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2013-08-21 11:59:40 AM
And on the first day, He rested.
 
2013-08-21 12:19:14 PM
I believe Mr. Hasan wishes to become a martyr.

I believe the US Army will provide him with that opportunity.
 
2013-08-21 12:20:55 PM
Workplace violence has consequences.
 
2013-08-21 12:21:18 PM
"I tell you I gotta plead ignorance on this thing..."
 
2013-08-21 12:22:30 PM
On a tangential note: I hate when people refer to Maj. Hasan as a terrorist.  He absolutely was not a terrorist.  His target was a legitimate, military target and his actions were acts of war.

He was a traitor, though, and should be executed for treason.
 
2013-08-21 12:23:09 PM
www.moonbattery.com
 
2013-08-21 12:23:12 PM

Gonz: I believe Mr. Hasan wishes to become a martyr.

I believe the US Army will provide him with that opportunity.


All of that is irrelevant to him.  All he wants is to get to the sentencing part of the trial so he can stand up on his soapbox and explain why his religion demanded that he kill those people.
 
2013-08-21 12:23:34 PM

Gonz: I believe Mr. Hasan wishes to become a martyr.

I believe the US Army will provide him with that opportunity.


No, they know an ironic punishment is more fitting. He shall be a well cared for quadriplegic in a blank room with no TV for years and years. Never give a prisoner what they want.
 
2013-08-21 12:24:17 PM

Gonz: I believe Mr. Hasan wishes to become a martyr.

I believe the US Army will provide him with that opportunity.


I wouldn't be at all surprised if one juror votes not guilty on a single charge just to deprive him of that chance.  Rot in prison, no virgins for you.
 
2013-08-21 12:24:19 PM

meanmutton: On a tangential note: I hate when people refer to Maj. Hasan as a terrorist.  He absolutely was not a terrorist.  His target was a legitimate, military target and his actions were acts of war.

He was a traitor, though, and should be executed for treason.



So your saying that the Unites States Army was at war with the United States Army?
(and people think this Hasan guy is nuts!)
 
2013-08-21 12:24:21 PM

meanmutton: On a tangential note: I hate when people refer to Maj. Hasan as a terrorist.  He absolutely was not a terrorist.  His target was a legitimate, military target and his actions were acts of war.

He was a traitor, though, and should be executed for treason.


Actually killing medics is a war crime
 
2013-08-21 12:25:18 PM

Gonz: I believe Mr. Hasan wishes to become a martyr.
I believe the US Army will provide him with that opportunity.


That's what he wants.  A far greater punishment would be to deny him martyrdom and just lock him away for life.
 
2013-08-21 12:25:56 PM

Cletus C.: Workplace violence Islamic terrorism has consequences.


FTFY
 
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2013-08-21 12:27:15 PM
I am anti-idiot, therefore I am most definitely anti-this guy.
 
2013-08-21 12:27:49 PM

johnny_vegas: [www.moonbattery.com image 300x225]


This.
 
2013-08-21 12:27:52 PM
FTA:  Hasan originally planned to call Rambo as his only defense witness but opted against it earlier in the day

Fark I am disapoint
 
2013-08-21 12:27:58 PM

meanmutton: On a tangential note: I hate when people refer to Maj. Hasan as a terrorist.  He absolutely was not a terrorist.  His target was a legitimate, military target and his actions were acts of war.

He was a traitor, though, and should be executed for treason.


That's open to debate.  What was his core motivation for attacking them from within?  It wasn't done for any apparently military reason as he's not part of any enemy army. It wasn't done as part of a subversive effort on the behalf of some other nation to demoralize or confuse the military.

'War' exists between nations, no matter what the loonies will tell you about the 'war on terror/drugs/poverty/wtf-ever.'  War exists between nations and military forces where violence has reason and purpose.

All I can see is that he simply wished to kill people that angered him and did so as a means of terrifying those that he saw as enemies because his religious demanded it.

A terrorist, as far as I'm concerned.
 
2013-08-21 12:28:36 PM

UtileDysfunktion: Gonz: I believe Mr. Hasan wishes to become a martyr.
I believe the US Army will provide him with that opportunity.

That's what he wants.  A far greater punishment would be to deny him martyrdom and just lock him away for life.


In a room full of bacon and uncovered women.  Wait a sec...
 
2013-08-21 12:30:46 PM

Gonz: I believe Mr. Hasan wishes to become a martyr.

I believe the US Army will provide him with that opportunity.


he's already a martyr in his own mind, and he believes that the people whom he wants to be seen as a martyr to already see him as one. he's guilty of shooting, killing, and wounding fellow army personnel. he has not denied at all that he was the shooter. his opening statement declared evidence would show he is the shooter.

what gets me about this entire thing is the apparent incompetence of the military justice system.

1st, the whole beard thing...he is still and always has been an officer in the us military, and regulations say quite clearly NO BEARD. therefore he should never have been allowed to wear a beard at any point for any reason. there ARE things the ucmj allows for pertaining to religion, and (going by memory, not bothering to research) facial hair is not one of those things.

2nd, i understand the wheels of justice turn slowly, but there is no reason it should've taken 4 years to get to this point.

3rd, from what i heard he never received any demotion in rank, never received any reduction in pay, etc. i had coworkers who received both over marijuana. why didn't this guy get knocked down a rank or 2 for MURDER!?!
 
2013-08-21 12:31:19 PM
Brought to you by: The Religion of Peace.
 
2013-08-21 12:32:08 PM

Doubleodoug: FTA:  Hasan originally planned to call Rambo as his only defense witness but opted against it earlier in the day

Fark I am disapoint


"I didn't start this!  You started this!  First Blood!!!111!!"

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-08-21 12:33:17 PM
He should be sentenced to serve bacon.
Nothing but bacon.
You kill people you don't get to have a religion.
 
2013-08-21 12:33:28 PM

bungle_jr: Gonz: I believe Mr. Hasan wishes to become a martyr.

I believe the US Army will provide him with that opportunity.

he's already a martyr hero of islam in his own mind, and he believes that the people whom he wants to be seen as a martyr to already see him as a hero of islam, and will see him as a martyr no matter his ultimate fate. he's guilty of shooting, killing, and wounding fellow army personnel. he has not denied at all that he was the shooter. his opening statement declared evidence would show he is the shooter.

what gets me about this entire thing is the apparent incompetence of the military justice system.

1st, the whole beard thing...he is still and always has been an officer in the us military, and regulations say quite clearly NO BEARD. therefore he should never have been allowed to wear a beard at any point for any reason. there ARE things the ucmj allows for pertaining to religion, and (going by memory, not bothering to research) facial hair is not one of those things.

2nd, i understand the wheels of justice turn slowly, but there is no reason it should've taken 4 years to get to this point.

3rd, from what i heard he never received any demotion in rank, never received any reduction in pay, etc. i had coworkers who received both over marijuana. why didn't this guy get knocked down a rank or 2 for MURDER!?!


modified that for myself
 
2013-08-21 12:33:33 PM
He's already come forth and admitted guilt.  Why wasn't he taken out back, wrapped in pig lard and pig slop from head to toe and summarily executed?
 
2013-08-21 12:33:45 PM

meanmutton: On a tangential note: I hate when people refer to Maj. Hasan as a terrorist.  He absolutely was not a terrorist.  His target was a legitimate, military target and his actions were acts of war.

He was a traitor, though, and should be executed for treason.


Apparently Eric Holder has a FARK handle.
 
2013-08-21 12:34:12 PM

bungle_jr: 3rd, from what i heard he never received any demotion in rank, never received any reduction in pay, etc. i had coworkers who received both over marijuana. why didn't this guy get knocked down a rank or 2 for MURDER!?!


Can I suppose that those punishments were imposed after it was found, by whatever means, that they had actually committed the offense?  The trial, in this case, is the means of determining whether he committed the offense.  Punishment follows conviction, not accusation.  Well usually.  YMMV.
 
2013-08-21 12:35:22 PM

UtileDysfunktion: Gonz: I believe Mr. Hasan wishes to become a martyr.
I believe the US Army will provide him with that opportunity.

That's what he wants.  A far greater punishment would be to deny him martyrdom and just lock him away for life.


Send him to Fort Leavenworth and reinstitute the breaking big rocks into small rocks program
 
2013-08-21 12:36:08 PM

vudukungfu: You kill people you don't get to have a religion.


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*AHEM*
 
2013-08-21 12:37:19 PM

treesloth: bungle_jr: 3rd, from what i heard he never received any demotion in rank, never received any reduction in pay, etc. i had coworkers who received both over marijuana. why didn't this guy get knocked down a rank or 2 for MURDER!?!

Can I suppose that those punishments were imposed after it was found, by whatever means, that they had actually committed the offense?  The trial, in this case, is the means of determining whether he committed the offense.  Punishment follows conviction, not accusation.  Well usually.  YMMV.


again, not taking the time to look up and research the ucmj (laziness), but iirc there can be a reduction of rank/pay without a court martial. i believe there can be a temporary reduction based on letters of reprimand or other in-house procedures.

i could be completely wrong, and if so i take back what i said...this marijuana bust took place at least 12 years ago
 
2013-08-21 12:37:19 PM

Cletus C.: Workplace violence has consequences.


Anyone else find it odd that the court insists that this is workplace violence when the defendant has clearly and repeatedly stated that he did it because he was on a personal jihad?
 
2013-08-21 12:38:07 PM

baronbloodbath: Doubleodoug: FTA:  Hasan originally planned to call Rambo as his only defense witness but opted against it earlier in the day

Fark I am disapoint

"I didn't start this!  You started this!  First Blood!!!111!!"

[24.media.tumblr.com image 576x276]


Much better. THANK YOU!
 
2013-08-21 12:38:56 PM

Gonz: I believe Mr. Hasan wishes to become a martyr.

I believe the US Army will provide him with that opportunity.


The whole 'oooh we don't want to make any martyrs' thing is overrated.  Muslim fanatics already have more martyrs than they know what to do with.  Saddam.  OBL.  #2. #2. #2...etc...#2...yadda yadda...#2...

Execute him and have done with it.

/   you CAN kill an idea
//  you just have to be willing to kill everybody that has the idea
 
2013-08-21 12:39:36 PM

AngryDragon: Cletus C.: Workplace violence has consequences.

Anyone else find it odd that the court insists that this is workplace violence when the defendant has clearly and repeatedly stated that he did it because he was on a personal jihad?


Because he can take his "personal jihad" and shove it up his ass.  Acknowledging his perspective lends credibility.
 
2013-08-21 12:40:15 PM

treesloth: Gonz: I believe Mr. Hasan wishes to become a martyr.

I believe the US Army will provide him with that opportunity.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if one juror votes not guilty on a single charge just to deprive him of that chance.  Rot in prison, no virgins for you.


This. You have to understand, you want them to suffer. Life in prison, isolation, nothing to look forward to but the same everyday. Make him wait for his 'virgin' afterlife. Make him an example of boredom. Take pictures of him regularly while the fire dies.

You can see the differences in a wild tiger vs a captive born tiger. You can see that pain in the eyes from captivity. Humans are little different.
 
2013-08-21 12:40:20 PM
bungle_jr: 1st, the whole beard thing...he is still and always has been an officer in the us military, and regulations say quite clearly NO BEARD. therefore he should never have been allowed to wear a beard at any point for any reason. there ARE things the ucmj allows for pertaining to religion, and (going by memory pulling shiat out of my ass, not bothering too lazy to research) facial hair is not one of those things.

FTFY.

Ummm...

Here's just one link...   http://www.sikhcoalition.org/army-campaign/sikhs-in-the-us-army/

3rd, from what i heard he never received any demotion in rank, never received any reduction in pay, etc. i had coworkers who received both over marijuana. why didn't this guy get knocked down a rank or 2 for MURDER!?!

When he's convicted he will definitely get all of those.  Operative requirement: Conviction.
 
2013-08-21 12:40:32 PM
Terrorists:  "we are declaring war against the US because of X"
Hasan:  "I believe in X and killed people indiscriminately in the name of X"

Hasan = terrorist
 
2013-08-21 12:43:16 PM

bungle_jr: Gonz: I believe Mr. Hasan wishes to become a martyr.

I believe the US Army will provide him with that opportunity.

he's already a martyr in his own mind, and he believes that the people whom he wants to be seen as a martyr to already see him as one. he's guilty of shooting, killing, and wounding fellow army personnel. he has not denied at all that he was the shooter. his opening statement declared evidence would show he is the shooter.

what gets me about this entire thing is the apparent incompetence of the military justice system.

1st, the whole beard thing...he is still and always has been an officer in the us military, and regulations say quite clearly NO BEARD. therefore he should never have been allowed to wear a beard at any point for any reason. there ARE things the ucmj allows for pertaining to religion, and (going by memory, not bothering to research) facial hair is not one of those things.

2nd, i understand the wheels of justice turn slowly, but there is no reason it should've taken 4 years to get to this point.

3rd, from what i heard he never received any demotion in rank, never received any reduction in pay, etc. i had coworkers who received both over marijuana. why didn't this guy get knocked down a rank or 2 for MURDER!?!


The reduction in rank comes with the conviction.
 
2013-08-21 12:43:37 PM
HASAN STOP.
 
2013-08-21 12:46:35 PM

bungle_jr: again, not taking the time to look up and research the ucmj (laziness), but iirc there can be a reduction of rank/pay without a court martial. i believe there can be a temporary reduction based on letters of reprimand or other in-house procedures.


Yeah, that's why I kept if vague.  Non-judicial punishments exist, of course, but the UCMJ still dictates investigation, finding of facts, assessment, etc, with any relevant punishment to follow that finding, not the accusation.

Higher-ranking officers (flag or designated representatives) has more latitude to impose non-judicial punishment, and even they can only limit them to quarters or base for a limited time, formally reprimand, or temporarily dock pay.  I don't think they can do permanent reductions in either pay or grade non-judicially.  Could be wrong, probably am about something...
 
2013-08-21 12:49:05 PM

STRYPERSWINE: Terrorists:  "we are declaring war against the US because of X"
Hasan:  "I believe in X and killed people indiscriminately in the name of X"

Hasan = terrorist


I hope you see what you did there.
 
2013-08-21 12:49:52 PM

treesloth: I don't think they can do permanent reductions in either pay or grade non-judicially. Could be wrong, probably am about something


Former Amry boss of mine explained that temporary punishments exist however permanent reductions, stripping, and etc... require formal process and procedure to take place.

...and that technically they could have made him shave that god damn beard off.
 
2013-08-21 12:53:10 PM

treesloth: bungle_jr: again, not taking the time to look up and research the ucmj (laziness), but iirc there can be a reduction of rank/pay without a court martial. i believe there can be a temporary reduction based on letters of reprimand or other in-house procedures.

Yeah, that's why I kept if vague.  Non-judicial punishments exist, of course, but the UCMJ still dictates investigation, finding of facts, assessment, etc, with any relevant punishment to follow that finding, not the accusation.

Higher-ranking officers (flag or designated representatives) has more latitude to impose non-judicial punishment, and even they can only limit them to quarters or base for a limited time, formally reprimand, or temporarily dock pay.  I don't think they can do permanent reductions in either pay or grade non-judicially.  Could be wrong, probably am about something...


Also, it should be noted that non-judicial punishment is always in lieu of judicial and must be consented to by the recipient.

Also, lesser than a courts martial, is an Article 32 hearing, which is not in front of a jury, and can permanently take rank and pay, but again is in lieu of a courts martial.  The accused still has the right to waive the Article 32 hearing and proceed to courts martial.
 
2013-08-21 12:53:21 PM

Infernalist: meanmutton: On a tangential note: I hate when people refer to Maj. Hasan as a terrorist.  He absolutely was not a terrorist.  His target was a legitimate, military target and his actions were acts of war.

He was a traitor, though, and should be executed for treason.

That's open to debate.  What was his core motivation for attacking them from within?  It wasn't done for any apparently military reason as he's not part of any enemy army. It wasn't done as part of a subversive effort on the behalf of some other nation to demoralize or confuse the military.

'War' exists between nations, no matter what the loonies will tell you about the 'war on terror/drugs/poverty/wtf-ever.'  War exists between nations and military forces where violence has reason and purpose.

All I can see is that he simply wished to kill people that angered him and did so as a means of terrifying those that he saw as enemies because his religious demanded it.

A terrorist, as far as I'm concerned.


You are absolutely right about this.  The semantics of the word "war" do indeed involve two militaries with a structured set of rules of engagement.  Anyone who is fighting the so called "holy war" is not fighting a war by that definition.  They are fighting as terrorists.  And the thing is, you will never be able to convince them that that's the case.  To them, it really IS a war.

This guy here is a self proclaimed combatant in a war with no definition, and no sort of enrollment in any army that is currently at war with the US.  He can use his holy war as an excuse all he wants.  But it doesn't change the fact that what he did, he did on his own.

To summarize, yeah, a terrorist is a terrorist.
 
2013-08-21 12:55:26 PM

meanmutton: On a tangential note: I hate when people refer to Maj. Hasan as a terrorist.  He absolutely was not a terrorist.  His target was a legitimate, military target and his actions were acts of war.

He was a traitor, though, and should be executed for treason.


I agree, and those injured by him should be awarded the purple heart.
 
2013-08-21 12:55:31 PM
let's blame everything on a religion almost excatly like our own, perfect sense!
 
2013-08-21 01:01:02 PM
So, is the Obama admin still shaiting on the dead and wounded Soldiers who were victims of AQ-connected Hasan's act of terrorism by calling it mere 'violence'?
 
2013-08-21 01:01:09 PM

bungle_jr: Gonz: I believe Mr. Hasan wishes to become a martyr.

I believe the US Army will provide him with that opportunity.

he's already a martyr in his own mind, and he believes that the people whom he wants to be seen as a martyr to already see him as one. he's guilty of shooting, killing, and wounding fellow army personnel. he has not denied at all that he was the shooter. his opening statement declared evidence would show he is the shooter.

what gets me about this entire thing is the apparent incompetence of the military justice system.

1st, the whole beard thing...he is still and always has been an officer in the us military, and regulations say quite clearly NO BEARD. therefore he should never have been allowed to wear a beard at any point for any reason. there ARE things the ucmj allows for pertaining to religion, and (going by memory, not bothering to research) facial hair is not one of those things.


images.morris.com

2nd, i understand the wheels of justice turn slowly, but there is no reason it should've taken 4 years to get to this point.

I honestly think they were waiting for the dust to settle so it didn't become some circus 

3rd, from what i heard he never received any demotion in rank, never received any reduction in pay, etc. i had coworkers who received both over marijuana. why didn't this guy get knocked down a rank or 2 for MURDER!?!

Didn't know that but I would assume there is a very good administrative/legal reason for that.  The military is weird about things like that.  You could have a Sgt Major fresh out of prison who was demoted to e1 working in the headquarters waiting to be out processed.  I'm assuming with officers it's more complex.
 
2013-08-21 01:05:05 PM
What if this is actually a brilliant reverse psychology ploy by Hasan to prevent the military from giving him a death sentence?
 
2013-08-21 01:12:33 PM
Greedo shot first!!??
 
2013-08-21 01:17:30 PM

Infernalist: meanmutton: On a tangential note: I hate when people refer to Maj. Hasan as a terrorist.  He absolutely was not a terrorist.  His target was a legitimate, military target and his actions were acts of war.

He was a traitor, though, and should be executed for treason.

That's open to debate.  What was his core motivation for attacking them from within?  It wasn't done for any apparently military reason as he's not part of any enemy army. It wasn't done as part of a subversive effort on the behalf of some other nation to demoralize or confuse the military.

'War' exists between nations, no matter what the loonies will tell you about the 'war on terror/drugs/poverty/wtf-ever.'  War exists between nations and military forces where violence has reason and purpose.

All I can see is that he simply wished to kill people that angered him and did so as a means of terrifying those that he saw as enemies because his religious demanded it.

A terrorist, as far as I'm concerned.


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