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(Patheos)   "The Bible Belt is collapsing," Russell Moore, president of the SBC's Religious Liberty Commission. "We are no longer the moral majority. We are a prophetic minority"   (patheos.com) divider line 64
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2013-08-21 10:23:43 AM  
62 votes:
He misspelled 'pathetic'.
2013-08-21 10:29:30 AM  
22 votes:
'The Bible Belt is collapsing," says Russell Moore.

Maybe the Bible needs to stop eating so much
2013-08-21 11:14:33 AM  
11 votes:
funnycatwallpapers.com
2013-08-21 12:23:02 PM  
9 votes:
It's high time we remove the Bible Belt and drop the Pants of Religion in this country. Only then can we be a free, upstanding people.
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-21 10:25:40 AM  
8 votes:
They never were moral.  Or a majority.
2013-08-21 03:23:21 PM  
4 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: It's high time we remove the Bible Belt and drop the Pants of Religion in this country. Only then can we be a free, upstanding people.


I have had a vision of the future where the Bible Belt has lost its battle to choke back the expanding waistline of American Exceptionalism.... where the Pants of Religion have fallen around the ankles of reason and truth and knowledge... thereby exposing the throbbing throngs of the purple helmeted members of the secular humanists... chafing against the chains that have encumbered them for so long in the dark, dank, sweaty underwear of ignorance and intolerance...
2013-08-21 03:15:59 PM  
3 votes:
Oblig:

i28.photobucket.com
2013-08-21 03:05:44 PM  
3 votes:
Based on obesity rate numbers, I'm confident their belt is expanding.
2013-08-21 01:08:24 PM  
3 votes:
cafewitteveen.files.wordpress.com

Obligatory

/and very true
2013-08-21 11:06:24 AM  
3 votes:
Or, "Our negro president is destroying the white race...waaaa."
2013-08-21 06:43:12 PM  
2 votes:

Fafai: SurfaceTension: PunGent: //WWJB?

Who would Jesus bang?

Who would Jesus blow.


Wait was Jesus black?
2013-08-21 05:04:05 PM  
2 votes:
images.askmen.com3.bp.blogspot.com

"[god] always needs money, the man is bad with money" ~George Carlin
2013-08-21 03:33:39 PM  
2 votes:
Stopping by to make sure the claims in the subjective and adjective modifying the subject were adequately questioned respective to veracity of the claims.
/satisfied, leaving
2013-08-21 03:22:25 PM  
2 votes:
I always called them the Mental Minority
2013-08-21 02:27:16 PM  
2 votes:
mshades.files.wordpress.com
Good day!
2013-08-21 11:17:13 AM  
2 votes:
Now that is just a shame.  Couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of people.
2013-08-21 10:43:10 AM  
2 votes:

clancifer: He misspelled 'pathetic'.


Get out of my head!!!
2013-08-22 02:31:29 AM  
1 votes:

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Weaver95: When evangelicals started being more involved with politics than their relationship to the divine, Christianity started to lose its followers.

Evangelicals are not Christians, they are Republicans.

Otherwise they would not have voted for a Mormon.


Before the election a member of my mother's church said "I hate having to chose between a Muslim and a Mormon."
2013-08-21 09:32:22 PM  
1 votes:

clancifer: He misspelled 'pathetic'.


This is why we can't have a nice thread.  Somebody has to go and finish it in Boobies.  There is no more to say.
2013-08-21 06:50:50 PM  
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: Weaver95: When evangelicals started being more involved with politics than their relationship to the divine, Christianity started to lose its followers.

Well, that and the Internet and the widely accessible information it provides.


The best part of Christianity was lost with the Circumcellions.

/Praise the Lord!
2013-08-21 05:17:10 PM  
1 votes:
There are a couple of reasons why Christians are losing the debate over gay marriage, Mr. Moore says. One is that even many Christians don't have a real understanding of what marriage is.

Being condescending is a great way to win people over.

/moran
2013-08-21 04:59:32 PM  
1 votes:
There are days that I really understand why the Romans fed these people to the lions.
2013-08-21 04:50:19 PM  
1 votes:
Thank God...
2013-08-21 04:44:47 PM  
1 votes:

clancifer: He misspelled 'pathetic'.


I don't know, they're still the majority in Methamphetamine production. That's gotta be worth something, right? Must be awesome to be a dentist in the bible belt.
2013-08-21 04:34:41 PM  
1 votes:

dr_blasto: Gonz: On the bright side, the new Pope is driving him crazy. He's a Benedict XVI man, Francis isn't really his cup of tea at all.

I've seen quite a bit of the conservative Catholics, Benedict XVI fans all, quite concerned about the direction of their church. Of course, many of these people only give a shiat about gays and abortion and can't give a single fark about the rest of the Church positions.


It has been a little fun to watch the ultra-conservative Catholics I know (the ones who still think Vatican II was a bad idea and a passing fad) twist on a contruct of thier own making.  These are people who believe that catholicism requires blind obedience and agreement with the Pope (it doesn;t and never has) and have used that to hammer thier critics for years  ("Well the HOLY FATHER SAYS...so your argument is invalid, heretical, and probably sinful").  SO watching them confronted with a Pope Like Francis who in their eyes is so liberal he might as well be the spawn of Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, whose nearly every decision they hate?  It has been ...amusing...to say the least
2013-08-21 04:21:33 PM  
1 votes:

ZombieBear: Sofa King Smart:
I have had a vision of the future where the Bible Belt has lost its battle to choke back the expanding waistline of American Exceptionalism.... where the Pants of Religion have fallen around the ankles of reason and truth and knowledge... thereby exposing the throbbing throngs of the purple helmeted members of the secular humanists... chafing against the chains that have encumbered them for so long in the dark, dank, sweaty underwear of ignorance and intolerance.

This here, is a thing of horrifying beauty. I do not know whether to clap, or throw up a little, so both have been done.


the my little pony killer started down that path... and inspired my words... I was hoping someone with more of a talent for the poetry of the written word could 'flesh it out' so to speak and run with it (further).
( I think the purple helmeted ones should 'spring forth' into the light of day... perhaps rush headlong into the warm, protective cave of organized religion only to be nearly crushed by the onslaught of the believers into a hasty retreat... then thrust themselves, again into the melee... only to retreat again... perhaps doing this several times until establishing a rhythm... of thrusting and retreating, thrusting and retreating...  perhaps culminating in some sort of  cathartic release of some sort...

whew, I need to take a break now... perhaps a cigarette and a towel to wipe this glistening perspiration from my brow.
2013-08-21 04:17:41 PM  
1 votes:
From the comments:

"From my experience, for whatever it's worth, you're mischaracterizing the Moral Majority's goals. Theydid seek to create a more moral (and thereby more Christian) society. Again, whether you agree with their particular vision of Christian or moral society, I don't know why this goal is problematic."

This is why religious fundamentalism is evil. The guy can write it down -- even if you don't agree with our morals, you shouldn't have a problem with them being forced down your throat -- and be genuinely confused about what the problem is.  Religion damages brains.
2013-08-21 04:16:08 PM  
1 votes:
t2.gstatic.com

t1.gstatic.com

Also seemed fitting...
2013-08-21 04:11:46 PM  
1 votes:
You mean denying evolution and pissing on LGBT rights didn't do any favors for the SBC?

Shocking.
2013-08-21 04:04:55 PM  
1 votes:

Princess Ryans Knickers: In the beginning there were two fish. And they had a retard baby that crawled out of the water with its mutant hands and had buttsex with a fish-squirrel or something..


Is that like how in the beginning there was only Adam and Eve, but then they had 2 sons that went out and got married to women that came out of nowhere?
2013-08-21 04:04:39 PM  
1 votes:
Well people are probably tired of mixing religion and politics and don't care what a precher thinks Gods views on the sewage bill before the voters and want to focus in on more of the message. A boss I had years ago that I have talked about on fark a few times was a jive talking preacher that thought he was holier than thou. He would talk down to us about how easy we could be replaced yet he couldnt be because he was so special. He got fired for sexual harassment and replaced in a day. Funny thing was is he was always having me scan documents for him on the scanner and email them to him, but I could never look at them. Little did he know that deleting things dosn't mean they are gone. Turns out Mr. perfect precher man was a coke head with quite an arrest record and he was being sued by a hospital, car dealership and an electronics store.
2013-08-21 04:04:25 PM  
1 votes:

severedtoe: that made shiver go down my back.


Then never read Jeff Sharlet's books.  You'll want to kill yourself.

Mark Sanford is the walking embodiment of their philosophies.  He's not a loser who cheated on his wife (against the law in SC BTW) and used state funds to it.  He's "chosen" and made a mistake on the way to fulfilling God's plan for him.  He's not a moral hypocrite - you just don't understand him and his divine destiny.

The vermin who comprise The Family can justify pretty much any evil.  Hell, they don't even care if you're Christian!  As long as you can help them see their plans to fruition.  Arm Muslim genocidal maniacs?  Sure!  It's all good if you're with God.  And you're with God if they say so.  They're his appointed bouncers.


Sharlet:  When I was working on that story, I remember debating how much Hitler we should put in the piece. That is, we wondered how fair it was to dwell on The Family's invocations of Hitler as a model of "total commitment." As it turns out, it was quite fair. After I left Ivanwald, a team of researchers and I spent years combing through hundreds of thousands of documents in archives around the country. We discovered that as far back as the 1940s, when The Family began organizing congressmen, the group's founder, Abraham Vereide, was praising Hitler's "youth work" as a model to be adopted by Americans.   He denounced Hitler himself, but he admired fascism's cultivation ofelites, crucial to what he saw as a God-ordained coming "age ofminority control."

The Family has put that concept, which they call "Jesus plus nothing," into action for decades, from their early successes fighting the New Deal in the 1930s and 40s to their recruitment of war criminals such as Herman J. Abs, known as "Hitler's banker," into postwar European leadership, to their facilitation of U.S. support for dictators ranging from Papa Doc Duvalier of Haiti to Suharto of Indonesia to Yoweri Museveni of Uganda, now their "key man" for Africa. The fetish for strongman leadership has continued with Vereide's successor, Doug Coe, who leads the group today. Throughout his letters in the Billy Graham Center Archive at Wheaton College, I found references to the leadership model of Hitler. In one sermon, variations of which he's given many times, Coe says: "Jesus said 'You got to put Him before mother-father-brother-sister.' Hitler, Lenin, Mao, that's what they taught the kids. Mao even had the kids killing their own mother and father. But it wasn't murder. It was for building the new nation. The new kingdom."


Source
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-21 03:54:12 PM  
1 votes:

Voiceofreason01: SurfaceTension: PunGent: //WWJB?

Who would Jesus bang?

he did travel around with 12 men


too bad airhorns weren't invented yet.
2013-08-21 03:50:00 PM  
1 votes:

PunGent: //WWJB?


Who would Jesus bang?
2013-08-21 03:49:39 PM  
1 votes:
1.bp.blogspot.com
2013-08-21 03:48:45 PM  
1 votes:
Well, bless their hearts
2013-08-21 03:46:22 PM  
1 votes:
Maybe if they were less "fire and brimstoney" and more "love thy neighbory", things would be different. By telling people who think differently they are heathens and all that is wrong with the world, you are not going to make any friends; much less have them join your church. Also there will be those in your church who see this condemnation of those who are different as hypocrisy, and choose to leave.

Wow, in a lot of ways it sounds like I described today's Republican Party also.
2013-08-21 03:39:54 PM  
1 votes:
"The Bible Belt is collapsing," Russell Moore, president of the SBC's Religious Liberty Commission. "We are no longer the moral majority. We are a prophetic minority"

[dry]  Thank God.
2013-08-21 03:39:51 PM  
1 votes:

Infernalist: Weisenheimer: Their position is suffering due to more and more people seeing that the existence of a God just doesn't make sense, and that many of their views are based purely on a 'because God says so.' In order to be seen as the source of Morality, they need to change their stance on not just GLBT issues, but several others as well, but they can't because their main tenant is "We Have The Truth."

Sadly, many people still believe that religion or God is the source of Morality, when in fact it's simply human empathy.

It's abdication of responsibility for your own morals.  It's a cowardly way to deal with moral conflict in your life.  Those that cling to religious mores and morals often do so because it's harder to stand up and say "No, I don't care what the Church says, birth control is not a sin, gays are not sinning by simply being gay and I'm done seeing 'thought-crime' as something to feel guilty over."


I have a friend who converted to Catholicism. Like, hardcore Conservative Catholicism. He went all-in on every aspect of the Church's dogma. He literally doesn't understand why I call him a bigot when he speaks out about the gayfolk. "It's in line with Church doctrine!"

"Well, then Church Doctrinte is bigoted."

"How can you say that? It's God's will incarnate."

"First off, Church Doctrine has changed over the years. Ask Galileo. Second, how can I say it's bigoted? I can read. We've seen this before. Quick- give me an argument against gay marriage that wasn't also used against interracial marriage."

"That's different. You wouldn't understand."

On the bright side, the new Pope is driving him crazy. He's a Benedict XVI man, Francis isn't really his cup of tea at all.
2013-08-21 03:38:39 PM  
1 votes:
All of you godless atheists are wrong, they are a prophetic minority.  Unfortunately, Apollo placed on curse on all of their tongues so their predictions are not to be believed.

/praise Zeus
2013-08-21 03:28:20 PM  
1 votes:

North_Central_Positronics: [funnycatwallpapers.com image 400x400]


I'm more of a fan of this one. She seems angrier, which somehow makes it better. Like, "I'm disgusted that these people exist, and the horrible thing that's happening to them makes me... well, not happy, but y'know..."

i47.photobucket.com
2013-08-21 03:23:55 PM  
1 votes:
kristinhoppe.files.wordpress.com
2013-08-21 03:22:59 PM  
1 votes:

Infernalist: Yeah, it always amuses me when someone claims that without religion, people would be sociopaths because of the lack of damnation to scare them into being 'good'.  I always reply with "So, if you didn't have religion, you'd be another Ted Bundy?"


No. I'm not as good looking as he was.
2013-08-21 03:22:22 PM  
1 votes:

gadian: You're a bunch of dumbasses and I really wonder how your deformed brains are able to think and regulate breathing at the same time.


Evolution.  Wonder no longer.
2013-08-21 03:22:02 PM  
1 votes:
From the original WSJ article I couldn't link to:

Which is not to say that Mr. Moore wants evangelicals to "turn inward" and reject the larger U.S. culture. Rather, he wants to refocus the movement on serving as a religious example battling in the public square on "three core issues"-life, marriage and religious liberty.
...
Mr. Moore is also deeply involved in the evangelical adoption movement.
...
Mr. Moore says he hopes to make the ObamaCare mandate a major issue in the 2016 election. By then, it will have become clear how intrusive the health-care law has become, he says, and the American people will side with religious groups that protest having to act against their beliefs. "The separation of church and state," Mr. Moore says, "is not a liberal issue."


So the "three core issues"-life, marriage and religious liberty - where religious liberty is denying health-care to the poor.
Just like Jesus taught him.
2013-08-21 03:21:36 PM  
1 votes:
Celebrate good times, come on!

2.bp.blogspot.com
2013-08-21 03:20:01 PM  
1 votes:

Bloody William: Infernalist: Bloody William: If you have to describe yourself as a prophet, you're either a lunatic or a shyster. It's bad enough to imply that you talk for god, but to say that you actively have the line on it? That's bullshiat.

I keep seeing blind faith in religion, but it's always religion filtered through people who are greatly flawed. Prophets are worthless liars. If any god has something to say, it should be said directly so the human element can't twist the message over hundreds of years. Christianity itself is mostly based on the writings of a misogynistic Greek sixty years after Jesus was crucified. These are not the words of god, this is a game of telephone thousands of years old that, if the message did come from god, has been twisted into an unrecognizable pile since then.

But if you distill the good from the bad, then it still has some value.  Turn the other cheek.  Love your neighbor.  Do unto others as you would have done unto you(masochists can ignore this one).  Forgive each other.  Be excellent to one another.

Party on, dudes.

The more we separate morality from divinity, the better off we are. Yes, loving your neighbor and doing to others as you would ahve done unto you is important. It also should be a fundamentally moral issue without the empty promise that it was said by god or the threat of damnnation if you don't do it.


Yeah, it always amuses me when someone claims that without religion, people would be sociopaths because of the lack of damnation to scare them into being 'good'.  I always reply with "So, if you didn't have religion, you'd be another Ted Bundy?"
2013-08-21 03:18:32 PM  
1 votes:

clancifer: He misspelled 'pathetic'.


cdn.lastangryfan.com
2013-08-21 03:17:30 PM  
1 votes:
The Moral Majority has never been a majority, nor have they ever been moral.
2013-08-21 03:17:01 PM  
1 votes:

impaler: Done in 1 and 2.


No, we still have to point out that they're calling 78.5% of the country (and far more still in the "Bible Belt") a minority.
2013-08-21 03:15:59 PM  
1 votes:

Bloody William: If you have to describe yourself as a prophet, you're either a lunatic or a shyster. It's bad enough to imply that you talk for god, but to say that you actively have the line on it? That's bullshiat.

I keep seeing blind faith in religion, but it's always religion filtered through people who are greatly flawed. Prophets are worthless liars. If any god has something to say, it should be said directly so the human element can't twist the message over hundreds of years. Christianity itself is mostly based on the writings of a misogynistic Greek sixty years after Jesus was crucified. These are not the words of god, this is a game of telephone thousands of years old that, if the message did come from god, has been twisted into an unrecognizable pile since then.


But if you distill the good from the bad, then it still has some value.  Turn the other cheek.  Love your neighbor.  Do unto others as you would have done unto you(masochists can ignore this one).  Forgive each other.  Be excellent to one another.

Party on, dudes.
2013-08-21 03:15:54 PM  
1 votes:
Beware of false pathetics.
2013-08-21 03:15:29 PM  
1 votes:
As a "prophetic minority," Mr. Moore thinks his most profound political task will be defending religious liberty from the assaults of a secular government.

You could try leading by example, too.
2013-08-21 03:11:03 PM  
1 votes:

gadian: You're a bunch of dumbasses and I really wonder how your deformed brains are able to think and regulate breathing at the same time.


Jesus loves us.
2013-08-21 03:10:57 PM  
1 votes:
FTA  "We don't hate our gay and lesbian neighbors," he says, but redefining marriage on their behalf is another matter."

Translation:  "We don't hate our neighbors, but we'd like to deny them federal benefits.  Really, we're just saving them from suckling at the teat of big government, the way we do."

Also FTA  "There are a couple of reasons why Christians are losing the debate over gay marriage, Mr. Moore says. One is that even many Christians don't have a real understanding of what marriage is."

Ooh, I know this one!  Marriage is a sacred bond between a man, his wife, and their handmaid.
You know, like it says in the Bible.

/yay, threesomes
//WWJB?
2013-08-21 03:10:42 PM  
1 votes:
More like pathet--

clancifer: He misspelled 'pathetic'.


Oh goddammit.
2013-08-21 03:10:08 PM  
1 votes:
This is good to know.
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-21 03:06:55 PM  
1 votes:
the more they collapse, the more moral the country gets.

really.. these people are pathetic.
2013-08-21 03:06:50 PM  
1 votes:

clancifer: He misspelled 'pathetic'.


So, what do you guys want to do now that this thread is done?
2013-08-21 01:48:01 PM  
1 votes:
I'm assuming the full interview includes the money ask.
2013-08-21 11:14:52 AM  
1 votes:
Good.
2013-08-21 10:35:49 AM  
1 votes:
Bible rust belt.
2013-08-21 10:33:31 AM  
1 votes:
When evangelicals started being more involved with politics than their relationship to the divine, Christianity started to lose its followers.
2013-08-21 10:32:57 AM  
1 votes:
Done in 1 and 2.
 
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