Warthog: I call shenanigans. A school front office employee who appears to be something other than fat, lazy, and disinterested about everything in life other than snack break? There exists no such thing.
doubled99: She's great, but he wasn't going to kill anyone. Just wanted attention.
clancifer: Uranus Is Huge!: kombat_unit: Axissillian: If only she had a gun with her, then the situation could have been escalated.What's a matter, little grabber? Not enough dead people for you to push your agenda?Good thing the NRA and its hive have never used the fear of violence to promote firearms.They are an industry lobbying group. And they do it well -- they know how to ramp up the fear rhetoric to their simple-minded subscribers.
fawlty: OK, I've changed my mind. We need to ban ARs and similar type weapons. I'd love to have one myself, but too many wackos are getting them and those just pose too much of a threat.
lostcatShe must have had a concealed-carry gun on her. We all know that only by arming everyone can we hope to end gun violence.
clanciferShe did this without being armed? Not possible.
Pangea: If we're ever going to talk about the mental health vs legal gun ownership issue, I'd like to throw this in...If you're diagnosed with PTSD and are receiving any level of disability payments due to it, you must surrender your right to own a gun. I'm cool with it being just for the length of time that you're receiving the benefits along with the diagnosis.You've either got a serious psychological condition that renders you "disabled" to some degree, or you don't. Your right to own a gun should be in directcorrelation to that binary.
Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: CygnusDarius: She would've been more effective if she had a gun. No, two guns.How do you get more effective than "bad guy caught, no one hurt?"
mediablitz: stevarooni: Wait, which rights? The right to keep and bear arms is another right. But yeah, they shouldn't be simply thrown into an oubliette the instant they start saying "strange things". There are some pretty sound criteria out there for people who are a danger to society. If they're adjudicated to be mentally incompetent, yep, their guardian/someone with power of attorney needs to get rid of those guns.This approach was presented in my state (Montana). Right wingers wouldn't even allow it to be discussed on the legislature floor, or in committee. Not even DISCUSSED.Seems pretty damn logical and straightforward (domestic violence multiple offenders were also included) to me. But it can't even be discussed.That's why you see the term "gun nuts" bandied about.
stevarooni: Wait, which rights? The right to keep and bear arms is another right. But yeah, they shouldn't be simply thrown into an oubliette the instant they start saying "strange things". There are some pretty sound criteria out there for people who are a danger to society. If they're adjudicated to be mentally incompetent, yep, their guardian/someone with power of attorney needs to get rid of those guns.
drew46n2: How bout that you guntarded farking troglodytes? It would've been much better had she been armed and just killed the dude right? Or maybe if the kids had guns they could've done it. Either way we should do everything possible to make sure that this kind of shiat never happens again and these kids get some tactical firearms training.
mediablitz: stevarooni: I'm sorry, please let me fill in the blank of action. People who are reported as potential dangers to themselves and others should be hospitalized/institutionalized for the safety of society as a whole. That'd be something.The safety of society as a whole sounds so farking funny coming from you. You don't even see it, do you? Go ahead and violate their constitutional rights, but don't you DARE suggest taking away guns!Too funny.
Inchoate: doubled99: She's great, but he wasn't going to kill anyone. Just wanted attention.You can't know that, and neither can I.She was brave and it was effective.
mediablitz: stevarooni: The school's already a fortress with a locked, bullet-proof door. The problem in this case is that the security in place was bypassed because of an asshole who decided to be "nice" and ignore security procedures, letting this doofus in.You don't see the problem as we need to have schools with locked, bullet-proof doors?
Fuggin Bizzy: stevarooni: Guns can be convenient, but don't typically land the highest body count.You're right. Let's not do anything.
RedTank: DeathByGeekSquad: She talked down a depressed copycat. Please do not think that because she talked down this kid, that all individuals in these situations can be talked down.So instead anyone that does what this kid did should be shot and killed on site by frightened armed citizens? The lives of insane, depressed, and desperate people that could be talked down in such a future scenario is worth it for the chance (a high chance) that kids lives could be spared? That's all good and well and can be logically argued for. But I prefer a scenario where such a choice doesn't need to be made in the first place.Maybe we do more for mental health in this country as opposed to turning our schools into fortresses and giving everyone a gun.
Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: stevarooni: FrancoFile: We've got to do something to cover the mental health-guns connection.How about the "mental health-out in public" connection? If he can't be trusted with guns, he can become a menace with any number of things.Yeah, mass murders happen with spoons and chairs and water balloons and pizza and Tootsie rolls...
doubled99: lostcat She's great, but he wasn't going to kill anyone. Just wanted attention.Glad you can confirm that.We sould definitely allow people who just want attention, and don't plan to kill anyone, to wander freely with loaded guns and fire off shots at police officers. What harm are they doing?Yeah, that's exactly what I was advocating! You're so smart!
FrancoFile: Did I miss it in the earlier thread, or do we not have any background info on the shooter? Facebook etc?
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