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2013-08-21 03:18:33 PM  

I Browse: Magnanimous_J: I Browse: How about we only judge people as individuals?

If every person was born and raised in a vacuum, that would be a great plan. But there are interconnected issues that make your idea simplistic and naive.


Can you expand on this?


Prepare for an logic-free emotional appeal filled with horseshiat buzz-words like "priviledge".
 
2013-08-21 03:19:47 PM  
*a logic-free
 
2013-08-21 03:19:54 PM  

Agent Nick Fury: If you truly want justice, don't just march for it - start doing something about it.

I know it takes courage because snitches moral, law-abiding citizens get stitches but it's your fear that is letting these young people die in the streets.


Let's start by destigmatizing cooperation with the police and prosecutors when an obvious crime has been committed.
 
2013-08-21 03:20:21 PM  

AngryDragon: Egalitarian: When Zimmerman shot Martin to death, the cops just gave him a pass without seriously investigating.

Both the local police and the FBI stated that there was not enough evidence to bring charges much less convict.  Then the outrage began.  The Prosecutor even had to bypass the grand jury to even get it into court because the belief was that they would not vote to bring charges.  In the end there was not enough evidence to convict.  A year of cost and time wasted to come right back to the original conclusion all because some people got all butthurt about it.


And this was all because of race.
 
2013-08-21 03:21:49 PM  

Vectron: You can't make this shiat up.


No need to.  It's so common that it's news when the mother doesn't say something along those lines.

Witness99: I was a poor kid. I was raised by a single mom who worked three jobs (waitress, cocktail waitress, stripper in a bowling alley).


Not trying to be an ass or nothing, but the simple fact is that there's numerous indicators that lead to an increased rate of criminal shiat.  Poverty, broken families, poor schooling, it all leads into a interconnected pile of reinforcing intercorrelated suck and higher crime rates.

In short, it increases the odds from something like 1 in a million to 1 in 10k.  No matter how bad the family life, most people don't become serial killers, but 99.9% of serial killers came from a home with broken family life.

Galloping Galoshes: Citation please. The FBI Uniform Statistics say there's a 69% clearance rate on homicide, but they go on to define "clearance" as "when police have identified a perpetrator, have sufficient evidence to charge him, and actually take him into custody," or he dies or is already in custody.


Oddly placed line returns removed.  Still, the FBI Uniform Statistics include both 'competently' and 'incompetently' policed areas, depending on the original poster's personal definitions/reasonings.  I just know that 'most' murders in the USA are in 'incompetently' policed areas.
 
2013-08-21 03:28:17 PM  

Firethorn: Oddly placed line returns removed. Still, the FBI Uniform Statistics include both 'competently' and 'incompetently' policed areas, depending on the original poster's personal definitions/reasonings. I just know that 'most' murders in the USA are in 'incompetently' policed areas.


It copied funny and I hit "send" too fast.

Remember, before you commit murder, check the clearance rate in your FBI Uniform Statistics manual to make sure you're doing it in an "incompetently policed area."

Firethorn: I just know that 'most' murders in the USA are in 'incompetently' policed areas.


How do you "just know?"  Faith?  A feeling?  Definition of competency in an area by the number of murders in it?
 
2013-08-21 03:29:45 PM  

Agent Nick Fury: I live in Pittsburgh and two years ago there was a shooting at a youth softball tournament - they estimated there were over 60 people watching.

Happened right in the stands where everybody was sitting but when police got there nobody saw anything.

Then you had the city official interfering in the case where the baby was shot in Georgia and the shooters mother tried to dispose of the gun.

If you truly want justice, don't just march for it - start doing something about it.

I know it takes courage because snitches get stitches but it's your fear that is letting these young people die in the streets


Yeah, you want to know what the problem is?  This.  This is the problem.
 
2013-08-21 03:31:26 PM  
I am Chris Lane. Instead of making this about race, lets created legislation for safer gun ownership.

12 gauge is sitting next to my bed.
 
2013-08-21 03:32:04 PM  

Banned on the Run: Wow.  Just...wow.

My redlight from yesterday:  "You're a bored teenager. Do you a) play video games, b) get high, or c) shoot and kill a jogger?"

Guess that $5/mo. buys you something.

/I know, I know...call the wahmbulance.


Woohoo!!
Thank you TF gifter person!

/Dick Tracy was wrong when he said, "Whine doesn't pay."
 
2013-08-21 03:33:01 PM  

kcfarker: We are the laughing stock of the world because of idiots like this. If this story doesn't make you sick to your stomach, then you are part of the problem with our society today.


Your suggested solution would actually make us MORE of a laughing stock outside of places like North Korea, Saudi Arabia and such.

lantawa: Plus he was as innocent as the day is long.....


That's the thing.  Innocence isn't required.  All that's required is there not be enough evidence to successfully prosecute.  If I'm a prosecutor and I don't believe that I can convince 12 jurors that a person is guilty, why waste the resources taking it to trial?  If we're not taking it to trial, why have the police waste their resources arresting?  Etc...
 
2013-08-21 03:37:11 PM  

Cold_Sassy: Glad to see that AZ has the death penalty.  Let's hope they use it.


Let's hope they use it on the correct person, given that the Supreme Court has upheld convictions where the defense attorney was literally asleep in the courtroom.
 
2013-08-21 03:40:01 PM  
mouse fitzgerald: Misconduc: Vectron: Meanwhile, Ebony releases 4 different covers in September. What a pity party. Collect all 4!

Shouldn't white people be able to commemorate the victims of black on white crime?

You do that and every black person will scream racism calling for a boycott same old circle jerk because they are simply racist. Its the circle jerk we have to put up with unfortunately nobody is going to bother putting this kid that got killed photo on the cover of ESPN or any magazine, it would explode into boycotts and other crap causing some company to lose a ton of money which they don't want nor the negative attention. Fact is nobody cares unless its a black kid killed, its amazing how fast the NAACP and crew can start a racial war in a matter of minutes, mean while when a senseless killing like this goes on, nobody does a damn thing. Then again I think I read there has been over 600 african americans killed in united states SINCE the Zimmerman trial and not one thing has been said about it. One mother lost a child to a drive by few weeks ago and she couldn't get any media attention at all to find out who did the shooting. I think the local NAACP did a vile or whatever but that lasted 5 minutes, no media coverage..

The mother just had the baby a few months ago and loses it to senseless killing, there has been no suspects yet but its believed to be a gang iniation to shoot up a house just because it was previously rented by an "enemy gang member".


Had GZ been arrested and convicted (like these 3 kids will very likely be), it would have been a non-story.

I understand now, any white person who kills a black person regardless of evidence or JURY TRIAL, should be sentenced to prison regardless. Lets ignore all evidence and just convict whitey because black people say so. This is what you are saying?
Fact is there was nothing to investigate, Black people had Zimmerman guilty before the evidence, trial or Jury even were picked. Difference is Zimmerman was attacked and defended himself instead of taking a beating like a man, running away and calling the cops, or Martin could of Ran home.

In this case three BORED kids shot a man and killed him just because....... Nothing? No words were said the guy didnt look at them funny, they just killed him. Do you not see a difference here? There is Evidence, Trial and Jury for a reason.

If Martin didn't attack Zimmerman, you damn right zimmerman would be someones soap toy in prison right now, however it was already GUILTY! by the media, so why not just throw zimmerman in prison and be done with it?
 
2013-08-21 03:41:58 PM  

Galloping Galoshes: How do you "just know?" Faith? A feeling? Definition of competency in an area by the number of murders in it?


Don't want to try to nail down definitions too much; the statistics are a mess.  However, the reasoning behind my thinking:
1.  Most murderers are serial criminals.  Most victims are also serial criminals.
2.  A nasty percent of our murders are drug related(by/against dealers)
3.  Most violence(much of it over drugs) , including murders, tends to be confined to relatively small pieces of territory that I'll call 'Ghettos'
4.  'Ghettos' are the areas most controlled by gangs and such, ergo ineffective police protection

Somebody gets murdered in the ghetto - 'gang did it' and not much investigation.  Somebody murdered in the suburbs?  Massive amounts of police investigation.
 
2013-08-21 03:49:49 PM  

Magnanimous_J: For every Trayvon Martin incident, there are 17 crimes like this one. The media completely ignores most of them. The only reason we heard a word about this is because the victim was somewhat well-known as an athlete.


Next time you read some boo hoo jerk off piece about how much is sucks to when people look at you suspiciously, remember this story.

This is the normal, not the other way around.


Nice lies.
 
2013-08-21 03:50:57 PM  

Vectron: Magnanimous_J: For every Trayvon Martin incident, there are 17 crimes like this one. The media completely ignores most of them. The only reason we heard a word about this is because the victim was somewhat well-known as an athlete.


Next time you read some boo hoo jerk off piece about how much is sucks to when people look at you suspiciously, remember this story.

This is the normal, not the other way around.


This.


Nope.
 
2013-08-21 03:55:36 PM  

Vectron: Shouldn't white people be able to commemorate the victims of black on white crime?


Shouldn't White People know the difference between an Apple and an Orange?
 
2013-08-21 03:58:44 PM  

HAMMERTOE: mouse fitzgerald: To the people equating this to Trayvon Martin - are you trolling, or are you really that obtuse? ...

...A white kid getting killed by 3 black kids for fun is horrible, tragic, and meaningless, but it isn't remotely the same thing. There is absolutely zero chance that these 3 kids get away with this.

Had he been on a cell phone with his "girlfriend" and told her, "I'm being followed by three creepy-ass attractive, yada, yada, yada..."), the outcry would be deafening. Sharpie and Jackson would be on red-eye flights straight to fundraisers and wherever there are cameras within 50 miles of the still-drying blood stain, making excuses about how their actions were mitigated by "black rage", etc.


www.fotoblography.com
 
2013-08-21 04:01:59 PM  

mouse fitzgerald: If the 3 kids in this case had said "he was going to kill us, we had to shoot him" and the police didn't even arrest them or investigate their story - then yes, this case would be comparable to TM/GZ. Until then, pissing and moaning about how "every black person ... is simply racist" does nothing but show your own true feelings about race.


Had he been sitting on their collective chests, pummeling their collective faces with his fists, bouncing the back of their collective heads off the collective concrete sidewalk, you might have a coherent collective argument there. As it stands now, just alphabet soup.
 
2013-08-21 04:03:16 PM  
 
2013-08-21 04:06:05 PM  

funmonger: strawman.jpg


Funny, but the fact was, of the two, it was Martin who "profiled" Zimmerman, even going so far as to engage in hate speech in describing him tohis friend on the phone, which she was actually comfortable enough in their collective "victimhood" to repeat on the stand. Zimmerman followed Martin because of his actions, not because of his color. And, Martin apparently justified his suspicions.
 
2013-08-21 04:07:27 PM  

Banned on the Run: Banned on the Run: Wow.  Just...wow.

My redlight from yesterday:  "You're a bored teenager. Do you a) play video games, b) get high, or c) shoot and kill a jogger?"

Guess that $5/mo. buys you something.

/I know, I know...call the wahmbulance.

Woohoo!!
Thank you TF gifter person!

/Dick Tracy was wrong when he said, "Whine doesn't pay."


In fairness, there were several headlines yesterday, and a few today too.
 
2013-08-21 04:08:06 PM  

HAMMERTOE: funmonger: strawman.jpg

Funny, but the fact was, of the two, it was Martin who "profiled" Zimmerman, even going so far as to engage in hate speech in describing him tohis friend on the phone, which she was actually comfortable enough in their collective "victimhood" to repeat on the stand. Zimmerman followed Martin because of his actions, not because of his color. And, Martin apparently justified his suspicions.


Oh, come on.  "Creepy cracker following me" is 90% actions, 10% identity.
 
2013-08-21 04:10:33 PM  

HAMMERTOE: funmonger: strawman.jpg

Funny, but the fact was, of the two, it was Martin who "profiled" Zimmerman, even going so far as to engage in hate speech in describing him tohis friend on the phone, which she was actually comfortable enough in their collective "victimhood" to repeat on the stand. Zimmerman followed Martin because of his actions, not because of his color. And, Martin apparently justified his suspicions.


You know what a Strawman argument is, right?
 
2013-08-21 04:17:16 PM  

funmonger: You know what a Strawman argument is, right?


Of course.

FrancoFile: Oh, come on. "Creepy cracker following me" is 90% actions, 10% identity.


And 100% hate speech. Especially when followed by violence.
 
2013-08-21 04:37:18 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Of course.


Oh, I see. You're a troll. Got it.
 
2013-08-21 04:37:50 PM  

basemetal: Banned on the Run: Banned on the Run: Wow.  Just...wow.

My redlight from yesterday:  "You're a bored teenager. Do you a) play video games, b) get high, or c) shoot and kill a jogger?"

Guess that $5/mo. buys you something.

/I know, I know...call the wahmbulance.

Woohoo!!
Thank you TF gifter person!

/Dick Tracy was wrong when he said, "Whine doesn't pay."

In fairness, there were several headlines yesterday, and a few today too.


So I gathered from your boobies
 
2013-08-21 04:39:59 PM  

funmonger: Oh, I see. You're a troll. Got it.


Please. Argue the points, or don't.
 
2013-08-21 04:43:09 PM  
One thing that I do know is that "disgust speech" is a lot different than hate speech.  I'm just plain disgusted at the whole mess.  Sorry if that sometimes comes across as hate.  To be fair, I'm an equal opportunity disguster.
 
2013-08-21 04:44:11 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Please. Argue the points, or don't.

Had he been on a cell phone with his "girlfriend" and told her, "I'm being followed by three creepy-ass attractive, yada, yada, yada..."), the outcry would be deafening. Sharpie and Jackson would be on red-eye flights straight to fundraisers and wherever there are cameras within 50 miles of the still-drying blood stain, making excuses about how their actions were mitigated by "black rage", etc.

 

This is what's known as a "Strawman Argument", where one makes a false version of one's opponents and then attacks that version, in an attempt to sound reasonable.

You got any real points, or are you just here to shiat all over the thread?
 
2013-08-21 04:47:27 PM  

funmonger: This is what's known as a "Strawman Argument", where one makes a false version of one's opponents and then attacks that version, in an attempt to sound reasonable.

You got any real points, or are you just here to shiat all over the thread?


*Ahem* (I will paraphrase the prevailing argument in the Zimmerman case here for brevity.)

"Zimmerman PROFILED Martin, then stalked him! This means Zimmerman DESERVED the beatdown Martin decided he was going to get! Zimmerman DESERVED the fact that Martin was sitting in his chest, pummeling his face, bouncing his head off the concrete! Zimmerman had NO RIGHT to defend his self!"

Straw man, my ass.
 
2013-08-21 04:49:00 PM  
Another point: If Zimmerman had "no right" to follow Martin, in an attempt to maintain visual contact, why was he not charged with Stalking?
 
2013-08-21 04:50:16 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Another point: If Zimmerman had "no right" to follow Martin, in an attempt to maintain visual contact, why was he not charged with Stalking?


Man, you REALLY want this to be about Zimmerman.
 
2013-08-21 04:51:45 PM  
What I'm really getting at is that Sharpton and Jackson didn't take up Martin's case because he was "right"; it was because he was black, and they could find a rationalization to milk. Just like the rationalization I presented earlier, which would get their asses on a plane so quick it would create a sonic boom.
 
2013-08-21 04:52:43 PM  

funmonger: HAMMERTOE: funmonger: This is what's known as a "Strawman Argument", where one makes a false version of one's opponents and then attacks that version, in an attempt to sound reasonable.

You got any real points, or are you just here to shiat all over the thread?

*Ahem* (I will paraphrase the prevailing argument in the Zimmerman case here for brevity.)

"Zimmerman PROFILED Martin, then stalked him! This means Zimmerman DESERVED the beatdown Martin decided he was going to get! Zimmerman DESERVED the fact that Martin was sitting in his chest, pummeling his face, bouncing his head off the concrete! Zimmerman had NO RIGHT to defend his self!"

Straw man, my ass.

You just did it again, stupid.


Aren't you just a ray of sunshine.  You've added absolutely nothing to this thread but to insult people.  Who's the troll again?
 
2013-08-21 04:52:49 PM  
No, I don't want it to be about Zimmerman. But it's time to stop pretending it's about "justice" too.
 
2013-08-21 04:57:08 PM  
I can't wait for Obama to put his two cents in as well.

"The shooter could have been my son!"
 
2013-08-21 04:57:13 PM  

HAMMERTOE: What I'm really getting at is that Sharpton and Jackson didn't take up Martin's case because he was "right"; it was because he was black, and they could find a rationalization to milk. Just like the rationalization I presented earlier, which would get their asses on a plane so quick it would create a sonic boom.


That's not what you said. You said that they'd be on a plane to defend these killers if the victim had used a racist term for them on the phone to his girlfriend. That is a strawman argument. You literally made up a version of Sharpton and Jackson so you'd have some facsimile of outrage to bend your angst around.

Also, you keep making this about Martin and Zimmerman. It isn't about them.

Stop talking.
 
2013-08-21 04:57:55 PM  

mcicchi: Aren't you just a ray of sunshine.  You've added absolutely nothing to this thread but to insult people.  Who's the troll again?


Hey, cool. More strawmen. It's like a sport around here.
 
2013-08-21 04:59:25 PM  

HAMMERTOE: No, I don't want it to be about Zimmerman. But it's time to stop pretending it's about "justice" too.


Then why do you go on about it?

HAMMERTOE: I can't wait for Obama to put his two cents in as well.

"The shooter could have been my son!"


See?
 
2013-08-21 05:04:04 PM  

funmonger: HAMMERTOE: No, I don't want it to be about Zimmerman. But it's time to stop pretending it's about "justice" too.

Then why do you go on about it?

HAMMERTOE: I can't wait for Obama to put his two cents in as well.

"The shooter could have been my son!"

See?


Well, to be fair, Obama did open mouth and insert foot on more than one occasion in relation to the case in question.  Part of my disgust, if I might be allowed to experience that feeling. BTW, not an alt.  Just me. It's just me. My problem, if you will.
 
2013-08-21 05:07:59 PM  

lantawa: Well, to be fair, Obama did open mouth and insert foot on more than one occasion in relation to the case in question.  Part of my disgust, if I might be allowed to experience that feeling. BTW, not an alt.  Just me. It's just me. My problem, if you will.


I'm sure there's a thread or twelve that covered angles of the Martin/Zimmerman case. Unless it's relevant, rehashing them here is intellectual dishonesty at best, Trollshiattery at worst.

Is Martin/Zimmerman relevant here, in regard to this case?

 How?
 
2013-08-21 05:09:01 PM  

I Browse: Magnanimous_J: I Browse: How about we only judge people as individuals?

If every person was born and raised in a vacuum, that would be a great plan. But there are interconnected issues that make your idea simplistic and naive.


Can you expand on this?


If a suicide bomber in Bagdad kills a bunch of people on a bus, it is reasonable to lay some of that blame on the community that brought him up and influenced him. People aren't raised in a vacuum. Likewise, if an appallingly high amount of violent crime comes from a very small segment of the population, it's reasonable to say "Hey! What the fark is wrong with you?" to that segment.
 
2013-08-21 05:11:53 PM  

funmonger: lantawa: Well, to be fair, Obama did open mouth and insert foot on more than one occasion in relation to the case in question.  Part of my disgust, if I might be allowed to experience that feeling. BTW, not an alt.  Just me. It's just me. My problem, if you will.

I'm sure there's a thread or twelve that covered angles of the Martin/Zimmerman case. Unless it's relevant, rehashing them here is intellectual dishonesty at best, Trollshiattery at worst.

Is Martin/Zimmerman relevant here, in regard to this case?

 How?


Not to worry.  It's my problem. I don't expect you to understand. Let it go.
 
2013-08-21 05:13:19 PM  

lantawa: Not to worry.  It's my problem. I don't expect you to understand. Let it go.


That's why you thought you'd mention it in a forum... because it's your problem?

You've got more than one problem.
 
2013-08-21 05:19:43 PM  

lantawa: One thing that I do know is that "disgust speech" is a lot different than hate speech.  I'm just plain disgusted at the whole mess.  Sorry if that sometimes comes across as hate.  To be fair, I'm an equal opportunity disguster.


Same here.  If a group of vicious white teens murdered an innocent black man, i would be equally disgusted.  Same goes for a group of elderly Korean women in wheelchairs viciously murdering a Slovenian exchange student living in France.  I'd be a bit surprised, of course, but equally disgusted.
 
2013-08-21 05:31:40 PM  

Magnanimous_J: Galloping Galoshes: This case has all the hallmarks of a community rushing to judgement and a police force willing to oblige.

Why do you think that? Is it because it was solved quickly? Because most murders that occur in competently policed white areas are solved quickly.


Truth is the police try harder to get the crooks when the victim is white.
 
2013-08-21 05:33:00 PM  
Not surprising that most media outlets thought a clown wearing an Obama mask was more of crime and outrage.
 
2013-08-21 05:44:58 PM  

Misconduc: I think the local NAACP did a vile vial or whatever but that lasted 5 minutes


ftfy
 
2013-08-21 05:59:29 PM  
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2013-08-21 06:15:16 PM  
I'm bored with these kids already. To hell with the trial, just skip that part and given the chair.


//They'll understand, right?
 
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