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2013-08-21 01:45:12 PM  
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2013-08-21 01:56:59 PM  
I just assumed he never died.

Fury specifically says "they needed the push" and lied about the cards being on him.  Why wouldn't he lie about his death?
 
2013-08-21 01:59:53 PM  
I thought that some people had already seen the premier and that Coulson admit's that he doesn't remember how he survived either?
 
2013-08-21 02:03:02 PM  

hammer85: I just assumed he never died.

Fury specifically says "they needed the push" and lied about the cards being on him.  Why wouldn't he lie about his death?


This, I never thought he was really dead.
 
2013-08-21 02:03:04 PM  
Knowing Whedon the answer will come at the end of the first season.

Unless it's the fourth.
 
2013-08-21 02:23:28 PM  

PizzaJedi81: Knowing Whedon the answer will come at the end of the first season.

Unless it's the fourth.


Is this going to be on Fox? If so it'll be cancelled long before we find out.
 
2013-08-21 02:26:45 PM  

CapnPlaty: PizzaJedi81: Knowing Whedon the answer will come at the end of the first season.

Unless it's the fourth.

Is this going to be on Fox? If so it'll be cancelled long before we find out.


It's ABC, we're good to go.
 
2013-08-21 02:31:35 PM  
Maybe that's his superpower, being able to fake his own death.
 
2013-08-21 02:31:47 PM  

JolobinSmokin: hammer85: I just assumed he never died.

Fury specifically says "they needed the push" and lied about the cards being on him.  Why wouldn't he lie about his death?

This, I never thought he was really dead.


Yeah, this.
 
2013-08-21 02:32:34 PM  
Haha!  "It's a joke.  It's the first line... I'm not going to tell it now."

Y'know, between this, the potentially-good reboot of "The Tomorrow People" and the intriguing "The Blacklist", I just might have a lot of TV to watch this fall.  And this is from someone who hasn't kept up with a show since "Battlestar Galactica."
 
2013-08-21 02:36:15 PM  
Fury never says Coulson is dead, he only says he's down. He does say that the medical team is here and that they've called it, which pretty much implied he was dead... but the words Phil Coulson is dead were never spoken in that order explicitly.
 
2013-08-21 02:36:29 PM  
Seriously, a comic book character not being really dead is the biggest non-story of the century.
 
2013-08-21 02:41:35 PM  

No Such Agency: Seriously, a comic book character not being really dead is the biggest non-story of the century.


welcometofark.jpg?
 
2013-08-21 02:41:53 PM  

Cymbal: Maybe that's his superpower, being able to fake his own death.


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Approves.
 
2013-08-21 02:47:06 PM  

CapnPlaty: PizzaJedi81: Knowing Whedon the answer will come at the end of the first season.

Unless it's the fourth.

Is this going to be on Fox? If so it'll be cancelled long before we find out.


Why would Disney put it on Fox when they own a broadcasting network?
 
2013-08-21 02:49:39 PM  

PizzaJedi81: CapnPlaty: PizzaJedi81: Knowing Whedon the answer will come at the end of the first season.

Unless it's the fourth.

Is this going to be on Fox? If so it'll be cancelled long before we find out.

It's ABC, we're good to go.


Not necessarily.  I'm still disappointed we only got a dozen episodes of The Middleman.
 
2013-08-21 02:57:02 PM  

CapnPlaty: Fury never says Coulson is dead, he only says he's down. He does say that the medical team is here and that they've called it, which pretty much implied he was dead... but the words Phil Coulson is dead were never spoken in that order explicitly.


I agree with everyone who has been saying this.

Which is why I find it strange that Whedon hasn't jumped on this explanation. This is simple and it works ... you assume they had good doctors on the hele-carrier who got to him right away and worked their magic.

Whedon seems to have something up his sleeve ... maybe Coulson being dead and coming back is going to be a plot point in the series.
 
2013-08-21 03:05:24 PM  
If I had to guess, I'd say that Whedon hasn't decided 'how' Coulson is alive and will pick the most amazing possibility at a later point, while being sure to fill the series with little subtle red herrings/clues as to how this came to be.

Have Coulson twitch every so often like a record skipping over a scratch.  Or make a reference to something to do with The Vision.

who knows?  People will tune in to find out, though and that's the biggest point.
 
2013-08-21 03:11:47 PM  

JolobinSmokin: hammer85: I just assumed he never died.

Fury specifically says "they needed the push" and lied about the cards being on him.  Why wouldn't he lie about his death?

This, I never thought he was really dead.


I get keeping it from the Avengers, but why keep it from the audience?
 
2013-08-21 03:12:52 PM  

Hoboclown: JolobinSmokin: hammer85: I just assumed he never died.

Fury specifically says "they needed the push" and lied about the cards being on him.  Why wouldn't he lie about his death?

This, I never thought he was really dead.

I get keeping it from the Avengers, but why keep it from the audience?


DRAMA!
 
2013-08-21 03:13:36 PM  

Infernalist: If I had to guess, I'd say that Whedon hasn't decided 'how' Coulson is alive and will pick the most amazing possibility at a later point, while being sure to fill the series with little subtle red herrings/clues as to how this came to be.

Have Coulson twitch every so often like a record skipping over a scratch.  Or make a reference to something to do with The Vision.

who knows?  People will tune in to find out, though and that's the biggest point.


Coulson getting killed was decided by Marvel before Whedon got on board, so I assume they'd have a plan.
 
2013-08-21 03:14:45 PM  

meanmutton: CapnPlaty: PizzaJedi81: Knowing Whedon the answer will come at the end of the first season.

Unless it's the fourth.

Is this going to be on Fox? If so it'll be cancelled long before we find out.

Why would Disney put it on Fox when they own a broadcasting network?


Lots of shows are made by other studios. Buffy was on WB but made by Fox, TSCC was on Fox but made by WB and so on.
 
2013-08-21 03:17:25 PM  
I am looking forward to this except for one thing:

I can't see how they can to an AGENTS OF SHIELD series without Nick Fury.

Let's face it:  at best, they might get SLJ for a brief cameo in the pilot (and judging from IMDB, they're not
even doing that).  Even if they could afford him, he'd be unwilling (and possibly unable: the man does have
a bad back) to do a regular TV series, and frankly Fury was always the best character in any SHIELD
related story.

If anyone can make it work without Fury as an active character, it would be Whedon, but he's got to work
pretty hard to convince me that he can do it.

Then again: maybe they'll get Keenan Ivory Wayans to pinch hit for SLJ.  He sure as hell needs the work,
and would look damn good in the eyepatch & black leather duster.
 
2013-08-21 03:19:18 PM  

Hoboclown: JolobinSmokin: hammer85: I just assumed he never died.

Fury specifically says "they needed the push" and lied about the cards being on him.  Why wouldn't he lie about his death?

This, I never thought he was really dead.

I get keeping it from the Avengers, but why keep it from the audience?


Because you will tune in EVERY FREAKING WEEK to try to figure out the mystery.
 
2013-08-21 03:22:21 PM  

Flint Ironstag: meanmutton: CapnPlaty: PizzaJedi81: Knowing Whedon the answer will come at the end of the first season.

Unless it's the fourth.

Is this going to be on Fox? If so it'll be cancelled long before we find out.

Why would Disney put it on Fox when they own a broadcasting network?

Lots of shows are made by other studios. Buffy was on WB but made by Fox, TSCC was on Fox but made by WB and so on.


ABC's been advertising it pretty heavily all summer long, so...pretty safe bet it'll be on ABC.
 
2013-08-21 03:28:32 PM  
What if Coulson did die and now he's a Life Model Decoy that might not know he's a LMD?  Get a little Blade Runner in your Avengers spinoff.
 
2013-08-21 03:44:52 PM  
The latest "one shot" from the Iron Man 3 dvd leaked yesterday, it takes place a year after the events of Captain America and centers on Agent Carter retrieving a vial of something code named zodiac, so some sort of zodiac key/infinity formula amalgam, which was probably used by Fury, and Agent Coulson, and Dum Dum Dugan, which gives credence to this awesome theory...

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2013-08-21 03:49:57 PM  
How about he's a clone a-la Venture Brothers?
I don't care what they say, I'll be watching it.
 
2013-08-21 03:52:28 PM  

Cyno01: The latest "one shot" from the Iron Man 3 dvd leaked yesterday, it takes place a year after the events of Captain America and centers on Agent Carter retrieving a vial of something code named zodiac, so some sort of zodiac key/infinity formula amalgam, which was probably used by Fury, and Agent Coulson, and Dum Dum Dugan, which gives credence to this awesome theory...

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That's pretty damn cool!
 
2013-08-21 03:59:08 PM  
And we know there're LMDs in the movie continuity.
Tony Stark, when cornered by someone who wanted to talk about something, said "I'm not Stark, I'm an LMD."
 
2013-08-21 03:59:43 PM  
He's The Vision.
 
2013-08-21 04:00:03 PM  

NeoCortex42: Not necessarily. I'm still disappointed we only got a dozen episodes of The Middleman.


That was ABC Family. And canceling it was their worst decision in a decade or more.
 
2013-08-21 04:04:46 PM  

unlikely: And we know there're LMDs in the movie continuity.
Tony Stark, when cornered by someone who wanted to talk about something, said "I'm not Stark, I'm an LMD."


That could have been classic Stark snark.

Then again, it is Tony Stark. If he hasn't done it yet, he's damn sure thought about it...
 
2013-08-21 04:06:04 PM  

unlikely: NeoCortex42: Not necessarily. I'm still disappointed we only got a dozen episodes of The Middleman.

That was ABC Family. And canceling it was their worst decision in a decade or more.


I never thought I would see a discussion about The Middleman.  I miss that show :(

/will now return home to rewatch
 
2013-08-21 04:06:13 PM  
I'm still cautiously optimistic about this series.
 
2013-08-21 04:16:34 PM  

hammer85: unlikely: NeoCortex42: Not necessarily. I'm still disappointed we only got a dozen episodes of The Middleman.

That was ABC Family. And canceling it was their worst decision in a decade or more.

I never thought I would see a discussion about The Middleman.  I miss that show :(

/will now return home to rewatch


I didn't find it till the 3rd episode had aired. I had to go back and watch the first two on DVD.
Have you watched the Comic Con table read, where they got the whole cast to read the script of the 13th episode?
 
2013-08-21 04:23:46 PM  
"I'm sorry, the corner over there was really dark. I couldn't help myself."

I know people complain about Whedon character snark, but I for one am glad to see it back on TV.
 
2013-08-21 04:24:13 PM  

unlikely: And we know there're LMDs in the movie continuity.
Tony Stark, when cornered by someone who wanted to talk about something, said "I'm not Stark, I'm an LMD."


Specifically, he said this <i>to Coulson</i>.

Which is exactly the kind of foreshadowing Whedon engages in, if Coulson was an LMD when he was killed.  Or, alternatively, they can't actually save Coulson, but they do manage to either preserve or otherwise upload him, so that in the new show he's an LMD at all times.  Which is a reasonable lead-up, down the line, to upgrading Coulson into the movie universe's version of The Vision (thought that character's a bit too high-power to lead the SHIELD show, since every plan would boil down to "throw Coulson at the enemy").
 
2013-08-21 04:24:24 PM  

unlikely: hammer85: unlikely: NeoCortex42: Not necessarily. I'm still disappointed we only got a dozen episodes of The Middleman.

That was ABC Family. And canceling it was their worst decision in a decade or more.

I never thought I would see a discussion about The Middleman.  I miss that show :(

/will now return home to rewatch

I didn't find it till the 3rd episode had aired. I had to go back and watch the first two on DVD.
Have you watched the Comic Con table read, where they got the whole cast to read the script of the 13th episode?


No, but that sounds awesome.
 
2013-08-21 04:29:01 PM  

unlikely: hammer85: unlikely: NeoCortex42: Not necessarily. I'm still disappointed we only got a dozen episodes of The Middleman.

That was ABC Family. And canceling it was their worst decision in a decade or more.

I never thought I would see a discussion about The Middleman.  I miss that show :(

/will now return home to rewatch

I didn't find it till the 3rd episode had aired. I had to go back and watch the first two on DVD.
Have you watched the Comic Con table read, where they got the whole cast to read the script of the 13th episode?


I don't think I've seen the table-read, but I did pick up the comic of the 13th episode.  It's too bad ABC Family canned it before allowing the big finale.

I can't believe how re-watchable it is as a series.  There's enough references and jokes per episode, that I usually pick up something new each time through it.  It also had a just-about perfect cast.
 
2013-08-21 04:32:54 PM  

PizzaJedi81: Flint Ironstag: meanmutton: CapnPlaty: PizzaJedi81: Knowing Whedon the answer will come at the end of the first season.

Unless it's the fourth.

Is this going to be on Fox? If so it'll be cancelled long before we find out.

Why would Disney put it on Fox when they own a broadcasting network?

Lots of shows are made by other studios. Buffy was on WB but made by Fox, TSCC was on Fox but made by WB and so on.

ABC's been advertising it pretty heavily all summer long, so...pretty safe bet it'll be on ABC.


Totally. Just pointing out that studios and and do make shows for other networks.
 
2013-08-21 04:38:11 PM  

hammer85: No, but that sounds awesome.


NeoCortex42: I don't think I've seen the table-read


The ending will break your heart.
And Cortex - it ends different than the comic.
 
2013-08-21 04:49:56 PM  

unlikely: hammer85: No, but that sounds awesome.

NeoCortex42: I don't think I've seen the table-read

The ending will break your heart.
And Cortex - it ends different than the comic.


Many thanks.  I'm actually in the middle of a series re-watch now.  It will be great to actually have "new" content to watch this time.
 
2013-08-21 05:00:11 PM  
Bullshiat, just give him Rin style imortality you farking morons.
Make him a "not so super hero"
 
2013-08-21 07:01:26 PM  

NeoCortex42: unlikely: hammer85: unlikely: NeoCortex42: Not necessarily. I'm still disappointed we only got a dozen episodes of The Middleman.

That was ABC Family. And canceling it was their worst decision in a decade or more.

I never thought I would see a discussion about The Middleman.  I miss that show :(

/will now return home to rewatch

I didn't find it till the 3rd episode had aired. I had to go back and watch the first two on DVD.
Have you watched the Comic Con table read, where they got the whole cast to read the script of the 13th episode?

I don't think I've seen the table-read, but I did pick up the comic of the 13th episode.  It's too bad ABC Family canned it before allowing the big finale.

I can't believe how re-watchable it is as a series.  There's enough references and jokes per episode, that I usually pick up something new each time through it.  It also had a just-about perfect cast.


I love love love THE MIDDLEMAN, but I have to make a contrary assertion:  I'm sort of glad it only went 12 episodes.
Had it gone on, it would have run out of steam and started to re-do jokes and run out of in-jokes to make.

That said:  I am truly sorry it didn't last long enough to start to suck.  Everyone in the cast was pitch-perfect, and
Natalie Morales was especially excellent (though she seems to not be able to catch a break in getting a regular series
gig ever since).  And Javier Grillo-whatever needs to get snapped up by some studio wanting to revamp their super
hero movie franchise (-cough-TimeWarner-cough-).

The show was so damn good I have to wonder what ABC Family was thinking when they green lit it.

www.blogcdn.com
 
2013-08-21 08:16:23 PM  
So am I now the only one who's a teensy bit worried about the quality of the show after watching those promos?  It looks super generic.

Like one of those awful Syfy shows; the Alphas/Eureka/W13 level stuff, right down to really one-dimensional characters (the wiseass hacker, the kung-fu chick, the by-the-book agent) and "freak of the week" episode plotting.

I assumed it would have something to do with superheroes, quite mistakenly, I guess?
 
2013-08-21 08:48:16 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: I love love love THE MIDDLEMAN, but I have to make a contrary assertion:  I'm sort of glad it only went 12 episodes.
Had it gone on, it would have run out of steam and started to re-do jokes and run out of in-jokes to make.


I think I would be happy if it simply had a full 26 episode season.  They could have easily filled that many episodes up without repeating themselves.  I sort of feel like the show was simply too good for ABC Family.  I don't think I've ever seen a show of the same quality put out by them before or since (not that I watch the channel that much).  I honestly don't know what network it would have had a better shot on.  NBC would have ruined it, Fox would have cancelled it even quicker.  It wouldn't fit with CBS.  ABC proper could have possible gotten it the attention it needed to survive.  I think the problem was that there were a lot of people like myself who didn't even know about the show until it was already cancelled.

Gunther: So am I now the only one who's a teensy bit worried about the quality of the show after watching those promos?  It looks super generic.

Like one of those awful Syfy shows; the Alphas/Eureka/W13 level stuff, right down to really one-dimensional characters (the wiseass hacker, the kung-fu chick, the by-the-book agent) and "freak of the week" episode plotting.

I assumed it would have something to do with superheroes, quite mistakenly, I guess?


I've been thinking the same thing since the first previews and cast listings.  It has the potential to be a great show, but I'm not sure if it will get there.  If it's just common SHIELD agents the entire time, it will feel really generic and probably get old pretty fast.  What the show would be best suited for is a showcase of B- and C-list superheroes and villains.  Get those characters that have no chance of headlining a major movie franchise and bring them to screen in a way that doesn't suck.  It's too bad they probably can't touch any mutants or Fantastic Four stuff yet.
 
2013-08-21 09:21:21 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: I am looking forward to this except for one thing:

I can't see how they can to an AGENTS OF SHIELD series without Nick Fury.

Let's face it:  at best, they might get SLJ for a brief cameo in the pilot (and judging from IMDB, they're not
even doing that).  Even if they could afford him, he'd be unwilling (and possibly unable: the man does have
a bad back) to do a regular TV series, and frankly Fury was always the best character in any SHIELD
related story.

If anyone can make it work without Fury as an active character, it would be Whedon, but he's got to work
pretty hard to convince me that he can do it.

Then again: maybe they'll get Keenan Ivory Wayans to pinch hit for SLJ.  He sure as hell needs the work,
and would look damn good in the eyepatch & black leather duster.


If it ever comes to that, they can introduce Nick Fury Jr. (real character).
 
2013-08-21 11:39:43 PM  
Why do people who write about this show feel the need to equate every character to a Buffy or Firefly reference. "They're the Willow of this show" -- No, they aren't. Stop it. Just because the same guy is producing/directing/writing it doesn't mean every show is going be some sort of spiritual successor to the last one he did.

That's why I liked The Avengers even though I dislike Firefly. His humor is present, but the characters in Avengers are not just Firefly characters painted a different color. Give the guy a LITTLE credit for being able to make a new project that stands apart from his previous works.
 
2013-08-22 12:30:10 AM  

NeoCortex42: DjangoStonereaver: I love love love THE MIDDLEMAN, but I have to make a contrary assertion:  I'm sort of glad it only went 12 episodes.
Had it gone on, it would have run out of steam and started to re-do jokes and run out of in-jokes to make.

I think I would be happy if it simply had a full 26 episode season.  They could have easily filled that many episodes up without repeating themselves.  I sort of feel like the show was simply too good for ABC Family.  I don't think I've ever seen a show of the same quality put out by them before or since (not that I watch the channel that much).  I honestly don't know what network it would have had a better shot on.  NBC would have ruined it, Fox would have cancelled it even quicker.  It wouldn't fit with CBS.  ABC proper could have possible gotten it the attention it needed to survive.  I think the problem was that there were a lot of people like myself who didn't even know about the show until it was already cancelled.

Gunther: So am I now the only one who's a teensy bit worried about the quality of the show after watching those promos?  It looks super generic.

Like one of those awful Syfy shows; the Alphas/Eureka/W13 level stuff, right down to really one-dimensional characters (the wiseass hacker, the kung-fu chick, the by-the-book agent) and "freak of the week" episode plotting.

I assumed it would have something to do with superheroes, quite mistakenly, I guess?

I've been thinking the same thing since the first previews and cast listings.  It has the potential to be a great show, but I'm not sure if it will get there.  If it's just common SHIELD agents the entire time, it will feel really generic and probably get old pretty fast.  What the show would be best suited for is a showcase of B- and C-list superheroes and villains.  Get those characters that have no chance of headlining a major movie franchise and bring them to screen in a way that doesn't suck.  It's too bad they probably can't touch any mutants or Fantastic ...


Im fine with Fox still having the X-men license, it gives Marvel breathing room to do lesser known properties without crowding things. I mean, if Marvel had the movie rights to everybody, and you do a movie where aliens invade New York... who do you call? The Avengers? The Fantastic 4? The X-men? Plus if they were doing X-men movies, do you think wed be seeing anything like a Guardians of the Galaxy movie? Or would they be working on Cable 2: Mary Sue Harder now. Mutants are just too much with how Marvels built their Cinematic Universe. And Hugh Jackman would probably be exhausted from having to be in every single movie.
 
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