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(Washington Post)   Al-Jazeera's American premier yesterday showed it to be a solid, responsible, non-polarizing and thoughtful news channel that avoids the smoke and mirrors employed by its competitors. Which is to say, it won't last long in America   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 100
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2013-08-21 11:36:23 AM
 
2013-08-21 11:58:03 AM
I wonder if Fox News is worried.

/I depend on NPR and PBS for my broadcast news.
//The American commercial model for cable TV journalism has been Networked.
 
2013-08-21 12:14:38 PM
The office's resident Fox News aficionado said he sent an email to Comcast demanding AJA never be put on his cable system so as to, and I'm not joking, "protect our Freedom."
 
2013-08-21 12:47:50 PM
I've watched AJ before and welcome them trying to crack into the American market. They have their slants at times, but the reporting is pretty damn solid and because of their contact network they often are able to get into areas other news agencies struggle to get into for on ground reporting.

I mean because really there is only so much Richard Engel can cover since he has to lug around those 80 pound brass balls.
 
2013-08-21 12:48:30 PM
Don't let the last 20 years of Islamic propaganda paid for by oil companies throw you off.
 
2013-08-21 12:50:49 PM
I wonder what their thinking was in not renaming the channel as "American News Network" or something equally non-threatening? I know that branding is important and stuff, but a back-to-basics news channel might actually resonate with "folks" if it didn't have the name Al Jazeera and that funny, foreign looking logo.
 
2013-08-21 12:51:34 PM
God forbid we actually promote responsible reporting in the United States.
 
2013-08-21 12:55:12 PM
Subby clearly is a troll for the Dems. They endorsed Hillary for President, and turned to Mr. Insane himself, John "I'm Programmed" McCain, then in the first five minutes got in their licks against Glenn Beck.

Article III, Section 3
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

In a properly organized Nation they would be shown the door, while on fire ..
 
2013-08-21 12:55:28 PM

AirForceVet: I wonder if Fox News is worried.

/I depend on NPR and PBS for my broadcast news.
//The American commercial model for cable TV journalism has been Networked.


thank you for identifying the false dichotomy that any of those motherfarkers tell you anything worth "knowing" at all
 
2013-08-21 12:56:46 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: The office's resident Fox News aficionado said he sent an email to Comcast demanding AJA never be put on his cable system so as to, and I'm not joking, "protect our Freedom."


I can make up stories too.
 
2013-08-21 12:59:20 PM
Oh wow, just hooked up the cable line running to my house to my tv two days ago (I pay for cable internet, not tv) and realized I get broadcast as well as basic cable channels.  Scrolling through them I saw Al-Jazeera yesterday, assumed they'd been carried in the USA for years, but apparently I just have good timing.

/been w/o cable tv for about 5 years
 
2013-08-21 01:01:53 PM

jayhawk88: I wonder what their thinking was in not renaming the channel as "American News Network" or something equally non-threatening? I know that branding is important and stuff, but a back-to-basics news channel might actually resonate with "folks" if it didn't have the name Al Jazeera and that funny, foreign looking logo.


Part of it is branding, and part of it is journalistic ethics.  They are letting you know who they are, so you can determine for yourself if their news needs interpreting.

If anything, al Jazeera is more of a threat to the neo-liberals than to the conservatives.  They don't sanitize their reporting, and it's hard to maintain the Pollyanna bs neo-iiberal line in the face of real consequences.
 
2013-08-21 01:02:57 PM
All I know is they killed the Al-Jazeera English stream on my Roku. As an American, I am so unused to the idea of "This video cannot be viewed from your location" messages.

And since I live in good ol' Bumfark, Iowa, I'm sure my cable company has gotten more letters and calls akin to Mr. Coffee Nerves office mate's than ones with any desire to see Al-Jazeera America on their lineup.
 
2013-08-21 01:05:09 PM

CrazyCracka420: Oh wow, just hooked up the cable line running to my house to my tv two days ago (I pay for cable internet, not tv) and realized I get broadcast as well as basic cable channels.  Scrolling through them I saw Al-Jazeera yesterday, assumed they'd been carried in the USA for years, but apparently I just have good timing.

/been w/o cable tv for about 5 years


lol crap im gonna try that tonight. i just moved and only pay for internet. dont really watch tv tho.

but ive watched them a few times and a few docs they have done. seems pretty good right now.
i think we can all use something different then the crap that is american journalism.
 
2013-08-21 01:06:55 PM
I am not a regular Al Jazeera viewer on-line, though I have seen various stories by them over the years.  I'm also not a "they're a mooslum cabal set on destroying America" type either.  I just don't seek out news, especially political news and doubly especially cable TV political news.  I'm still a dinosaur in that I read 3-4 newspapers a day and whatever I find on the web and that works for me....all that said, I watched off and on for a while last night and the only thing that stood out was on the "Consider This" show or segment, the host seemed to be having serious trouble relaying his thoughts and questions.  Constant "uhh's" and "umm's" and misspoken words or misproununciations....seemed like he was really nervous or something.  Glaring only because it's not something you would expect to see from a professional TV journalist.
 
2013-08-21 01:07:02 PM

jayhawk88: I wonder what their thinking was in not renaming the channel as "American News Network" or something equally non-threatening? I know that branding is important and stuff, but a back-to-basics news channel might actually resonate with "folks" if it didn't have the name Al Jazeera and that funny, foreign looking logo.


Or just AJ America - keep the reference to al Jazeera, recognizes that it is their American operation.
 
2013-08-21 01:07:25 PM
I heard they hired a mid-east expert named Mac and her ex-jilted-boyfriend-neurotic-anchor-man Will.

They threw in an assortment of generation Y geniuses / horndogs and insisted on quick, smart dialogue in the office and at their favorite watering hole.

Should be a hit.
 
2013-08-21 01:07:46 PM
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I believe the also "debuted" in America a few years ago. I recall an EXCELLENT interview with one of the Al Jazeera guys (either a broadcaster or executive) on one of the main American news shows (either CNBC or CNN) where the American anchor asked all sorts of insulting questions, linking Al Jazeera with terrorism and trying to make it sound like an al-Qaida funded and watched network. The Al Jazeera guy, armed with facts, absolutely destroyed the American anchor, very politely, by telling him that it was the most watched network in the world, etc.

I've been searching for that interview for a while now, without luck. If anyone can find it, I'd be very appreciative.
 
2013-08-21 01:11:14 PM

Name_Omitted: jayhawk88: I wonder what their thinking was in not renaming the channel as "American News Network" or something equally non-threatening? I know that branding is important and stuff, but a back-to-basics news channel might actually resonate with "folks" if it didn't have the name Al Jazeera and that funny, foreign looking logo.

Part of it is branding, and part of it is journalistic ethics.  They are letting you know who they are, so you can determine for yourself if their news needs interpreting.

If anything, al Jazeera is more of a threat to the neo-liberals than to the conservatives.  They don't sanitize their reporting, and it's hard to maintain the Pollyanna bs neo-iiberal line in the face of real consequences.


That's pretty funny. Oh, wait, you're being serious.
 
2013-08-21 01:11:42 PM
Name_Omitted:

If anything, al Jazeera is more of a threat to the neo-liberals than to the conservatives.  They don't sanitize their reporting, and it's hard to maintain the Pollyanna bs neo-iiberal line in the face of real consequences.

...lolwut?

/...the heck is a neo-liberal, anyhow?
 
2013-08-21 01:12:29 PM
To the uninformed, Al Jazeera is Arab Turrists!
To the slightly informed, it's run by dem oil rich towelheads!

Since they're not competing with Fox News, I think they'll come out OK in this regard

If they can maintain the assertions from Hillary and McCain (and Rumsfeld) that they truly are fair and informative, they'll gasp for air until they come up with a strategy.  That strategy?

"We've been bombed by the US and we've been attacked and shut down by Israel as well as by Arab countries.  However unpopular our reporting is to these governments, our truthful, responsible journalism is essential to their people."

Spin that and downplay the tinfoil hat following, and you cut out a nice niche.

Oh, I almost forgot:  Leggy, leggy women, low-cut tight sweaters, skirts, tall chairs.
 
2013-08-21 01:13:08 PM
Do I get this?  I want this.
 
2013-08-21 01:17:01 PM

Nana's Vibrator: Oh, I almost forgot: Leggy, leggy women, low-cut tight sweaters, skirts, tall chairs.


Hey, it works for RT
 
2013-08-21 01:20:51 PM
Had AJA for a few hours yesterday on Dish. Gone now. Still have RT, so there's that.
 
2013-08-21 01:21:10 PM

Name_Omitted: jayhawk88: I wonder what their thinking was in not renaming the channel as "American News Network" or something equally non-threatening? I know that branding is important and stuff, but a back-to-basics news channel might actually resonate with "folks" if it didn't have the name Al Jazeera and that funny, foreign looking logo.

Part of it is branding, and part of it is journalistic ethics.  They are letting you know who they are, so you can determine for yourself if their news needs interpreting.

If anything, al Jazeera is more of a threat to the neo-liberals than to the conservatives.  They don't sanitize their reporting, and it's hard to maintain the Pollyanna bs neo-iiberal line in the face of real consequences.


The problem is their brand has a seriously negative image in America.  The reason cable companies aren't carrying it is because thier Teapartying customers send them nastygrams if they do.

Now, I suspect this is more a propaganda thing to promote Islam, Qatar, and the Middle East in general than an actual attempt to make money, hence the need to keep the AJ branding.
 
2013-08-21 01:22:19 PM

CrazyCracka420: Oh wow, just hooked up the cable line running to my house to my tv two days ago (I pay for cable internet, not tv) and realized I get broadcast as well as basic cable channels.  Scrolling through them I saw Al-Jazeera yesterday, assumed they'd been carried in the USA for years, but apparently I just have good timing.

/been w/o cable tv for about 5 years


That's very illegal and if the cable company detects it they will run you through the wringer.

I did the same thing years ago and asked a buddy (who worked for the cable co) about it. He told me employees get a cash reward for reporting such things ($1500 IIRC). He also said it's very easy to detect. I started paying for it the next day.
 
2013-08-21 01:23:20 PM
I'm concerned that they share a common Arabic pronoun (Al) with a known terrorist group. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to watch The Sharpton.
 
2013-08-21 01:23:41 PM
One of my idiot uncles commented on FB last night that, "...we should have bombed their [al Jazeera's] office back in 2001 when we had the chance."

/I keep relatives on facebook on my restricted list.
 
2013-08-21 01:23:54 PM

Dwindle: Don't let the last 20 years of Islamic propaganda paid for by oil companies throw you off.


Thanks a lot, Al Fartzeera.
 
2013-08-21 01:24:25 PM

Name_Omitted: jayhawk88: I wonder what their thinking was in not renaming the channel as "American News Network" or something equally non-threatening? I know that branding is important and stuff, but a back-to-basics news channel might actually resonate with "folks" if it didn't have the name Al Jazeera and that funny, foreign looking logo.

Part of it is branding, and part of it is journalistic ethics.  They are letting you know who they are, so you can determine for yourself if their news needs interpreting.

If anything, al Jazeera is more of a threat to the neo-liberals than to the conservatives.  They don't sanitize their reporting, and it's hard to maintain the Pollyanna bs neo-iiberal line in the face of real consequences.


I have to disagree with you. I love AJ's reporting, but if anything I've found them to be literally fair and balanced - both sides will find something to hate, and likewise, something to love. Neocons won't like their dirty laundry getting aired, liberals won't like seeing how nasty the world really is. Sadly I know a bunch of conservatives who think anything with the article "al-" in front of it automatically means terrorist. To the point of protesting in front of city hall that Al Gore should have been charged with treason for investing in AJ.
 
2013-08-21 01:24:28 PM

MyRandomName: Mr. Coffee Nerves: The office's resident Fox News aficionado said he sent an email to Comcast demanding AJA never be put on his cable system so as to, and I'm not joking, "protect our Freedom."

I can make up stories too.


No need to tell us. You've made that painfully obvious over the years.
 
2013-08-21 01:25:07 PM

Kygz: Do I get this?  I want this.


I have to dig through all of Charter's automated customer service first and then I'm going to ask them to put it on.
 
2013-08-21 01:25:21 PM
I saw a commercial for al-Jazeera on FOXNews during O'Reilly last night... I just don't know if it will be as Fair and Balanced as FOXNews, though.... plus, what's the appeal of getting news from a Muslim outlet? Is the fact that al-jazeera is Muslim supposed to lend it more credence than non-Muslim news channels like FNC or FBN? Isn't that the same logic that Farklibs use against FOX for the interview of the Muslim novelist who wrote on Jesus Christ?

Try to be consistent, Farklibs.
 
2013-08-21 01:27:01 PM
I don't get either RT or AJA.  For my daily foreign government sponsered propaganda needs, I'm stuck with CCTV, which, frankly, is pretty bad.
 
Esn
2013-08-21 01:27:39 PM
Al-Jazeera, just like Russia Today, brings much-needed balance to American cable news. All news sources are biased in some way or other. The more honest ones will tell you upfront what their "blind spot" is. The most dishonest ones pretend to be neutral.

An informed society is one that receives its news from many different biases, so all the blind spots are covered.
 
2013-08-21 01:29:30 PM

Summercat: /...the heck is a neo-liberal, anyhow?


Neo means young or new.  So he is saying "new liberals" as opposed to "old liberals."
 
Esn
2013-08-21 01:29:46 PM

Geotpf: Now, I suspect this is more a propaganda thing to promote Islam, Qatar, and the Middle East in general than an actual attempt to make money


The two are not mutually exclusive, you know... it's called marketing, and good marketing can lead to better trade relations.
 
2013-08-21 01:30:18 PM

AirForceVet: I wonder if Fox News is worried.



Oh hell yes. They've already got their "news analysts" kicking the smear campaign into first gear
 
2013-08-21 01:31:35 PM

Aristocles: I saw a commercial for al-Jazeera on FOXNews during O'Reilly last night... I just don't know if it will be as Fair and Balanced as FOXNews, though.... plus, what's the appeal of getting news from a Muslim outlet? Is the fact that al-jazeera is Muslim supposed to lend it more credence than non-Muslim news channels like FNC or FBN? Isn't that the same logic that Farklibs use against FOX for the interview of the Muslim novelist who wrote on Jesus Christ?

Try to be consistent, Farklibs.


hmmmm  al-jazeera presently has reputation of providing actual news (which sometimes runs counter to US narative)
unlike fox (which is known for creating stories)
and unlike the infotainment provided by the others (which movie star is in court)
 
2013-08-21 01:32:54 PM

Don_cos: Summercat: /...the heck is a neo-liberal, anyhow?

Neo means young or new.  So he is saying "new liberals" as opposed to "old liberals."


Yes, I think the original post was referring to, what I call, "Post-Modern Liberalism" as opposed to Classical Liberalism.
 
Esn
2013-08-21 01:34:36 PM

Geotpf: I don't get either RT or AJA.  For my daily foreign government sponsered propaganda needs, I'm stuck with CCTV, which, frankly, is pretty bad.


I did like CCTV's broadcasts of the Chinese astronauts' science physics lessons (from their space station) to millions of Chinese schoolkids. It was pretty neat and it wasn't covered at all on the American channels.
 
2013-08-21 01:35:32 PM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: AirForceVet: I wonder if Fox News is worried.


Oh hell yes. They've already got their "news analysts" kicking the smear campaign into first gear


I wonder why they would run a commercial for a competitor during their best show, The O'Reilly Factor?
 
2013-08-21 01:37:21 PM
A couple years ago I got curious and watched a webcast of the English language version online. It was a roundtable discussion type show and they were debating the Iraq war. Even though not all the guests supported America's actions in Iraq (though some did), the discussion was extremely intelligent, even-handed and the other guests actually LISTENED when someone else was talking. It blew my mind.

In contrast to our news-tainment style were red faced blowhards shout straw man arguments at each other. We should be embarrassed at how juvenile and banal our news media is compared to the rest of the world.
 
2013-08-21 01:37:27 PM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: AirForceVet: I wonder if Fox News is worried.


Oh hell yes. They've already got their "news analysts" kicking the smear campaign into first gear


Fox News supports killing Muslims, and so on...
 
2013-08-21 01:38:18 PM
And Charter's live rep just got a (very polite) request to carry AJA.
 
2013-08-21 01:39:23 PM

bindlestiff2600: hmmmm al-jazeera presently has reputation of providing actual news (which sometimes runs counter to US narative)
unlike fox (which is known for creating stories)


Lemme guess.... You think that FOXNews "created" the Benghazi 4 scandal?

If that's not one of the stories to which you refer: citation needed.
 
Esn
2013-08-21 01:40:06 PM

Geotpf: I don't get either RT or AJA.  For my daily foreign government sponsered propaganda needs, I'm stuck with CCTV, which, frankly, is pretty bad.


Also, do you get BBC? Because that's no less "foreign government sponsored propaganda" than the others.

From what I've seen, RT is taking the role that "Voice of America" used to take in the Soviet Union - they invite American dissidents and academics who don't get to speak on the mainstream news channels. Russia is very clearly trying to use the old American playbook that worked so well in breaking apart the Soviet Union.
 
2013-08-21 01:40:40 PM

CrazyCracka420: Oh wow, just hooked up the cable line running to my house to my tv two days ago (I pay for cable internet, not tv) and realized I get broadcast as well as basic cable channels.  Scrolling through them I saw Al-Jazeera yesterday, assumed they'd been carried in the USA for years, but apparently I just have good timing.

/been w/o cable tv for about 5 years


enjoy it while you can.  All the cable companies are switching to "cable box required" services for all but the most basic channels.

/Dealing with this at work
//screw the cable companies!
 
2013-08-21 01:42:15 PM
Funny to see so many get upset over a news outfit from the Mid-East operating in the US, didn't the NYT and CNN count?

Israel-Firsters are apoplectic about this. I wonder why.
 
2013-08-21 01:42:59 PM

Esn: From what I've seen, RT is taking the role that "Voice of America" used to take in the Soviet Union - they invite American dissidents and academics who don't get to speak on the mainstream news channels. Russia is very clearly trying to use the old American playbook that worked so well in breaking apart the Soviet Union.


State-sponsored news organizations are a bit tricky. It all depends on whether the state is hands-on or hands-off in terms of operation. If they're hands-off, it'll probably be the best news organization in the country, because the profit and ratings pressures are zero and the reporters can just focus on doing their job properly. If the state is hands-on, the result is straight-up propaganda.
 
2013-08-21 01:43:56 PM

JudgeItoBox: All I know is they killed the Al-Jazeera English stream on my Roku. As an American, I am so unused to the idea of "This video cannot be viewed from your location" messages.

And since I live in good ol' Bumfark, Iowa, I'm sure my cable company has gotten more letters and calls akin to Mr. Coffee Nerves office mate's than ones with any desire to see Al-Jazeera America on their lineup.


Especially when the top News apps on the Roku are Fox News and *****cough **** choke ****The Blaze ?!?
 
2013-08-21 01:46:35 PM
If you think that *any* news outlet is unbiased, you're a moron.
 
2013-08-21 01:46:44 PM
I would really like to see a neutral news network.  You can't get real news without that particular station's slant.

I lean conservative, but for the most part, I think NPR has fairly balanced reporting.

/My right wing friends think I am nuts
//My left wing friends think I am nuts
 
2013-08-21 01:46:46 PM

Esn: From what I've seen, RT is taking the role that "Voice of America" used to take in the Soviet Union - they invite American dissidents and academics who don't get to speak on the mainstream news channels. Russia is very clearly trying to use the old American playbook that worked so well in breaking apart the Soviet Union


Agreed, however I'd say more they've taken dissident leftist angle and actually made it watchable. Current tried to take the academic dissident route, RT is more your stand in the street with a protest sign. Although I will admit that their Keiser report is actually some damn fine financial reporting.
 
2013-08-21 01:48:16 PM

wooden_badger: Especially when the top News apps on the Roku are Fox News and *****cough **** choke ****The Blaze ?!?


You can still get the english stream by proxy channel add using a playon server

It's leg work I know, but its worth it to setup for it and other channels *cough porn cough*
 
2013-08-21 01:48:29 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: The office's resident Fox News aficionado said he sent an email to Comcast demanding AJA never be put on his cable system so as to, and I'm not joking, "protect our Freedom."


Some of us have contacted our cable providers to ask for its inclusion, and will keep doing so. Its good to have multiple sources. I've also asked for the CBC as well. I miss getting CBC news in Michigan.
 
2013-08-21 01:49:52 PM
I don't have cable, so I watch the digital OTA channels, and al-Jazeera was one of my favorite news shows.  Now I can't get it any more, and I miss it.  Very good journalism.
 
2013-08-21 01:50:11 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: They have their slants at times, but the reporting is pretty damn solid and because of their contact network they often are able to get into areas other news agencies struggle to get into for on ground reporting.


At the same time other than Qatar there isn't a single Middle Eastern country their reporters haven't been kicked out of. They have an amazing talent for pissing people off.
 
2013-08-21 01:51:45 PM
I prefer the unslantiness of European news broadcasts. If the owner really wants to start a network in America and reach some people, he should consider renaming it.

Call it Swedish World News or something.
 
2013-08-21 01:52:13 PM

Somacandra: At the same time other than Qatar there isn't a single Middle Eastern country their reporters haven't been kicked out of. They have an amazing talent for pissing people off.


Which astounds me why people think its a totally 100% slanted news agency, it's like you do realize they piss off everyone over there as well right?
 
2013-08-21 01:55:07 PM

Aristocles: Don_cos: Summercat: /...the heck is a neo-liberal, anyhow?

Neo means young or new.  So he is saying "new liberals" as opposed to "old liberals."

Yes, I think the original post was referring to, what I call, "Post-Modern Liberalism" as opposed to Classical Liberalism.


Jesus Almighty Christ, you're all sitting here with the most comprehensive collection of information in human history literally at your fingertips and you can't type a simple term into a box?
neoliberalism - a political orientation originating in the 1960s; blends liberal political views with an emphasis on economic growth.
 
2013-08-21 01:56:15 PM

a_real_human_being: I believe the also "debuted" in America a few years ago


You're thinking of Al Jazeera English, which was just English-language Al Jazeera.

This new one is US-based Al Jazeera.
 
2013-08-21 01:56:31 PM

Apik0r0s: Israel-Firsters are apoplectic about this. I wonder why.


AJ has always been very good about talking to a wide variety of Israeli sources, both governmental and NGOs'. That's part of why other governments get pissed off at them.
 
2013-08-21 01:59:16 PM
scubamage:  Sadly I know a bunch of conservatives who think anything with the article "al-" in front of it automatically means terrorist. To the point of protesting in front of city hall that Al Gore should have been charged with treason for investing in AJ.

His name also begins with "al"!  God it's so obvious!
 
2013-08-21 02:00:44 PM

KidneyStone: CrazyCracka420: Oh wow, just hooked up the cable line running to my house to my tv two days ago (I pay for cable internet, not tv) and realized I get broadcast as well as basic cable channels.  Scrolling through them I saw Al-Jazeera yesterday, assumed they'd been carried in the USA for years, but apparently I just have good timing.

/been w/o cable tv for about 5 years

That's very illegal and if the cable company detects it they will run you through the wringer.

I did the same thing years ago and asked a buddy (who worked for the cable co) about it. He told me employees get a cash reward for reporting such things ($1500 IIRC). He also said it's very easy to detect. I started paying for it the next day.


You're incorrect.  I pay for cable internet. They have two cables running to my house, one upstairs, one downstairs.  It's 100% legal to plug in your coaxial cable from the cable company to your tv, in order to access the local broadcast channels.  It is illegal for cable companies to scramble or block the broadcast channels. It's not illegal for them to scramble their cable channels (as they do with all the non-basic cable channels), but they don't scramble the basic cable channels for multiple reasons that I've heard, either because it also blocks other signals (used for carrying broadcast channels or internet traffic), or because it's too expensive to do, so they only focus on the more premium cable channels.

It's illegal to run a line from the cable box to your house if you're not paying for cable internet.  It's not illegal to run that coax line to your tv.
 
Esn
2013-08-21 02:01:03 PM

Gosling: Esn: From what I've seen, RT is taking the role that "Voice of America" used to take in the Soviet Union - they invite American dissidents and academics who don't get to speak on the mainstream news channels. Russia is very clearly trying to use the old American playbook that worked so well in breaking apart the Soviet Union.

State-sponsored news organizations are a bit tricky. It all depends on whether the state is hands-on or hands-off in terms of operation. If they're hands-off, it'll probably be the best news organization in the country, because the profit and ratings pressures are zero and the reporters can just focus on doing their job properly. If the state is hands-on, the result is straight-up propaganda.


Well, my sense of RT is that their instructions were basically to "rock the American ship as much as possible" while doing it in language that the natives could understand. So, basically what Voice of America did.

RT was originally much more about Russia when they started, then they switched to being more America-focused and found more local voices. Even if they were locals who'd been critical of the Russian government in the past (like Mark Ames - who used to have an English-language newspaper in Moscow which got shut down by the Russian state a few years ago).
 
2013-08-21 02:01:29 PM
Goddamnitsomuch. My AJE channel was replaced by some other random thing with shiatty production values. Surfed around for 15 minutes to find AJAM only to discover it's 4:3 standard definition with horrible audio.

Now I'm stuck Chromecasting the AJE feed to my TV through a proxy server in Europe because it's farking region-locked now.

I like Al Jazeera and I would have been a lot happier if it had never been Americanized.
 
2013-08-21 02:01:36 PM

Hickory-smoked: Aristocles: Don_cos: Summercat: /...the heck is a neo-liberal, anyhow?

Neo means young or new.  So he is saying "new liberals" as opposed to "old liberals."

Yes, I think the original post was referring to, what I call, "Post-Modern Liberalism" as opposed to Classical Liberalism.

Jesus Almighty Christ, you're all sitting here with the most comprehensive collection of information in human history literally at your fingertips and you can't type a simple term into a box?
neoliberalism - a political orientation originating in the 1960s; blends liberal political views with an emphasis on economic growth.


The problem is, if you google "neoliberalism" you'll find several definitions some of which contradict others.
 
2013-08-21 02:01:47 PM
The derp on the RT website would rival anything seen on US websites.
e.g.
"Why isn't RT reporting on khan al asal masacre by US sponsered terrorists. RT is owned by zionists "

Now I admit I am baffled as to the allegations that the US is supporting the Syrian rebels. Does the Muslim Brotherhood have some deep affection for the US?
But the Russian comments get weirder (from my US perspective, cause these 3 nations are such good friends)
...Isra el is not only arming the rebels via the Saudis, but also providing them with the chemical agents via Georgia ..
 
2013-08-21 02:02:13 PM
IdBeCrazyIf:  Which astounds me why people think its a totally 100% slanted news agency, it's like you do realize they piss off everyone over there as well right?

That's precisely why Fox and some others are rushing to try and cement the conditioning of public perceptions. For most Americans, their exposure to Al Jazeera has been very limited. I remember the first time I saw it in AZ and asked the shop proprietor about it (middle eastern restaurant). He told me about the channel and said (paraphrasing) 'its got some good stuff, but sometimes it goes off the deep end.' We had a good laugh about it.
 
2013-08-21 02:02:19 PM

Itstoearly: If you think that *any* news outlet is unbiased, you're a moron.



But if you think that this is a reason to equate Al Jezeera with Fox News, you're even dumber.
 
2013-08-21 02:02:36 PM

Esn: Geotpf: Now, I suspect this is more a propaganda thing to promote Islam, Qatar, and the Middle East in general than an actual attempt to make money

The two are not mutually exclusive, you know... it's called marketing, and good marketing can lead to better trade relations.


In this case, the two are, in fact, mutually exclusive.  AJA is having trouble getting on American cable companies' lineups because it is AJ and for no other reason.  No viewers = no advertising revenue = no money.
 
2013-08-21 02:07:27 PM

squidgod2000: Surfed around for 15 minutes to find AJAM only to discover it's 4:3 standard definition with horrible audio.


i.imgur.com

That's quite a Champagne Problem you have there.
 
2013-08-21 02:08:31 PM

Esn: Geotpf: I don't get either RT or AJA.  For my daily foreign government sponsered propaganda needs, I'm stuck with CCTV, which, frankly, is pretty bad.

Also, do you get BBC? Because that's no less "foreign government sponsored propaganda" than the others.

From what I've seen, RT is taking the role that "Voice of America" used to take in the Soviet Union - they invite American dissidents and academics who don't get to speak on the mainstream news channels. Russia is very clearly trying to use the old American playbook that worked so well in breaking apart the Soviet Union.


I get "BBC America", although that's mostly, possibly entirely, fictional entertainment programing.  RT, AJA, and CCTV are mostly or entirely news and documentaries, and all three have obvious political stances (although AJ's is actually a bit less pronounced).
 
2013-08-21 02:16:13 PM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: AirForceVet: I wonder if Fox News is worried.


Oh hell yes. They've already got their "news analysts" kicking the smear campaign into first gear


That doesn't mean they're worried. That means they're going about their usual "all competitors with this network are biased and evil" derp with some extra "this wun's even worse becuze they're Muslin!" for Al-Jazeera. Outrage is what brings the ratings for them.
 
Esn
2013-08-21 02:18:16 PM

simplicimus: Now I admit I am baffled as to the allegations that the US is supporting the Syrian rebels.


Um, the CIA has been providing arms to the rebels for quite a while, yes. The New York Times wrong a long article about it a while ago. The general perception is that the US is deeply involved but is pretending not to be. The reality may be that the US is somewhat involved but finds the situation getting away from it and is conflicted about what to do - but the CIA's history of this sort of stuff isn't helping to quell the rumours any.

Also, Israel is giving medical treatment to wounded rebels in the Golan Heights, and Saudi Arabia, a very close US ally (you can tell because they never get criticized on the US news channels) is heavily supporting the rebels, as is Turkey (a NATO member).

Geotpf: Esn: Geotpf: Now, I suspect this is more a propaganda thing to promote Islam, Qatar, and the Middle East in general than an actual attempt to make money

The two are not mutually exclusive, you know... it's called marketing, and good marketing can lead to better trade relations.

In this case, the two are, in fact, mutually exclusive. AJA is having trouble getting on American cable companies' lineups because it is AJ and for no other reason. No viewers = no advertising revenue = no money.


By "marketing" I mean marketing the culture and the people. Trying to make Arabs less scary for Americans. Public relations. Do you think it would work if they just changed their name? Wouldn't they get accused of underhanded subterfuge even more, "trying to hide something", etc.?  It doesn't seem to me like they have much choice other than trying to do what they're doing now.
 
2013-08-21 02:26:42 PM
Bright House in Tampa intentionally dropped Current TV before it became AJA.
Bright House in Orlando never had Current TV and has no intent to offer AJA to anyone.
Century Link Prism and Comcast Xfinity both offer the channel in Orlando, but only in their highest, most premium price tier.

What can you do?  Oh well.
 
2013-08-21 02:35:35 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: wooden_badger: Especially when the top News apps on the Roku are Fox News and *****cough **** choke ****The Blaze ?!?

You can still get the english stream by proxy channel add using a playon server

It's leg work I know, but its worth it to setup for it and other channels *cough porn cough*


I'm a new Roku user (2 weeks) so just starting to use playon to stream home videos.
 
2013-08-21 02:46:28 PM

Esn: simplicimus: Now I admit I am baffled as to the allegations that the US is supporting the Syrian rebels.

Um, the CIA has been providing arms to the rebels for quite a while, yes. The New York Times wrong a long article about it a while ago. The general perception is that the US is deeply involved but is pretending not to be. The reality may be that the US is somewhat involved but finds the situation getting away from it and is conflicted about what to do - but the CIA's history of this sort of stuff isn't helping to quell the rumours any.


But what threat does the Syrian Government pose to the US or its interests? If it's because we want to have another proxy war against Russia, and the CIA hasn't learned anything from their efforts in Vietnam and Russia occupied Afghanistan, they need to be disbanded.
 
2013-08-21 02:54:11 PM

GentDirkly: Bright House in Tampa intentionally dropped Current TV before it became AJA.
Bright House in Orlando never had Current TV and has no intent to offer AJA to anyone.
Century Link Prism and Comcast Xfinity both offer the channel in Orlando, but only in their highest, most premium price tier.

What can you do?  Oh well.


Bright House, run by Miron and Bergman. Now why would they be against Al Jazeera?
 
2013-08-21 02:58:58 PM

Cleffer: God forbid we actually promote responsible reporting in the United States.


right or wrong but there is an inherent 'positive' to propagandizing the general populace to a certain extent. I'm not advocating wholesale brainwashing however a certain biasness and pro americana rhetoric is not a bad thing even if it is achieved by skewing the truth just a tad bit.

I mean if every American citizen wakes up tomorrow and knows like the truth truth I think the country will fall into anarchy. A lil blind patriotism by the general masses should be encouraged and maybe even manipulated (via press, media etc) every once in a while.

I mean heck for example, as someone who has traveled to the far reaches of Earth and then some, I can factually say that America is NOT the greatest country in the world in most sense of the word HOWEVER I for one will be the first to hypocritically admit that I do not want every one of my countrymen to feel the same way and it's not a bad thing if that country fried bumkin thinks the USA is the greatest thing God himself has ever created and I'll be more than happy to play along to keep his ignorance alive for the general sake of the country.

Hope that make sense.
 
2013-08-21 03:16:40 PM
Just listened to a well-done discussion of this on the podcast for On The Media.
I recommend it if you want to learn something about this.

My take: it's unfortunate that, to find something quality, you have to look outside the US. Whereas once America stood for integrity and innovation and honesty, it's now synonymous with excess, inefficiency, and bias.

Here's the link to the show.
 
2013-08-21 03:17:38 PM

simplicimus: Esn: simplicimus: Now I admit I am baffled as to the allegations that the US is supporting the Syrian rebels.

Um, the CIA has been providing arms to the rebels for quite a while, yes. The New York Times wrong a long article about it a while ago. The general perception is that the US is deeply involved but is pretending not to be. The reality may be that the US is somewhat involved but finds the situation getting away from it and is conflicted about what to do - but the CIA's history of this sort of stuff isn't helping to quell the rumours any.

But what threat does the Syrian Government pose to the US or its interests? If it's because we want to have another proxy war against Russia, and the CIA hasn't learned anything from their efforts in Vietnam and Russia occupied Afghanistan, they need to be disbanded.


Syria is BFF w/ Iran, that's why the US is getting involved.  Russia is just along for the ride cause they sell a bunch of stuff to Assad and know they lose all those contracts if not-Assad takes power.
 
2013-08-21 03:21:10 PM
simplicimus:

But what threat does the Syrian Government pose to the US or its interests? If it's because we want to have another proxy war against Russia, and the CIA hasn't learned anything from their efforts in Vietnam and Russia occupied Afghanistan, they need to be disbanded.

Syria isn't a threat but they won't play ball with US interests.  Much like Iran.  Russia is an ally of both and have their own interests to protect.  And China is aligned with Iran.  Toss India and Pakistan into the fray and you have the ingredients for a giant mess.

US-Russia "New Cold War": The Battle for Pipelines and Natural Gas
 
2013-08-21 03:38:20 PM

cirrhosis_and_halitosis: simplicimus:

But what threat does the Syrian Government pose to the US or its interests? If it's because we want to have another proxy war against Russia, and the CIA hasn't learned anything from their efforts in Vietnam and Russia occupied Afghanistan, they need to be disbanded.

Syria isn't a threat but they won't play ball with US interests.  Much like Iran.  Russia is an ally of both and have their own interests to protect.  And China is aligned with Iran.  Toss India and Pakistan into the fray and you have the ingredients for a giant mess.

US-Russia "New Cold War": The Battle for Pipelines and Natural Gas


So it's a battle for economic parity with Russia over Natural Gas sales? Because we're afraid NATO will fall apart? Well, maybe US fraking will finally resolve the mine gap with Russia. And I still don't consider Iran a threat against the US, but pitting Sunnis against Shia has worked well in the past for us, so there's that.
 
2013-08-21 03:43:12 PM

Summercat: Name_Omitted:

If anything, al Jazeera is more of a threat to the neo-liberals than to the conservatives.  They don't sanitize their reporting, and it's hard to maintain the Pollyanna bs neo-iiberal line in the face of real consequences.

...lolwut?

/...the heck is a neo-liberal, anyhow?


You can spot them pretty easily, they're mostly made of straw.
 
Esn
2013-08-21 03:48:49 PM

ShadowKamui: simplicimus: Esn: simplicimus: Now I admit I am baffled as to the allegations that the US is supporting the Syrian rebels.

Um, the CIA has been providing arms to the rebels for quite a while, yes. The New York Times wrong a long article about it a while ago. The general perception is that the US is deeply involved but is pretending not to be. The reality may be that the US is somewhat involved but finds the situation getting away from it and is conflicted about what to do - but the CIA's history of this sort of stuff isn't helping to quell the rumours any.

But what threat does the Syrian Government pose to the US or its interests? If it's because we want to have another proxy war against Russia, and the CIA hasn't learned anything from their efforts in Vietnam and Russia occupied Afghanistan, they need to be disbanded.

Syria is BFF w/ Iran, that's why the US is getting involved.  Russia is just along for the ride cause they sell a bunch of stuff to Assad and know they lose all those contracts if not-Assad takes power.


Both the Saudis and the Israelis hate Iran, and both are strong U.S. allies. It's a bit of a quandary for the U.S. because it means that they're stuck between supporting Iran (thereby pissing off their closest Middle East allies) or supporting Al Qaeda (thereby pissing off their own population). So far they've been inching towards the latter option, but not very enthusiastically. The other option is to do nothing, which seems to only succeed in pissing off both sides and making the U.S. look weak (because everyone's used to the U.S. interfering somehow, so if they don't do anything both sides assume that they're helping the other side).

As for Russia, it may not be just about money. Last month the Saudis tried to bribe Russia to stop supporting Assad in exchange for billions in arms contracts and Putin refused. Probably at least in part because he doesn't trust Saudi Arabia much - you know, that was one of the countries that the old USSR refused to have diplomatic relations with.
 
2013-08-21 03:57:23 PM
simplicimus:

So it's a battle for economic parity with Russia over Natural Gas sales? Because we're afraid NATO will fall apart? Well, maybe US fraking will finally resolve the mine gap with Russia. And I still don't consider Iran a threat against the US, but pitting Sunnis against Shia has worked well in the past for us, so there's that.

Not really a battle with Russia over sales but more control of ME gas.  Euro countries (a large part of NATO) are heavily dependent on Russia for gas and oil.  Qatar wants to build a pipeline that will end in Turkey (another NATO member).  US isn't happy about Iran building a different pipeline to Pakistan and India.  Basically, Syria and Iran are in the way of US and NATO interests.

Here is a better link:
The Geopolitics of Gas and the Syrian Crisis: Syrian "Opposition" Armed to Thwart Construction of Iran-Iraq-Syria Gas Pipeline

And fracking isn't the panacea the US government claims.  Here is a great article describing the wildly over-estimated production estimates and high costs to the environment.

Fracking - Britain's Next Revolution
 
2013-08-21 04:20:09 PM

cirrhosis_and_halitosis: simplicimus:

So it's a battle for economic parity with Russia over Natural Gas sales? Because we're afraid NATO will fall apart? Well, maybe US fraking will finally resolve the mine gap with Russia. And I still don't consider Iran a threat against the US, but pitting Sunnis against Shia has worked well in the past for us, so there's that.

Not really a battle with Russia over sales but more control of ME gas.  Euro countries (a large part of NATO) are heavily dependent on Russia for gas and oil.  Qatar wants to build a pipeline that will end in Turkey (another NATO member).  US isn't happy about Iran building a different pipeline to Pakistan and India.  Basically, Syria and Iran are in the way of US and NATO interests.

Here is a better link:
The Geopolitics of Gas and the Syrian Crisis: Syrian "Opposition" Armed to Thwart Construction of Iran-Iraq-Syria Gas Pipeline

And fracking isn't the panacea the US government claims.  Here is a great article describing the wildly over-estimated production estimates and high costs to the environment.

Fracking - Britain's Next Revolution


Strange bedfellows indeed. Sunnis getting friendly (or at least less hostile) towards Israel? The US turning its back on Iraqi Shia? All we need now is the Kurds and the clusterf*ck will be complete.
 
2013-08-21 04:31:05 PM

KidneyStone: CrazyCracka420: Oh wow, just hooked up the cable line running to my house to my tv two days ago (I pay for cable internet, not tv) and realized I get broadcast as well as basic cable channels.  Scrolling through them I saw Al-Jazeera yesterday, assumed they'd been carried in the USA for years, but apparently I just have good timing.

/been w/o cable tv for about 5 years

That's very illegal and if the cable company detects it they will run you through the wringer.

I did the same thing years ago and asked a buddy (who worked for the cable co) about it. He told me employees get a cash reward for reporting such things ($1500 IIRC). He also said it's very easy to detect. I started paying for it the next day.


I've had my cable internet coax split and going to my TV for ~5 years now and no one gives a shiat. It helps having a TV with a clear QAM tuner.
 
2013-08-21 04:37:23 PM
Dear subby, please learn the difference between "premier" and "premiere."
 
2013-08-21 04:37:54 PM
There's no room for actual news in america.
 
2013-08-21 05:03:58 PM

Magnanimous_J: A couple years ago I got curious and watched a webcast of the English language version online. It was a roundtable discussion type show and they were debating the Iraq war. Even though not all the guests supported America's actions in Iraq (though some did), the discussion was extremely intelligent, even-handed and the other guests actually LISTENED when someone else was talking. It blew my mind.

In contrast to our news-tainment style were red faced blowhards shout straw man arguments at each other. We should be embarrassed at how juvenile and banal our news media is compared to the rest of the world.


This is why I haven't been able to watch news in a long time. Even if it's a topic I don't care about, just listening to all the anger and shouting makes me feel tense and stressed out. I don't know how people watch it on a regular basis, that kind of stress can't be healthy.
 
2013-08-21 05:31:33 PM

Cleffer: God forbid we actually promote responsible reporting in the United States.


Mind you, this is the same network that has been white-knighting the Muslim Brotherhood throughout the whole Egyptian fiasco.
 
2013-08-21 05:42:16 PM
Meanwhile...

www.fireandreamitchell.com
Partly owned, and most profits going to...


i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-21 06:46:40 PM
We've been able to watch AJ News on T V for more than 10 years in Australia, so I'm getting a kick out all the paranoia in the thread.
 
2013-08-21 07:21:08 PM

simplicimus: cirrhosis_and_halitosis: simplicimus:

So it's a battle for economic parity with Russia over Natural Gas sales? Because we're afraid NATO will fall apart? Well, maybe US fraking will finally resolve the mine gap with Russia. And I still don't consider Iran a threat against the US, but pitting Sunnis against Shia has worked well in the past for us, so there's that.

Not really a battle with Russia over sales but more control of ME gas.  Euro countries (a large part of NATO) are heavily dependent on Russia for gas and oil.  Qatar wants to build a pipeline that will end in Turkey (another NATO member).  US isn't happy about Iran building a different pipeline to Pakistan and India.  Basically, Syria and Iran are in the way of US and NATO interests.

Here is a better link:
The Geopolitics of Gas and the Syrian Crisis: Syrian "Opposition" Armed to Thwart Construction of Iran-Iraq-Syria Gas Pipeline

And fracking isn't the panacea the US government claims.  Here is a great article describing the wildly over-estimated production estimates and high costs to the environment.

Fracking - Britain's Next Revolution

Strange bedfellows indeed. Sunnis getting friendly (or at least less hostile) towards Israel? The US turning its back on Iraqi Shia? All we need now is the Kurds and the clusterf*ck will be complete.


If the US escalates in Syria the situation has huge potential to get real ugly real fast.  Things have been building to this end game for quite a few years, should be interesting to see what happens.
 
2013-08-21 10:48:38 PM

Geotpf: I don't get either RT or AJA.  For my daily foreign government sponsered propaganda needs, I'm stuck with CCTV, which, frankly, is pretty bad.


Lucky--pretty much we're in a uVerse/TWC duopoly here--and the TWC half is basically still just the Insight lineup, of which pretty much the ONLY non-US channels are BBC America and Univision (admittedly, Insight pretty much was trying to get bought out by someone else for years).

Until TWC can be arsed to bring the rest of their channel lineup to the recently-borged Insight areas, pretty much...we have free-to-air sats and...free-to-air sats and specialised packages from Dish Network not part of the usual package lineup.  Even THEN I'll be pleasantly surprised to see more international broadcasters thanks to the Common Clay of the New West that tends to populate most of the recently-borged Insight areas... :P

/at least there is always semi-legal Internet streaming--actually fully legal in the case of Al Jazeera
 
2013-08-22 05:06:57 AM
"The new Al Jazeera America news channel proved itself to be what you might expect in a new mainstream news channel. It was accurate, responsible and technically polished."

Actually, that would make it the exact opposite of what we'd expect from a mainstream news channel.
 
2013-08-22 08:27:45 AM
I had an interesting conversation with my neighbor yesterday and we both agree.

You can NEVER trust one source all the time. It is each individuals responsibility to KNOW the sources and always question/understand their motives.
 
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