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(Patheos)   "The Bible Belt is collapsing," Russell Moore, president of the SBC's Religious Liberty Commission. "We are no longer the moral majority. We are a prophetic minority"   (patheos.com) divider line 281
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2013-08-21 10:23:43 AM
He misspelled 'pathetic'.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-21 10:25:40 AM
They never were moral.  Or a majority.
 
2013-08-21 10:29:30 AM
'The Bible Belt is collapsing," says Russell Moore.

Maybe the Bible needs to stop eating so much
 
2013-08-21 10:32:57 AM
Done in 1 and 2.
 
2013-08-21 10:33:31 AM
When evangelicals started being more involved with politics than their relationship to the divine, Christianity started to lose its followers.
 
2013-08-21 10:34:52 AM

Weaver95: When evangelicals started being more involved with politics than their relationship to the divine, Christianity started to lose its followers.


Well, that and the Internet and the widely accessible information it provides.
 
2013-08-21 10:35:49 AM
Bible rust belt.
 
2013-08-21 10:38:07 AM
Hmmm... sounds suspiciously like John Howard Yoder.

/Not that that's a bad thing.
 
2013-08-21 10:39:55 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Weaver95: When evangelicals started being more involved with politics than their relationship to the divine, Christianity started to lose its followers.

Well, that and the Internet and the widely accessible information it provides.


Oh there are a lot of reasons modern Christianity is imploding and collapsing. Hypocrisy, lies, corruption...it's all there if you scratch the surface and look underneath the gloss. Maybe the evangelicals would be better off if all things Christian DID implode, at least for a while. If nothing else it would force them to reevaluate their faith and it's role in their lives and in society.
 
2013-08-21 10:43:10 AM

clancifer: He misspelled 'pathetic'.


Get out of my head!!!
 
2013-08-21 11:04:40 AM

Weaver95: cameroncrazy1984: Weaver95: When evangelicals started being more involved with politics than their relationship to the divine, Christianity started to lose its followers.

Well, that and the Internet and the widely accessible information it provides.

Oh there are a lot of reasons modern Christianity is imploding and collapsing. Hypocrisy, lies, corruption...it's all there if you scratch the surface and look underneath the gloss. Maybe the evangelicals would be better off if all things Christian DID implode, at least for a while. If nothing else it would force them to reevaluate their faith and it's role in their lives and in society.


I still go to a Southern Baptist church, but I couldn't agree more with the above statements. The biggest thing I like about my current pastor, though, is that he keeps politics out of his sermons. That's not common anymore.
 
2013-08-21 11:06:24 AM
Or, "Our negro president is destroying the white race...waaaa."
 
2013-08-21 11:13:20 AM

Solkar: I still go to a Southern Baptist church, but I couldn't agree more with the above statements. The biggest thing I like about my current pastor, though, is that he keeps politics out of his sermons. That's not common anymore.


I couldn't participate to an organization that actively supports discrimination against GLBTs or anyone else.

But that's just me.
 
2013-08-21 11:14:33 AM
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2013-08-21 11:14:52 AM
Good.
 
2013-08-21 11:17:13 AM
Now that is just a shame.  Couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of people.
 
2013-08-21 11:25:07 AM

Weaver95: Christianity is imploding and collapsing. Hypocrisy, lies, corruption...it's all there if you scratch the surface and look underneath the gloss


That's always been there. But the lack of information dissemination prior to the 20th Century left a lot of that alone.
 
2013-08-21 12:23:02 PM
It's high time we remove the Bible Belt and drop the Pants of Religion in this country. Only then can we be a free, upstanding people.
 
2013-08-21 01:08:24 PM
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Obligatory

/and very true
 
2013-08-21 01:10:55 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Weaver95: Christianity is imploding and collapsing. Hypocrisy, lies, corruption...it's all there if you scratch the surface and look underneath the gloss

That's always been there. But the lack of information dissemination prior to the 20th Century left a lot of that alone.


Not as much as you'd think. Religious upheavals and schisms have existed long before the invention of the Internet. It might move a bit faster these days but not as much as you'd think.

I think the problem isn't so much communication as it is that modern Christianity has lost its focus. Are they spiritual leaders who act as a focus for the divine on earth or are they a well funded lobbyist organization with oodles of tax free money? Most of what I see from Christians in this country says they're lobbyists and activists, not spiritual trailblazers in the eternal quest for the divine.

Maybe it's time for evangelicals to fall. Maybe they've had their time. I'm pagan so I sort of h ave to believe in cycles. Maybe it's time for Christian churches to lie fallow until the wheel turns again.
 
2013-08-21 01:11:23 PM
I think the "moral" part of that was just what they wanted to be.
Too many rich pastors in the Southern Baptist world to have any claim to morality.   Especially if that wealth comes from being a pastor.
 
2013-08-21 01:27:35 PM
Maybe when you keep pardoning and apologizing for folks who are stealing, committing adultery, and supporting the actions of those who commit violence upon their brothers, and seek to keep your brethren and sistren from having the same rights that you enjoy, people notice?

Hypocrisy is part of the issue. You can't preach peace and love, and then support war and hate...
 
2013-08-21 01:30:41 PM

clancifer: He misspelled 'pathetic'.


and we are OVER in one
 
2013-08-21 01:32:09 PM
Christians that lambaste poor people are sick in the head, and are the opposite of what Christianity is supposed to stand for.
 
2013-08-21 01:32:22 PM

hubiestubert: Maybe when you keep pardoning and apologizing for folks who are stealing, committing adultery, and supporting the actions of those who commit violence upon their brothers, and seek to keep your brethren and sistren from having the same rights that you enjoy, people notice?

Hypocrisy is part of the issue. You can't preach peace and love, and then support war and hate...


Hypocrisy and laziness.  It's easier to blame other people for your internal problems.
 
2013-08-21 01:36:43 PM

Weaver95: cameroncrazy1984: Weaver95: Christianity is imploding and collapsing. Hypocrisy, lies, corruption...it's all there if you scratch the surface and look underneath the gloss

That's always been there. But the lack of information dissemination prior to the 20th Century left a lot of that alone.

Not as much as you'd think. Religious upheavals and schisms have existed long before the invention of the Internet. It might move a bit faster these days but not as much as you'd think.

I think the problem isn't so much communication as it is that modern Christianity has lost its focus. Are they spiritual leaders who act as a focus for the divine on earth or are they a well funded lobbyist organization with oodles of tax free money? Most of what I see from Christians in this country says they're lobbyists and activists, not spiritual trailblazers in the eternal quest for the divine.

Maybe it's time for evangelicals to fall. Maybe they've had their time. I'm pagan so I sort of h ave to believe in cycles. Maybe it's time for Christian churches to lie fallow until the wheel turns again.


The thing is, the fastest growing ministry in the US aren't an Evengelical ministry, but Unitarian-Universalists. A fair number of folks are returning to churches as they grow older, have kids, and want that environment for their kids, and what they don't want, are a bunch of hate filled, mean spirited souls around them and their kids. So, the power of the Evengelicals is waning as other churches, and more progressive churches rise. This, of course, translates to lost revenue, and thus the push for MOAR revivals, MOAR heated rhetoric, to bring those dollars in, and a ramping up of the Prosperity Gospel, in order to keep folks hooked, and looking to be "under fire" and "under attack" and at "war" with your own government and communities is a way to get a foxhole mentality with parishioners, so that they don't stop and consider. It is less about Jesus and his message, than con men looking to keep the rubes on the hook, and that is the real tragedy. That folks are being manipulated to feeling threatened by their religious leaders to keeping dollars rolling, as opposed to actually fulfilling their role as a conscience for their communities.

Folks are less worried about the word of the Lord, than they are the dollars in their bank accounts, and how much power that they can swing. It's being addicted to the game, not the results, and that is the sad thing, because not all folks of faith are interested in such, and their voices are drowned out by the Idiot Brigade looking to be angry about some outrage, as opposed to the message and Word...
 
2013-08-21 01:36:44 PM

Lando Lincoln: Christians that lambaste poor people are sick in the head, and are the opposite of what Christianity is supposed to stand for.


The poor and the sick have fallen out of God's favor.  They are punished for not deferring to their moral superiors - God's chosen - in all things.

The modern American Evangelical thinks the core teachings of Christianity are quaint and outdated.  And that sort of ties into hubiestubert's comment on hypocrisy.  They aren't hypocritical when they cheat on their spouses, or steal, or even moral.  They are simply flawed and experiencing small missteps in their fulfillment of God's plan for them as His chosen.

Pretty tidy, huh?
 
2013-08-21 01:36:54 PM

hubiestubert: Maybe when you keep pardoning and apologizing for folks who are stealing, committing adultery, and supporting the actions of those who commit violence upon their brothers, and seek to keep your brethren and sistren from having the same rights that you enjoy, people notice?

Hypocrisy is part of the issue. You can't preach peace and love, and then support war and hate...


That's why I'm wondering if it's time the wheel turned and Christianity falls...not to be destroyed but to be renewed.
 
2013-08-21 01:36:57 PM
FTFA:"He says that Christians need to stop thinking of themselves as "the moral majority."  Instead, they have to see themselves as the "prophetic minority." "

I think they need to realize how truly annoying they are being to everyone except their congregants.   Keep your message in your congregation and leave everyone else out of it.  Whether your aim is to change the world through politics or preaching, you will be ineffective at best doing what you have since the early 1980's.
 
2013-08-21 01:37:26 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Weaver95: When evangelicals started being more involved with politics than their relationship to the divine, Christianity started to lose its followers.

Well, that and the Internet and the widely accessible information it provides.


meh
atheism started to become a NON-issue as a life choice long before the internet.
it was clear to me in grade school that the religious people were horrible example of how to live.
As I became educated, I left behind the imaginary beings of my childhood.
Easter Bunny, Zeus, Santa, god, satan, ...


"I have found it an amusing strategy, when asked whether I am an atheist, to point out that the questioner is also an atheist when considering Zeus, Apollo, Amon Ra, Mithras, Baal, Thor, Wotan, the Golden Calf and the Flying Spaghetti Monster. I just go one god further." -dawkins

"Isn't it amazing, that the religion in which you were indoctrinated into for the first 18 years of your life just happens to be the correct one? How lucky each one of you are."
 
2013-08-21 01:37:36 PM

Diogenes: or even moral

murder
 
2013-08-21 01:43:47 PM

Weaver95: cameroncrazy1984: Weaver95: Christianity is imploding and collapsing. Hypocrisy, lies, corruption...it's all there if you scratch the surface and look underneath the gloss

That's always been there. But the lack of information dissemination prior to the 20th Century left a lot of that alone.

Not as much as you'd think. Religious upheavals and schisms have existed long before the invention of the Internet. It might move a bit faster these days but not as much as you'd think.

I think the problem isn't so much communication as it is that modern Christianity has lost its focus. Are they spiritual leaders who act as a focus for the divine on earth or are they a well funded lobbyist organization with oodles of tax free money? Most of what I see from Christians in this country says they're lobbyists and activists, not spiritual trailblazers in the eternal quest for the divine.

Maybe it's time for evangelicals to fall. Maybe they've had their time. I'm pagan so I sort of h ave to believe in cycles. Maybe it's time for Christian churches to lie fallow until the wheel turns again.


I think what is really happening is that shunning of non-believers has become illegal in most countries.   (Yes islam is the exception.)  So it has become socially and financially acceptable to be a non-believer.
My family hasntostracized since I stopped believing 35 years ago. Nor have I pushed their delusion in their face. But fewer and fewer kids are getting religious education in school. More and more kids know non-believers and are able to talk to them like adults, rather that the "YOU MUST ACCEPT JEBUS IN YOUR HEART"

Strange, once we taught out children to be tolerant of gays and minorities, it logically follows that they would be tolerant of other religions and non-believers. And once you are tolerant, well, it is logically impossible for all religions to be TRUE, therefore they are all FALSE. (yes I know, logic, what not. bite me.)

It is only starting to be true politically acceptable.
 
2013-08-21 01:48:01 PM
I'm assuming the full interview includes the money ask.
 
2013-08-21 02:09:06 PM

clancifer: He misspelled 'pathetic'.


Aaaaaand there you have it folks. Goodnight!
 
2013-08-21 02:27:16 PM
mshades.files.wordpress.com
Good day!
 
2013-08-21 03:04:02 PM

Weaver95: cameroncrazy1984: Weaver95: When evangelicals started being more involved with politics than their relationship to the divine, Christianity started to lose its followers.

Well, that and the Internet and the widely accessible information it provides.

Oh there are a lot of reasons modern Christianity is imploding and collapsing. Hypocrisy, lies, corruption...it's all there if you scratch the surface and look underneath the gloss. Maybe the evangelicals would be better off if all things Christian DID implode, at least for a while. If nothing else it would force them to reevaluate their faith and it's role in their lives and in society.


You mean a lot of the things Martin Luther railed about in his 95 Theses six hundred years ago?

/history repeating itself
 
2013-08-21 03:05:44 PM
Based on obesity rate numbers, I'm confident their belt is expanding.
 
2013-08-21 03:06:39 PM
You're a bunch of dumbasses and I really wonder how your deformed brains are able to think and regulate breathing at the same time.
 
2013-08-21 03:06:44 PM
You never were the "Moral Majority".  Everyone else was simply scared of you and your violent, oppressive ways.
 
2013-08-21 03:06:50 PM

clancifer: He misspelled 'pathetic'.


So, what do you guys want to do now that this thread is done?
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-21 03:06:55 PM
the more they collapse, the more moral the country gets.

really.. these people are pathetic.
 
2013-08-21 03:07:44 PM

vpb: They never were moral.  Or a majority.


Discuss.

/talk amongst yourselves
 
2013-08-21 03:07:56 PM
In the beginning there were two fish. And they had a retard baby that crawled out of the water with its mutant hands and had buttsex with a fish-squirrel or something..
 
2013-08-21 03:08:30 PM
From memory, sometime before the original  "Moral Majority" imploded, the "Immoral Minority" eventually closed up shop claiming that they couldn't compete with Jerry [Farwell's] kids in immorality.  Remaining funds were donated to the ACLU and presumably the Goodwill (or similar) got the leftover T-shirts.

I can't think of anybody competing with Ralph Reed's group.  Presumably nobody was immoral enough to think they had a chance.

/not a member
//was a kid at the time (when it started, more a teen by the fall of Jerry Falwell)
 
2013-08-21 03:09:04 PM

gadian: You're a bunch of dumbasses and I really wonder how your deformed brains are able to think and regulate breathing at the same time.


Huh?
 
2013-08-21 03:09:07 PM
 
2013-08-21 03:09:29 PM
We are a prophetic minority"

Spelled Pathetic wrong.
 
2013-08-21 03:10:08 PM
This is good to know.
 
2013-08-21 03:10:12 PM
so, that's their answer to waking up and realizing that America is increasingly getting sick of their shiat?

They want to embrace the eternal role of the 'I told you so!' minority?

That's what it seems like to me.  They want to get passive-aggressive, sit back and say "See?  I told you that if you gave equal rights to teh gayz that God would smite you, but did you listen?  Noooooooo...."
 
2013-08-21 03:10:18 PM

clancifer: He misspelled 'pathetic'.


vpb: They never were moral.  Or a majority.


Deep Contact: Bible rust belt.


This.

Correct.

Good.


/.....aaaaand we're done
 
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