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2013-08-21 01:21:03 PM

Vectron: Shouldn't white people be able to commemorate the victims of black on white crime?



What are you?  Some kind of racist?
 
2013-08-21 01:21:04 PM
porcupine tree: Where is George Z when you need him?


Why would you need him? I was told, repeatedly, that Zimmerman was not a vigilante. He was simply a victim of an assault who protected himself. Was I lied to...?
 
2013-08-21 01:24:21 PM

stamped human bacon: Too bad parents aren't liable for the actions of their kids.


This story (submitted and rejected) bears some similarity, at least in regard to thrill killing kids.  And the father of one is being charged.
 
2013-08-21 01:26:04 PM

I Browse: porcupine tree: Where is George Z when you need him?


Why would you need him? I was told, repeatedly, that Zimmerman was not a vigilante. He was simply a victim of an assault who protected himself. Was I lied to...?


Only by certain news outlets.  He wasn't "standing his ground" either; straight case of self defense.
BTW, I'm defending these three kids until I see some actual evidence of their guilt that doesn't come from an hours-long interrogation without counsel.  And even then I'll be very suspicious.  This case has all the hallmarks of a community rushing to judgement and a police force willing to oblige.
 
2013-08-21 01:28:21 PM

Galloping Galoshes: I Browse: porcupine tree: Where is George Z when you need him?


Why would you need him? I was told, repeatedly, that Zimmerman was not a vigilante. He was simply a victim of an assault who protected himself. Was I lied to...?

Only by certain news outlets.  He wasn't "standing his ground" either; straight case of self defense.
BTW, I'm defending these three kids until I see some actual evidence of their guilt that doesn't come from an hours-long interrogation without counsel.  And even then I'll be very suspicious.  This case has all the hallmarks of a community rushing to judgement and a police force willing to oblige.


Normally I'd do the same except for the part where one confessed to doing for the funsies... It's true that could have been coerced, but I'm leaning toward guilty and would be happy to change my mind in light of new evidence.  Just a weird choice of words.
 
2013-08-21 01:34:38 PM

Abuse Liability: Galloping Galoshes: I Browse: porcupine tree: Where is George Z when you need him?


Why would you need him? I was told, repeatedly, that Zimmerman was not a vigilante. He was simply a victim of an assault who protected himself. Was I lied to...?

Only by certain news outlets.  He wasn't "standing his ground" either; straight case of self defense.
BTW, I'm defending these three kids until I see some actual evidence of their guilt that doesn't come from an hours-long interrogation without counsel.  And even then I'll be very suspicious.  This case has all the hallmarks of a community rushing to judgement and a police force willing to oblige.

Normally I'd do the same except for the part where one confessed to doing for the funsies... It's true that could have been coerced, but I'm leaning toward guilty and would be happy to change my mind in light of new evidence.  Just a weird choice of words.


From the Innocence Project:

False confessions and incriminating statements lead to wrongful convictions in approximately 25 percent of cases. [That's 25% of the studied reversals, not 25% of all cases - my note] 29 of the DNA exonerees http://www.innocenceproject.org/guiltyplea">pled guilty to crimes they did not commit. The Innocence Project encourages police departments to electronically record all custodial interrogations in their entirety in order to prevent coercion and to provide an accurate record of the proceedings.

Way too many cases of false confessions for me to be satisfied with just that.  Not saying they didn't do it, I just don't have much faith in our legal system or in the journalism business to get things right.
 
2013-08-21 01:36:14 PM
Galloping Galoshes:

BTW, I'm defending these three kids until I see some actual evidence of their guilt that doesn't come from an hours-long interrogation without counsel.  And even then I'll be very suspicious.  This case has all the hallmarks of a community rushing to judgement and a police force willing to oblige.


Then I respect your consistency. I've noticed that many of those who defended Zimmerman don't seem to give other defendants accused of crimes the same "innocent until proven guilty" leeway. Every case is different obviously, but still...it seems prudent to wait until all the evidence is in before rushing to judgment. I had hoped the Zimmerman case would've proven that.
 
2013-08-21 01:37:09 PM

GanjSmokr: Vectron: Shouldn't white people be able to commemorate the victims of black on white crime?


What are you?  Some kind of racist?


He's the Farker that claimed high living standards are related to the area being a "whitetopia" and provided a link for interested white Farkers to find said local whitetopias. You tell me if the guy is some kind of racist.
 
2013-08-21 01:38:04 PM

Carth: dr.zaeus: [i.imgur.com image 669x727]

$100, a plaid shirt, and a busted iPhone.  Now THAT'S gangsta.

It is clearly a gingham shirt.


www.trollmystic.com

Gingham Style
 
2013-08-21 01:41:50 PM

Galloping Galoshes: This case has all the hallmarks of a community rushing to judgement and a police force willing to oblige.


Why do you think that? Is it because it was solved quickly? Because most murders that occur in competently policed areas are solved quickly.
 
2013-08-21 01:42:36 PM

Carth: Witness99: This isn't about guns. This is about lack of family structure, lack of fathers for boys, parents that are either too busy or don't give a shiat. When you pop out little humans, somebody needs to provide them a wealth of love, attention and guidance. I don't think that happens very much anymore. So we get little psychopaths that could have also jumped the guy and beat him to death with rocks.

That is what happens when you don't offer comprehensive sex education, stigmatize and make it difficult to obtain abortions and don't provide new parent counseling to new parents on how to raise children.


I was a poor kid. I was raised by a single mom who worked three jobs (waitress, cocktail waitress, stripper in a bowling alley).

I still put myself through college, and never once did I ever want to hurt an innocent jogger.

What is wrong, when a teen wants to kill out of boredom?
 
2013-08-21 01:50:42 PM

Hawnkee: [media1.s-nbcnews.com image 208x298][media1.s-nbcnews.com image 208x298][media1.s-nbcnews.com image 208x298]

Warm 'em up, Chris.


I'm no "string 'em up," pro-capital punishment person most of the time, but in this case I have to say: give all three the needle and rid society of some of its waste.
 
2013-08-21 01:52:09 PM

I Browse: Galloping Galoshes:

BTW, I'm defending these three kids until I see some actual evidence of their guilt that doesn't come from an hours-long interrogation without counsel.  And even then I'll be very suspicious.  This case has all the hallmarks of a community rushing to judgement and a police force willing to oblige.


Then I respect your consistency. I've noticed that many of those who defended Zimmerman don't seem to give other defendants accused of crimes the same "innocent until proven guilty" leeway. Every case is different obviously, but still...it seems prudent to wait until all the evidence is in before rushing to judgment. I had hoped the Zimmerman case would've proven that.


I find that pre-judging just gives us something to do.  So long as your mind is flexible to new data and interpretation, you can continually update what you believe to be true.  After all, I entered the Zimmerman thread with the "We need more details, but it seems like he's guilty of at least negligent homicide."  I quickly amended that judgement upon hearing witness statements and forensic evidence.  There's a reason we don't hang people as soon as we catch them anymore.  Due process is important, but people are always going to have an initial opinion, based on what little evidence may be available.
 
2013-08-21 01:53:12 PM

Witness99: Carth: Witness99: This isn't about guns. This is about lack of family structure, lack of fathers for boys, parents that are either too busy or don't give a shiat. When you pop out little humans, somebody needs to provide them a wealth of love, attention and guidance. I don't think that happens very much anymore. So we get little psychopaths that could have also jumped the guy and beat him to death with rocks.

That is what happens when you don't offer comprehensive sex education, stigmatize and make it difficult to obtain abortions and don't provide new parent counseling to new parents on how to raise children.

I was a poor kid. I was raised by a single mom who worked three jobs (waitress, cocktail waitress, stripper in a bowling alley).

I still put myself through college, and never once did I ever want to hurt an innocent jogger.

What is wrong, when a teen wants to kill out of boredom?


You probably (hopefully) had a single mom who loved you and taught you about things like empathy and morality. You don't need to be rich to raise a kid well but you have to be interested in raising them and make sure they learn important life lessons like "don't shoot people because you're bored"
 
2013-08-21 01:57:23 PM

Carth: Witness99: Carth: Witness99: This isn't about guns. This is about lack of family structure, lack of fathers for boys, parents that are either too busy or don't give a shiat. When you pop out little humans, somebody needs to provide them a wealth of love, attention and guidance. I don't think that happens very much anymore. So we get little psychopaths that could have also jumped the guy and beat him to death with rocks.

That is what happens when you don't offer comprehensive sex education, stigmatize and make it difficult to obtain abortions and don't provide new parent counseling to new parents on how to raise children.

I was a poor kid. I was raised by a single mom who worked three jobs (waitress, cocktail waitress, stripper in a bowling alley).

I still put myself through college, and never once did I ever want to hurt an innocent jogger.

What is wrong, when a teen wants to kill out of boredom?

You probably (hopefully) had a single mom who loved you and taught you about things like empathy and morality. You don't need to be rich to raise a kid well but you have to be interested in raising them and make sure they learn important life lessons like "don't shoot people because you're bored"


Also, guns are not toys and violence is wrong.  Is it really that difficult to beat it into your kid's head (not physically, obviously... well maybe) that they should follow the golden rule and treat others how they would like to be treated?   Would you like someone to shoot you in the head while you're out for a stroll? No? Then don't do it to someone else.
 
2013-08-21 01:58:27 PM

I Browse: Then I respect your consistency. I've noticed that many of those who defended Zimmerman don't seem to give other defendants accused of crimes the same "innocent until proven guilty" leeway. Every case is different obviously, but still...it seems prudent to wait until all the evidence is in before rushing to judgment. I had hoped the Zimmerman case would've proven that


Zimmerman's statement immediately after the event were that he had to shoot in self-defense.  These guys' statement immediately after the event were that they shot this person because they were bored.  There is no parallel.
 
2013-08-21 02:00:18 PM

Abuse Liability: Also, guns are not toys and violence is wrong.  Is it really that difficult to beat it into your kid's head (not physically, obviously... well maybe) that they should follow the golden rule and treat others how they would like to be treated?   Would you like someone to shoot you in the head while you're out for a stroll? No? Then don't do it to someone else


For reasonable and intelligent people it really is this easy.  One rule.  Don't do to others what you don't want done to you.  It really isn't that hard.
 
2013-08-21 02:02:04 PM

Magnanimous_J: Galloping Galoshes: This case has all the hallmarks of a community rushing to judgement and a police force willing to oblige.

Why do you think that? Is it because it was solved quickly? Because most murders that occur in competently policed areas are solved quickly.


Citation please.  The FBI Uniform Statistics say there's a 69% clearance rate on homicide, but they go on to define "clearance" as
"when police have identified a perpetrator, have sufficient

evidence to charge him, and actually take him into custody," or he dies or is already in
custody.


Nowhere is there any actual measure of guilty party found.  Throw in bad arrests, not guilty verdicts, reversals, and innocents wrongly convicted, and you'll be lucky to get 1 in 3.
 
2013-08-21 02:03:09 PM

AngryDragon: I Browse: Then I respect your consistency. I've noticed that many of those who defended Zimmerman don't seem to give other defendants accused of crimes the same "innocent until proven guilty" leeway. Every case is different obviously, but still...it seems prudent to wait until all the evidence is in before rushing to judgment. I had hoped the Zimmerman case would've proven that

Zimmerman's statement immediately after the event were that he had to shoot in self-defense.  These guys' statement immediately after the event were that they shot this person because they were bored.  There is no parallel.


That's why I'm leaning guilty, but would change my mind easily, given new information in the boys' defense (i.e., they admitted this during hour 10 of their 11 our interrogation).  We'll just have to see.
 
2013-08-21 02:03:33 PM
The tragedy here like a lot of these crimes is that it prematurely ends the life someone who would live a worthwhile life.  Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom seemed like nice kids too. It breaks your heart that  years of raising children with love to be good people,  can be snuffed out on a whim.
 
2013-08-21 02:04:14 PM

AngryDragon: I Browse: Then I respect your consistency. I've noticed that many of those who defended Zimmerman don't seem to give other defendants accused of crimes the same "innocent until proven guilty" leeway. Every case is different obviously, but still...it seems prudent to wait until all the evidence is in before rushing to judgment. I had hoped the Zimmerman case would've proven that

Zimmerman's statement immediately after the event were that he had to shoot in self-defense.  These guys' statement immediately after the event were that they shot this person because they were bored.  There is no parallel.


All I know is what the cops are saying.  That's just not good enough.
 
2013-08-21 02:05:53 PM

Abuse Liability: (i.e., they admitted this during hour 10 of their 11 our interrogation).


Real bad sign for the validity/veracity of the confession.  These are kids, scared, and with no friends in the room.  At some point most people start agreeing just to get out of the situation.
 
2013-08-21 02:09:52 PM
This being Oklahoma, it's open season on wanna-be thugs from here on out.

These piece of shiats don't deserve to spend a day in prison after they are convicted.  Gavel drops... public execution commences.  I'm tired of my money paying into a "justice" system that only makes lawyers rich.

We are the laughing stock of the world because of idiots like this.  If this story doesn't make you sick to your stomach, then you are part of the problem with our society today.
 
2013-08-21 02:11:21 PM

Carn: In cases like these, I think we need to tie those involved down in the town square, and let nature take its course.  If people want to come by and beat them with sticks, that's fine.  If the town chooses to let them die of thirst or starvation, that's fine too.


But what happens when the community unties them, gives them a fist bump and says "way to represent young gansta!" ..?
 
2013-08-21 02:16:56 PM

Vectron: Meanwhile, Ebony releases 4 different covers in September. What a pity party. Collect all 4!

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Shouldn't white people be able to commemorate the victims of black on white crime?


You do that and every black person will scream racism calling for a boycott same old circle jerk because they are simply racist. Its the circle jerk we have to put up with unfortunately nobody is going to bother putting this kid that got killed photo on the cover of ESPN or any magazine, it would explode into boycotts and other crap causing some company to lose a ton of money which they don't want nor the negative attention. Fact is nobody cares unless its a black kid killed, its amazing how fast the NAACP and crew can start a racial war in a matter of minutes, mean while when a senseless killing like this goes on, nobody does a damn thing. Then again I think I read there has been over 600 african americans killed in united states SINCE the Zimmerman trial and not one thing has been said about it. One mother lost a child to a drive by few weeks ago and she couldn't get any media attention at all to find out who did the shooting. I think the local NAACP did a vile or whatever but that lasted 5 minutes, no media coverage..

The mother just had the baby a few months ago and loses it to senseless killing, there has been no suspects yet but its believed to be a gang iniation to shoot up a house just because it was previously rented by an "enemy gang member".
 
2013-08-21 02:17:16 PM

Galloping Galoshes: Magnanimous_J: Galloping Galoshes: This case has all the hallmarks of a community rushing to judgement and a police force willing to oblige.

Why do you think that? Is it because it was solved quickly? Because most murders that occur in competently policed areas are solved quickly.

Citation please.  The FBI Uniform Statistics say there's a 69% clearance rate on homicide, but they go on to define "clearance" as
"when police have identified a perpetrator, have sufficient

evidence to charge him, and actually take him into custody," or he dies or is already in
custody.


Nowhere is there any actual measure of guilty party found.  Throw in bad arrests, not guilty verdicts, reversals, and innocents wrongly convicted, and you'll be lucky to get 1 in 3.


I think that's stretching it a bit.

But my modifier was "competently policed areas." Think of how many homicides happen in the bad areas of Chicago, St. Louis, Detroit, Camden and 5 or 10 other shiatholes. These areas cannot be argued to be competently policed, and are extremely overrepresented in homicides which could go a long way to explain your 69% figure. But 99% of the country does have competent police and they do solve most murders quickly.
 
2013-08-21 02:20:07 PM

hermitage_deux: Carn: In cases like these, I think we need to tie those involved down in the town square, and let nature take its course.  If people want to come by and beat them with sticks, that's fine.  If the town chooses to let them die of thirst or starvation, that's fine too.

But what happens when the community unties them, gives them a fist bump and says "way to represent young gansta!" ..?


it's time to move.  I thought that's what happened to Detroit.
 
2013-08-21 02:27:40 PM
This is sad for the victim, and I am IN NO WAY excusing them or detracting from that.  It is, however, also sad for those 3 young men.  Society, their parents, somebody didn't do something right.  Now their lives are effectively over.  Society has no use or place for them.
 
2013-08-21 02:30:21 PM
Oh, please! One of the kids already confessed,and he called the cops to his cell to make that confession. So, it didn't happen under duress and hours of interrogation.

I can't believe some of you are ready to cast these scumbag gangbanger wannabes as victims. You either have cop-hate issues, or you are still butthurt over the whole George Z trial.
 
2013-08-21 02:31:23 PM
Wow.  Just...wow.

My redlight from yesterday:  "You're a bored teenager. Do you a) play video games, b) get high, or c) shoot and kill a jogger?"

Guess that $5/mo. buys you something.

/I know, I know...call the wahmbulance.
 
2013-08-21 02:33:53 PM

Inchoate: The issue of criminality among young, lower-class black men is not something that black people are magically unaware of, or something lots aren't outraged by. It's also not something they're required to individually offer atonement for, just like you are not obligated to apologize for Holmes or Lanza if you're white.


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Every race thread on this site has a couple of jackasses claiming that we are obligated to be held responsible for the actions of racist assholes who have been dead for over 100 years. Something something goose something something gander.
 
2013-08-21 02:37:01 PM

Misconduc: Vectron: Meanwhile, Ebony releases 4 different covers in September. What a pity party. Collect all 4!

Shouldn't white people be able to commemorate the victims of black on white crime?

You do that and every black person will scream racism calling for a boycott same old circle jerk because they are simply racist. Its the circle jerk we have to put up with unfortunately nobody is going to bother putting this kid that got killed photo on the cover of ESPN or any magazine, it would explode into boycotts and other crap causing some company to lose a ton of money which they don't want nor the negative attention. Fact is nobody cares unless its a black kid killed, its amazing how fast the NAACP and crew can start a racial war in a matter of minutes, mean while when a senseless killing like this goes on, nobody does a damn thing. Then again I think I read there has been over 600 african americans killed in united states SINCE the Zimmerman trial and not one thing has been said about it. One mother lost a child to a drive by few weeks ago and she couldn't get any media attention at all to find out who did the shooting. I think the local NAACP did a vile or whatever but that lasted 5 minutes, no media coverage..

The mother just had the baby a few months ago and loses it to senseless killing, there has been no suspects yet but its believed to be a gang iniation to shoot up a house just because it was previously rented by an "enemy gang member".



Had GZ been arrested and convicted (like these 3 kids will very likely be), it would have been a non-story.  There would have been no outcry, no magazine covers for Trayvon, nothing.  Obama, Holder, et al wouldn't have said a single word about it.

People were outraged about the TM/GZ case because of a perceived lack of justice for black people in America, not because a white-ish man killed a black kid.  Not sure what about this is difficult to understand.

If the 3 kids in this case had said "he was going to kill us, we had to shoot him" and the police didn't even arrest them or investigate their story - then yes, this case would be comparable to TM/GZ.  Until then, pissing and moaning about how "every black person ... is simply racist" does nothing but show your own true feelings about race.
 
2013-08-21 02:40:42 PM
more on the story

Anyone know what "dobbed" means in American?
 
2013-08-21 02:44:11 PM

Vectron: more on the story

Anyone know what "dobbed" means in American?


Pretty obvious from context.

"dobbed in" = "turned in", "informed on", "pointed out"
 
2013-08-21 02:48:18 PM

Abuse Liability: Carth: Witness99: Carth: Witness99: This isn't about guns. This is about lack of family structure, lack of fathers for boys, parents that are either too busy or don't give a shiat. When you pop out little humans, somebody needs to provide them a wealth of love, attention and guidance. I don't think that happens very much anymore. So we get little psychopaths that could have also jumped the guy and beat him to death with rocks.

That is what happens when you don't offer comprehensive sex education, stigmatize and make it difficult to obtain abortions and don't provide new parent counseling to new parents on how to raise children.

I was a poor kid. I was raised by a single mom who worked three jobs (waitress, cocktail waitress, stripper in a bowling alley).

I still put myself through college, and never once did I ever want to hurt an innocent jogger.

What is wrong, when a teen wants to kill out of boredom?

You probably (hopefully) had a single mom who loved you and taught you about things like empathy and morality. You don't need to be rich to raise a kid well but you have to be interested in raising them and make sure they learn important life lessons like "don't shoot people because you're bored"

Also, guns are not toys and violence is wrong.  Is it really that difficult to beat it into your kid's head (not physically, obviously... well maybe) that they should follow the golden rule and treat others how they would like to be treated?   Would you like someone to shoot you in the head while you're out for a stroll? No? Then don't do it to someone else.


"Would you like someone to shoot you in the head while you're out for a stroll? No? Then don't do it to someone else."

i think you mean..." then dont stroll through a black neighborhood."

/aussie wouldnt know that
// all americans know that
 
2013-08-21 02:53:11 PM
damn the race rabble rousers are all up in arms. Even here on relatively liberal Fark.

#1 reason why this is different from the Martin-Zimmerman case:

When Zimmerman shot Martin to death, the cops just gave him a pass without seriously investigating.

Zimmerman unfortunately became an identifiable face of Law and Order in this country, where vulnerable groups are considered largely dispensable. It's a well-known and indisputable fact that some minorities are treated with bias in the justice system.

I have to think that if any of you white Farkers had a teenage son who was shot by some random busy-body tough-guy you'd be all over that like Lindsay Lohan on cocaine. You would expect a decent investigation and for the guy to go to jail for some length of time for at least manslaughter, not the police having a default response of. "ok, Stand Your Ground, one less individual of XYZ group that we don't care about, move along, nothing to see here."

I think it's horrible that the Australian jogger/baseball/college guy was shot by 3 idiots. But it had nothing to do with Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman. The stupid attempts at equivalency are just that, stupid.
 
2013-08-21 02:53:28 PM
Hey, this happened half an hour from where I grew up. Fun fact: Duncan High's mascot is the Demons.
 
2013-08-21 02:53:43 PM

mekki: The victim was Australian. I always feel more embarrassed when the murder victim is a non-American who was just visiting or in this case, just a student. Like if we are going to keep killing each other, keep it in-house. Don't bring strangers into it. God knows the world thinks we are just trigger happy savages. This just proves it double fold.


I have the same reaction.  Young Asian students seem to take the brunt of it.  That kid who got shot on Halloween a few years ago for ringing the wrong doorbell . . .
 
2013-08-21 02:54:23 PM
East Central grad here by the way, so I feel bad for the community at the university and in Ada as well as his family .  It's a small school, so I figure this impacted quite a few people.
 
2013-08-21 02:58:25 PM

umad: Every race thread on this site has a couple of jackasses claiming that we are obligated to be held responsible for the actions of racist assholes who have been dead for over 100 years. Something something goose something something gander.



We could, collectively, decide to go another way with it... How about we only judge people as individuals? That might be fun to try. That way you are not responsible for the bad actions of people who share your race, and I am not responsible for the bad actions of people who share mine. We'd make no assumptions about each other based on race, and actually have to get to know each other before we made any snap judgements.

Who's with me...?
 
2013-08-21 03:00:27 PM

rcf1105: Duncan High's mascot is the Demons.


Well. There's your problem.....
 
2013-08-21 03:00:32 PM
Let me guess the race... yup... oh wait, a wigger too? Didn't see that coming.
 
2013-08-21 03:06:12 PM

I Browse: How about we only judge people as individuals?


If every person was born and raised in a vacuum, that would be a great plan. But there are interconnected issues that make your idea simplistic and naive.
 
2013-08-21 03:07:38 PM

Egalitarian: When Zimmerman shot Martin to death, the cops just gave him a pass without seriously investigating.


This is not true. They had even consulted with the state attorney general. Their original assessment turned out to be correct. There was not enough evidence to bring to trial.
 
2013-08-21 03:08:49 PM

Vectron: Egalitarian: When Zimmerman shot Martin to death, the cops just gave him a pass without seriously investigating.

This is not true. They had even consulted with the state attorney general. Their original assessment turned out to be correct. There was not enough evidence to bring to trial.


Plus he was as innocent as the day is long.....
 
2013-08-21 03:09:51 PM

Magnanimous_J: I Browse: How about we only judge people as individuals?

If every person was born and raised in a vacuum, that would be a great plan. But there are interconnected issues that make your idea simplistic and naive.


Then racism will never go away. Good plan.
 
2013-08-21 03:13:47 PM

Egalitarian: When Zimmerman shot Martin to death, the cops just gave him a pass without seriously investigating.


Both the local police and the FBI stated that there was not enough evidence to bring charges much less convict.  Then the outrage began.  The Prosecutor even had to bypass the grand jury to even get it into court because the belief was that they would not vote to bring charges.  In the end there was not enough evidence to convict.  A year of cost and time wasted to come right back to the original conclusion all because some people got all butthurt about it.
 
2013-08-21 03:15:14 PM

Magnanimous_J: I Browse: How about we only judge people as individuals?

If every person was born and raised in a vacuum, that would be a great plan. But there are interconnected issues that make your idea simplistic and naive.



Can you expand on this?
 
2013-08-21 03:17:09 PM

hermitage_deux: i think you mean..." then dont stroll through a black neighborhood."


Something awful might happen, like being reminded that it's recyclables night!
 
2013-08-21 03:18:00 PM

Inchoate: WhyKnot: Why it is that anytime there is a black victim and white perpetrator (or Hispanic...close enough, right?) the 'black community' gets fired up, the media gets fired up, politicians get fired up...but switch the races and all of a sudden it is 'a tragedy for everyone involved'; now we need to try to understand how such sweet and loving kids could commit such an unspeakable crime.

Things like the Trayvon Martin killing, stop and frisk, etc. follow archetypal pattern of discrimination and oppression. Seeing a young black man as a walking incarnation of danger, and overreacting to that impulse, is a depressingly common incident in American history. So people get very touchy when a news event occurs that might fit that pattern, even if they do end up being wrong sometimes. Ask a black friend about this sometime - they can explain better than I can.

There's not as much of an established racist pattern to the flip-side of those incidents. White people are *definitely* not oppressed by the system; although they are targeted from time to time by jackass racist criminals, and although the media does occasionally pussyfoot around black-on-white hate crimes to annoying effect, it is not even close to the epidemic the Stormfront fanboys would have you believe.

Also, one of the murderers in this case was actually a white kid, which some of the racist agenda-pushers are aggressively ignoring. That matters too.


While I agree with some of what you say, it is time for the black community to step it up a little in their own neighborhoods.

I live in Pittsburgh and two years ago there was a shooting at a youth softball tournament - they estimated there were over 60 people watching.

Happened right in the stands where everybody was sitting but when police got there nobody saw anything.

Then you had the city official interfering in the case where the baby was shot in Georgia and the shooters mother tried to dispose of the gun.

If you truly want justice, don't just march for it - start doing something about it.

I know it takes courage because snitches get stitches but it's your fear that is letting these young people die in the streets.
 
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