the offense?  The trial, in this case, is the means of determining whether he committed the offense.  Punishment follows conviction, not accusation.  Well usually.  YMMV.


again, not taking the time to look up and research the ucmj (laziness), but iirc there can be a reduction of rank/pay without a court martial. i believe there can be a temporary reduction based on letters of reprimand or other in-house procedures.

i could be completely wrong, and if so i take back what i said...this marijuana bust took place at least 12 years ago
 
2013-08-21 12:37:19 PM  

Cletus C.: Workplace violence has consequences.


Anyone else find it odd that the court insists that this is workplace violence when the defendant has clearly and repeatedly stated that he did it because he was on a personal jihad?
 
2013-08-21 12:38:07 PM  

baronbloodbath: Doubleodoug: FTA:  Hasan originally planned to call Rambo as his only defense witness but opted against it earlier in the day

Fark I am disapoint

"I didn't start this!  You started this!  First Blood!!!111!!"

[24.media.tumblr.com image 576x276]


Much better. THANK YOU!
 
2013-08-21 12:38:56 PM  

Gonz: I believe Mr. Hasan wishes to become a martyr.

I believe the US Army will provide him with that opportunity.


The whole 'oooh we don't want to make any martyrs' thing is overrated.  Muslim fanatics already have more martyrs than they know what to do with.  Saddam.  OBL.  #2. #2. #2...etc...#2...yadda yadda...#2...

Execute him and have done with it.

/   you CAN kill an idea
//  you just have to be willing to kill everybody that has the idea
 
2013-08-21 12:39:36 PM  

AngryDragon: Cletus C.: Workplace violence has consequences.

Anyone else find it odd that the court insists that this is workplace violence when the defendant has clearly and repeatedly stated that he did it because he was on a personal jihad?


Because he can take his "personal jihad" and shove it up his ass.  Acknowledging his perspective lends credibility.
 
2013-08-21 12:40:15 PM  

treesloth: Gonz: I believe Mr. Hasan wishes to become a martyr.

I believe the US Army will provide him with that opportunity.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if one juror votes not guilty on a single charge just to deprive him of that chance.  Rot in prison, no virgins for you.


This. You have to understand, you want them to suffer. Life in prison, isolation, nothing to look forward to but the same everyday. Make him wait for his 'virgin' afterlife. Make him an example of boredom. Take pictures of him regularly while the fire dies.

You can see the differences in a wild tiger vs a captive born tiger. You can see that pain in the eyes from captivity. Humans are little different.
 
2013-08-21 12:40:20 PM  
bungle_jr: 1st, the whole beard thing...he is still and always has been an officer in the us military, and regulations say quite clearly NO BEARD. therefore he should never have been allowed to wear a beard at any point for any reason. there ARE things the ucmj allows for pertaining to religion, and (going by memory pulling shiat out of my ass, not bothering too lazy to research) facial hair is not one of those things.

FTFY.

Ummm...

Here's just one link...   http://www.sikhcoalition.org/army-campaign/sikhs-in-the-us-army/

3rd, from what i heard he never received any demotion in rank, never received any reduction in pay, etc. i had coworkers who received both over marijuana. why didn't this guy get knocked down a rank or 2 for MURDER!?!

When he's convicted he will definitely get all of those.  Operative requirement: Conviction.
 
2013-08-21 12:40:32 PM  
Terrorists:  "we are declaring war against the US because of X"
Hasan:  "I believe in X and killed people indiscriminately in the name of X"

Hasan = terrorist
 
2013-08-21 12:43:16 PM  

bungle_jr: Gonz: I believe Mr. Hasan wishes to become a martyr.

I believe the US Army will provide him with that opportunity.

he's already a martyr in his own mind, and he believes that the people whom he wants to be seen as a martyr to already see him as one. he's guilty of shooting, killing, and wounding fellow army personnel. he has not denied at all that he was the shooter. his opening statement declared evidence would show he is the shooter.

what gets me about this entire thing is the apparent incompetence of the military justice system.

1st, the whole beard thing...he is still and always has been an officer in the us military, and regulations say quite clearly NO BEARD. therefore he should never have been allowed to wear a beard at any point for any reason. there ARE things the ucmj allows for pertaining to religion, and (going by memory, not bothering to research) facial hair is not one of those things.

2nd, i understand the wheels of justice turn slowly, but there is no reason it should've taken 4 years to get to this point.

3rd, from what i heard he never received any demotion in rank, never received any reduction in pay, etc. i had coworkers who received both over marijuana. why didn't this guy get knocked down a rank or 2 for MURDER!?!


The reduction in rank comes with the conviction.
 
2013-08-21 12:43:37 PM  
HASAN STOP.
 
2013-08-21 12:46:35 PM  

bungle_jr: again, not taking the time to look up and research the ucmj (laziness), but iirc there can be a reduction of rank/pay without a court martial. i believe there can be a temporary reduction based on letters of reprimand or other in-house procedures.


Yeah, that's why I kept if vague.  Non-judicial punishments exist, of course, but the UCMJ still dictates investigation, finding of facts, assessment, etc, with any relevant punishment to follow that finding, not the accusation.

Higher-ranking officers (flag or designated representatives) has more latitude to impose non-judicial punishment, and even they can only limit them to quarters or base for a limited time, formally reprimand, or temporarily dock pay.  I don't think they can do permanent reductions in either pay or grade non-judicially.  Could be wrong, probably am about something...
 
2013-08-21 12:49:05 PM  

STRYPERSWINE: Terrorists:  "we are declaring war against the US because of X"
Hasan:  "I believe in X and killed people indiscriminately in the name of X"

Hasan = terrorist


I hope you see what you did there.
 
2013-08-21 12:49:52 PM  

treesloth: I don't think they can do permanent reductions in either pay or grade non-judicially. Could be wrong, probably am about something


Former Amry boss of mine explained that temporary punishments exist however permanent reductions, stripping, and etc... require formal process and procedure to take place.

...and that technically they could have made him shave that god damn beard off.
 
2013-08-21 12:53:10 PM  

treesloth: bungle_jr: again, not taking the time to look up and research the ucmj (laziness), but iirc there can be a reduction of rank/pay without a court martial. i believe there can be a temporary reduction based on letters of reprimand or other in-house procedures.

Yeah, that's why I kept if vague.  Non-judicial punishments exist, of course, but the UCMJ still dictates investigation, finding of facts, assessment, etc, with any relevant punishment to follow that finding, not the accusation.

Higher-ranking officers (flag or designated representatives) has more latitude to impose non-judicial punishment, and even they can only limit them to quarters or base for a limited time, formally reprimand, or temporarily dock pay.  I don't think they can do permanent reductions in either pay or grade non-judicially.  Could be wrong, probably am about something...


Also, it should be noted that non-judicial punishment is always in lieu of judicial and must be consented to by the recipient.

Also, lesser than a courts martial, is an Article 32 hearing, which is not in front of a jury, and can permanently take rank and pay, but again is in lieu of a courts martial.  The accused still has the right to waive the Article 32 hearing and proceed to courts martial.
 
2013-08-21 12:53:21 PM  

Infernalist: meanmutton: On a tangential note: I hate when people refer to Maj. Hasan as a terrorist.  He absolutely was not a terrorist.  His target was a legitimate, military target and his actions were acts of war.

He was a traitor, though, and should be executed for treason.

That's open to debate.  What was his core motivation for attacking them from within?  It wasn't done for any apparently military reason as he's not part of any enemy army. It wasn't done as part of a subversive effort on the behalf of some other nation to demoralize or confuse the military.

'War' exists between nations, no matter what the loonies will tell you about the 'war on terror/drugs/poverty/wtf-ever.'  War exists between nations and military forces where violence has reason and purpose.

All I can see is that he simply wished to kill people that angered him and did so as a means of terrifying those that he saw as enemies because his religious demanded it.

A terrorist, as far as I'm concerned.


You are absolutely right about this.  The semantics of the word "war" do indeed involve two militaries with a structured set of rules of engagement.  Anyone who is fighting the so called "holy war" is not fighting a war by that definition.  They are fighting as terrorists.  And the thing is, you will never be able to convince them that that's the case.  To them, it really IS a war.

This guy here is a self proclaimed combatant in a war with no definition, and no sort of enrollment in any army that is currently at war with the US.  He can use his holy war as an excuse all he wants.  But it doesn't change the fact that what he did, he did on his own.

To summarize, yeah, a terrorist is a terrorist.
 
2013-08-21 12:55:26 PM  

meanmutton: On a tangential note: I hate when people refer to Maj. Hasan as a terrorist.  He absolutely was not a terrorist.  His target was a legitimate, military target and his actions were acts of war.

He was a traitor, though, and should be executed for treason.


I agree, and those injured by him should be awarded the purple heart.
 
2013-08-21 12:55:31 PM  
let's blame everything on a religion almost excatly like our own, perfect sense!
 
2013-08-21 01:01:02 PM  
So, is the Obama admin still shaiting on the dead and wounded Soldiers who were victims of AQ-connected Hasan's act of terrorism by calling it mere 'violence'?
 
2013-08-21 01:01:09 PM  

bungle_jr: Gonz: I believe Mr. Hasan wishes to become a martyr.

I believe the US Army will provide him with that opportunity.

he's already a martyr in his own mind, and he believes that the people whom he wants to be seen as a martyr to already see him as one. he's guilty of shooting, killing, and wounding fellow army personnel. he has not denied at all that he was the shooter. his opening statement declared evidence would show he is the shooter.

what gets me about this entire thing is the apparent incompetence of the military justice system.

1st, the whole beard thing...he is still and always has been an officer in the us military, and regulations say quite clearly NO BEARD. therefore he should never have been allowed to wear a beard at any point for any reason. there ARE things the ucmj allows for pertaining to religion, and (going by memory, not bothering to research) facial hair is not one of those things.


images.morris.com

2nd, i understand the wheels of justice turn slowly, but there is no reason it should've taken 4 years to get to this point.

I honestly think they were waiting for the dust to settle so it didn't become some circus 

3rd, from what i heard he never received any demotion in rank, never received any reduction in pay, etc. i had coworkers who received both over marijuana. why didn't this guy get knocked down a rank or 2 for MURDER!?!

Didn't know that but I would assume there is a very good administrative/legal reason for that.  The military is weird about things like that.  You could have a Sgt Major fresh out of prison who was demoted to e1 working in the headquarters waiting to be out processed.  I'm assuming with officers it's more complex.
 
2013-08-21 01:05:05 PM  
What if this is actually a brilliant reverse psychology ploy by Hasan to prevent the military from giving him a death sentence?
 
2013-08-21 01:12:33 PM  
Greedo shot first!!??
 
2013-08-21 01:17:30 PM  

Infernalist: meanmutton: On a tangential note: I hate when people refer to Maj. Hasan as a terrorist.  He absolutely was not a terrorist.  His target was a legitimate, military target and his actions were acts of war.

He was a traitor, though, and should be executed for treason.

That's open to debate.  What was his core motivation for attacking them from within?  It wasn't done for any apparently military reason as he's not part of any enemy army. It wasn't done as part of a subversive effort on the behalf of some other nation to demoralize or confuse the military.

'War' exists between nations, no matter what the loonies will tell you about the 'war on terror/drugs/poverty/wtf-ever.'  War exists between nations and military forces where violence has reason and purpose.

All I can see is that he simply wished to kill people that angered him and did so as a means of terrifying those that he saw as enemies because his religious demanded it.

A terrorist, as far as I'm concerned.


farm1.static.flickr.com
What a terrorist may look like?
 
2013-08-21 01:26:32 PM  
Non-Judicial punishment under Article 15 of the UCMJ must be accepted by the accused or refused and demand trial by Court Martial.  It also has rank limits and who can oversee the proceeding.  E1-E4 can be performed at the Company Level, O-2 or O-3 presiding over and can only impose 1 grade reduction, 2 weeks restriction to quarters, and 2 weeks loss of pay.  It can be pushed up to Field Grade (O-5 or O-6) for more serious or repeat offenses and then they can be reduced to E-1, and 45 and 45 of the restriction/pay.  E-5 and E-6 are Field Grade only and 1 pay grade reduction w/ 45/45 if I remember correctly on that one.  Anything above E-7+ is Court Martial only and there are 3 levels of that.
 
2013-08-21 01:26:44 PM  

bungle_jr: bungle_jr: Gonz: I believe Mr. Hasan wishes to become a martyr.

I believe the US Army will provide him with that opportunity.

he's already a martyr hero of islam in his own mind, and he believes that the people whom he wants to be seen as a martyr to already see him as a hero of islam, and will see him as a martyr no matter his ultimate fate. he's guilty of shooting, killing, and wounding fellow army personnel. he has not denied at all that he was the shooter. his opening statement declared evidence would show he is the shooter.

what gets me about this entire thing is the apparent incompetence of the military justice system.

1st, the whole beard thing...he is still and always has been an officer in the us military, and regulations say quite clearly NO BEARD. therefore he should never have been allowed to wear a beard at any point for any reason. there ARE things the ucmj allows for pertaining to religion, and (going by memory, not bothering to research) facial hair is not one of those things.

2nd, i understand the wheels of justice turn slowly, but there is no reason it should've taken 4 years to get to this point.

3rd, from what i heard he never received any demotion in rank, never received any reduction in pay, etc. i had coworkers who received both over marijuana. why didn't this guy get knocked down a rank or 2 for MURDER!?!

modified that for myself


You don't get busted until after your case is adjudicated. In his case, his lawyer's maneuvering made it take this long to lead him to trial. Your co-workers were undoubtedly busted for dope and punished by their commander through non-judicial punishment. That takes no time at all, and they can bust you one stripe and take away a month's pay during that (plus up to 60 days restriction and 60 days extra duty). These days, a dope bust also means being separated.
 
2013-08-21 01:58:30 PM  

optimus_grime: let's blame everything on a religion almost excatly like our own, perfect sense!


I can't tell if you are a woman, which would help me determine if your opinion is valid.
 
2013-08-21 02:20:56 PM  

GDubDub: bungle_jr: 1st, the whole beard thing...he is still and always has been an officer in the us military, and regulations say quite clearly NO BEARD. therefore he should never have been allowed to wear a beard at any point for any reason. there ARE things the ucmj allows for pertaining to religion, and (going by memory pulling shiat out of my ass, not bothering too lazy to research) facial hair is not one of those things.

FTFY.

Ummm...

Here's just one link...   http://www.sikhcoalition.org/army-campaign/sikhs-in-the-us-army/

3rd, from what i heard he never received any demotion in rank, never received any reduction in pay, etc. i had coworkers who received both over marijuana. why didn't this guy get knocked down a rank or 2 for MURDER!?!

When he's convicted he will definitely get all of those.  Operative requirement: Conviction.


ok, i stand corrected about the facial hair thing. however, 1 i was not "pulling shiat out of my ass", as i said i was going by memory, and this sikh exception happened years after i got out. 2 isn't it ONLY for sikh members? i don't recall the military allowing beards for muslim members.

as for "lazy", you could call it that...and the fact that i'm wasting enough time on fark as it is while at work, i really didn't want to waste the time it would take me to research the ucmj

and i stand (sit actually) corrected about non-judicial punishment. i see, while one CAN have rank demotion without a trial, it is essentially done by way of other means instead of a trial.

also, no amount of suffering on hasan's part would be sufficient justice for what he did, and execution is too good for him, so i'm torn on what sort of punishment would be fitting
 
2013-08-21 02:51:53 PM  

Infernalist: demanded that he kill those people.


Fine.  Let him.
 
2013-08-21 02:53:41 PM  

bungle_jr: 3rd, from what i heard he never received any demotion in rank, never received any reduction in pay, etc. i had coworkers who received both over marijuana. why didn't this guy get knocked down a rank or 2 for MURDER!?!


Im guessing it might be that your boys were found guilty for marijuana, and Hassan has not been found guilty at this time.,
 
2013-08-21 02:55:45 PM  
DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke

// you just have to be willing to kill everybody that has the idea
I'm ok with this.
 
2013-08-21 02:58:19 PM  
IRQ12

3rd, from what i heard he never received any demotion in rank, never received any reduction in pay, etc. i had coworkers who received both over marijuana. why didn't this guy get knocked down a rank or 2 for MURDER!?!
because the current administration is more concerned over a little pot than islamic terrorism

This islamic tool even admitted it was an act for islam while the coc decreed it "workplace violence" in order to bow down to religious nuts.
 
2013-08-21 03:01:38 PM  

Aristocles: So, is the Obama admin still shaiting on the dead and wounded Soldiers who were victims of AQ-connected Hasan's act of terrorism by calling it mere 'violence'?


This, right here, is the problem with modern "conservatives".

It used to be liberals who got all hung up about what to call things, rather than actually DOING something.

Holy fark, there's plenty to gripe about Obama, but seriously?  WORD CHOICE?

You lot are worse than the campus PC police, ffs.
Let me guess...you think the REAL problem at Benghazi was what the State Department spokesperson called it within the first 24 hours...
 
2013-08-21 03:16:37 PM  

PunGent: Aristocles: So, is the Obama admin still shaiting on the dead and wounded Soldiers who were victims of AQ-connected Hasan's act of terrorism by calling it mere 'violence'?

This, right here, is the problem with modern "conservatives".

It used to be liberals who got all hung up about what to call things, rather than actually DOING something.

Holy fark, there's plenty to gripe about Obama, but seriously?  WORD CHOICE?

You lot are worse than the campus PC police, ffs.
Let me guess...you think the REAL problem at Benghazi was what the State Department spokesperson called it within the first 24 hours...


The problem is by labeling this workplace violence, the victims of the attack are not provided the benefits they would have received if this was labelled a terror attack or an attack by an enemy combatant.
 
2013-08-21 03:56:33 PM  

Theaetetus: Infernalist: meanmutton: On a tangential note: I hate when people refer to Maj. Hasan as a terrorist.  He absolutely was not a terrorist.  His target was a legitimate, military target and his actions were acts of war.

He was a traitor, though, and should be executed for treason.

That's open to debate.  What was his core motivation for attacking them from within?  It wasn't done for any apparently military reason as he's not part of any enemy army. It wasn't done as part of a subversive effort on the behalf of some other nation to demoralize or confuse the military.

'War' exists between nations, no matter what the loonies will tell you about the 'war on terror/drugs/poverty/wtf-ever.'  War exists between nations and military forces where violence has reason and purpose.

All I can see is that he simply wished to kill people that angered him and did so as a means of terrifying those that he saw as enemies because his religious demanded it.

A terrorist, as far as I'm concerned.

[farm1.static.flickr.com image 500x356]
What a terrorist may look like?


Only to a Nazi.
 
2013-08-21 04:04:49 PM  

Aristocles: The problem is by labeling this workplace violence, the victims of the attack are not provided the benefits they would have received if this was labelled a terror attack or an attack by an enemy combatant.


As a veteran, I'm OK with calling this workplace violence. He wasn't an enemy combatant. He was an Army officer who went decided to kill fellow soldiers and blame it on Islam. Piss poor excuse when he just didn't want to go to Afghanistan in the first place as a non-combantant himself, i.e. doctor.

If found guilty, execute him. That'll take years on death row.

/I recommend firing squad or hanging.
//No go-juice for this worthless piece of garbage.
 
2013-08-21 04:08:01 PM  

AirForceVet: Aristocles: The problem is by labeling this workplace violence, the victims of the attack are not provided the benefits they would have received if this was labelled a terror attack or an attack by an enemy combatant.

As a veteran, I'm OK with calling this workplace violence. He wasn't an enemy combatant. He was an Army officer who went decided to kill fellow soldiers and blame it on Islam. Piss poor excuse when he just didn't want to go to Afghanistan in the first place as a non-combantant himself, i.e. doctor.

If found guilty, execute him. That'll take years on death row.

/I recommend firing squad or hanging.
//No go-juice for this worthless piece of garbage.


I'm all about drowning him in pigs blood...
 
2013-08-21 04:52:35 PM  

AirForceVet: Aristocles: The problem is by labeling this workplace violence, the victims of the attack are not provided the benefits they would have received if this was labelled a terror attack or an attack by an enemy combatant.

As a veteran, I'm OK with calling this workplace violence. He wasn't an enemy combatant. He was an Army officer who went decided to kill fellow soldiers and blame it on Islam. Piss poor excuse when he just didn't want to go to Afghanistan in the first place as a non-combantant himself, i.e. doctor.

If found guilty, execute him. That'll take years on death row.

/I recommend firing squad or hanging.
//No go-juice for this worthless piece of garbage.


This. To me, a "terrorist" is a guy who does it for a living, or at least as his primary hobby. Hasan just biatched a bunch, then brought a gun to work. He's just another emo POS with a bad personality, who hated his job and coworkers.

/Iraq veteran

//He'll probably get the needle; the military uses a federal penitentiary to carry out the death penalty (even though they haven't done it since 1948), and that's the only method used any more.
 
2013-08-21 04:59:46 PM  
Hasan originally planned to call Rambo as his only defense witness but opted against it earlier in the day.

: Look John, we can't have you running around out there killing friendly civilians.
: There are no friendly civilians!
: But I'm your friend Johnny! I was there with you knee-deep in all that blood and guts. I covered your ass more than once. Seems like baling you out of trouble's got to be a life-time achievement for me.
: Well you did some pushing on your own John.
: They drew first blood, not me.
: For *you*! For me civilian life is nothing! In the field we had a code of honor, you watch my back, I watch yours. Back here there's nothing!
: You're the last of an elite group, don't end it like this.
: Back there I could fly a gunship, I could drive a tank, I was in charge of million dollar equipment, back here I can't even hold a job *parking cars*!

man! I wish Hasan did call Rambo. It would've been the trial of the century!
 
2013-08-21 05:13:23 PM  
mbillips: This. To me, a "terrorist" is a guy who does it for a living, or at least as his primary hobby. Hasan just biatched a bunch, then brought a gun to work. He's just another emo POS with a bad personality, who hated his job and coworkers.

He expected to be killed.

Did the 9/11 terrorists crash planes into buildings "for a living"?

IT.WAS.TERRORISM.
 
2013-08-21 05:18:51 PM  

peterthx: mbillips: This. To me, a "terrorist" is a guy who does it for a living, or at least as his primary hobby. Hasan just biatched a bunch, then brought a gun to work. He's just another emo POS with a bad personality, who hated his job and coworkers.

He expected to be killed.

Did the 9/11 terrorists crash planes into buildings "for a living"?

IT.WAS.TERRORISM.


Yeah, they did. They didn't have day jobs while they were overstaying their visas, taking flight training, etc. That was a long-planned terrorist op. Those guys were paid to do it as a full time job for months.

Hasan wasn't linked to any terrorist planners. He just hated his job, his country, our foreign policy, his fellow soldiers (they bullied him because he was an asshole). Then he brought a gun to work. No different from any random postal worker.
 
2013-08-21 05:25:06 PM  

bungle_jr: Gonz: I believe Mr. Hasan wishes to become a martyr.

I believe the US Army will provide him with that opportunity.

he's already a martyr in his own mind, and he believes that the people whom he wants to be seen as a martyr to already see him as one. he's guilty of shooting, killing, and wounding fellow army personnel. he has not denied at all that he was the shooter. his opening statement declared evidence would show he is the shooter.

what gets me about this entire thing is the apparent incompetence of the military justice system.

1st, the whole beard thing...he is still and always has been an officer in the us military, and regulations say quite clearly NO BEARD. therefore he should never have been allowed to wear a beard at any point for any reason. there ARE things the ucmj allows for pertaining to religion, and (going by memory, not bothering to research) facial hair is not one of those things.

2nd, i understand the wheels of justice turn slowly, but there is no reason it should've taken 4 years to get to this point.

3rd, from what i heard he never received any demotion in rank, never received any reduction in pay, etc. i had coworkers who received both over marijuana. why didn't this guy get knocked down a rank or 2 for MURDER!?!


We're your friends doted when accused or convicted? That matters.

/not defending this asshole, but ya gotta satisfy the paperwork trolls.
 
2013-08-21 05:38:33 PM  

mbillips: Hasan wasn't linked to any terrorist planners. He just hated his job, his country, our foreign policy, his fellow soldiers (they bullied him because he was an asshole). Then he brought a gun to work. No different from any random postal worker.


Most postal workers don't swap emails with Anwar al-Awlaki or attend the same mosque as two of the 9/11 hijackers did.
 
2013-08-22 04:55:25 AM  

AirForceVet: Aristocles: The problem is by labeling this workplace violence, the victims of the attack are not provided the benefits they would have received if this was labelled a terror attack or an attack by an enemy combatant.

As a veteran, I'm OK with calling this workplace violence. He wasn't an enemy combatant. He was an Army officer who went decided to kill fellow soldiers and blame it on Islam. Piss poor excuse when he just didn't want to go to Afghanistan in the first place as a non-combantant himself, i.e. doctor.

If found guilty, execute him. That'll take years on death row.

/I recommend firing squad or hanging.
//No go-juice for this worthless piece of garbage.


You do realize that by calling this workplace violence, the people who were injured/killed by him get NO benefits from the government, and have to pay all of their own medical bills out of their own pockets, right? That the whole reason for calling it workplace violence was so the government could save some cash?
 
2013-08-22 08:35:44 AM  

Zebulon: AirForceVet: Aristocles: The problem is by labeling this workplace violence, the victims of the attack are not provided the benefits they would have received if this was labelled a terror attack or an attack by an enemy combatant.

As a veteran, I'm OK with calling this workplace violence. He wasn't an enemy combatant. He was an Army officer who went decided to kill fellow soldiers and blame it on Islam. Piss poor excuse when he just didn't want to go to Afghanistan in the first place as a non-combantant himself, i.e. doctor.

If found guilty, execute him. That'll take years on death row.

/I recommend firing squad or hanging.
//No go-juice for this worthless piece of garbage.

You do realize that by calling this workplace violence, the people who were injured/killed by him get NO benefits from the government, and have to pay all of their own medical bills out of their own pockets, right? That the whole reason for calling it workplace violence was so the government could save some cash?


The Soldiers will still be taken care of by the Army, however, if their injuries are career ending, they won't get as much benefits as a Soldier injured in a combat zone or by an enemy combatant. As for the civilian killed and the civilian who was injured, I don't know how their bills will be paid.

But, you're right, by calling this "workplace violence" the Army (gov't) saves cash.
 
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