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2013-08-21 09:03:55 AM
One of these headlines will make it.....one day....
 
2013-08-21 09:58:55 AM

basemetal: One of these headlines will make it.....one day....


I've got one in the hopper.  But to be honest I don't know if it lends much to the gun "debate."  These damaged, sick farks would find other ways to thrill kill.
 
2013-08-21 10:32:23 AM
Has Wayne Lapierre  announced yet that we need to arm all joggers?

/more guns!
 
2013-08-21 11:33:56 AM
Running in Kevlar is going to suck if you live where it is hot.
 
2013-08-21 11:36:20 AM
Well, at least this time it was two black guys and a white guy.  Nice to see the races working together for a change.
 
2013-08-21 11:36:25 AM
Quick, we need to know - what political party do they belong to?
 
2013-08-21 11:36:25 AM
35 years ago, this could have been Obama.
 
2013-08-21 11:37:20 AM

clancifer: Has Wayne Lapierre  announced yet that we need to arm all joggers?

/more guns!


Rick Perry already showed them how it's done.
 
2013-08-21 11:38:05 AM

basemetal: One of these headlines will make it.....one day....


My headline was way better yesterday.
 
2013-08-21 11:38:52 AM
In cases like these, I think we need to tie those involved down in the town square, and let nature take its course.  If people want to come by and beat them with sticks, that's fine.  If the town chooses to let them die of thirst or starvation, that's fine too.
 
2013-08-21 11:39:03 AM
Did it because they were bored?

Lock them up in a off-white room alone for 23 hours a day for the next 20 years.
 
2013-08-21 11:39:41 AM
I'm betting the gun was black.
 
2013-08-21 11:39:59 AM

AngryDragon: Well, at least this time it was two black guys and a white guy.  Nice to see the races working together for a change.


I was going to ask the race of the 3 kids before I picked white kids go with A kids in the 1920-50s b black kids c
 
2013-08-21 11:40:41 AM
I hope this doesn't turn into a kangaroo court.
 
2013-08-21 11:41:06 AM
Surely the department of justice is going to investigate to determine if this was a hate crime.

Why it is that anytime there is a black victim and white perpetrator (or Hispanic...close enough, right?) the 'black community' gets fired up, the media gets fired up, politicians get fired up...but switch the races and all of a sudden it is 'a tragedy for everyone involved'; now we need to try to understand how such sweet and loving kids could commit such an unspeakable crime.
 
2013-08-21 11:41:08 AM
They won't be bored from now on.  I'm pretty sure they will have a lifetime of fun playing "keep away from my ass" in prison.
 
2013-08-21 11:41:48 AM

WhyKnot: Surely the department of justice is going to investigate to determine if this was a hate crime.


If it was a cyclist I might agree about the hate crime. Most people don't hate runners with the same passion.
 
2013-08-21 11:45:06 AM
This dude is 16?  Damn.

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2013-08-21 11:45:20 AM
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Sounds like a bunch of natural born killers.
 
2013-08-21 11:46:05 AM
I m guessing the victim was wearing a hoodie
 
2013-08-21 11:47:49 AM

farkingismybusiness: 35 years ago, this could have been Obama.


You laugh, but if Obama had a white Australian son, he would've looked just like that guy...
 
2013-08-21 11:48:08 AM
America: The America of America.
 
2013-08-21 11:48:43 AM
Just an innocent white guy shot in the back for no reason by three back guys. Nothing to see here. I'm sure he deserved due to "white privilege" or something. If you say otherwise you are just as racist as the victim.
 
2013-08-21 11:49:35 AM
So they shot a guy just to watch him die.

...Did this happen in Reno, by any chance?
 
2013-08-21 11:51:15 AM
Funny how Jesse Jackson or Al Sharp will not even make a comment on this. Killed a kid just because they were bored, really? This kinda crap the media needs to firestorm and put on every english speaking newspaper. Killed a kid because they were BORED.
This is why I hate society, Headlines focus more about the pretty little intern who lost her foot in New York or the NAACP whining about the laws they want to change down in Florida. What other garbage do we have in the news today? Syria blah blah we've known that for months now.

Take away race from this headline, Kids killed a guy because they were farking bored..... the worst part about it is, if it were two white kids that killed a black kid, NAACP, Jesse and Sharp would be all over it, spamming every headline and rioting up a new campaign to bring in money.

Fact is its about money and this headline does NOTHING to generate it for anyone. Farking sick of society.
 
2013-08-21 11:51:52 AM
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Damn, that is an ugly kid.

Reminds me of this.

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2013-08-21 11:53:13 AM

Misconduc: Funny how Jesse Jackson or Al Sharp will not even make a comment on this. Killed a kid just because they were bored, really? This kinda crap the media needs to firestorm and put on every english speaking newspaper. Killed a kid because they were BORED.
This is why I hate society, Headlines focus more about the pretty little intern who lost her foot in New York or the NAACP whining about the laws they want to change down in Florida. What other garbage do we have in the news today? Syria blah blah we've known that for months now.

Take away race from this headline, Kids killed a guy because they were farking bored..... the worst part about it is, if it were two white kids that killed a black kid, NAACP, Jesse and Sharp would be all over it, spamming every headline and rioting up a new campaign to bring in money.

Fact is its about money and this headline does NOTHING to generate it for anyone. Farking sick of society.


Its ok, they did it for Trayvon
 
2013-08-21 11:53:45 AM

Firethorn: Did it because they were bored?

Lock them up in a off-white room alone for 23 hours a day for the next 20 years.


Yeah, I bet they get a lot less than Mannings 35 years.
 
2013-08-21 11:54:16 AM
The sickest part about this whole thing is that Odumbo is willing to make a speech and a nonsensical plea about a justified killing of a black male by a mexican male, but could not care less about this.
 
2013-08-21 11:56:28 AM

OKObserver: They won't be bored from now on.  I'm pretty sure they will have a lifetime of fun playing "keep away from my ass" in prison.


Yeah, these boys are finally going to get the chance to join a gang......
 
2013-08-21 11:58:45 AM

AngryDragon: Well, at least this time it was two black guys and a white guy.  Nice to see the races working together for a change.


Nope, the "white" kid is mixed. BetterLink

Here's Michael Dewayne Johnson's dad:

resources1.news.com.au

So Michael could be Obama, 30 years ago.
 
2013-08-21 11:58:56 AM
Saw a video interview with the mother of one of the 3 perps (2 black, 1 white, btw). "I know in my heart he couldn't have done this".

But also said they were in a 'wanna-be' gang.  I think she can drop the 'wanna-be' part now.
 
2013-08-21 11:59:16 AM
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Fine lads.
 
2013-08-21 12:03:15 PM
Society is going to hell in a handbasket ever since David Lee Roth left Van Halen......
 
2013-08-21 12:04:14 PM
For fark's sakes, what a depressing story.
 
2013-08-21 12:04:40 PM

kortex: The sickest part about this whole thing is that Odumbo is willing to make a speech and a nonsensical plea about a justified killing of a black male by a mexican male, but could not care less about this.


Really? That's the sickest part?  I pity you.
 
2013-08-21 12:05:52 PM
He we go again. More riots, threats, made up race designations, marches, false outrage, community organizing etc.
What, nothing from reverend al and the other race baiters?! Well, maybe barry will be making a speech about how this could've been him as a bored teenager or an innocent jogger or whatever just to make it about him. Huh, nothing from Americas head narcissist either?! Probably any minute now the super racist DOJ will be launching an investigation. The news organizations will be all over this like white on rice. Full coverage, much discussion and many hours of airtime right?! Or is it about those evil guns this time?
 
2013-08-21 12:07:31 PM
Clarence Darrow seen packing up his briefcase, heading to the courthouse.
 
2013-08-21 12:08:11 PM
A black man takes a white girl home from a nightclub. She says, "Show me it's true what they say about black men."

So he stabs her and steals her purse.
 
2013-08-21 12:08:44 PM

WhyKnot: Why it is that anytime there is a black victim and white perpetrator (or Hispanic...close enough, right?) the 'black community' gets fired up, the media gets fired up, politicians get fired up...but switch the races and all of a sudden it is 'a tragedy for everyone involved'; now we need to try to understand how such sweet and loving kids could commit such an unspeakable crime.


Things like the Trayvon Martin killing, stop and frisk, etc. follow archetypal pattern of discrimination and oppression. Seeing a young black man as a walking incarnation of danger, and overreacting to that impulse, is a depressingly common incident in American history. So people get very touchy when a news event occurs that might fit that pattern, even if they do end up being wrong sometimes. Ask a black friend about this sometime - they can explain better than I can.

There's not as much of an established racist pattern to the flip-side of those incidents. White people are *definitely* not oppressed by the system; although they are targeted from time to time by jackass racist criminals, and although the media does occasionally pussyfoot around black-on-white hate crimes to annoying effect, it is not even close to the epidemic the Stormfront fanboys would have you believe.

Also, one of the murderers in this case was actually a white kid, which some of the racist agenda-pushers are aggressively ignoring. That matters too.
 
2013-08-21 12:08:56 PM
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Warm 'em up, Chris.
 
2013-08-21 12:11:52 PM
Who will win the thread? The "racists" who point out that two (or three, that's a weird looking kid?) of the perps were black or the "gun-grabbers" who point out that without guns this would be much less likely to happen?

/they're both correct
 
2013-08-21 12:11:57 PM
Sorry, I won't be convinced until a jury is.  There are just too many examples of cops sweating a young kid into admitting something it turns out later they didn't do.  Speaking as a conservative, of course.
 
2013-08-21 12:12:21 PM

Inchoate: Also, one of the murderers in this case was actually a white kid, which some of the racist agenda-pushers are aggressively ignoring. That matters too.


If that dude actually is black I'll retract that statement, but the rest stands.
 
2013-08-21 12:13:29 PM

Galloping Galoshes: Sorry, I won't be convinced until a jury is.  There are just too many examples of cops sweating a young kid into admitting something it turns out later they didn't do.  Speaking as a conservative, of course.


Yea, there might be a perfectly justifiable reason they shot that guy right? Maybe he was running right at them.
 
2013-08-21 12:13:41 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: [img.fark.net image 650x366]

Fine lads.



WTF, show pictures of them when they were 12!!!  How am I supposed to be enraged about the injustice of the evil white people beating down on a couple of 5 years old out for some lolilpops.
 
2013-08-21 12:14:35 PM
So we need to get a group of people in jogging sweats, and a baseball cap with pictures of Chris Lane saying "I am Chris Lane" and get the media to cover it.
 
2013-08-21 12:14:50 PM
I thought it was sad they had to put bulletproof glass around Obama when he got inaugurated.

I mean, just because he's black doesn't mean he's going to shoot anyone.
 
2013-08-21 12:15:42 PM
Hug a thug
 
2013-08-21 12:15:59 PM

Galloping Galoshes: Sorry, I won't be convinced until a jury is.  There are just too many examples of cops sweating a young kid into admitting something it turns out later they didn't do.  Speaking as a conservative, of course.


Like the guys involved in that Central Park rape incident from a couple of decades back.
 
2013-08-21 12:16:17 PM
For every Trayvon Martin incident, there are 17 crimes like this one. The media completely ignores most of them. The only reason we heard a word about this is because the victim was somewhat well-known as an athlete.


Next time you read some boo hoo jerk off piece about how much is sucks to when people look at you suspiciously, remember this story.

This is the normal, not the other way around.
 
2013-08-21 12:16:34 PM

Okieboy: Society is going to hell in a handbasket ever since David Lee Roth left Van Halen......


...you may be onto something...
 
2013-08-21 12:18:38 PM
Why other people from other countries don't avoid this shiathole of a country like its radioactive is beyond me.  Treat us like Europa, attempt no landing here. Avoid or die.
 
2013-08-21 12:18:41 PM
The victim was Australian. I always feel more embarrassed when the murder victim is a non-American who was just visiting or in this case, just a student. Like if we are going to keep killing each other, keep it in-house. Don't bring strangers into it. God knows the world thinks we are just trigger happy savages. This just proves it double fold.
 
2013-08-21 12:19:02 PM

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: AngryDragon: Well, at least this time it was two black guys and a white guy.  Nice to see the races working together for a change.

Nope, the "white" kid is mixed. BetterLink

Here's Michael Dewayne Johnson's dad:

[resources1.news.com.au image 650x366]

So Michael could be Obama, 30 years ago.


I'm going to assume that you are just stupid, and not purposefully confusing things to prove that the "white" kid isn't actually "white". The picture that you posted is of James Johnson, the father of another possible target of the three killers. The "white" killer's name is Michael Dewayne Jones.
 
2013-08-21 12:19:40 PM

Magnanimous_J: For every Trayvon Martin incident, there are 17 crimes like this one. The media completely ignores most of them. The only reason we heard a word about this is because the victim was somewhat well-known as an athlete.


Next time you read some boo hoo jerk off piece about how much is sucks to when people look at you suspiciously, remember this story.

This is the normal, not the other way around.



This.
 
2013-08-21 12:21:06 PM
Where is George Z when you need him?
 
2013-08-21 12:22:53 PM
To the people equating this to Trayvon Martin - are you trolling, or are you really that obtuse? The outrage over that incident was because of the fact that GZ got away with it, and that he wasn't even arrested at first.  People saw it as a miscarriage of justice, not "oh noes, innocent blacks are being attacked by whites/hispanics, ZOMG!!!1!"

A white kid getting killed by 3 black kids for fun is horrible, tragic, and meaningless, but it isn't remotely the same thing.  There is absolutely zero chance that these 3 kids get away with this.
 
2013-08-21 12:23:19 PM
Too bad parents aren't liable for the actions of their kids.
 
2013-08-21 12:24:33 PM
Who will win the thread? The "racists" who point out that two (or three, that's a weird looking kid?) of the perps were black or the "gun-grabbers" who point out that without guns this would be much less likely to happen?
/they're both correct


My money's on the self-righteous, indignant, finger pointers
 
2013-08-21 12:24:56 PM

porcupine tree: Where is George Z when you need him?


Probably switching to DirectTV.

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2013-08-21 12:25:55 PM

mouse fitzgerald: To the people equating this to Trayvon Martin - are you trolling, or are you really that obtuse? The outrage over that incident was because of the fact that GZ got away with it, and that he wasn't even arrested at first.  People saw it as a miscarriage of justice, not "oh noes, innocent blacks are being attacked by whites/hispanics, ZOMG!!!1!"

A white kid getting killed by 3 black kids for fun is horrible, tragic, and meaningless, but it isn't remotely the same thing.  There is absolutely zero chance that these 3 kids get away with this.


Bingo!

The only thing the two stories have in common is that someone was shot and killed. That's it.
 
2013-08-21 12:26:19 PM

porcupine tree: Where is George Z when you need him?


We had a flyer on our door the other day that said something to the effect of "there have been a string of armed robberies and burglaries over the past few weeks in the surrounding neighborhoods" and I immediately thought of George.  The weird thing is I actually am concerned and will probably call the police if there is anyone I don't recognize, but I don't think I'll go out patrolling myself.  Who needs that shiat?
 
2013-08-21 12:27:47 PM

mekki: mouse fitzgerald: To the people equating this to Trayvon Martin - are you trolling, or are you really that obtuse? The outrage over that incident was because of the fact that GZ got away with it, and that he wasn't even arrested at first.  People saw it as a miscarriage of justice, not "oh noes, innocent blacks are being attacked by whites/hispanics, ZOMG!!!1!"

A white kid getting killed by 3 black kids for fun is horrible, tragic, and meaningless, but it isn't remotely the same thing.  There is absolutely zero chance that these 3 kids get away with this.

Bingo!

The only thing the two stories have in common is that someone was shot and killed. That's it.


To be fair, they both had wanna be badasses, only this time the wrong person got shot.
 
2013-08-21 12:28:18 PM
Oh right, I forgot how it works for FarkRacists.

Black perp: "This just goes to show that those black thugs are all violent and dangerous and our country needs to kick them all out before they systematically genocide the whiteys"
White perp: "This just goes to show that some people are irretrievably broken. I feel sorry for the victims."
 
2013-08-21 12:29:02 PM

Latinwolf: Galloping Galoshes: Sorry, I won't be convinced until a jury is.  There are just too many examples of cops sweating a young kid into admitting something it turns out later they didn't do.  Speaking as a conservative, of course.

Like the guys involved in that Central Park rape incident from a couple of decades back.


Plenty of examples.  Outraged populis, pressure on cops to solve, "highly motivated" questioning for hours without breaks.  I'm sorry people haven't learned their lesson that just because the cops make an arrest, it doesn't mean they got the right guys.  DNA tests are showing that, what, about 50% of death penalty cases got the wrong guy?  That's why the Innocence Project is so important.  That's also why, even though I'm conservative, I don't support capital punishment, because the system is so bad at getting it right.
 
2013-08-21 12:29:03 PM
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When an innocent Australian student is shot dead in Oklahoma for 'fun' - America's gun crisis becomes the world's problem.

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/statuses/370029109721575426" 11:46 PM - 20 Aug 2013Uh no Piers - that's not it.  What will work without disarming innocent law-abiding citizens is executing people who commit crimes like this instead of letting them live, because they don't deserve to live.  Seriously, WFT benefit are these three going to be to society?
 
2013-08-21 12:31:44 PM
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That dude is tiny.  He is about 5'3 and a half.  Would that make him a spinner in prison?
 
2013-08-21 12:32:18 PM

Inchoate: WhyKnot: Why it is that anytime there is a black victim and white perpetrator (or Hispanic...close enough, right?) the 'black community' gets fired up, the media gets fired up, politicians get fired up...but switch the races and all of a sudden it is 'a tragedy for everyone involved'; now we need to try to understand how such sweet and loving kids could commit such an unspeakable crime.

Things like the Trayvon Martin killing, stop and frisk, etc. follow archetypal pattern of discrimination and oppression. Seeing a young black man as a walking incarnation of danger, and overreacting to that impulse, is a depressingly common incident in American history. So people get very touchy when a news event occurs that might fit that pattern, even if they do end up being wrong sometimes. Ask a black friend about this sometime - they can explain better than I can.

There's not as much of an established racist pattern to the flip-side of those incidents. White people are *definitely* not oppressed by the system; although they are targeted from time to time by jackass racist criminals, and although the media does occasionally pussyfoot around black-on-white hate crimes to annoying effect, it is not even close to the epidemic the Stormfront fanboys would have you believe.

Also, one of the murderers in this case was actually a white kid, which some of the racist agenda-pushers are aggressively ignoring. That matters too.


So three black men actually becoming the "walking incarnation of danger", thereby perpetuating the stereotype should get MORE outrage. not less.

And as has been pointed out to me, the "white kid" is as white as Zimmerman was.
 
2013-08-21 12:32:57 PM

wingding: Hug a thug


Only if it happened in Maryland.
 
2013-08-21 12:34:56 PM
Glad to see that AZ has the death penalty.  Let's hope they use it.
 
2013-08-21 12:36:15 PM
Three Trayvons see a white kid running down the street...
 
2013-08-21 12:36:27 PM

Carth: Galloping Galoshes: Sorry, I won't be convinced until a jury is.  There are just too many examples of cops sweating a young kid into admitting something it turns out later they didn't do.  Speaking as a conservative, of course.

Yea, there might be a perfectly justifiable reason they shot that guy right? Maybe he was running right at them.


backwards
 
2013-08-21 12:37:11 PM

Cold_Sassy: Glad to see that AZ has the death penalty.  Let's hope they use it.


Oklahoma might have something to say about that.
 
2013-08-21 12:41:38 PM
This isn't about guns. This is about lack of family structure, lack of fathers for boys, parents that are either too busy or don't give a shiat. When you pop out little humans, somebody needs to provide them a wealth of love, attention and guidance. I don't think that happens very much anymore. So we get little psychopaths that could have also jumped the guy and beat him to death with rocks.

Guns don't kill, people do. Society is sick. And btw, the black community has plenty of work to do to with their young men, and the billionaire entertainers can maybe stop throwing the slutty biatch and N words around. They don't even live in the same world you do, but you end up suffering for it.
 
2013-08-21 12:43:39 PM

AngryDragon: So three black men actually becoming the "walking incarnation of danger", thereby perpetuating the stereotype should get MORE outrage. not less.


...I'm sorry if I incorrectly assumed you had black friends able and willing to talk to you about this. But I hope you do. Politely ask, and listen.

The issue of criminality among young, lower-class black men is not something that black people are magically unaware of, or something lots aren't outraged by. It's also not something they're required to individually offer atonement for, just like you are not obligated to apologize for Holmes or Lanza if you're white.
 
2013-08-21 12:43:58 PM

Witness99: This isn't about guns. This is about lack of family structure, lack of fathers for boys, parents that are either too busy or don't give a shiat. When you pop out little humans, somebody needs to provide them a wealth of love, attention and guidance. I don't think that happens very much anymore. So we get little psychopaths that could have also jumped the guy and beat him to death with rocks.

Guns don't kill, people do. Society is sick. And btw, the black community has plenty of work to do to with their young men, and the billionaire entertainers can maybe stop throwing the slutty biatch and N words around. They don't even live in the same world you do, but you end up suffering for it.


Caution:  Reasonable typing detected.
 
2013-08-21 12:44:15 PM

Witness99: This isn't about guns. This is about lack of family structure, lack of fathers for boys, parents that are either too busy or don't give a shiat. When you pop out little humans, somebody needs to provide them a wealth of love, attention and guidance. I don't think that happens very much anymore. So we get little psychopaths that could have also jumped the guy and beat him to death with rocks.


That is what happens when you don't offer comprehensive sex education, stigmatize and make it difficult to obtain abortions and don't provide new parent counseling to new parents on how to raise children.
 
2013-08-21 12:47:18 PM
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$100, a plaid shirt, and a busted iPhone.  Now THAT'S gangsta.
 
2013-08-21 12:47:51 PM

Galloping Galoshes: Latinwolf: Galloping Galoshes: Sorry, I won't be convinced until a jury is.  There are just too many examples of cops sweating a young kid into admitting something it turns out later they didn't do.  Speaking as a conservative, of course.

Like the guys involved in that Central Park rape incident from a couple of decades back.

Plenty of examples.  Outraged populis, pressure on cops to solve, "highly motivated" questioning for hours without breaks.  I'm sorry people haven't learned their lesson that just because the cops make an arrest, it doesn't mean they got the right guys.  DNA tests are showing that, what, about 50% of death penalty cases got the wrong guy?  That's why the Innocence Project is so important.  That's also why, even though I'm conservative, I don't support capital punishment, because the system is so bad at getting it right.


It's actually about 2 - 5 percent of people on death row.  Rape exonerations have seen rates as high as 9 percent in some areas though.  We definitely don't always "get it right", but your guess was a bit off.
 
2013-08-21 12:48:10 PM

Cold_Sassy: Glad to see that AZ OKlahome has the death penalty.  Let's hope they use it.


Oops!  Fixed.
 
2013-08-21 12:48:29 PM
Forgot the LINK
 
2013-08-21 12:48:47 PM
Christopher Lane = Trayvon Martin, both victims of a senseless act, murdered.

However Zimmerman is not = to these three f**tards...

Wether he was trying to be the big hero neighborhood cop, or just trying to keep his neighborhood safe, he was not out looking to murder someone for fun.

People like these three should, and all drive by gang related shooters who kill as well as organized crime types who kill at random, should be put down. Same thing, those who kill innocent people by random gun violence should honestly be looking right at murder 1, premeditated as they wanted to kill, and the judgement should be final.

Just because they did not know the target means little to me as their intentions result in the murder of someone. This goes for al gang and crime shootings where people are killed. Reckless gunplay resulting in death should carry the same penalty as hunting someone down and killing them. I don't care if it is gang, mafia, mob, militia...    it is all the same, someone innocent dies because of a very conscious and planned act, though the target may not be the initial target desired.

Something like this is sick. Even sicker as people try to get their tags and righteous indignation to back up political stances. Lots of trolls...
 
2013-08-21 12:49:09 PM

dr.zaeus: [i.imgur.com image 669x727]

$100, a plaid shirt, and a busted iPhone.  Now THAT'S gangsta.


It is clearly a gingham shirt.
 
2013-08-21 12:53:13 PM

Carth: That is what happens when you don't offer comprehensive sex education, stigmatize and make it difficult to obtain abortions and don't provide new parent counseling to new parents on how to raise children.


That's part of it.
Media circuses surrounding every shooter-who-snapped case.
Distant and laissez-faire parents.
Easy access to weapons.
Poor access to mental health services; poor coordination between services.
Glorification of selfishness, violence and immediacy (this is a many-headed hydra, not something pat and moral-panicky like a certain kind of media).

So many things could contribute to the idea in a young man's head that whipping out a gun and ending lives is a realistic option when bored, depressed, etc. Failsafes of society and situation make most people's minds consider the murder option preposterous. In so many cases, they are not working or were never there.
 
2013-08-21 12:53:35 PM

Turfshoe: Cold_Sassy: Glad to see that AZ has the death penalty.  Let's hope they use it.

Oklahoma might have something to say about that.


AZ: *steps in and executes suspects*

OK: Yo wtf, homes? We was gonna have a trial n shiat!

AZ: Oh. Um, my bad.
 
2013-08-21 12:53:40 PM
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$100, a plaid shirt, and a busted iPhone.  Now THAT'S gangsta.


You forgot his 'thug' pose!
 
2013-08-21 12:54:39 PM

Inchoate: AngryDragon: So three black men actually becoming the "walking incarnation of danger", thereby perpetuating the stereotype should get MORE outrage. not less.

...I'm sorry if I incorrectly assumed you had black friends able and willing to talk to you about this. But I hope you do. Politely ask, and listen.

The issue of criminality among young, lower-class black men is not something that black people are magically unaware of, or something lots aren't outraged by. It's also not something they're required to individually offer atonement for, just like you are not obligated to apologize for Holmes or Lanza if you're white.


I'll ask my black girlfriend tonight and we discuss it all the time.

It's not a question of apologizing for anything.  It's an issue of DOING something about it.  The amount of apathy when it comes to dealing with the issues of family structure, culture, and deification of gang violence in the black community is staggering.  Sharpton, et. al. can get their feathers ruffled for "racism" but when there is an obvious and egregious event like this, silence.

You want to know why?  Because any black public figure who criticizes the accepted approaches to single family homes, gang culture, poverty, crime, education etc. for young African-Americans is instantly demonized by both the black and white communities.  It's disgusting.  What we are doing isn't working.  We need another MLK.
 
2013-08-21 12:56:21 PM

Carth: Witness99: This isn't about guns. This is about lack of family structure, lack of fathers for boys, parents that are either too busy or don't give a shiat. When you pop out little humans, somebody needs to provide them a wealth of love, attention and guidance. I don't think that happens very much anymore. So we get little psychopaths that could have also jumped the guy and beat him to death with rocks.

That is what happens when you don't offer comprehensive sex education, stigmatize and make it difficult to obtain abortions and don't provide new parent counseling to new parents on how to raise children.



You know that stuff hasn't been provided by governments throughout human history.
 
2013-08-21 01:03:39 PM

Magnanimous_J: For every Trayvon Martin incident, there are 17 crimes like this one. The media completely ignores most of them. The only reason we heard a word about this is because the victim was somewhat well-known as an athlete.


Next time you read some boo hoo jerk off piece about how much is sucks to when people look at you suspiciously, remember this story.

This is the normal, not the other way around.


The ratio is more like 1:100
 
2013-08-21 01:05:24 PM
Mod's working overtime? Seems a lot of comments are disappearing.
 
2013-08-21 01:06:45 PM

Inchoate: just like you are not obligated to apologize for Holmes or Lanza if you're white.


I don't think they should have to apologize for George Russell Jr (serial killer), or John Allen Muhammad (DC sniper). Some people are just defective and that can come from any family or community on the planet at any time in history. No one can control that.

This, however, is not likely the case. This is the result of broken families, poor parenting, and a toxic culture based on disrespect of others to the benefit of yourself. No one seems to want to address this beyond, "we know it goes on and we don't like it either."
 
2013-08-21 01:07:48 PM

Abuse Liability: 's actually about 2 - 5 percent of people on death row. Rape exonerations have seen rates as high as 9 percent in some areas though. We definitely don't always "get it right", but your guess was a bit off.


That's the absolute number, deeply biased by the difficulty in obtaining testing.  What's the number among those that actually get tested?

From the Innocence Project website:
"For convicts who filed for appeal or contested their ruling before getting DNA test results, there was a 14 percent reversal rate. That's identical to the reversal rate for rape and murder cases in general."  The point being that judges are resistant to reversals even when the accused is demonstrably innocent.

"As if that weren't depressing enough, convicts struggle to be released even after DNA testing - which is unbelievably difficult to attain in the first place. Twelve convicts in Garrett's sample were not granted relief by appellate courts even after preliminary DNA evidence established innocence. Forty-one convicts were only freed after an executive pardon, because there was no judicial forum for relief. "
 
2013-08-21 01:09:20 PM
Cold_Sassy:   What will work without disarming innocent law-abiding citizens is executing people who commit crimes like this instead of letting them live, because they don't deserve to live.  Seriously, WFT benefit are these three going to be to society?

First let's prove they're guilty, and not just getting railroaded.
 
2013-08-21 01:10:56 PM
Meanwhile, Ebony releases 4 different covers in September. What a pity party. Collect all 4!

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Shouldn't white people be able to commemorate the victims of black on white crime?
 
2013-08-21 01:14:57 PM

Vectron: Meanwhile, Ebony releases 4 different covers in September. What a pity party. Collect all 4!

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Shouldn't white people be able to commemorate the victims of black on white crime?


Only if you want a discussion with Eric Holder.
 
2013-08-21 01:17:46 PM
Sigh.  At least there aren't that many comments in this thread.
 
2013-08-21 01:18:26 PM
Jennifer Luna, whose son is suspected of firing the fatal shot, claimed her son was at home saying: "My son is not that way. My son is a good kid."

You can't make this shiat up.
 
2013-08-21 01:19:05 PM

Vectron: Shouldn't white people be able to commemorate the victims of black on white crime?



Absolutely. I think you should get right on that.
 
2013-08-21 01:19:39 PM

mouse fitzgerald: To the people equating this to Trayvon Martin - are you trolling, or are you really that obtuse? ...

...A white kid getting killed by 3 black kids for fun is horrible, tragic, and meaningless, but it isn't remotely the same thing. There is absolutely zero chance that these 3 kids get away with this.


Had he been on a cell phone with his "girlfriend" and told her, "I'm being followed by three creepy-ass attractive, yada, yada, yada..."), the outcry would be deafening. Sharpie and Jackson would be on red-eye flights straight to fundraisers and wherever there are cameras within 50 miles of the still-drying blood stain, making excuses about how their actions were mitigated by "black rage", etc.
 
2013-08-21 01:21:03 PM

Vectron: Shouldn't white people be able to commemorate the victims of black on white crime?



What are you?  Some kind of racist?
 
2013-08-21 01:21:04 PM
porcupine tree: Where is George Z when you need him?


Why would you need him? I was told, repeatedly, that Zimmerman was not a vigilante. He was simply a victim of an assault who protected himself. Was I lied to...?
 
2013-08-21 01:24:21 PM

stamped human bacon: Too bad parents aren't liable for the actions of their kids.


This story (submitted and rejected) bears some similarity, at least in regard to thrill killing kids.  And the father of one is being charged.
 
2013-08-21 01:26:04 PM

I Browse: porcupine tree: Where is George Z when you need him?


Why would you need him? I was told, repeatedly, that Zimmerman was not a vigilante. He was simply a victim of an assault who protected himself. Was I lied to...?


Only by certain news outlets.  He wasn't "standing his ground" either; straight case of self defense.
BTW, I'm defending these three kids until I see some actual evidence of their guilt that doesn't come from an hours-long interrogation without counsel.  And even then I'll be very suspicious.  This case has all the hallmarks of a community rushing to judgement and a police force willing to oblige.
 
2013-08-21 01:28:21 PM

Galloping Galoshes: I Browse: porcupine tree: Where is George Z when you need him?


Why would you need him? I was told, repeatedly, that Zimmerman was not a vigilante. He was simply a victim of an assault who protected himself. Was I lied to...?

Only by certain news outlets.  He wasn't "standing his ground" either; straight case of self defense.
BTW, I'm defending these three kids until I see some actual evidence of their guilt that doesn't come from an hours-long interrogation without counsel.  And even then I'll be very suspicious.  This case has all the hallmarks of a community rushing to judgement and a police force willing to oblige.


Normally I'd do the same except for the part where one confessed to doing for the funsies... It's true that could have been coerced, but I'm leaning toward guilty and would be happy to change my mind in light of new evidence.  Just a weird choice of words.
 
2013-08-21 01:34:38 PM

Abuse Liability: Galloping Galoshes: I Browse: porcupine tree: Where is George Z when you need him?


Why would you need him? I was told, repeatedly, that Zimmerman was not a vigilante. He was simply a victim of an assault who protected himself. Was I lied to...?

Only by certain news outlets.  He wasn't "standing his ground" either; straight case of self defense.
BTW, I'm defending these three kids until I see some actual evidence of their guilt that doesn't come from an hours-long interrogation without counsel.  And even then I'll be very suspicious.  This case has all the hallmarks of a community rushing to judgement and a police force willing to oblige.

Normally I'd do the same except for the part where one confessed to doing for the funsies... It's true that could have been coerced, but I'm leaning toward guilty and would be happy to change my mind in light of new evidence.  Just a weird choice of words.


From the Innocence Project:

False confessions and incriminating statements lead to wrongful convictions in approximately 25 percent of cases. [That's 25% of the studied reversals, not 25% of all cases - my note] 29 of the DNA exonerees http://www.innocenceproject.org/guiltyplea">pled guilty to crimes they did not commit. The Innocence Project encourages police departments to electronically record all custodial interrogations in their entirety in order to prevent coercion and to provide an accurate record of the proceedings.

Way too many cases of false confessions for me to be satisfied with just that.  Not saying they didn't do it, I just don't have much faith in our legal system or in the journalism business to get things right.
 
2013-08-21 01:36:14 PM
Galloping Galoshes:

BTW, I'm defending these three kids until I see some actual evidence of their guilt that doesn't come from an hours-long interrogation without counsel.  And even then I'll be very suspicious.  This case has all the hallmarks of a community rushing to judgement and a police force willing to oblige.


Then I respect your consistency. I've noticed that many of those who defended Zimmerman don't seem to give other defendants accused of crimes the same "innocent until proven guilty" leeway. Every case is different obviously, but still...it seems prudent to wait until all the evidence is in before rushing to judgment. I had hoped the Zimmerman case would've proven that.
 
2013-08-21 01:37:09 PM

GanjSmokr: Vectron: Shouldn't white people be able to commemorate the victims of black on white crime?


What are you?  Some kind of racist?


He's the Farker that claimed high living standards are related to the area being a "whitetopia" and provided a link for interested white Farkers to find said local whitetopias. You tell me if the guy is some kind of racist.
 
2013-08-21 01:38:04 PM

Carth: dr.zaeus: [i.imgur.com image 669x727]

$100, a plaid shirt, and a busted iPhone.  Now THAT'S gangsta.

It is clearly a gingham shirt.


www.trollmystic.com

Gingham Style
 
2013-08-21 01:41:50 PM

Galloping Galoshes: This case has all the hallmarks of a community rushing to judgement and a police force willing to oblige.


Why do you think that? Is it because it was solved quickly? Because most murders that occur in competently policed areas are solved quickly.
 
2013-08-21 01:42:36 PM

Carth: Witness99: This isn't about guns. This is about lack of family structure, lack of fathers for boys, parents that are either too busy or don't give a shiat. When you pop out little humans, somebody needs to provide them a wealth of love, attention and guidance. I don't think that happens very much anymore. So we get little psychopaths that could have also jumped the guy and beat him to death with rocks.

That is what happens when you don't offer comprehensive sex education, stigmatize and make it difficult to obtain abortions and don't provide new parent counseling to new parents on how to raise children.


I was a poor kid. I was raised by a single mom who worked three jobs (waitress, cocktail waitress, stripper in a bowling alley).

I still put myself through college, and never once did I ever want to hurt an innocent jogger.

What is wrong, when a teen wants to kill out of boredom?
 
2013-08-21 01:50:42 PM

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Warm 'em up, Chris.


I'm no "string 'em up," pro-capital punishment person most of the time, but in this case I have to say: give all three the needle and rid society of some of its waste.
 
2013-08-21 01:52:09 PM

I Browse: Galloping Galoshes:

BTW, I'm defending these three kids until I see some actual evidence of their guilt that doesn't come from an hours-long interrogation without counsel.  And even then I'll be very suspicious.  This case has all the hallmarks of a community rushing to judgement and a police force willing to oblige.


Then I respect your consistency. I've noticed that many of those who defended Zimmerman don't seem to give other defendants accused of crimes the same "innocent until proven guilty" leeway. Every case is different obviously, but still...it seems prudent to wait until all the evidence is in before rushing to judgment. I had hoped the Zimmerman case would've proven that.


I find that pre-judging just gives us something to do.  So long as your mind is flexible to new data and interpretation, you can continually update what you believe to be true.  After all, I entered the Zimmerman thread with the "We need more details, but it seems like he's guilty of at least negligent homicide."  I quickly amended that judgement upon hearing witness statements and forensic evidence.  There's a reason we don't hang people as soon as we catch them anymore.  Due process is important, but people are always going to have an initial opinion, based on what little evidence may be available.
 
2013-08-21 01:53:12 PM

Witness99: Carth: Witness99: This isn't about guns. This is about lack of family structure, lack of fathers for boys, parents that are either too busy or don't give a shiat. When you pop out little humans, somebody needs to provide them a wealth of love, attention and guidance. I don't think that happens very much anymore. So we get little psychopaths that could have also jumped the guy and beat him to death with rocks.

That is what happens when you don't offer comprehensive sex education, stigmatize and make it difficult to obtain abortions and don't provide new parent counseling to new parents on how to raise children.

I was a poor kid. I was raised by a single mom who worked three jobs (waitress, cocktail waitress, stripper in a bowling alley).

I still put myself through college, and never once did I ever want to hurt an innocent jogger.

What is wrong, when a teen wants to kill out of boredom?


You probably (hopefully) had a single mom who loved you and taught you about things like empathy and morality. You don't need to be rich to raise a kid well but you have to be interested in raising them and make sure they learn important life lessons like "don't shoot people because you're bored"
 
2013-08-21 01:57:23 PM

Carth: Witness99: Carth: Witness99: This isn't about guns. This is about lack of family structure, lack of fathers for boys, parents that are either too busy or don't give a shiat. When you pop out little humans, somebody needs to provide them a wealth of love, attention and guidance. I don't think that happens very much anymore. So we get little psychopaths that could have also jumped the guy and beat him to death with rocks.

That is what happens when you don't offer comprehensive sex education, stigmatize and make it difficult to obtain abortions and don't provide new parent counseling to new parents on how to raise children.

I was a poor kid. I was raised by a single mom who worked three jobs (waitress, cocktail waitress, stripper in a bowling alley).

I still put myself through college, and never once did I ever want to hurt an innocent jogger.

What is wrong, when a teen wants to kill out of boredom?

You probably (hopefully) had a single mom who loved you and taught you about things like empathy and morality. You don't need to be rich to raise a kid well but you have to be interested in raising them and make sure they learn important life lessons like "don't shoot people because you're bored"


Also, guns are not toys and violence is wrong.  Is it really that difficult to beat it into your kid's head (not physically, obviously... well maybe) that they should follow the golden rule and treat others how they would like to be treated?   Would you like someone to shoot you in the head while you're out for a stroll? No? Then don't do it to someone else.
 
2013-08-21 01:58:27 PM

I Browse: Then I respect your consistency. I've noticed that many of those who defended Zimmerman don't seem to give other defendants accused of crimes the same "innocent until proven guilty" leeway. Every case is different obviously, but still...it seems prudent to wait until all the evidence is in before rushing to judgment. I had hoped the Zimmerman case would've proven that


Zimmerman's statement immediately after the event were that he had to shoot in self-defense.  These guys' statement immediately after the event were that they shot this person because they were bored.  There is no parallel.
 
2013-08-21 02:00:18 PM

Abuse Liability: Also, guns are not toys and violence is wrong.  Is it really that difficult to beat it into your kid's head (not physically, obviously... well maybe) that they should follow the golden rule and treat others how they would like to be treated?   Would you like someone to shoot you in the head while you're out for a stroll? No? Then don't do it to someone else


For reasonable and intelligent people it really is this easy.  One rule.  Don't do to others what you don't want done to you.  It really isn't that hard.
 
2013-08-21 02:02:04 PM

Magnanimous_J: Galloping Galoshes: This case has all the hallmarks of a community rushing to judgement and a police force willing to oblige.

Why do you think that? Is it because it was solved quickly? Because most murders that occur in competently policed areas are solved quickly.


Citation please.  The FBI Uniform Statistics say there's a 69% clearance rate on homicide, but they go on to define "clearance" as
"when police have identified a perpetrator, have sufficient

evidence to charge him, and actually take him into custody," or he dies or is already in
custody.


Nowhere is there any actual measure of guilty party found.  Throw in bad arrests, not guilty verdicts, reversals, and innocents wrongly convicted, and you'll be lucky to get 1 in 3.
 
2013-08-21 02:03:09 PM

AngryDragon: I Browse: Then I respect your consistency. I've noticed that many of those who defended Zimmerman don't seem to give other defendants accused of crimes the same "innocent until proven guilty" leeway. Every case is different obviously, but still...it seems prudent to wait until all the evidence is in before rushing to judgment. I had hoped the Zimmerman case would've proven that

Zimmerman's statement immediately after the event were that he had to shoot in self-defense.  These guys' statement immediately after the event were that they shot this person because they were bored.  There is no parallel.


That's why I'm leaning guilty, but would change my mind easily, given new information in the boys' defense (i.e., they admitted this during hour 10 of their 11 our interrogation).  We'll just have to see.
 
2013-08-21 02:03:33 PM
The tragedy here like a lot of these crimes is that it prematurely ends the life someone who would live a worthwhile life.  Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom seemed like nice kids too. It breaks your heart that  years of raising children with love to be good people,  can be snuffed out on a whim.
 
2013-08-21 02:04:14 PM

AngryDragon: I Browse: Then I respect your consistency. I've noticed that many of those who defended Zimmerman don't seem to give other defendants accused of crimes the same "innocent until proven guilty" leeway. Every case is different obviously, but still...it seems prudent to wait until all the evidence is in before rushing to judgment. I had hoped the Zimmerman case would've proven that

Zimmerman's statement immediately after the event were that he had to shoot in self-defense.  These guys' statement immediately after the event were that they shot this person because they were bored.  There is no parallel.


All I know is what the cops are saying.  That's just not good enough.
 
2013-08-21 02:05:53 PM

Abuse Liability: (i.e., they admitted this during hour 10 of their 11 our interrogation).


Real bad sign for the validity/veracity of the confession.  These are kids, scared, and with no friends in the room.  At some point most people start agreeing just to get out of the situation.
 
2013-08-21 02:09:52 PM
This being Oklahoma, it's open season on wanna-be thugs from here on out.

These piece of shiats don't deserve to spend a day in prison after they are convicted.  Gavel drops... public execution commences.  I'm tired of my money paying into a "justice" system that only makes lawyers rich.

We are the laughing stock of the world because of idiots like this.  If this story doesn't make you sick to your stomach, then you are part of the problem with our society today.
 
2013-08-21 02:11:21 PM

Carn: In cases like these, I think we need to tie those involved down in the town square, and let nature take its course.  If people want to come by and beat them with sticks, that's fine.  If the town chooses to let them die of thirst or starvation, that's fine too.


But what happens when the community unties them, gives them a fist bump and says "way to represent young gansta!" ..?
 
2013-08-21 02:16:56 PM

Vectron: Meanwhile, Ebony releases 4 different covers in September. What a pity party. Collect all 4!

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Shouldn't white people be able to commemorate the victims of black on white crime?


You do that and every black person will scream racism calling for a boycott same old circle jerk because they are simply racist. Its the circle jerk we have to put up with unfortunately nobody is going to bother putting this kid that got killed photo on the cover of ESPN or any magazine, it would explode into boycotts and other crap causing some company to lose a ton of money which they don't want nor the negative attention. Fact is nobody cares unless its a black kid killed, its amazing how fast the NAACP and crew can start a racial war in a matter of minutes, mean while when a senseless killing like this goes on, nobody does a damn thing. Then again I think I read there has been over 600 african americans killed in united states SINCE the Zimmerman trial and not one thing has been said about it. One mother lost a child to a drive by few weeks ago and she couldn't get any media attention at all to find out who did the shooting. I think the local NAACP did a vile or whatever but that lasted 5 minutes, no media coverage..

The mother just had the baby a few months ago and loses it to senseless killing, there has been no suspects yet but its believed to be a gang iniation to shoot up a house just because it was previously rented by an "enemy gang member".
 
2013-08-21 02:17:16 PM

Galloping Galoshes: Magnanimous_J: Galloping Galoshes: This case has all the hallmarks of a community rushing to judgement and a police force willing to oblige.

Why do you think that? Is it because it was solved quickly? Because most murders that occur in competently policed areas are solved quickly.

Citation please.  The FBI Uniform Statistics say there's a 69% clearance rate on homicide, but they go on to define "clearance" as
"when police have identified a perpetrator, have sufficient

evidence to charge him, and actually take him into custody," or he dies or is already in
custody.


Nowhere is there any actual measure of guilty party found.  Throw in bad arrests, not guilty verdicts, reversals, and innocents wrongly convicted, and you'll be lucky to get 1 in 3.


I think that's stretching it a bit.

But my modifier was "competently policed areas." Think of how many homicides happen in the bad areas of Chicago, St. Louis, Detroit, Camden and 5 or 10 other shiatholes. These areas cannot be argued to be competently policed, and are extremely overrepresented in homicides which could go a long way to explain your 69% figure. But 99% of the country does have competent police and they do solve most murders quickly.
 
2013-08-21 02:20:07 PM

hermitage_deux: Carn: In cases like these, I think we need to tie those involved down in the town square, and let nature take its course.  If people want to come by and beat them with sticks, that's fine.  If the town chooses to let them die of thirst or starvation, that's fine too.

But what happens when the community unties them, gives them a fist bump and says "way to represent young gansta!" ..?


it's time to move.  I thought that's what happened to Detroit.
 
2013-08-21 02:27:40 PM
This is sad for the victim, and I am IN NO WAY excusing them or detracting from that.  It is, however, also sad for those 3 young men.  Society, their parents, somebody didn't do something right.  Now their lives are effectively over.  Society has no use or place for them.
 
2013-08-21 02:30:21 PM
Oh, please! One of the kids already confessed,and he called the cops to his cell to make that confession. So, it didn't happen under duress and hours of interrogation.

I can't believe some of you are ready to cast these scumbag gangbanger wannabes as victims. You either have cop-hate issues, or you are still butthurt over the whole George Z trial.
 
2013-08-21 02:31:23 PM
Wow.  Just...wow.

My redlight from yesterday:  "You're a bored teenager. Do you a) play video games, b) get high, or c) shoot and kill a jogger?"

Guess that $5/mo. buys you something.

/I know, I know...call the wahmbulance.
 
2013-08-21 02:33:53 PM

Inchoate: The issue of criminality among young, lower-class black men is not something that black people are magically unaware of, or something lots aren't outraged by. It's also not something they're required to individually offer atonement for, just like you are not obligated to apologize for Holmes or Lanza if you're white.


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Every race thread on this site has a couple of jackasses claiming that we are obligated to be held responsible for the actions of racist assholes who have been dead for over 100 years. Something something goose something something gander.
 
2013-08-21 02:37:01 PM

Misconduc: Vectron: Meanwhile, Ebony releases 4 different covers in September. What a pity party. Collect all 4!

Shouldn't white people be able to commemorate the victims of black on white crime?

You do that and every black person will scream racism calling for a boycott same old circle jerk because they are simply racist. Its the circle jerk we have to put up with unfortunately nobody is going to bother putting this kid that got killed photo on the cover of ESPN or any magazine, it would explode into boycotts and other crap causing some company to lose a ton of money which they don't want nor the negative attention. Fact is nobody cares unless its a black kid killed, its amazing how fast the NAACP and crew can start a racial war in a matter of minutes, mean while when a senseless killing like this goes on, nobody does a damn thing. Then again I think I read there has been over 600 african americans killed in united states SINCE the Zimmerman trial and not one thing has been said about it. One mother lost a child to a drive by few weeks ago and she couldn't get any media attention at all to find out who did the shooting. I think the local NAACP did a vile or whatever but that lasted 5 minutes, no media coverage..

The mother just had the baby a few months ago and loses it to senseless killing, there has been no suspects yet but its believed to be a gang iniation to shoot up a house just because it was previously rented by an "enemy gang member".



Had GZ been arrested and convicted (like these 3 kids will very likely be), it would have been a non-story.  There would have been no outcry, no magazine covers for Trayvon, nothing.  Obama, Holder, et al wouldn't have said a single word about it.

People were outraged about the TM/GZ case because of a perceived lack of justice for black people in America, not because a white-ish man killed a black kid.  Not sure what about this is difficult to understand.

If the 3 kids in this case had said "he was going to kill us, we had to shoot him" and the police didn't even arrest them or investigate their story - then yes, this case would be comparable to TM/GZ.  Until then, pissing and moaning about how "every black person ... is simply racist" does nothing but show your own true feelings about race.
 
2013-08-21 02:40:42 PM
more on the story

Anyone know what "dobbed" means in American?
 
2013-08-21 02:44:11 PM

Vectron: more on the story

Anyone know what "dobbed" means in American?


Pretty obvious from context.

"dobbed in" = "turned in", "informed on", "pointed out"
 
2013-08-21 02:48:18 PM

Abuse Liability: Carth: Witness99: Carth: Witness99: This isn't about guns. This is about lack of family structure, lack of fathers for boys, parents that are either too busy or don't give a shiat. When you pop out little humans, somebody needs to provide them a wealth of love, attention and guidance. I don't think that happens very much anymore. So we get little psychopaths that could have also jumped the guy and beat him to death with rocks.

That is what happens when you don't offer comprehensive sex education, stigmatize and make it difficult to obtain abortions and don't provide new parent counseling to new parents on how to raise children.

I was a poor kid. I was raised by a single mom who worked three jobs (waitress, cocktail waitress, stripper in a bowling alley).

I still put myself through college, and never once did I ever want to hurt an innocent jogger.

What is wrong, when a teen wants to kill out of boredom?

You probably (hopefully) had a single mom who loved you and taught you about things like empathy and morality. You don't need to be rich to raise a kid well but you have to be interested in raising them and make sure they learn important life lessons like "don't shoot people because you're bored"

Also, guns are not toys and violence is wrong.  Is it really that difficult to beat it into your kid's head (not physically, obviously... well maybe) that they should follow the golden rule and treat others how they would like to be treated?   Would you like someone to shoot you in the head while you're out for a stroll? No? Then don't do it to someone else.


"Would you like someone to shoot you in the head while you're out for a stroll? No? Then don't do it to someone else."

i think you mean..." then dont stroll through a black neighborhood."

/aussie wouldnt know that
// all americans know that
 
2013-08-21 02:53:11 PM
damn the race rabble rousers are all up in arms. Even here on relatively liberal Fark.

#1 reason why this is different from the Martin-Zimmerman case:

When Zimmerman shot Martin to death, the cops just gave him a pass without seriously investigating.

Zimmerman unfortunately became an identifiable face of Law and Order in this country, where vulnerable groups are considered largely dispensable. It's a well-known and indisputable fact that some minorities are treated with bias in the justice system.

I have to think that if any of you white Farkers had a teenage son who was shot by some random busy-body tough-guy you'd be all over that like Lindsay Lohan on cocaine. You would expect a decent investigation and for the guy to go to jail for some length of time for at least manslaughter, not the police having a default response of. "ok, Stand Your Ground, one less individual of XYZ group that we don't care about, move along, nothing to see here."

I think it's horrible that the Australian jogger/baseball/college guy was shot by 3 idiots. But it had nothing to do with Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman. The stupid attempts at equivalency are just that, stupid.
 
2013-08-21 02:53:28 PM
Hey, this happened half an hour from where I grew up. Fun fact: Duncan High's mascot is the Demons.
 
2013-08-21 02:53:43 PM

mekki: The victim was Australian. I always feel more embarrassed when the murder victim is a non-American who was just visiting or in this case, just a student. Like if we are going to keep killing each other, keep it in-house. Don't bring strangers into it. God knows the world thinks we are just trigger happy savages. This just proves it double fold.


I have the same reaction.  Young Asian students seem to take the brunt of it.  That kid who got shot on Halloween a few years ago for ringing the wrong doorbell . . .
 
2013-08-21 02:54:23 PM
East Central grad here by the way, so I feel bad for the community at the university and in Ada as well as his family .  It's a small school, so I figure this impacted quite a few people.
 
2013-08-21 02:58:25 PM

umad: Every race thread on this site has a couple of jackasses claiming that we are obligated to be held responsible for the actions of racist assholes who have been dead for over 100 years. Something something goose something something gander.



We could, collectively, decide to go another way with it... How about we only judge people as individuals? That might be fun to try. That way you are not responsible for the bad actions of people who share your race, and I am not responsible for the bad actions of people who share mine. We'd make no assumptions about each other based on race, and actually have to get to know each other before we made any snap judgements.

Who's with me...?
 
2013-08-21 03:00:27 PM

rcf1105: Duncan High's mascot is the Demons.


Well. There's your problem.....
 
2013-08-21 03:00:32 PM
Let me guess the race... yup... oh wait, a wigger too? Didn't see that coming.
 
2013-08-21 03:06:12 PM

I Browse: How about we only judge people as individuals?


If every person was born and raised in a vacuum, that would be a great plan. But there are interconnected issues that make your idea simplistic and naive.
 
2013-08-21 03:07:38 PM

Egalitarian: When Zimmerman shot Martin to death, the cops just gave him a pass without seriously investigating.


This is not true. They had even consulted with the state attorney general. Their original assessment turned out to be correct. There was not enough evidence to bring to trial.
 
2013-08-21 03:08:49 PM

Vectron: Egalitarian: When Zimmerman shot Martin to death, the cops just gave him a pass without seriously investigating.

This is not true. They had even consulted with the state attorney general. Their original assessment turned out to be correct. There was not enough evidence to bring to trial.


Plus he was as innocent as the day is long.....
 
2013-08-21 03:09:51 PM

Magnanimous_J: I Browse: How about we only judge people as individuals?

If every person was born and raised in a vacuum, that would be a great plan. But there are interconnected issues that make your idea simplistic and naive.


Then racism will never go away. Good plan.
 
2013-08-21 03:13:47 PM

Egalitarian: When Zimmerman shot Martin to death, the cops just gave him a pass without seriously investigating.


Both the local police and the FBI stated that there was not enough evidence to bring charges much less convict.  Then the outrage began.  The Prosecutor even had to bypass the grand jury to even get it into court because the belief was that they would not vote to bring charges.  In the end there was not enough evidence to convict.  A year of cost and time wasted to come right back to the original conclusion all because some people got all butthurt about it.
 
2013-08-21 03:15:14 PM

Magnanimous_J: I Browse: How about we only judge people as individuals?

If every person was born and raised in a vacuum, that would be a great plan. But there are interconnected issues that make your idea simplistic and naive.



Can you expand on this?
 
2013-08-21 03:17:09 PM

hermitage_deux: i think you mean..." then dont stroll through a black neighborhood."


Something awful might happen, like being reminded that it's recyclables night!
 
2013-08-21 03:18:00 PM

Inchoate: WhyKnot: Why it is that anytime there is a black victim and white perpetrator (or Hispanic...close enough, right?) the 'black community' gets fired up, the media gets fired up, politicians get fired up...but switch the races and all of a sudden it is 'a tragedy for everyone involved'; now we need to try to understand how such sweet and loving kids could commit such an unspeakable crime.

Things like the Trayvon Martin killing, stop and frisk, etc. follow archetypal pattern of discrimination and oppression. Seeing a young black man as a walking incarnation of danger, and overreacting to that impulse, is a depressingly common incident in American history. So people get very touchy when a news event occurs that might fit that pattern, even if they do end up being wrong sometimes. Ask a black friend about this sometime - they can explain better than I can.

There's not as much of an established racist pattern to the flip-side of those incidents. White people are *definitely* not oppressed by the system; although they are targeted from time to time by jackass racist criminals, and although the media does occasionally pussyfoot around black-on-white hate crimes to annoying effect, it is not even close to the epidemic the Stormfront fanboys would have you believe.

Also, one of the murderers in this case was actually a white kid, which some of the racist agenda-pushers are aggressively ignoring. That matters too.


While I agree with some of what you say, it is time for the black community to step it up a little in their own neighborhoods.

I live in Pittsburgh and two years ago there was a shooting at a youth softball tournament - they estimated there were over 60 people watching.

Happened right in the stands where everybody was sitting but when police got there nobody saw anything.

Then you had the city official interfering in the case where the baby was shot in Georgia and the shooters mother tried to dispose of the gun.

If you truly want justice, don't just march for it - start doing something about it.

I know it takes courage because snitches get stitches but it's your fear that is letting these young people die in the streets.
 
2013-08-21 03:18:33 PM

I Browse: Magnanimous_J: I Browse: How about we only judge people as individuals?

If every person was born and raised in a vacuum, that would be a great plan. But there are interconnected issues that make your idea simplistic and naive.


Can you expand on this?


Prepare for an logic-free emotional appeal filled with horseshiat buzz-words like "priviledge".
 
2013-08-21 03:19:47 PM
*a logic-free
 
2013-08-21 03:19:54 PM

Agent Nick Fury: If you truly want justice, don't just march for it - start doing something about it.

I know it takes courage because snitches moral, law-abiding citizens get stitches but it's your fear that is letting these young people die in the streets.


Let's start by destigmatizing cooperation with the police and prosecutors when an obvious crime has been committed.
 
2013-08-21 03:20:21 PM

AngryDragon: Egalitarian: When Zimmerman shot Martin to death, the cops just gave him a pass without seriously investigating.

Both the local police and the FBI stated that there was not enough evidence to bring charges much less convict.  Then the outrage began.  The Prosecutor even had to bypass the grand jury to even get it into court because the belief was that they would not vote to bring charges.  In the end there was not enough evidence to convict.  A year of cost and time wasted to come right back to the original conclusion all because some people got all butthurt about it.


And this was all because of race.
 
2013-08-21 03:21:49 PM

Vectron: You can't make this shiat up.


No need to.  It's so common that it's news when the mother doesn't say something along those lines.

Witness99: I was a poor kid. I was raised by a single mom who worked three jobs (waitress, cocktail waitress, stripper in a bowling alley).


Not trying to be an ass or nothing, but the simple fact is that there's numerous indicators that lead to an increased rate of criminal shiat.  Poverty, broken families, poor schooling, it all leads into a interconnected pile of reinforcing intercorrelated suck and higher crime rates.

In short, it increases the odds from something like 1 in a million to 1 in 10k.  No matter how bad the family life, most people don't become serial killers, but 99.9% of serial killers came from a home with broken family life.

Galloping Galoshes: Citation please. The FBI Uniform Statistics say there's a 69% clearance rate on homicide, but they go on to define "clearance" as "when police have identified a perpetrator, have sufficient evidence to charge him, and actually take him into custody," or he dies or is already in custody.


Oddly placed line returns removed.  Still, the FBI Uniform Statistics include both 'competently' and 'incompetently' policed areas, depending on the original poster's personal definitions/reasonings.  I just know that 'most' murders in the USA are in 'incompetently' policed areas.
 
2013-08-21 03:28:17 PM

Firethorn: Oddly placed line returns removed. Still, the FBI Uniform Statistics include both 'competently' and 'incompetently' policed areas, depending on the original poster's personal definitions/reasonings. I just know that 'most' murders in the USA are in 'incompetently' policed areas.


It copied funny and I hit "send" too fast.

Remember, before you commit murder, check the clearance rate in your FBI Uniform Statistics manual to make sure you're doing it in an "incompetently policed area."

Firethorn: I just know that 'most' murders in the USA are in 'incompetently' policed areas.


How do you "just know?"  Faith?  A feeling?  Definition of competency in an area by the number of murders in it?
 
2013-08-21 03:29:45 PM

Agent Nick Fury: I live in Pittsburgh and two years ago there was a shooting at a youth softball tournament - they estimated there were over 60 people watching.

Happened right in the stands where everybody was sitting but when police got there nobody saw anything.

Then you had the city official interfering in the case where the baby was shot in Georgia and the shooters mother tried to dispose of the gun.

If you truly want justice, don't just march for it - start doing something about it.

I know it takes courage because snitches get stitches but it's your fear that is letting these young people die in the streets


Yeah, you want to know what the problem is?  This.  This is the problem.
 
2013-08-21 03:31:26 PM
I am Chris Lane. Instead of making this about race, lets created legislation for safer gun ownership.

12 gauge is sitting next to my bed.
 
2013-08-21 03:32:04 PM

Banned on the Run: Wow.  Just...wow.

My redlight from yesterday:  "You're a bored teenager. Do you a) play video games, b) get high, or c) shoot and kill a jogger?"

Guess that $5/mo. buys you something.

/I know, I know...call the wahmbulance.


Woohoo!!
Thank you TF gifter person!

/Dick Tracy was wrong when he said, "Whine doesn't pay."
 
2013-08-21 03:33:01 PM

kcfarker: We are the laughing stock of the world because of idiots like this. If this story doesn't make you sick to your stomach, then you are part of the problem with our society today.


Your suggested solution would actually make us MORE of a laughing stock outside of places like North Korea, Saudi Arabia and such.

lantawa: Plus he was as innocent as the day is long.....


That's the thing.  Innocence isn't required.  All that's required is there not be enough evidence to successfully prosecute.  If I'm a prosecutor and I don't believe that I can convince 12 jurors that a person is guilty, why waste the resources taking it to trial?  If we're not taking it to trial, why have the police waste their resources arresting?  Etc...
 
2013-08-21 03:37:11 PM

Cold_Sassy: Glad to see that AZ has the death penalty.  Let's hope they use it.


Let's hope they use it on the correct person, given that the Supreme Court has upheld convictions where the defense attorney was literally asleep in the courtroom.
 
2013-08-21 03:40:01 PM
mouse fitzgerald: Misconduc: Vectron: Meanwhile, Ebony releases 4 different covers in September. What a pity party. Collect all 4!

Shouldn't white people be able to commemorate the victims of black on white crime?

You do that and every black person will scream racism calling for a boycott same old circle jerk because they are simply racist. Its the circle jerk we have to put up with unfortunately nobody is going to bother putting this kid that got killed photo on the cover of ESPN or any magazine, it would explode into boycotts and other crap causing some company to lose a ton of money which they don't want nor the negative attention. Fact is nobody cares unless its a black kid killed, its amazing how fast the NAACP and crew can start a racial war in a matter of minutes, mean while when a senseless killing like this goes on, nobody does a damn thing. Then again I think I read there has been over 600 african americans killed in united states SINCE the Zimmerman trial and not one thing has been said about it. One mother lost a child to a drive by few weeks ago and she couldn't get any media attention at all to find out who did the shooting. I think the local NAACP did a vile or whatever but that lasted 5 minutes, no media coverage..

The mother just had the baby a few months ago and loses it to senseless killing, there has been no suspects yet but its believed to be a gang iniation to shoot up a house just because it was previously rented by an "enemy gang member".


Had GZ been arrested and convicted (like these 3 kids will very likely be), it would have been a non-story.

I understand now, any white person who kills a black person regardless of evidence or JURY TRIAL, should be sentenced to prison regardless. Lets ignore all evidence and just convict whitey because black people say so. This is what you are saying?
Fact is there was nothing to investigate, Black people had Zimmerman guilty before the evidence, trial or Jury even were picked. Difference is Zimmerman was attacked and defended himself instead of taking a beating like a man, running away and calling the cops, or Martin could of Ran home.

In this case three BORED kids shot a man and killed him just because....... Nothing? No words were said the guy didnt look at them funny, they just killed him. Do you not see a difference here? There is Evidence, Trial and Jury for a reason.

If Martin didn't attack Zimmerman, you damn right zimmerman would be someones soap toy in prison right now, however it was already GUILTY! by the media, so why not just throw zimmerman in prison and be done with it?
 
2013-08-21 03:41:58 PM

Galloping Galoshes: How do you "just know?" Faith? A feeling? Definition of competency in an area by the number of murders in it?


Don't want to try to nail down definitions too much; the statistics are a mess.  However, the reasoning behind my thinking:
1.  Most murderers are serial criminals.  Most victims are also serial criminals.
2.  A nasty percent of our murders are drug related(by/against dealers)
3.  Most violence(much of it over drugs) , including murders, tends to be confined to relatively small pieces of territory that I'll call 'Ghettos'
4.  'Ghettos' are the areas most controlled by gangs and such, ergo ineffective police protection

Somebody gets murdered in the ghetto - 'gang did it' and not much investigation.  Somebody murdered in the suburbs?  Massive amounts of police investigation.
 
2013-08-21 03:49:49 PM

Magnanimous_J: For every Trayvon Martin incident, there are 17 crimes like this one. The media completely ignores most of them. The only reason we heard a word about this is because the victim was somewhat well-known as an athlete.


Next time you read some boo hoo jerk off piece about how much is sucks to when people look at you suspiciously, remember this story.

This is the normal, not the other way around.


Nice lies.
 
2013-08-21 03:50:57 PM

Vectron: Magnanimous_J: For every Trayvon Martin incident, there are 17 crimes like this one. The media completely ignores most of them. The only reason we heard a word about this is because the victim was somewhat well-known as an athlete.


Next time you read some boo hoo jerk off piece about how much is sucks to when people look at you suspiciously, remember this story.

This is the normal, not the other way around.


This.


Nope.
 
2013-08-21 03:55:36 PM

Vectron: Shouldn't white people be able to commemorate the victims of black on white crime?


Shouldn't White People know the difference between an Apple and an Orange?
 
2013-08-21 03:58:44 PM

HAMMERTOE: mouse fitzgerald: To the people equating this to Trayvon Martin - are you trolling, or are you really that obtuse? ...

...A white kid getting killed by 3 black kids for fun is horrible, tragic, and meaningless, but it isn't remotely the same thing. There is absolutely zero chance that these 3 kids get away with this.

Had he been on a cell phone with his "girlfriend" and told her, "I'm being followed by three creepy-ass attractive, yada, yada, yada..."), the outcry would be deafening. Sharpie and Jackson would be on red-eye flights straight to fundraisers and wherever there are cameras within 50 miles of the still-drying blood stain, making excuses about how their actions were mitigated by "black rage", etc.


www.fotoblography.com
 
2013-08-21 04:01:59 PM

mouse fitzgerald: If the 3 kids in this case had said "he was going to kill us, we had to shoot him" and the police didn't even arrest them or investigate their story - then yes, this case would be comparable to TM/GZ. Until then, pissing and moaning about how "every black person ... is simply racist" does nothing but show your own true feelings about race.


Had he been sitting on their collective chests, pummeling their collective faces with his fists, bouncing the back of their collective heads off the collective concrete sidewalk, you might have a coherent collective argument there. As it stands now, just alphabet soup.
 
2013-08-21 04:03:16 PM
 
2013-08-21 04:06:05 PM

funmonger: strawman.jpg


Funny, but the fact was, of the two, it was Martin who "profiled" Zimmerman, even going so far as to engage in hate speech in describing him tohis friend on the phone, which she was actually comfortable enough in their collective "victimhood" to repeat on the stand. Zimmerman followed Martin because of his actions, not because of his color. And, Martin apparently justified his suspicions.
 
2013-08-21 04:07:27 PM

Banned on the Run: Banned on the Run: Wow.  Just...wow.

My redlight from yesterday:  "You're a bored teenager. Do you a) play video games, b) get high, or c) shoot and kill a jogger?"

Guess that $5/mo. buys you something.

/I know, I know...call the wahmbulance.

Woohoo!!
Thank you TF gifter person!

/Dick Tracy was wrong when he said, "Whine doesn't pay."


In fairness, there were several headlines yesterday, and a few today too.
 
2013-08-21 04:08:06 PM

HAMMERTOE: funmonger: strawman.jpg

Funny, but the fact was, of the two, it was Martin who "profiled" Zimmerman, even going so far as to engage in hate speech in describing him tohis friend on the phone, which she was actually comfortable enough in their collective "victimhood" to repeat on the stand. Zimmerman followed Martin because of his actions, not because of his color. And, Martin apparently justified his suspicions.


Oh, come on.  "Creepy cracker following me" is 90% actions, 10% identity.
 
2013-08-21 04:10:33 PM

HAMMERTOE: funmonger: strawman.jpg

Funny, but the fact was, of the two, it was Martin who "profiled" Zimmerman, even going so far as to engage in hate speech in describing him tohis friend on the phone, which she was actually comfortable enough in their collective "victimhood" to repeat on the stand. Zimmerman followed Martin because of his actions, not because of his color. And, Martin apparently justified his suspicions.


You know what a Strawman argument is, right?
 
2013-08-21 04:17:16 PM

funmonger: You know what a Strawman argument is, right?


Of course.

FrancoFile: Oh, come on. "Creepy cracker following me" is 90% actions, 10% identity.


And 100% hate speech. Especially when followed by violence.
 
2013-08-21 04:37:18 PM

HAMMERTOE: Of course.


Oh, I see. You're a troll. Got it.
 
2013-08-21 04:37:50 PM

basemetal: Banned on the Run: Banned on the Run: Wow.  Just...wow.

My redlight from yesterday:  "You're a bored teenager. Do you a) play video games, b) get high, or c) shoot and kill a jogger?"

Guess that $5/mo. buys you something.

/I know, I know...call the wahmbulance.

Woohoo!!
Thank you TF gifter person!

/Dick Tracy was wrong when he said, "Whine doesn't pay."

In fairness, there were several headlines yesterday, and a few today too.


So I gathered from your boobies
 
2013-08-21 04:39:59 PM

funmonger: Oh, I see. You're a troll. Got it.


Please. Argue the points, or don't.
 
2013-08-21 04:43:09 PM
One thing that I do know is that "disgust speech" is a lot different than hate speech.  I'm just plain disgusted at the whole mess.  Sorry if that sometimes comes across as hate.  To be fair, I'm an equal opportunity disguster.
 
2013-08-21 04:44:11 PM

HAMMERTOE: Please. Argue the points, or don't.

Had he been on a cell phone with his "girlfriend" and told her, "I'm being followed by three creepy-ass attractive, yada, yada, yada..."), the outcry would be deafening. Sharpie and Jackson would be on red-eye flights straight to fundraisers and wherever there are cameras within 50 miles of the still-drying blood stain, making excuses about how their actions were mitigated by "black rage", etc.

 

This is what's known as a "Strawman Argument", where one makes a false version of one's opponents and then attacks that version, in an attempt to sound reasonable.

You got any real points, or are you just here to shiat all over the thread?
 
2013-08-21 04:47:27 PM

funmonger: This is what's known as a "Strawman Argument", where one makes a false version of one's opponents and then attacks that version, in an attempt to sound reasonable.

You got any real points, or are you just here to shiat all over the thread?


*Ahem* (I will paraphrase the prevailing argument in the Zimmerman case here for brevity.)

"Zimmerman PROFILED Martin, then stalked him! This means Zimmerman DESERVED the beatdown Martin decided he was going to get! Zimmerman DESERVED the fact that Martin was sitting in his chest, pummeling his face, bouncing his head off the concrete! Zimmerman had NO RIGHT to defend his self!"

Straw man, my ass.
 
2013-08-21 04:49:00 PM
Another point: If Zimmerman had "no right" to follow Martin, in an attempt to maintain visual contact, why was he not charged with Stalking?
 
2013-08-21 04:50:16 PM

HAMMERTOE: Another point: If Zimmerman had "no right" to follow Martin, in an attempt to maintain visual contact, why was he not charged with Stalking?


Man, you REALLY want this to be about Zimmerman.
 
2013-08-21 04:51:45 PM
What I'm really getting at is that Sharpton and Jackson didn't take up Martin's case because he was "right"; it was because he was black, and they could find a rationalization to milk. Just like the rationalization I presented earlier, which would get their asses on a plane so quick it would create a sonic boom.
 
2013-08-21 04:52:43 PM

funmonger: HAMMERTOE: funmonger: This is what's known as a "Strawman Argument", where one makes a false version of one's opponents and then attacks that version, in an attempt to sound reasonable.

You got any real points, or are you just here to shiat all over the thread?

*Ahem* (I will paraphrase the prevailing argument in the Zimmerman case here for brevity.)

"Zimmerman PROFILED Martin, then stalked him! This means Zimmerman DESERVED the beatdown Martin decided he was going to get! Zimmerman DESERVED the fact that Martin was sitting in his chest, pummeling his face, bouncing his head off the concrete! Zimmerman had NO RIGHT to defend his self!"

Straw man, my ass.

You just did it again, stupid.


Aren't you just a ray of sunshine.  You've added absolutely nothing to this thread but to insult people.  Who's the troll again?
 
2013-08-21 04:52:49 PM
No, I don't want it to be about Zimmerman. But it's time to stop pretending it's about "justice" too.
 
2013-08-21 04:57:08 PM
I can't wait for Obama to put his two cents in as well.

"The shooter could have been my son!"
 
2013-08-21 04:57:13 PM

HAMMERTOE: What I'm really getting at is that Sharpton and Jackson didn't take up Martin's case because he was "right"; it was because he was black, and they could find a rationalization to milk. Just like the rationalization I presented earlier, which would get their asses on a plane so quick it would create a sonic boom.


That's not what you said. You said that they'd be on a plane to defend these killers if the victim had used a racist term for them on the phone to his girlfriend. That is a strawman argument. You literally made up a version of Sharpton and Jackson so you'd have some facsimile of outrage to bend your angst around.

Also, you keep making this about Martin and Zimmerman. It isn't about them.

Stop talking.
 
2013-08-21 04:57:55 PM

mcicchi: Aren't you just a ray of sunshine.  You've added absolutely nothing to this thread but to insult people.  Who's the troll again?


Hey, cool. More strawmen. It's like a sport around here.
 
2013-08-21 04:59:25 PM

HAMMERTOE: No, I don't want it to be about Zimmerman. But it's time to stop pretending it's about "justice" too.


Then why do you go on about it?

HAMMERTOE: I can't wait for Obama to put his two cents in as well.

"The shooter could have been my son!"


See?
 
2013-08-21 05:04:04 PM

funmonger: HAMMERTOE: No, I don't want it to be about Zimmerman. But it's time to stop pretending it's about "justice" too.

Then why do you go on about it?

HAMMERTOE: I can't wait for Obama to put his two cents in as well.

"The shooter could have been my son!"

See?


Well, to be fair, Obama did open mouth and insert foot on more than one occasion in relation to the case in question.  Part of my disgust, if I might be allowed to experience that feeling. BTW, not an alt.  Just me. It's just me. My problem, if you will.
 
2013-08-21 05:07:59 PM

lantawa: Well, to be fair, Obama did open mouth and insert foot on more than one occasion in relation to the case in question.  Part of my disgust, if I might be allowed to experience that feeling. BTW, not an alt.  Just me. It's just me. My problem, if you will.


I'm sure there's a thread or twelve that covered angles of the Martin/Zimmerman case. Unless it's relevant, rehashing them here is intellectual dishonesty at best, Trollshiattery at worst.

Is Martin/Zimmerman relevant here, in regard to this case?

 How?
 
2013-08-21 05:09:01 PM

I Browse: Magnanimous_J: I Browse: How about we only judge people as individuals?

If every person was born and raised in a vacuum, that would be a great plan. But there are interconnected issues that make your idea simplistic and naive.


Can you expand on this?


If a suicide bomber in Bagdad kills a bunch of people on a bus, it is reasonable to lay some of that blame on the community that brought him up and influenced him. People aren't raised in a vacuum. Likewise, if an appallingly high amount of violent crime comes from a very small segment of the population, it's reasonable to say "Hey! What the fark is wrong with you?" to that segment.
 
2013-08-21 05:11:53 PM

funmonger: lantawa: Well, to be fair, Obama did open mouth and insert foot on more than one occasion in relation to the case in question.  Part of my disgust, if I might be allowed to experience that feeling. BTW, not an alt.  Just me. It's just me. My problem, if you will.

I'm sure there's a thread or twelve that covered angles of the Martin/Zimmerman case. Unless it's relevant, rehashing them here is intellectual dishonesty at best, Trollshiattery at worst.

Is Martin/Zimmerman relevant here, in regard to this case?

 How?


Not to worry.  It's my problem. I don't expect you to understand. Let it go.
 
2013-08-21 05:13:19 PM

lantawa: Not to worry.  It's my problem. I don't expect you to understand. Let it go.


That's why you thought you'd mention it in a forum... because it's your problem?

You've got more than one problem.
 
2013-08-21 05:19:43 PM

lantawa: One thing that I do know is that "disgust speech" is a lot different than hate speech.  I'm just plain disgusted at the whole mess.  Sorry if that sometimes comes across as hate.  To be fair, I'm an equal opportunity disguster.


Same here.  If a group of vicious white teens murdered an innocent black man, i would be equally disgusted.  Same goes for a group of elderly Korean women in wheelchairs viciously murdering a Slovenian exchange student living in France.  I'd be a bit surprised, of course, but equally disgusted.
 
2013-08-21 05:31:40 PM

Magnanimous_J: Galloping Galoshes: This case has all the hallmarks of a community rushing to judgement and a police force willing to oblige.

Why do you think that? Is it because it was solved quickly? Because most murders that occur in competently policed white areas are solved quickly.


Truth is the police try harder to get the crooks when the victim is white.
 
2013-08-21 05:33:00 PM
Not surprising that most media outlets thought a clown wearing an Obama mask was more of crime and outrage.
 
2013-08-21 05:44:58 PM

Misconduc: I think the local NAACP did a vile vial or whatever but that lasted 5 minutes


ftfy
 
2013-08-21 05:59:29 PM
WHITE PEOPLE GUNNA RIOT~!

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Brace yourselves.
 
2013-08-21 06:15:16 PM
I'm bored with these kids already. To hell with the trial, just skip that part and given the chair.


//They'll understand, right?
 
2013-08-21 06:21:15 PM

dr.zaeus: [i.imgur.com image 669x727]

$100, a plaid shirt, and a busted iPhone.  Now THAT'S gangsta.


http://dailycaller.com/2013/08/21/black-teen-who-murdered-australian -j ogger-posted-racist-tweets/

I'm sure it's just an inconvenient coinky dinky...nothing to see here, move along.
 
2013-08-21 06:22:06 PM

italie: I'm bored with these kids already. To hell with the trial, just skip that part and given the chair.


//They'll understand, right?


They're all under age.  NO death penalty for teens. Most they can get is life without parole.
 
2013-08-21 06:27:45 PM
 
2013-08-21 06:31:21 PM

Vectron: Justice for Trayvon!!!

James Edwards, arrested for the murder tweeted....


[dailycaller.com image 460x277]

"Woods" is a derogatory term for white people.

Duncan police chief Dan Ford said he had not yet seen Edwards' social media activities.
"I don't think there'd be any further charge," he told The Daily Caller in a phone interview when asked if Edwards' activities warranted any sort of hate crime charge. "I'm not discounting the stuff that's on there, but they do that for shock and effect."


"90% of white ppl are nasty. #HATE THEM."

Justice for Trayvon!!!


Can somebody translate that tweet into English?
 
2013-08-21 06:31:54 PM
Magnanimous_J:

If a suicide bomber in Bagdad kills a bunch of people on a bus, it is reasonable to lay some of that blame on the community that brought him up and influenced him. People aren't raised in a vacuum. Likewise, if an appallingly high amount of violent crime comes from a very small segment of the population, it's reasonable to say "Hey! What the fark is wrong with you?" to that segment.


Can I assume that you're consistent with this line of reasoning? For example...child molesters. If a small segment of the population commits the vast majority of sex crimes against children, do you lay some of the blame on the community that they came from? Or do you treat molesters as individuals who acted on their own free will?
 
2013-08-21 06:40:49 PM
I know the punk tweeted about Zimmerman... does that invalidate the "Justice For Travon" sentiment? How?
 
2013-08-21 06:44:39 PM
AngryDragon:

Can somebody translate that tweet into English?

 "keep sleepin shiat"

Could that mean, "Continue in my present activities, vis-à-vis Caucasians"?
 
2013-08-21 06:48:30 PM
farkingismybusiness
Obama
Loaf's Tray
Obama
IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T
Obama
HAMMERTOE
Obama
MilesTeg
Obama

So,  three black kids kill a white man in Oklahoma, and you bring in the President of the United States.
Why?  Because he is a black man of course.

rac·ism
/ˈrāˌsizəm/
Noun
The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race.

Well Congratulations!  you're all racists.  But you knew that.
 
2013-08-21 06:49:26 PM

Latinwolf: Magnanimous_J: Galloping Galoshes: This case has all the hallmarks of a community rushing to judgement and a police force willing to oblige.

Why do you think that? Is it because it was solved quickly? Because most murders that occur in competently policed white areas are solved quickly.

Truth is the police try harder to get the crooks when the victim is white.


Citation probably needed.  Do the police know the race of the suspect immediately upon discovering the race of the victim?  Or is it just that the victim is white?  Maybe I am wrongly divining what you are trying to say without saying it.  My issue is that the black grievance industry throws a fit whenever the victim or the accused is black but becomes silent when the accused is found guilty and the assumed victim to be a liar.  The Revs can't find enough cameras to stand in front of when it is a perceived wrong but can't skulk away fast enough when it turns out not to be.  Herp, Derp & privileged whitey - yeah, I know.  Yes, I also know that Jackson gave a lukewarm rebuke of the senseless violence and he "frowned" upon it.
 
2013-08-21 06:50:46 PM

funmonger: I know the punk tweeted about Zimmerman... does that invalidate the "Justice For Travon" sentiment? How?


I am of the opinion that the media coverage surrounding the Trayvon Martin death has incited violence against whites. Many of the media continue to push the notion that there was a miscarriage of justice because of racism in the justice system. The media is guilty. The race hustlers are guilty. Eric Holder is guilty.
 
2013-08-21 06:55:02 PM

AngryDragon: Vectron: Justice for Trayvon!!!

James Edwards, arrested for the murder tweeted....


[dailycaller.com image 460x277]

"Woods" is a derogatory term for white people.

Duncan police chief Dan Ford said he had not yet seen Edwards' social media activities.
"I don't think there'd be any further charge," he told The Daily Caller in a phone interview when asked if Edwards' activities warranted any sort of hate crime charge. "I'm not discounting the stuff that's on there, but they do that for shock and effect."


"90% of white ppl are nasty. #HATE THEM."

Justice for Trayvon!!!

Can somebody translate that tweet into English?


Translation: Yes. I took down five white people since the Zimmerman trial. (Laugh out loud) (Expletive)  I am going to continue attacking/killing. #Yes

It would be interesting to see if there have been any unsolved attacks on Caucasians recently. I think we have a new suspect.
 
2013-08-21 07:05:31 PM

Vectron: I am of the opinion that the media coverage surrounding the Trayvon Martin death has incited violence against whites. Many of the media continue to push the notion that there was a miscarriage of justice because of racism in the justice system. The media is guilty. The race hustlers are guilty. Eric Holder is guilty.


The best way to deal with the outrage industry is by encouraging sound reasoning in debate. I'd love to hear your reasoning behind holding the media guilty, and all the others on your list. Seems like a lot of generalities piled onto one another, with a lot of hidden arguments.

The punk tweeted race hate, I think that's obvious. There's a correlation between ZimVon inc. and this punk's motivation to kill the Australian. But you know who I blame? That punk.
 
2013-08-21 07:14:33 PM

funmonger: Vectron: I am of the opinion that the media coverage surrounding the Trayvon Martin death has incited violence against whites. Many of the media continue to push the notion that there was a miscarriage of justice because of racism in the justice system. The media is guilty. The race hustlers are guilty. Eric Holder is guilty.

The best way to deal with the outrage industry is by encouraging sound reasoning in debate. I'd love to hear your reasoning behind holding the media guilty, and all the others on your list. Seems like a lot of generalities piled onto one another, with a lot of hidden arguments.

The punk tweeted race hate, I think that's obvious. There's a correlation between ZimVon inc. and this punk's motivation to kill the Australian. But you know who I blame? That punk.



I don't know how to make it more clear. Please reread my statement and consider the actions of the parties I cite.
 
2013-08-21 07:16:04 PM

Vectron: I don't know how to make it more clear. Please reread my statement and consider the actions of the parties I cite.


You can make it clear by pointing out which specific action by parties accused directly led to these punks killing the Australian.
 
2013-08-21 07:16:44 PM
Otherwise, it's a bunch of generalities piled onto one another, with a lot of hidden arguments
 
2013-08-21 07:31:00 PM

AngryDragon: Vectron: Justice for Trayvon!!!

James Edwards, arrested for the murder tweeted....


[dailycaller.com image 460x277]

"Woods" is a derogatory term for white people.

Duncan police chief Dan Ford said he had not yet seen Edwards' social media activities.
"I don't think there'd be any further charge," he told The Daily Caller in a phone interview when asked if Edwards' activities warranted any sort of hate crime charge. "I'm not discounting the stuff that's on there, but they do that for shock and effect."


"90% of white ppl are nasty. #HATE THEM."

Justice for Trayvon!!!

Can somebody translate that tweet into English?


Sure. It says "90% of white people are nasty. #HATE THEM."
 
2013-08-21 07:33:20 PM

funmonger: Vectron: I am of the opinion that the media coverage surrounding the Trayvon Martin death has incited violence against whites. Many of the media continue to push the notion that there was a miscarriage of justice because of racism in the justice system. The media is guilty. The race hustlers are guilty. Eric Holder is guilty.

The best way to deal with the outrage industry is by encouraging sound reasoning in debate. I'd love to hear your reasoning behind holding the media guilty, and all the others on your list. Seems like a lot of generalities piled onto one another, with a lot of hidden arguments.

The punk tweeted race hate, I think that's obvious. There's a correlation between ZimVon inc. and this punk's motivation to kill the Australian. But you know who I blame? That punk.



I'm here again, to help you with YOUR problem.  As far as my problem, you can let it go.  Here's what a willfully obtuse propagandist,, i.e., you, may look like:

i466.photobucket.com

Take your time.  Study it out.  The motivation behind securing fair treatment for black youths is highly admirable, and, in my opinion, should have been implemented as a true movement many years ago, based on general social factors in the United States.  Actually, countless African-American churches ensure that enormously nurturing and supportive social structures ARE there for black youths (You know, those crass and godless Christians that have no spiritual attributes and who are constantly a target of the majority AWs and atheist mouth-breathers here on Fark). To base such a movement on "misbehavior" and "gun control" issues relative to persons (THE person George Zimmerman, to be exact) who are behaving well within their own broad and expansive sets of rights and privileges, well, the impetus for the movement is grossly flawed in its current incarnation, and the young man "Trayvon Martin" is certainly not the appropriate person for whom to continue to seek "justice."  Justice has been served in relation to that particular young man.  Now let's look at justice for all of the needful African-American youths who are doing nothing wrong and who will truly appreciate and benefit from such justice.

 
2013-08-21 07:36:54 PM

lantawa: funmonger: Vectron: I am of the opinion that the media coverage surrounding the Trayvon Martin death has incited violence against whites. Many of the media continue to push the notion that there was a miscarriage of justice because of racism in the justice system. The media is guilty. The race hustlers are guilty. Eric Holder is guilty.

The best way to deal with the outrage industry is by encouraging sound reasoning in debate. I'd love to hear your reasoning behind holding the media guilty, and all the others on your list. Seems like a lot of generalities piled onto one another, with a lot of hidden arguments.

The punk tweeted race hate, I think that's obvious. There's a correlation between ZimVon inc. and this punk's motivation to kill the Australian. But you know who I blame? That punk.


I'm here again, to help you with YOUR problem.  As far as my problem, you can let it go.  Here's what a willfully obtuse propagandist,, i.e., you, may look like:

[i466.photobucket.com image 480x360]

Take your time.  Study it out.  The motivation behind securing fair treatment for black youths is highly admirable, and, in my opinion, should have been implemented as a true movement many years ago, based on general social factors in the United States.  Actually, countless African-American churches ensure that enormously nurturing and supportive social structures ARE there for black youths (You know, those crass and godless Christians that have no spiritual attributes and who are constantly a target of the majority AWs and atheist mouth-breathers here on Fark). To base such a movement on "misbehavior" and "gun control" issues relative to persons (THE person George Zimmerman, to be exact) who are behaving well within their own broad and expansive sets of rights and privileges, well, the impetus for the movement is grossly flawed in its current incarnation, and the young man "Trayvon Martin" is certainly not the appropriate person for whom to continue to seek "justice."  Justice ha ...


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-08-21 07:51:49 PM

Misconduc: mouse fitzgerald: Had GZ been arrested and convicted (like these 3 kids will very likely be), it would have been a non-story.

I understand now, any white person who kills a black person regardless of evidence or JURY TRIAL, should be sentenced to prison regardless. Lets ignore all evidence and just convict whitey because black people say so. This is what you are saying?  Fact is there was nothing to investigate, Black people had Zimmerman guilty before the evidence, trial or Jury even were picked. Difference is Zimmerman ...


No, clearly nothing at all to investigate.  Pay no attention to that dead black kid over there holding skittles and iced tea, he was clearly attacking the overly aggressive neighborhood watch-wannabe and needed to be shot.  No reason to even investigate, GZ is a paragon of virtue, and his story is to be believed without even looking into it.

What if the 3 kids in this story claimed that "this crazy Aussie dude ran straight at us!  He had this gleam in his eye like he was going to kill us!  That's why we had to shoot him in the back."  Would you believe them outright?  Would you say there was nothing to investigate, and that the shooting was justified?  No, you would want them arrested and investigated, and you'd sure-as-hell be angry if they got off scot-free.

Not saying that GZ is/was guilty, just that the case made it seem like there are different standards for justice depending on the race of the victim and the race of the killer.
 
2013-08-21 07:51:50 PM

funmonger: lantawa: funmonger: Vectron: I am of the opinion that the media coverage surrounding the Trayvon Martin death has incited violence against whites. Many of the media continue to push the notion that there was a miscarriage of justice because of racism in the justice system. The media is guilty. The race hustlers are guilty. Eric Holder is guilty.

The best way to deal with the outrage industry is by encouraging sound reasoning in debate. I'd love to hear your reasoning behind holding the media guilty, and all the others on your list. Seems like a lot of generalities piled onto one another, with a lot of hidden arguments.

The punk tweeted race hate, I think that's obvious. There's a correlation between ZimVon inc. and this punk's motivation to kill the Australian. But you know who I blame? That punk.


I'm here again, to help you with YOUR problem.  As far as my problem, you can let it go.  Here's what a willfully obtuse propagandist,, i.e., you, may look like:

[i466.photobucket.com image 480x360]



i466.photobucket.com

That captioned pic that you just posted, SIR, is tantamount to a total intellectual surrender.  I accept your surrender.

 
2013-08-21 07:55:07 PM

tinyarena: farkingismybusiness
Obama
Loaf's Tray
Obama
IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T
Obama
HAMMERTOE
Obama
MilesTeg
Obama

So,  three black kids kill a white man in Oklahoma, and you bring in the President of the United States.
Why?  Because he is a black man of course.

rac·ism
/ˈrāˌsizəm/
Noun
The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race.

Well Congratulations!  you're all racists.  But you knew that.


So does that mean that the President of the United States unilaterally intervening in the previous case solely because the accused is black and he is a black man make him a racist?

I'll agree with your logic if that's what you're saying.
 
2013-08-21 07:56:56 PM

mouse fitzgerald: What if the 3 kids in this story claimed that "this crazy Aussie dude ran straight at us!  He had this gleam in his eye like he was going to kill us!  That's why we had to shoot him in the back."  Would you believe them outright?  Would you say there was nothing to investigate, and that the shooting was justified?  No, you would want them arrested and investigated, and you'd sure-as-hell be angry if they got off scot-free.


That's an interesting "what-if".  Except it isn't even remotely what happened by their own admission.
 
2013-08-21 08:00:36 PM

funmonger: Vectron: I don't know how to make it more clear. Please reread my statement and consider the actions of the parties I cite.

You can make it clear by pointing out which specific action by parties accused directly led to these punks killing the Australian.


It's cumulative. The narrative instantly seized on by the media was that justice was not carried out for reasons of race. Specifically the doctored audio from NBC which attempted to portray Zimmerman incorrectly as a racist. How about the photos chosen by the media to create the impression of Martin as a cherubic child rather than what he was? I could go on and on. The din created by the media and the race hustlers finally forced an arrest and trial. The trial ended with a predicable result.
Rather than accept the verdict, Eric (my people) Holder promised an investigation into the trial. The new Ebony magazine covers promote the incorrect impression that Martin died for merely being black and wearing a hoodie.
All of these and more created an atmosphere of grievance that has led to many crimes against whites.

Police in Baltimore are looking into an incident that took place on Sunday, when a group of black youths allegedly beat a Hispanic man while saying, "This is for Trayvon."

Teen Charged With Hate Crime, Says He Was Mad About Trayvon Martin

The reported beating in Gainesville of a white man by a group of black men who yelled "Trayvon" before the attack last week resonated on the Internet on Tuesday....

There are more.
 
2013-08-21 08:04:07 PM
white people are nasty #HATE THEM

Who wants this Fark handle?
 
2013-08-21 08:05:48 PM

AngryDragon: tinyarena: farkingismybusiness
Obama
Loaf's Tray
Obama
IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T
Obama
HAMMERTOE
Obama
MilesTeg
Obama

So,  three black kids kill a white man in Oklahoma, and you bring in the President of the United States.
Why?  Because he is a black man of course.

rac·ism
/ˈrāˌsizəm/
Noun
The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race.

Well Congratulations!  you're all racists.  But you knew that.

So does that mean that the President of the United States unilaterally intervening in the previous case solely because the accused is black and he is a black man make him a racist?

I'll agree with your logic if that's what you're saying.


It couldn't have been because poor and biased media coverage stirred parts of the nation into an outrage could it? It's not like he's America's leader and may have to comment and take a stance on divisive issues? Obammy just decided to fark with the legal system for shiats and giggles and black pride, right?
 
2013-08-21 08:05:53 PM
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White peoples nasty! Hates them!
 
2013-08-21 08:07:41 PM
Who will Obama identify with this time?
 
2013-08-21 08:16:14 PM

mouse fitzgerald: Misconduc: mouse fitzgerald: Had GZ been arrested and convicted (like these 3 kids will very likely be), it would have been a non-story.

I understand now, any white person who kills a black person regardless of evidence or JURY TRIAL, should be sentenced to prison regardless. Lets ignore all evidence and just convict whitey because black people say so. This is what you are saying?  Fact is there was nothing to investigate, Black people had Zimmerman guilty before the evidence, trial or Jury even were picked. Difference is Zimmerman ...

No, clearly nothing at all to investigate.  Pay no attention to that dead black kid over there holding skittles and iced tea, he was clearly attacking the overly aggressive neighborhood watch-wannabe and needed to be shot.  No reason to even investigate, GZ is a paragon of virtue, and his story is to be believed without even looking into it.


It was looked into, there was no need to investigate any further this is where Obama voters don't understand. I've been in a mall and walked out of an Old Navy store to have a security guard stop me because he thought I walked out with stolen goods. Should I of called him a Crazy white cracker and beat his ass while slamming his head into the concrete floor? No? Oh wait no I am civilized, instead I spoke to him for not even 10 minutes - he checked my bags and recipe, and realized someone ELSE walked out instead. Maybe I should go full Trayvon next time and beat his head instead, ya know so I can get shot then the security guard can get found not guilty because after all, it would be self defense No?

Not saying that GZ is/was guilty, just that the case made it seem like there are different standards for justice depending on the race of the victim and the race of the killer.

No doubt there is racism in this world, maybe the police department was racist and shrugged it off, I highly doubt every single cop is racist. If one was in fact, there would be stories all over about how "White cops failed to investigate". I don't think it matters what color you are, everyonedeals with racism no matter what race you are. I am arab, hungarian background - you should see what happened to muslims  any middle eastern person period after 9/11. Why do I still get singled out for being middle eastern when its beyond 10 years because of 9/11? I find it ironic not only hillbillies but black people have to bring that up. Its one reason I am racist, I hate everybody now because of idiots who believe they are getting 72 fat virgins now I have to be checked for bombs in my tighty whities.
 
2013-08-21 08:28:40 PM

Inchoate: WhyKnot: Why it is that anytime there is a black victim and white perpetrator (or Hispanic...close enough, right?) the 'black community' gets fired up, the media gets fired up, politicians get fired up...but switch the races and all of a sudden it is 'a tragedy for everyone involved'; now we need to try to understand how such sweet and loving kids could commit such an unspeakable crime.

Things like the Trayvon Martin killing, stop and frisk, etc. follow archetypal pattern of discrimination and oppression. Seeing a young black man as a walking incarnation of danger, and overreacting to that impulse, is a depressingly common incident in American history. So people get very touchy when a news event occurs that might fit that pattern, even if they do end up being wrong sometimes. Ask a black friend about this sometime - they can explain better than I can.

There's not as much of an established racist pattern to the flip-side of those incidents. White people are *definitely* not oppressed by the system; although they are targeted from time to time by jackass racist criminals, and although the media does occasionally pussyfoot around black-on-white hate crimes to annoying effect, it is not even close to the epidemic the Stormfront fanboys would have you believe.

Also, one of the murderers in this case was actually a white kid, which some of the racist agenda-pushers are aggressively ignoring. That matters too.


Thank you.
 
2013-08-21 08:33:55 PM
Death Penalty...get err done.
 
2013-08-21 08:36:19 PM

Inchoate: Also, one of the murderers in this case was actually a white kid, which some of the racist agenda-pushers are aggressively ignoring. That matters too.


I have a cousin who grew up in a 'black' neighborhood.  He picked up the habits, and is now a felon.  It's not the race, it's the localized culture.
 
2013-08-21 08:41:55 PM

beakgeek: So we need to get a group of people in jogging sweats, and a baseball cap with pictures of Chris Lane saying "I am Chris Lane" and get the media to cover it.


You idiots need to stop with your faux-outrage.

Do you honestly think that these pieces of shiat will not be prosecuted to the full extent of the law commensurate to their culpability in this obscenely callous crime? No? So then you're just butthurt because the media won't bend over backwards to make the victim's race a convenient platform for your own barely concealed racism.

I know, I know: I'm the real racist.
 
2013-08-21 08:43:41 PM

MagSeven: It couldn't have been because poor and biased media coverage stirred parts of the nation into an outrage could it? It's not like he's America's leader and may have to comment and take a stance on divisive issues? Obammy just decided to fark with the legal system for shiats and giggles and black pride, right?


Really?

Maybe something presidential like "I know some of you feel outrage at these events, but I encourage you to let the justice system do what it was meant to do.  I have asked the Attorney General to closely watch this case to insure that all parties, both the guilty and the innocent, receive fair treatment under the law".

No, we got "If I had a son he would look like Trayvon".  It would have been comical if it wasn't so pathetic.
 
2013-08-21 08:46:10 PM

lantawa: That captioned pic that you just posted, SIR, is tantamount to a total intellectual surrender.  I accept your surrender.


In what world? You never came close to answering my question.
 
2013-08-21 08:56:40 PM

Witness99: Carth: Witness99: This isn't about guns. This is about lack of family structure, lack of fathers for boys, parents that are either too busy or don't give a shiat. When you pop out little humans, somebody needs to provide them a wealth of love, attention and guidance. I don't think that happens very much anymore. So we get little psychopaths that could have also jumped the guy and beat him to death with rocks.

That is what happens when you don't offer comprehensive sex education, stigmatize and make it difficult to obtain abortions and don't provide new parent counseling to new parents on how to raise children.

I was a poor kid. I was raised by a single mom who worked three jobs (waitress, cocktail waitress, stripper in a bowling alley).


Now there's a more interesting thread.
 
2013-08-21 09:07:48 PM

AngryDragon: Vectron: Justice for Trayvon!!!

James Edwards, arrested for the murder tweeted....


[dailycaller.com image 460x277]

"Woods" is a derogatory term for white people.

Duncan police chief Dan Ford said he had not yet seen Edwards' social media activities.
"I don't think there'd be any further charge," he told The Daily Caller in a phone interview when asked if Edwards' activities warranted any sort of hate crime charge. "I'm not discounting the stuff that's on there, but they do that for shock and effect."


"90% of white ppl are nasty. #HATE THEM."

Justice for Trayvon!!!

Can somebody translate that tweet into English?


I believe I can.

"I sucker punched five white people because I'm angry about the Zimmerman verdict. Do I feel bad about it? Nope, because I'm a hard pipin' ni*ger gangster mother fu*ker."

I like how the police chief said he thinks the tweets and facebook posts are just for "shock and effect". Pus*y.

See you guys in seven days.
 
2013-08-21 09:10:00 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: italie: I'm bored with these kids already. To hell with the trial, just skip that part and given the chair.


//They'll understand, right?

They're all under age.  NO death penalty for teens. Most they can get is life without parole.



I'm bored with that rule. Let 'em fry.
 
2013-08-21 09:14:18 PM
It's the Racist Apologists v. the People who Really See Reality for what It Is!. Tonight on Family Feud!

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2013-08-21 09:23:18 PM

Vectron: funmonger: Vectron: I don't know how to make it more clear. Please reread my statement and consider the actions of the parties I cite.

You can make it clear by pointing out which specific action by parties accused directly led to these punks killing the Australian.

It's cumulative. The narrative instantly seized on by the media was that justice was not carried out for reasons of race. Specifically the doctored audio from NBC which attempted to portray Zimmerman incorrectly as a racist. How about the photos chosen by the media to create the impression of Martin as a cherubic child rather than what he was? I could go on and on. The din created by the media and the race hustlers finally forced an arrest and trial. The trial ended with a predicable result.
Rather than accept the verdict, Eric (my people) Holder promised an investigation into the trial. The new Ebony magazine covers promote the incorrect impression that Martin died for merely being black and wearing a hoodie.
All of these and more created an atmosphere of grievance that has led to many crimes against whites.

Police in Baltimore are looking into an incident that took place on Sunday, when a group of black youths allegedly beat a Hispanic man while saying, "This is for Trayvon."

Teen Charged With Hate Crime, Says He Was Mad About Trayvon Martin

The reported beating in Gainesville of a white man by a group of black men who yelled "Trayvon" before the attack last week resonated on the Internet on Tuesday....

There are more.


More anecdotes. None of these show that Holder et al are directly responsible for the Australian's murder any more than the Sarah Palin's "Don't retreat, reload!" rhetoric is directly responsible for the crazed actions of a Sikh-temple murderer or the attempt on Gabby Gifford's life.

What you have are assumptions: Assumptions that the cover of Ebony commanded black people attack white people. I asked you if you could make it clear by pointing out which specific action by parties accused directly led to these punks killing the Australian. You responded with more anecdotes - and as we know, the plural of "anecdote" is not "data" - and follow with "All of these and more created an atmosphere of grievance that has led to many crimes against whites".

That is not a specific action by parties accused which directly led to those punks killing the Australian. 

Face it. The media isn't responsible. Eric Holder isn't responsible. These poor-impulse-control motherfarkers are responsible.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT TRAYVON MARTIN.
 
2013-08-21 09:24:52 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: It's the Racist Apologists v. the People who Really See Reality for what It Is!. Tonight on Family Feud!

[img109.imageshack.us image 568x320]


No, it isn't.
 
2013-08-21 09:25:31 PM

funmonger: Lt. Cheese Weasel: It's the Racist Apologists v. the People who Really See Reality for what It Is!. Tonight on Family Feud!

[img109.imageshack.us image 568x320]

No, it isn't.


Yes, it is.
 
2013-08-21 09:27:14 PM

I Browse: Magnanimous_J:

If a suicide bomber in Bagdad kills a bunch of people on a bus, it is reasonable to lay some of that blame on the community that brought him up and influenced him. People aren't raised in a vacuum. Likewise, if an appallingly high amount of violent crime comes from a very small segment of the population, it's reasonable to say "Hey! What the fark is wrong with you?" to that segment.


Can I assume that you're consistent with this line of reasoning? For example...child molesters. If a small segment of the population commits the vast majority of sex crimes against children, do you lay some of the blame on the community that they came from? Or do you treat molesters as individuals who acted on their own free will?


Absolutely. But before I give you the satisfaction of your "a-HA!" moment, pedophilia, like domestic abuse, is very evenly distributed over all cultures, ethnicity, and socioeconomic strata. If it seems like white people do the majority of the kiddie diddling, its only because its grossly under-reported in minority communities (probably due to a well deserved distrust for police) and in foreign cultures.

But white culture doesn't tolerate child molestation. It happens in white areas, of course, but doing it makes you the lowest of the low. Whereas violence in Black communities is tolerated and expected, defended and glorified in their culture.
 
2013-08-21 09:27:56 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Yes, it is.


Who's the racist apologist?
 
2013-08-21 09:30:23 PM

Magnanimous_J: Whereas violence in Black communities is tolerated and expected, defended and glorified in their culture.


Do you even know any black people? HINT: What you see on TV isn't always representative of a "culture".

My own family's culture was "Stay in school, Stay out of jail". They're black.
 
2013-08-21 09:35:18 PM

funmonger: That is not a specific action by parties accused which directly led to those punks killing the Australian.

Face it. The media isn't responsible. Eric Holder isn't responsible. These poor-impulse-control motherfarkers are responsible.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT TRAYVON MARTIN.



"AAYEEE, I knocked out 5 woods since Zimmerman Court! : )"

You're not making sense. I have nothing further to say to you.
 
2013-08-21 09:36:22 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Lt. Cheese Weasel: funmonger: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Yes, it is.

Who's the racist apologist?

Everyone on this thread who says this murder wasn't racially motivated. Got it? Read these punks Facebook pages, their tweets and if you still think it wasn't, then you're an idiot. Do your own homework, moran.

And to finish it off, if you actually think these 3 pieces of shiat would have done the same thing to some random black jogger going down the street, then you are dumber than a box of rocks. It's that simple.


HEY EVERYONE: Strawmen are much easier to attack than real people!!! Check it out!!!
 
2013-08-21 09:37:02 PM

Vectron: You're not making sense. I have nothing further to say to you.


You got nothin'.
 
2013-08-21 09:41:15 PM
"No person shall knowingly engage in conduct designed to urge or incite another to commit any offense of violence."
 
2013-08-21 09:42:40 PM

Vectron: "No person shall knowingly engage in conduct designed to urge or incite another to commit any offense of violence."


Okay. Are you gonna apply that to this situation, or are you a chickenshiat like your buddy Cheese Weasel?
 
2013-08-21 09:44:21 PM

funmonger: Magnanimous_J: Whereas violence in Black communities is tolerated and expected, defended and glorified in their culture.

Do you even know any black people? HINT: What you see on TV isn't always representative of a "culture".

My own family's culture was "Stay in school, Stay out of jail". They're black.


That's the same as saying global warming doesn't exist because it was 70 degrees outside for me today in august. If you are black and Don't see that mainstream black culture is separatist and glorifies gang violence you are either in denial or being willfully ignorant.
 
2013-08-21 09:44:38 PM
Pls stop quoting funmonger and he will go away. Once the attention dies, so too does his reason for being here.
 
2013-08-21 09:46:51 PM

funmonger: None of these show that Holder et al are directly responsible for the Australian's murder any more than the Sarah Palin's "Don't retreat, reload!" rhetoric is directly responsible for the crazed actions of a Sikh-temple murderer or the attempt on Gabby Gifford's life.


Holy shiat, do you even remember those threads? This is nowhere near the level that they got to. At least most of the people in this thread are farking around and simply making fun of the media circus behind the Zimmerman trial. The nuts in those Gifford threads were serious.
 
2013-08-21 09:48:36 PM
dailycaller.com

cdn3.independent.ie
 
2013-08-21 09:49:08 PM

AngryDragon: That's the same as saying global warming doesn't exist because it was 70 degrees outside for me today in august. If you are black and Don't see that mainstream black culture is separatist and glorifies gang violence you are either in denial or being willfully ignorant.


I could say the same about "Whit Culture" pretty easily. Let me tell you something that I know is true:

There is no such thing as "Black Culture"... any more than such a thing as "White Culture". You know any Italians? Any Portuguese people? You gonna tell me they have the same "culture"? Same goes for a Brooklynite and a New Orleanser. 

What you think of as Black Culture seems to be rap videos and gangster movies. Those are products of a multimilliondollar industry that ain't run by black people.
 
2013-08-21 09:51:00 PM

umad: Holy shiat, do you even remember those threads? This is nowhere near the level that they got to.


No doubt. I bet they were pretty maddening. I missed them. I'm in this thread, though.
 
2013-08-21 09:57:56 PM
funmonger:
What you think of as Black Culture seems to be rap videos and gangster movies. Those are products of a multimilliondollar industry that ain't run by black people.

I don't know much about the rap industry. I thought Jay-z, Sean Combs and Dr. Dre were three of the biggest producers. Is that not the case? Who is running the rap industry these days?
 
2013-08-21 10:03:38 PM

Carth: funmonger:
What you think of as Black Culture seems to be rap videos and gangster movies. Those are products of a multimilliondollar industry that ain't run by black people.

I don't know much about the rap industry. I thought Jay-z, Sean Combs and Dr. Dre were three of the biggest producers. Is that not the case? Who is running the rap industry these days?


Da Jews!!!

/sadly, some people see this as reality
//Illinois Nazis among them
 
2013-08-21 10:17:50 PM

Carth: I don't know much about the rap industry. I thought Jay-z, Sean Combs and Dr. Dre were three of the biggest producers. Is that not the case? Who is running the rap industry these days?


They're big producers, in the sense of finding talent and mixing music. They don't run the music industry, not even the hiphop music industry. Suits run the industry.
 
2013-08-21 10:19:41 PM

FrancoFile: Da Jews!!!

/sadly, some people see this as reality
//Illinois Nazis among them


I googled "Who runs the Rap Industry" for lulz and "The Jews!" doesn't even rank. It's all the Illuminati, apparently.

/Suits.
 
2013-08-21 10:23:51 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Pls stop quoting funmonger and he will go away. Once the attention dies, so too does his reason for being here.


Two monks were traveling together, an older monk and a younger monk.  They noticed a young woman at the edge of a stream, afraid to cross.  The older monk picked her up, carried her across the stream and put her down safely on the other side.  The younger monk was astonished, but he didn't say anything until their journey was over.  "Why did you carry that woman across the stream?  Monks aren't supposed to touch any member of the opposite sex." said the younger monk.  The older monk replied "I left her at the edge of the river, are you still carrying her?"
 
2013-08-21 10:27:27 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: funmonger: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Yes, it is.

Who's the racist apologist?

Everyone on this thread who says this murder wasn't racially motivated. Got it? Read these punks Facebook pages, their tweets and if you still think it wasn't, then you're an idiot. Do your own homework, moran.


Oh please, Black people arn't racist, they won't even admit they are racist even if they say "I will kill crackers". Nope not racist at all, black people are opressed.
 
2013-08-21 10:31:28 PM

Misconduc: Oh please, Black people arn't racist, they won't even admit they are racist even if they say "I will kill crackers". Nope not racist at all, black people are opressed.


Black people ARE racist sometimes.
Black people ARE oppressed, you moron.
 
2013-08-21 10:42:36 PM
Magnanimous_J:

Absolutely. But before I give you the satisfaction of your "a-HA!" moment, pedophilia, like domestic abuse, is very evenly distributed over all cultures, ethnicity, and socioeconomic strata. If it seems like white people do the majority of the kiddie diddling, its only because its grossly under-reported in minority communities (probably due to a well deserved distrust for police) and in foreign cultures.

But white culture doesn't tolerate child molestation. It happens in white areas, of course, but doing it makes you the lowest of the low. Whereas violence in Black communities is tolerated and expected, defended and glorified in their culture.



You know...I learn more about black culture here on Fark than I have in 41 years of being a black person in America. Apparently I'm all about violence, government handouts, lack of personal responsibility, race baiting, underachievement, and fat white girls...and I didn't even know it!

Thanks Farkkk!
 
2013-08-21 10:47:37 PM
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2013-08-21 10:50:56 PM

I Browse: You know...I learn more about black culture here on Fark than I have in 41 years of being a black person in America. Apparently I'm all about violence, government handouts, lack of personal responsibility, race baiting, underachievement, and fat white girls...and I didn't even know it!


Uncle Tom, huh?
 
2013-08-21 10:54:39 PM
Trolls should kill themselves online more.
 
2013-08-21 11:12:09 PM
 img.fark.net

$100, a plaid shirt, and a busted iPhone.  Now THAT'S gangsta.

img.youtube.com
 
2013-08-21 11:18:50 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: I Browse: You know...I learn more about black culture here on Fark than I have in 41 years of being a black person in America. Apparently I'm all about violence, government handouts, lack of personal responsibility, race baiting, underachievement, and fat white girls...and I didn't even know it!

Uncle Tom, huh?


Nah. I'm just not a walking stereotype. There's a difference.
 
2013-08-22 12:14:38 AM
What the fark am I reading?
 
2013-08-22 12:37:24 AM
cdn-media.hollywood.com
 
2013-08-22 12:56:01 AM
When kids in russia are bored, they do this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHJXKwgvCiQ
 
2013-08-22 01:04:13 AM
When kids are bored in Russia, they also make vids like "3 guys 1 hammer".
 
2013-08-22 01:25:44 AM

funmonger: When kids are bored in Russia, they also make vids like "3 guys 1 hammer".


Were those guys bored? I thought they were trying to get rich off the videos or something; serial killer material.
 
2013-08-22 01:47:33 AM

justaguy516: Were those guys bored? I thought they were trying to get rich off the videos or something; serial killer material.


From the wiki entry:
Regional security chief Ivan Stupak rejected the claim that the murders were committed to make Internet snuff videos, saying that there was no evidence of this.
Detective Bogdan Vlasenko stated: "We think they were doing it as a hobby, to have a collection of memories when they get old." Deputy interior minister Nikolay Kupyanskiy commented "For these young men, murder was like entertainment or hunting."
 
2013-08-22 04:03:24 AM
"if I had a son, it would look like these 3"
-obama
 
2013-08-22 05:03:19 AM

AngryDragon: MagSeven: It couldn't have been because poor and biased media coverage stirred parts of the nation into an outrage could it? It's not like he's America's leader and may have to comment and take a stance on divisive issues? Obammy just decided to fark with the legal system for shiats and giggles and black pride, right?

Really?

Maybe something presidential like "I know some of you feel outrage at these events, but I encourage you to let the justice system do what it was meant to do.  I have asked the Attorney General to closely watch this case to insure that all parties, both the guilty and the innocent, receive fair treatment under the law".

No, we got "If I had a son he would look like Trayvon".  It would have been comical if it wasn't so pathetic.


Really?

Learn about context and quoting more than a single soundbite out of a speech. Then get back to us.

Really.
 
2013-08-22 05:15:53 AM

I Browse: Magnanimous_J:

Absolutely. But before I give you the satisfaction of your "a-HA!" moment, pedophilia, like domestic abuse, is very evenly distributed over all cultures, ethnicity, and socioeconomic strata. If it seems like white people do the majority of the kiddie diddling, its only because its grossly under-reported in minority communities (probably due to a well deserved distrust for police) and in foreign cultures.

But white culture doesn't tolerate child molestation. It happens in white areas, of course, but doing it makes you the lowest of the low. Whereas violence in Black communities is tolerated and expected, defended and glorified in their culture.


You know...I learn more about black culture here on Fark than I have in 41 years of being a black person in America. Apparently I'm all about violence, government handouts, lack of personal responsibility, race baiting, underachievement, and fat white girls...and I didn't even know it!

Thanks Farkkk!


I know! I've been lacking my monthly allotment of fat white women and free government cheese for my entire life! Does Fark do reparations for that? I guess I should slap my best friend and my GF (100 lbs (probably 15 in the tits)) around because they're white. Just hate-crime/black rage the shiat out of them. I've been angry without even knowing it and I've got some catchin' up to do!
/and fark these kids who did this. Put them down because they're animals, not because they're black/mixed animals. As an American (well, dual citizenship), this sort of shiat is embarrassing to all of us.
 
2013-08-22 06:05:50 AM

dr.zaeus: [i.imgur.com image 669x727]

$100, a plaid shirt, and a busted iPhone.  Now THAT'S gangsta.


looks like he has a bit of the 'potato counter' in that pic
 
2013-08-22 06:26:58 AM

MagSeven: AngryDragon: MagSeven: It couldn't have been because poor and biased media coverage stirred parts of the nation into an outrage could it? It's not like he's America's leader and may have to comment and take a stance on divisive issues? Obammy just decided to fark with the legal system for shiats and giggles and black pride, right?

Really?

Maybe something presidential like "I know some of you feel outrage at these events, but I encourage you to let the justice system do what it was meant to do.  I have asked the Attorney General to closely watch this case to insure that all parties, both the guilty and the innocent, receive fair treatment under the law".

No, we got "If I had a son he would look like Trayvon".  It would have been comical if it wasn't so pathetic.

Really?

Learn about context and quoting more than a single soundbite out of a speech. Then get back to us.

Really.


"I can only imagine what these parents are going through," Mr. Obama said from the White House Rose Garden, "and when I think about this boy, I think about my own kids, and I think every parent in America should be able to understand why it is absolutely imperative that we investigate every aspect of this and that everybody pulls together, federal, state and local, to figure out how this tragedy happened.  You know, if I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon," Mr. Obama said.

Yup, that's no better.  The "boy" who attacked a man forcing him to defend himself with lethal force.  No bias there whatsoever.
 
2013-08-22 06:48:52 AM

AngryDragon: MagSeven: AngryDragon: MagSeven: It couldn't have been because poor and biased media coverage stirred parts of the nation into an outrage could it? It's not like he's America's leader and may have to comment and take a stance on divisive issues? Obammy just decided to fark with the legal system for shiats and giggles and black pride, right?

Really?

Maybe something presidential like "I know some of you feel outrage at these events, but I encourage you to let the justice system do what it was meant to do.  I have asked the Attorney General to closely watch this case to insure that all parties, both the guilty and the innocent, receive fair treatment under the law".

No, we got "If I had a son he would look like Trayvon".  It would have been comical if it wasn't so pathetic.

Really?

Learn about context and quoting more than a single soundbite out of a speech. Then get back to us.

Really.

"I can only imagine what these parents are going through," Mr. Obama said from the White House Rose Garden, "and when I think about this boy, I think about my own kids, and I think every parent in America should be able to understand why it is absolutely imperative that we investigate every aspect of this and that everybody pulls together, federal, state and local, to figure out how this tragedy happened.  You know, if I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon," Mr. Obama said.

Yup, that's no better.  The "boy" who attacked a man forcing him to defend himself with lethal force.  No bias there whatsoever.


"You're a teenager, especially a teenage boy, you're going to mess up," said Obama. "You won't always have the best judgement. But what I think all of us agree to is that we should have a criminal justice system that's fair, that's just. "

"What I'm trying to do is just make sure that we have a conversation and that we're all asking ourselves are there some things that we can do to foster better understanding and to make sure that we don't have laws in place that encourage the kind of violent encounter that we saw there that resulted in tragedy," said Obama.


Picking and choosing quotes is farking easy, man. Get a good nights sleep. I'll try to fight my apparent genetic disposition to rob and kill you and/or those you love in the meantime.
 
2013-08-22 06:50:32 AM
So if Obama got bored could he nuke Oklahoma?
 
2013-08-22 07:02:19 AM

MagSeven: Picking and choosing quotes is farking easy, man. Get a good nights sleep. I'll try to fight my apparent genetic disposition to rob and kill you and/or those you love in the meantime.


Those quotes are STILL no better.  With no knowledge he calls what turned out to be aggravated assault "messing up" and suggests that we "don't need laws in place" like that.  That didn't set the tone for the subsequent year at all, no sirree.

Thanks, I appreciate your comments by the way.  I'll also try to fight my apparent genetic disposition not go all white-devil profiler on the next black teen I see as well.
 
2013-08-22 07:05:26 AM

AngryDragon: MagSeven: Picking and choosing quotes is farking easy, man. Get a good nights sleep. I'll try to fight my apparent genetic disposition to rob and kill you and/or those you love in the meantime.

Those quotes are STILL no better.  With no knowledge he calls what turned out to be aggravated assault "messing up" and suggests that we "don't need laws in place" like that.  That didn't set the tone for the subsequent year at all, no sirree.

Thanks, I appreciate your comments by the way.  I'll also try to fight my apparent genetic disposition not go all white-devil profiler on the next black teen I see as well.


Yeah. And as per your original post, Obama did not interfere "SOLELY" because he was a black man and Trayvon was black as well. That's farking ignorant to the way politics and those who pull the strings work. I've seen your posts. You've always seemed a bit smarter and better than that.
 
2013-08-22 08:07:28 AM

FrancoFile: Agent Nick Fury: If you truly want justice, don't just march for it - start doing something about it.

I know it takes courage because snitches moral, law-abiding citizens get stitches but it's your fear that is letting these young people die in the streets.

Let's start by destigmatizing cooperation with the police and prosecutors when an obvious crime has been committed.


And also with police protecting witnesses which they tend to not do once those witnesses are no longer needed.
 
2013-08-22 08:22:27 AM

funmonger: Lt. Cheese Weasel: It's the Racist Apologists v. the People who Really See Reality for what It Is!. Tonight on Family Feud!

[img109.imageshack.us image 568x320]

No, it isn't.


Yes it is, it was proven early on in this thread, only a racial apologist would pretend it didn't.
 
2013-08-22 08:31:43 AM
It's amusing to see the white Fark Conservatives who like to claim that race is not a factor, that racism doesn't exist and play the racial apologist role when the victim is black, then do a total 180 when the victim is white and some of the perpetrators are black and accuse others of being the racial apologists.
 
2013-08-22 08:42:01 AM

MagSeven: AngryDragon: tinyarena: farkingismybusiness
Obama
Loaf's Tray
Obama
IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T
Obama
HAMMERTOE
Obama
MilesTeg
Obama

So,  three black kids kill a white man in Oklahoma, and you bring in the President of the United States.
Why?  Because he is a black man of course.

rac·ism
/ˈrāˌsizəm/
Noun
The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race.

Well Congratulations!  you're all racists.  But you knew that.

So does that mean that the President of the United States unilaterally intervening in the previous case solely because the accused is black and he is a black man make him a racist?

I'll agree with your logic if that's what you're saying.

It couldn't have been because poor and biased media coverage stirred parts of the nation into an outrage could it? It's not like he's America's leader and may have to comment and take a stance on divisive issues? Obammy just decided to fark with the legal system for shiats and giggles and black pride, right?


Precisely.  His stance on divisive issues as America's leader should not be predicated on his affinity for people of a certain skin color "cuz they look like my kids".  So many people were calling for Zimmerman's head on a pike before anyone actually knew anything because of race-baiting crap like this (and I'm no fan of Zim's either, mind you - he's at least socially culpable for what happened, if not legally) - what chance does one fat Latino stand against the President of the United States and his mighty Army of Angry Persons of Color that Look Just Like His Kids?  I don't think it has anything to do with "shiats and giggles", Obama's just that much of an unapologetic racist...
 
2013-08-22 10:36:32 AM
I feel sad for this Australian guy. He gets killed and all you morons want to talk about is Obama and Trayvon.

No wonder so many of you have such trouble in the real world: you don't actually live there. You'll do anything to protect your delusions, lying to yourselves and the rest of the world as if you have jedi mind-trick powers. 

No points, no logic, no reason... just a bunch of shiat tumbling out that asshole you call a mouth.

Well, enjoy your civil war, retards. We who live in the real world will keep trying to make sense of it while you flail in the gutter, screeching at passersby while you wallow in sewage.
 
2013-08-22 10:38:05 AM

MilesTeg: Not surprising that most media outlets thought a clown wearing an Obama mask was more of crime and outrage.


Why are you bringing Mitt "Mandatory Healthcare" Romney into this?
 
2013-08-22 10:39:01 AM

Loaf's Tray: Obama's just that much of an unapologetic racist...


As long as were shiatting out nonsense, you're obviously a Nazi pedophile.
 
2013-08-22 10:41:01 AM

AngryDragon: MagSeven: AngryDragon: MagSeven: It couldn't have been because poor and biased media coverage stirred parts of the nation into an outrage could it? It's not like he's America's leader and may have to comment and take a stance on divisive issues? Obammy just decided to fark with the legal system for shiats and giggles and black pride, right?

Really?

Maybe something presidential like "I know some of you feel outrage at these events, but I encourage you to let the justice system do what it was meant to do.  I have asked the Attorney General to closely watch this case to insure that all parties, both the guilty and the innocent, receive fair treatment under the law".

No, we got "If I had a son he would look like Trayvon".  It would have been comical if it wasn't so pathetic.

Really?

Learn about context and quoting more than a single soundbite out of a speech. Then get back to us.

Really.

"I can only imagine what these parents are going through," Mr. Obama said from the White House Rose Garden, "and when I think about this boy, I think about my own kids, and I think every parent in America should be able to understand why it is absolutely imperative that we investigate every aspect of this and that everybody pulls together, federal, state and local, to figure out how this tragedy happened.  You know, if I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon," Mr. Obama said.

Yup, that's no better.  The "boy" who attacked a man forcing him to defend himself with lethal force.  No bias there whatsoever.


Yes, calling for officials to investigate what happened...truly, he's history's greatest monster.
 
2013-08-22 10:42:47 AM

AngryDragon: Thanks, I appreciate your comments by the way.  I'll also try to fight my apparent genetic disposition not go all white-devil profiler on the next black teen I see as well.


You're such a victim of prejudice.
 
2013-08-22 10:51:44 AM

kc278: beakgeek: So we need to get a group of people in jogging sweats, and a baseball cap with pictures of Chris Lane saying "I am Chris Lane" and get the media to cover it.

You idiots need to stop with your faux-outrage.

Do you honestly think that these pieces of shiat will not be prosecuted to the full extent of the law commensurate to their culpability in this obscenely callous crime? No? So then you're just butthurt because the media won't bend over backwards to make the victim's race a convenient platform for your own barely concealed racism.

I know, I know: I'm the real racist.


Dipshiat......I was being sarcastic.  Go put some salve on your butt hurt self.
 
2013-08-22 10:56:24 AM

funmonger: Loaf's Tray: Obama's just that much of an unapologetic racist...

As long as were shiatting out nonsense, you're obviously a Nazi pedophile.


Nice rebuttal...why not go right for the throat and call me a big doody-head, too?
 
2013-08-22 11:17:05 AM

Loaf's Tray: Nice rebuttal...why not go right for the throat and call me a big doody-head, too?


There is no rebuttal to a bald assertion. You're not interested in reason.

See, what you were supposed to do it build premises and come to a conclusion. Those premises must be correct for your conclusion to be correct. All you did was make a pile of assertions and conclude that Obama was a racist.

So go fark an infant, ya pedo.
 
2013-08-22 11:19:10 AM
I can see why it looks very much like a "strawman argument".  My larger point is thus:

There is an unspoken acceptance the there must be "allowances" made for black people to behave badly because they are somehow culturally or genetically incapable of getting over ancient history. This, in my mind is the most vile and unforgivable form of racism possible. These days, the only thing holding black people back is their fellow black people, telling them that they're "victims". The entire Trayvon Martin fiasco is a direct result of this mentality. Martin was only one of thousands of black youths that Zimmerman saw on the streets. Zimmerman wasn't suspicious of Martin because of his color, but because of his actions. But, to some people, it's just *got* to be because of his color, because of their desperate need to cling to their victimhood. And, lo and behold, Martin did indeed confirm Zimmerman's suspicions, and more. He went straight from "suspected burglar" to "confirmed attacker". Had he just told Zimmerman to kiss his ass, and that he had every right to be on that street as anybody else, he'd still be alive today. But no, there was a beat-down to be delivered in his estimation, and he wasn't going to waste the opportunity.

As for Obama, what murders does he comment upon? Only the ones that fit neatly into advancing his political agenda. Sandy Hook. Aurora. Zimmerman-Martin, because of the racial connotations, and the aforementioned rationalization. On this murder, which would be only natural for him to issue a statement on, since the victim is a citizen of another country, he doesn't appear to have much to say.

What does all of that have to do with this case? Exactly nothing. But, like I said, if it came out that Christopher Lane had said something racist about or to them, the racial circus would be in full effect, rationalizing their actions kin light of their "black rage" and you damn well know it. The politics of rationalization that Sharpton and Jackson hide behind, (yet make use of when it's in their favor,) guarantees it.

Straw man? Maybe. But only to illustrate the larger point.
 
2013-08-22 11:20:24 AM

funmonger: AngryDragon: Thanks, I appreciate your comments by the way.  I'll also try to fight my apparent genetic disposition not go all white-devil profiler on the next black teen I see as well.

You're such a victim of prejudice.


So you can dish it out but you can't take it. Fark off.
 
2013-08-22 11:26:29 AM
It's like some of you really wish you were oppressed, so you'd have something to whine about... so you do it anyway, and you hope nobody notices you're full of shiat.

Like, you really want this to be as controversial as the TV/GZ affair, but it's cut and dry: These kids are going to jail for a thrill kill. Obama had nothing to do with it, and your hamfisted attempt to connect the cases - and Obama, crazily enough - fail on the most basic levels of reasoning. You might as well start talking about how video games make kids kill, Sarah Palin makes church shooters kill, and homosexuality is why we got Hurricane Katrina.

These kids were bloodthirsty sociopaths. It happens. They weren't given permission to kill from Obama any more than Berkowitz got permission to kill from his dog.

Obama is not a racist. You just fear him, is all. It's okay. Thereapy is available.
 
2013-08-22 11:40:23 AM

HAMMERTOE: There is an unspoken acceptance the there must be "allowances" made for black people to behave badly because they are somehow culturally or genetically incapable of getting over ancient history.


I WISH!

HAMMERTOE: This, in my mind is the most vile and unforgivable form of racism possible. These days, the only thing holding black people back is their fellow black people, telling them that they're "victims".


What. Bullshiat!
http://www.chicagobooth.edu/capideas/spring03/racialbias.html

HAMMERTOE: The entire Trayvon Martin fiasco is a direct result of this mentality. Martin was only one of thousands of black youths that Zimmerman saw on the streets. Zimmerman wasn't suspicious of Martin because of his color, but because of his actions. But, to some people, it's just *got* to be because of his color, because of their desperate need to cling to their victimhood. And, lo and behold, Martin did indeed confirm Zimmerman's suspicions, and more.


Still arguing about Trayvon? WTF does this have to do with the dead Australian?

HAMMERTOE: He went straight from "suspected burglar" to "confirmed attacker". Had he just told Zimmerman to kiss his ass, and that he had every right to be on that street as anybody else, he'd still be alive today. But no, there was a beat-down to be delivered in his estimation, and he wasn't going to waste the opportunity.


You were there? Wow!

HAMMERTOE: As for Obama, what murders does he comment upon? Only the ones that fit neatly into advancing his political agenda. Sandy Hook. Aurora. Zimmerman-Martin, because of the racial connotations, and the aforementioned rationalization. On this murder, which would be only natural for him to issue a statement on, since the victim is a citizen of another country, he doesn't appear to have much to say.


So, when he makes a statement, you'll retract this political agenda allegation, right?

HAMMERTOE: What does all of that have to do with this case? Exactly nothing. But, like I said, if it came out that Christopher Lane had said something racist about or to them, the racial circus would be in full effect


THE RACIAL CIRCUS IS IN FULL EFFECT.

HAMMERTOE: rationalizing their actions kin light of their "black rage" and you damn well know it.

 The politics of rationalization that Sharpton and Jackson hide behind, (yet make use of when it's in their favor,) guarantees it. .

You made this up. You really, really want this to be true, and you've convinced yourself that you've go Jedi mind powers or something... you think that repeating it over and over again will make it happen, I guess. Not sure. You don't seem intent on providing any sort of reasoning other than "It Will Happen"

Jackson and Sharpton would NOT defend these three, even if Chris was in fact calling them all racially charged names in a phone call to his GF.

You have no interest in any rational argument. You're just making noise.

HAMMERTOE: Straw man? Maybe. But only to illustrate the larger point.


See?
 
2013-08-22 11:41:09 AM

umad: So you can dish it out but you can't take it. Fark off.


That made no sense.
 
2013-08-22 12:42:52 PM

funmonger: umad: So you can dish it out but you can't take it. Fark off.

That made no sense.


You have no problem with this:

MagSeven: I'll try to fight my apparent genetic disposition to rob and kill you and/or those you love in the meantime.


But have a problem when somebody sarcastically responds with this:

AngryDragon: I'll also try to fight my apparent genetic disposition not go all white-devil profiler on the next black teen I see as well.


Take your double standards and shove them up your ass.
 
2013-08-22 12:49:55 PM
I'm bored. Can I kill them?
 
2013-08-22 02:14:31 PM

umad: funmonger: umad: So you can dish it out but you can't take it. Fark off.

That made no sense.

You have no problem with this:

MagSeven: I'll try to fight my apparent genetic disposition to rob and kill you and/or those you love in the meantime.

But have a problem when somebody sarcastically responds with this:

AngryDragon: I'll also try to fight my apparent genetic disposition not go all white-devil profiler on the next black teen I see as well.

Take your double standards and shove them up your ass.


I actually missed that in MagSeven's reply.

So I'll surprise you with a retraction: My comment was uncalled for, given the context. It was inappropriate, and upon clarification, I regret it.

Cool?
 
2013-08-22 05:04:41 PM

funmonger: I use Angie's List all the time.


Is this a friend of yours?
 
2013-08-22 06:00:41 PM
I see the mods deleted my post.  Apparently satire suggesting that abortion is good for America since it's easier to kill blacks in the womb than killing them in prison is a little too deep for them.
 
2013-08-22 06:50:31 PM

MJMaloney187: funmonger: I use Angie's List all the time.

Is this a friend of yours?


WTF is that Angie's list shiat? I never said that, and have no idea what it means.

In regard to your inane, presumably thought to be hilariously sarcastic question: No. Why the fark would those dipshiats be friends of mine?

I ask rhetorically, because I assume you tried to insult me... which is weird, because insults ought to have some context. Just saying "Ha, these assholes are friends of yours!" make you sound stupid, not me.
 
2013-08-22 06:51:44 PM

Mouser: I see the mods deleted my post.  Apparently satire suggesting that abortion is good for America since it's easier to kill blacks in the womb than killing them in prison is a little too deep for them.


You confuse "Deep" with "Bigoted".
 
2013-08-22 06:52:30 PM
I mean that literally... the Race-y-ness tripped their alarm, I suspect.
 
2013-08-22 07:21:50 PM

metal_gear: I'm bored. Can I kill them?


If you want to go to prison, and you're a psychopath, sure.
 
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