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(Washington Post)   Al-Jazeera's American premier yesterday showed it to be a solid, responsible, non-polarizing and thoughtful news channel that avoids the smoke and mirrors employed by its competitors. Which is to say, it won't last long in America   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 100
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2013-08-21 11:36:23 AM
 
2013-08-21 11:58:03 AM
I wonder if Fox News is worried.

/I depend on NPR and PBS for my broadcast news.
//The American commercial model for cable TV journalism has been Networked.
 
2013-08-21 12:14:38 PM
The office's resident Fox News aficionado said he sent an email to Comcast demanding AJA never be put on his cable system so as to, and I'm not joking, "protect our Freedom."
 
2013-08-21 12:47:50 PM
I've watched AJ before and welcome them trying to crack into the American market. They have their slants at times, but the reporting is pretty damn solid and because of their contact network they often are able to get into areas other news agencies struggle to get into for on ground reporting.

I mean because really there is only so much Richard Engel can cover since he has to lug around those 80 pound brass balls.
 
2013-08-21 12:48:30 PM
Don't let the last 20 years of Islamic propaganda paid for by oil companies throw you off.
 
2013-08-21 12:50:49 PM
I wonder what their thinking was in not renaming the channel as "American News Network" or something equally non-threatening? I know that branding is important and stuff, but a back-to-basics news channel might actually resonate with "folks" if it didn't have the name Al Jazeera and that funny, foreign looking logo.
 
2013-08-21 12:51:34 PM
God forbid we actually promote responsible reporting in the United States.
 
2013-08-21 12:55:12 PM
Subby clearly is a troll for the Dems. They endorsed Hillary for President, and turned to Mr. Insane himself, John "I'm Programmed" McCain, then in the first five minutes got in their licks against Glenn Beck.

Article III, Section 3
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

In a properly organized Nation they would be shown the door, while on fire ..
 
2013-08-21 12:55:28 PM

AirForceVet: I wonder if Fox News is worried.

/I depend on NPR and PBS for my broadcast news.
//The American commercial model for cable TV journalism has been Networked.


thank you for identifying the false dichotomy that any of those motherfarkers tell you anything worth "knowing" at all
 
2013-08-21 12:56:46 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: The office's resident Fox News aficionado said he sent an email to Comcast demanding AJA never be put on his cable system so as to, and I'm not joking, "protect our Freedom."


I can make up stories too.
 
2013-08-21 12:59:20 PM
Oh wow, just hooked up the cable line running to my house to my tv two days ago (I pay for cable internet, not tv) and realized I get broadcast as well as basic cable channels.  Scrolling through them I saw Al-Jazeera yesterday, assumed they'd been carried in the USA for years, but apparently I just have good timing.

/been w/o cable tv for about 5 years
 
2013-08-21 01:01:53 PM

jayhawk88: I wonder what their thinking was in not renaming the channel as "American News Network" or something equally non-threatening? I know that branding is important and stuff, but a back-to-basics news channel might actually resonate with "folks" if it didn't have the name Al Jazeera and that funny, foreign looking logo.


Part of it is branding, and part of it is journalistic ethics.  They are letting you know who they are, so you can determine for yourself if their news needs interpreting.

If anything, al Jazeera is more of a threat to the neo-liberals than to the conservatives.  They don't sanitize their reporting, and it's hard to maintain the Pollyanna bs neo-iiberal line in the face of real consequences.
 
2013-08-21 01:02:57 PM
All I know is they killed the Al-Jazeera English stream on my Roku. As an American, I am so unused to the idea of "This video cannot be viewed from your location" messages.

And since I live in good ol' Bumfark, Iowa, I'm sure my cable company has gotten more letters and calls akin to Mr. Coffee Nerves office mate's than ones with any desire to see Al-Jazeera America on their lineup.
 
2013-08-21 01:05:09 PM

CrazyCracka420: Oh wow, just hooked up the cable line running to my house to my tv two days ago (I pay for cable internet, not tv) and realized I get broadcast as well as basic cable channels.  Scrolling through them I saw Al-Jazeera yesterday, assumed they'd been carried in the USA for years, but apparently I just have good timing.

/been w/o cable tv for about 5 years


lol crap im gonna try that tonight. i just moved and only pay for internet. dont really watch tv tho.

but ive watched them a few times and a few docs they have done. seems pretty good right now.
i think we can all use something different then the crap that is american journalism.
 
2013-08-21 01:06:55 PM
I am not a regular Al Jazeera viewer on-line, though I have seen various stories by them over the years.  I'm also not a "they're a mooslum cabal set on destroying America" type either.  I just don't seek out news, especially political news and doubly especially cable TV political news.  I'm still a dinosaur in that I read 3-4 newspapers a day and whatever I find on the web and that works for me....all that said, I watched off and on for a while last night and the only thing that stood out was on the "Consider This" show or segment, the host seemed to be having serious trouble relaying his thoughts and questions.  Constant "uhh's" and "umm's" and misspoken words or misproununciations....seemed like he was really nervous or something.  Glaring only because it's not something you would expect to see from a professional TV journalist.
 
2013-08-21 01:07:02 PM

jayhawk88: I wonder what their thinking was in not renaming the channel as "American News Network" or something equally non-threatening? I know that branding is important and stuff, but a back-to-basics news channel might actually resonate with "folks" if it didn't have the name Al Jazeera and that funny, foreign looking logo.


Or just AJ America - keep the reference to al Jazeera, recognizes that it is their American operation.
 
2013-08-21 01:07:25 PM
I heard they hired a mid-east expert named Mac and her ex-jilted-boyfriend-neurotic-anchor-man Will.

They threw in an assortment of generation Y geniuses / horndogs and insisted on quick, smart dialogue in the office and at their favorite watering hole.

Should be a hit.
 
2013-08-21 01:07:46 PM
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I believe the also "debuted" in America a few years ago. I recall an EXCELLENT interview with one of the Al Jazeera guys (either a broadcaster or executive) on one of the main American news shows (either CNBC or CNN) where the American anchor asked all sorts of insulting questions, linking Al Jazeera with terrorism and trying to make it sound like an al-Qaida funded and watched network. The Al Jazeera guy, armed with facts, absolutely destroyed the American anchor, very politely, by telling him that it was the most watched network in the world, etc.

I've been searching for that interview for a while now, without luck. If anyone can find it, I'd be very appreciative.
 
2013-08-21 01:11:14 PM

Name_Omitted: jayhawk88: I wonder what their thinking was in not renaming the channel as "American News Network" or something equally non-threatening? I know that branding is important and stuff, but a back-to-basics news channel might actually resonate with "folks" if it didn't have the name Al Jazeera and that funny, foreign looking logo.

Part of it is branding, and part of it is journalistic ethics.  They are letting you know who they are, so you can determine for yourself if their news needs interpreting.

If anything, al Jazeera is more of a threat to the neo-liberals than to the conservatives.  They don't sanitize their reporting, and it's hard to maintain the Pollyanna bs neo-iiberal line in the face of real consequences.


That's pretty funny. Oh, wait, you're being serious.
 
2013-08-21 01:11:42 PM
Name_Omitted:

If anything, al Jazeera is more of a threat to the neo-liberals than to the conservatives.  They don't sanitize their reporting, and it's hard to maintain the Pollyanna bs neo-iiberal line in the face of real consequences.

...lolwut?

/...the heck is a neo-liberal, anyhow?
 
2013-08-21 01:12:29 PM
To the uninformed, Al Jazeera is Arab Turrists!
To the slightly informed, it's run by dem oil rich towelheads!

Since they're not competing with Fox News, I think they'll come out OK in this regard

If they can maintain the assertions from Hillary and McCain (and Rumsfeld) that they truly are fair and informative, they'll gasp for air until they come up with a strategy.  That strategy?

"We've been bombed by the US and we've been attacked and shut down by Israel as well as by Arab countries.  However unpopular our reporting is to these governments, our truthful, responsible journalism is essential to their people."

Spin that and downplay the tinfoil hat following, and you cut out a nice niche.

Oh, I almost forgot:  Leggy, leggy women, low-cut tight sweaters, skirts, tall chairs.
 
2013-08-21 01:13:08 PM
Do I get this?  I want this.
 
2013-08-21 01:17:01 PM

Nana's Vibrator: Oh, I almost forgot: Leggy, leggy women, low-cut tight sweaters, skirts, tall chairs.


Hey, it works for RT
 
2013-08-21 01:20:51 PM
Had AJA for a few hours yesterday on Dish. Gone now. Still have RT, so there's that.
 
2013-08-21 01:21:10 PM

Name_Omitted: jayhawk88: I wonder what their thinking was in not renaming the channel as "American News Network" or something equally non-threatening? I know that branding is important and stuff, but a back-to-basics news channel might actually resonate with "folks" if it didn't have the name Al Jazeera and that funny, foreign looking logo.

Part of it is branding, and part of it is journalistic ethics.  They are letting you know who they are, so you can determine for yourself if their news needs interpreting.

If anything, al Jazeera is more of a threat to the neo-liberals than to the conservatives.  They don't sanitize their reporting, and it's hard to maintain the Pollyanna bs neo-iiberal line in the face of real consequences.


The problem is their brand has a seriously negative image in America.  The reason cable companies aren't carrying it is because thier Teapartying customers send them nastygrams if they do.

Now, I suspect this is more a propaganda thing to promote Islam, Qatar, and the Middle East in general than an actual attempt to make money, hence the need to keep the AJ branding.
 
2013-08-21 01:22:19 PM

CrazyCracka420: Oh wow, just hooked up the cable line running to my house to my tv two days ago (I pay for cable internet, not tv) and realized I get broadcast as well as basic cable channels.  Scrolling through them I saw Al-Jazeera yesterday, assumed they'd been carried in the USA for years, but apparently I just have good timing.

/been w/o cable tv for about 5 years


That's very illegal and if the cable company detects it they will run you through the wringer.

I did the same thing years ago and asked a buddy (who worked for the cable co) about it. He told me employees get a cash reward for reporting such things ($1500 IIRC). He also said it's very easy to detect. I started paying for it the next day.
 
2013-08-21 01:23:20 PM
I'm concerned that they share a common Arabic pronoun (Al) with a known terrorist group. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to watch The Sharpton.
 
2013-08-21 01:23:41 PM
One of my idiot uncles commented on FB last night that, "...we should have bombed their [al Jazeera's] office back in 2001 when we had the chance."

/I keep relatives on facebook on my restricted list.
 
2013-08-21 01:23:54 PM

Dwindle: Don't let the last 20 years of Islamic propaganda paid for by oil companies throw you off.


Thanks a lot, Al Fartzeera.
 
2013-08-21 01:24:25 PM

Name_Omitted: jayhawk88: I wonder what their thinking was in not renaming the channel as "American News Network" or something equally non-threatening? I know that branding is important and stuff, but a back-to-basics news channel might actually resonate with "folks" if it didn't have the name Al Jazeera and that funny, foreign looking logo.

Part of it is branding, and part of it is journalistic ethics.  They are letting you know who they are, so you can determine for yourself if their news needs interpreting.

If anything, al Jazeera is more of a threat to the neo-liberals than to the conservatives.  They don't sanitize their reporting, and it's hard to maintain the Pollyanna bs neo-iiberal line in the face of real consequences.


I have to disagree with you. I love AJ's reporting, but if anything I've found them to be literally fair and balanced - both sides will find something to hate, and likewise, something to love. Neocons won't like their dirty laundry getting aired, liberals won't like seeing how nasty the world really is. Sadly I know a bunch of conservatives who think anything with the article "al-" in front of it automatically means terrorist. To the point of protesting in front of city hall that Al Gore should have been charged with treason for investing in AJ.
 
2013-08-21 01:24:28 PM

MyRandomName: Mr. Coffee Nerves: The office's resident Fox News aficionado said he sent an email to Comcast demanding AJA never be put on his cable system so as to, and I'm not joking, "protect our Freedom."

I can make up stories too.


No need to tell us. You've made that painfully obvious over the years.
 
2013-08-21 01:25:07 PM

Kygz: Do I get this?  I want this.


I have to dig through all of Charter's automated customer service first and then I'm going to ask them to put it on.
 
2013-08-21 01:25:21 PM
I saw a commercial for al-Jazeera on FOXNews during O'Reilly last night... I just don't know if it will be as Fair and Balanced as FOXNews, though.... plus, what's the appeal of getting news from a Muslim outlet? Is the fact that al-jazeera is Muslim supposed to lend it more credence than non-Muslim news channels like FNC or FBN? Isn't that the same logic that Farklibs use against FOX for the interview of the Muslim novelist who wrote on Jesus Christ?

Try to be consistent, Farklibs.
 
2013-08-21 01:27:01 PM
I don't get either RT or AJA.  For my daily foreign government sponsered propaganda needs, I'm stuck with CCTV, which, frankly, is pretty bad.
 
Esn
2013-08-21 01:27:39 PM
Al-Jazeera, just like Russia Today, brings much-needed balance to American cable news. All news sources are biased in some way or other. The more honest ones will tell you upfront what their "blind spot" is. The most dishonest ones pretend to be neutral.

An informed society is one that receives its news from many different biases, so all the blind spots are covered.
 
2013-08-21 01:29:30 PM

Summercat: /...the heck is a neo-liberal, anyhow?


Neo means young or new.  So he is saying "new liberals" as opposed to "old liberals."
 
Esn
2013-08-21 01:29:46 PM

Geotpf: Now, I suspect this is more a propaganda thing to promote Islam, Qatar, and the Middle East in general than an actual attempt to make money


The two are not mutually exclusive, you know... it's called marketing, and good marketing can lead to better trade relations.
 
2013-08-21 01:30:18 PM

AirForceVet: I wonder if Fox News is worried.



Oh hell yes. They've already got their "news analysts" kicking the smear campaign into first gear
 
2013-08-21 01:31:35 PM

Aristocles: I saw a commercial for al-Jazeera on FOXNews during O'Reilly last night... I just don't know if it will be as Fair and Balanced as FOXNews, though.... plus, what's the appeal of getting news from a Muslim outlet? Is the fact that al-jazeera is Muslim supposed to lend it more credence than non-Muslim news channels like FNC or FBN? Isn't that the same logic that Farklibs use against FOX for the interview of the Muslim novelist who wrote on Jesus Christ?

Try to be consistent, Farklibs.


hmmmm  al-jazeera presently has reputation of providing actual news (which sometimes runs counter to US narative)
unlike fox (which is known for creating stories)
and unlike the infotainment provided by the others (which movie star is in court)
 
2013-08-21 01:32:54 PM

Don_cos: Summercat: /...the heck is a neo-liberal, anyhow?

Neo means young or new.  So he is saying "new liberals" as opposed to "old liberals."


Yes, I think the original post was referring to, what I call, "Post-Modern Liberalism" as opposed to Classical Liberalism.
 
Esn
2013-08-21 01:34:36 PM

Geotpf: I don't get either RT or AJA.  For my daily foreign government sponsered propaganda needs, I'm stuck with CCTV, which, frankly, is pretty bad.


I did like CCTV's broadcasts of the Chinese astronauts' science physics lessons (from their space station) to millions of Chinese schoolkids. It was pretty neat and it wasn't covered at all on the American channels.
 
2013-08-21 01:35:32 PM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: AirForceVet: I wonder if Fox News is worried.


Oh hell yes. They've already got their "news analysts" kicking the smear campaign into first gear


I wonder why they would run a commercial for a competitor during their best show, The O'Reilly Factor?
 
2013-08-21 01:37:21 PM
A couple years ago I got curious and watched a webcast of the English language version online. It was a roundtable discussion type show and they were debating the Iraq war. Even though not all the guests supported America's actions in Iraq (though some did), the discussion was extremely intelligent, even-handed and the other guests actually LISTENED when someone else was talking. It blew my mind.

In contrast to our news-tainment style were red faced blowhards shout straw man arguments at each other. We should be embarrassed at how juvenile and banal our news media is compared to the rest of the world.
 
2013-08-21 01:37:27 PM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: AirForceVet: I wonder if Fox News is worried.


Oh hell yes. They've already got their "news analysts" kicking the smear campaign into first gear


Fox News supports killing Muslims, and so on...
 
2013-08-21 01:38:18 PM
And Charter's live rep just got a (very polite) request to carry AJA.
 
2013-08-21 01:39:23 PM

bindlestiff2600: hmmmm al-jazeera presently has reputation of providing actual news (which sometimes runs counter to US narative)
unlike fox (which is known for creating stories)


Lemme guess.... You think that FOXNews "created" the Benghazi 4 scandal?

If that's not one of the stories to which you refer: citation needed.
 
Esn
2013-08-21 01:40:06 PM

Geotpf: I don't get either RT or AJA.  For my daily foreign government sponsered propaganda needs, I'm stuck with CCTV, which, frankly, is pretty bad.


Also, do you get BBC? Because that's no less "foreign government sponsored propaganda" than the others.

From what I've seen, RT is taking the role that "Voice of America" used to take in the Soviet Union - they invite American dissidents and academics who don't get to speak on the mainstream news channels. Russia is very clearly trying to use the old American playbook that worked so well in breaking apart the Soviet Union.
 
2013-08-21 01:40:40 PM

CrazyCracka420: Oh wow, just hooked up the cable line running to my house to my tv two days ago (I pay for cable internet, not tv) and realized I get broadcast as well as basic cable channels.  Scrolling through them I saw Al-Jazeera yesterday, assumed they'd been carried in the USA for years, but apparently I just have good timing.

/been w/o cable tv for about 5 years


enjoy it while you can.  All the cable companies are switching to "cable box required" services for all but the most basic channels.

/Dealing with this at work
//screw the cable companies!
 
2013-08-21 01:42:15 PM
Funny to see so many get upset over a news outfit from the Mid-East operating in the US, didn't the NYT and CNN count?

Israel-Firsters are apoplectic about this. I wonder why.
 
2013-08-21 01:42:59 PM

Esn: From what I've seen, RT is taking the role that "Voice of America" used to take in the Soviet Union - they invite American dissidents and academics who don't get to speak on the mainstream news channels. Russia is very clearly trying to use the old American playbook that worked so well in breaking apart the Soviet Union.


State-sponsored news organizations are a bit tricky. It all depends on whether the state is hands-on or hands-off in terms of operation. If they're hands-off, it'll probably be the best news organization in the country, because the profit and ratings pressures are zero and the reporters can just focus on doing their job properly. If the state is hands-on, the result is straight-up propaganda.
 
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