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(New York Daily News)   School clerk convinced suicidal gunman to drop weapons, surrender to police instead of killing scores of children at Georgia elementary school   (nydailynews.com) divider line 44
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2013-08-21 11:53:25 AM  
6 votes:
This woman is a major hero and deserves this praise!
2013-08-21 12:16:00 PM  
5 votes:

Warthog: I call shenanigans. A school front office employee who appears to be something other than fat, lazy, and disinterested about everything in life other than snack break? There exists no such thing.


The headline should have been:
"UNION THUG PREVENTS PATRIOT FROM EXERCISING HIS SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS!"
2013-08-21 12:21:39 PM  
4 votes:
Take a good look.  This is what the face of a hero looks like:

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2013-08-21 11:57:22 AM  
4 votes:
She did this without being armed?  Not possible.
2013-08-21 11:53:13 AM  
4 votes:
God bless her
2013-08-21 12:37:41 PM  
3 votes:
Yet another would-be celebrity mass murderer.

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"The reporter looked disappointed, so I offered her my theory. "Events like this," I said, "if they are influenced by anything, are influenced by news programs like your own. When an unbalanced kid walks into a school and starts shooting, it becomes a major media event. Cable news drops ordinary programming and goes around the clock with it. The story is assigned a logo and a theme song; these two kids were packaged as the Trench Coat Mafia. The message is clear to other disturbed kids around the country: If I shoot up my school, I can be famous. The TV will talk about nothing else but me. Experts will try to figure out what I was thinking. The kids and teachers at school will see they shouldn't have messed with me. I'll go out in a blaze of glory."

"In short, I said, events like Columbine are influenced far less by violent movies than by CNN, the NBC Nightly News and all the other news media, who glorify the killers in the guise of "explaining" them.

The reporter thanked me and turned off the camera. Of course the interview was never used. They found plenty of talking heads to condemn violent movies, and everybody was happy."
2013-08-21 12:01:23 PM  
3 votes:
If only she had a gun with her, then the situation could have been escalated.
2013-08-21 11:57:41 AM  
3 votes:
The only thing that stops a depressed, homicidal, suicidal madman with a gun is an unarmed southern black woman with a sob story of her own.
2013-08-21 11:53:34 AM  
3 votes:
This woman needs a medal.
2013-08-21 12:26:27 PM  
2 votes:
Approves...

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Better not be obscure
2013-08-21 12:20:24 PM  
2 votes:

doubled99: She's great, but he wasn't going to kill anyone. Just wanted attention.


You can't know that, and neither can I.
She was brave and it was effective.
2013-08-21 12:03:13 PM  
2 votes:
My conclusion is this guy didnt really want to kill anyone. Maybe he thought he did when he loaded up all that firepower, but he either wised up when he got there (seems unlikely to me) or never really was going to kill anyone.

I think he just was crying for attention. And probably mentally ill.

/farking terrible for the parents that had kids there, ugh
2013-08-21 12:01:42 PM  
2 votes:
Ms. Tuff? More like Ms. Tough with titanium ovaries.

And, yeah. The guy seemed more like he the depressed, lonely shooter who is crying out for attention type than anything else. Ms. Tuff did an amazing job in seeing this and getting him to calm down and relate to her on a human level. If she had not been there, who knows what horrific tragedy could have happened.
2013-08-21 12:00:53 PM  
2 votes:
She must have had a concealed-carry gun on her. We all know that only by arming everyone can we hope to end gun violence.
2013-08-21 07:04:00 PM  
1 votes:

clancifer: Uranus Is Huge!: kombat_unit: Axissillian: If only she had a gun with her, then the situation could have been escalated.

What's a matter, little grabber?  Not enough dead people for you to push your agenda?

Good thing the NRA and its hive have never used the fear of violence to promote firearms.

They are an industry lobbying group.  And they do it well -- they know how to ramp up the fear rhetoric to their simple-minded subscribers.


No, they are not. Here, take a look at their tax records.

In 2010 they had an annual income of $227.8 million. $115 million came from fundraising, sales, advertising (they sell ads in their magazines and publications), and royalties. The remaining $112.8 million came from membership dues, making membership dues the largest single chunk of their income.

Between 2005-2010 they received $14.8 million from more than 50 different firearm-related firms, or just under $3 million per year on average. In 2010 their advertising income, most of it from industry, came to $20.9 million (9.2%). Assuming their total income from industry consists of advertising + corporate donations, that's $20.9 + $3 million = $23.9 million, or about 10.5% of their annual income.

Based on their publicly available finances, it sure looks like their mostly speaking for their dues-paying members.
If you're interested in the actual firearms industry trade group, that'd be the National Shooting Sports Foundation.
2013-08-21 06:54:57 PM  
1 votes:
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2013-08-21 04:48:27 PM  
1 votes:

fawlty: OK, I've changed my mind.  We need to ban ARs and similar type weapons.  I'd love to have one myself, but too many wackos are getting them and those just pose too much of a threat.



Don't like ARs?  Don't buy one.
2013-08-21 03:15:02 PM  
1 votes:
lostcat
She must have had a concealed-carry gun on her. We all know that only by arming everyone can we hope to end gun violence.
It's truly great no innocents were harmed, but now you have one (1) example of a nut being talked down by an unarmed person. How many examples do we have of that unarmed person not being able to do a g.d. thing? For me? I'll play the odds. Innocents are worth protecting, and "hope" is not protection.
2013-08-21 03:01:18 PM  
1 votes:
clancifer

She did this without being armed? Not possible.
Just like nobody survives a car crash while not wearing a seatbelt. But keep up your derp.
2013-08-21 02:38:52 PM  
1 votes:

Pangea: If we're ever going to talk about the mental health vs legal gun ownership issue, I'd like to throw this in...

If you're diagnosed with PTSD and are receiving any level of disability payments due to it, you must surrender your right to own a gun.  I'm cool with it being just for the length of time that you're receiving the benefits along with the diagnosis.

You've either got a serious psychological condition that renders you "disabled" to some degree, or you don't. Your right to own a gun should be in directcorrelation to that binary.


Way to make people not want to seek help there, broseph.
2013-08-21 02:15:19 PM  
1 votes:
At least this tragedy will give justification around the country for cities to dump hundreds of thousands of dollars, forcibly extracted from the citizenry through questionable practices, the go ahead to convert their S.W.A.T. teams into ever more frightening, paramilitary entities.

You know...for children. We do you hate America citizen?

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2013-08-21 02:01:47 PM  
1 votes:
quietwalker:
  This lack of foresight is endemic in gun debates, and we so often end up spending time, money, political capital and voter interest on or fighting non-functional 'solutions'.


You seem so close to actually grasping the point with statements like:

We appear to lack answers to even basic questions like "How much time and money is being spent to correct those few situations this technological fix claims value in?" or " Is this an efficient application of our resources?"
 This is not a case of 'every little bit helps' - time and money are finite resources, and they should be spent where they achieve the best outcome.


Then you fark it up with statements like:

If you had a goal of reducing crimes involving handguns, spending on weapon modifications, regulations, certifications, and registrations may very well achieve your goal. It's not the only way to achieve it though - compare spending that money on education, which also has a statistical association with crime reduction. How about strengthening cultural value of marriage (single-parent homes produce more criminal children, committing more severe crimes, especially when the father is absent)?

You're still focusing on the instrument and not the motivation. Waving a magic wand to disappear all guns won't stop Drug Dealer Dan from killing Rival Randy over control of the crack corner because it isn't directed at the underlying driving cause for the violent act. You're asking the right questions, "How can we spend time/money effectively?" but you're applying it to 'gun violence' when you should be asking that question about violence and violent crime instead.

As the old canard goes, "Take the gun out of gun violence and you're still left with violence."


2013-08-21 01:02:10 PM  
1 votes:

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: CygnusDarius: She would've been more effective if she had a gun. No, two guns.

How do you get more effective than "bad guy caught, no one hurt?"


Well, I was being sarcastic towards previous comments in gun threads. But yes, this was the best outcome. Although the best outcome should've been the guy looking at his stash before he left home and think "WTF am I doing? This is wrong!" and stay at home eating Ho-Hos, but this is the second best option.
2013-08-21 12:54:25 PM  
1 votes:
Bah, this is a mental health concern, I could care less about the gun control posturing on both sides.  Credit to the nice lady for her courage and empathy.
2013-08-21 12:52:42 PM  
1 votes:

mediablitz: stevarooni: Wait, which rights? The right to keep and bear arms is another right. But yeah, they shouldn't be simply thrown into an oubliette the instant they start saying "strange things". There are some pretty sound criteria out there for people who are a danger to society. If they're adjudicated to be mentally incompetent, yep, their guardian/someone with power of attorney needs to get rid of those guns.

This approach was presented in my state (Montana). Right wingers wouldn't even allow it to be discussed on the legislature floor, or in committee. Not even DISCUSSED.

Seems pretty damn logical and straightforward (domestic violence multiple offenders were also included) to me. But it can't even be discussed.

That's why you see the term "gun nuts" bandied about.


The devil's in the details, mediablitz.  I don't know those details, but I've seen some slick laws that, if taken literally (as laws ought to be), could prohibit a lot of generally law-abiding, sane people from owning firearms.
2013-08-21 12:48:51 PM  
1 votes:

stevarooni: Wait, which rights? The right to keep and bear arms is another right. But yeah, they shouldn't be simply thrown into an oubliette the instant they start saying "strange things". There are some pretty sound criteria out there for people who are a danger to society. If they're adjudicated to be mentally incompetent, yep, their guardian/someone with power of attorney needs to get rid of those guns.


This approach was presented in my state (Montana). Right wingers wouldn't even allow it to be discussed on the legislature floor, or in committee. Not even DISCUSSED.

Seems pretty damn logical and straightforward (domestic violence multiple offenders were also included) to me. But it can't even be discussed.

That's why you see the term "gun nuts" bandied about.
2013-08-21 12:45:42 PM  
1 votes:

drew46n2: How bout that you guntarded farking troglodytes? It would've been much better had she been armed and just killed the dude right? Or maybe if the kids had guns they could've done it. Either way we should do everything possible to make sure that this kind of shiat never happens again and these kids get some tactical firearms training.


Way to be JUST LIKE the "other side" you are railing against.

Absolutes only!!!

Meanwhile, a 71 year old man shot and killed an escaped convict who was holding him (and his wife) hostage by gunpoint. 4 hours worth of talking solved nothing.

That 71 year old man is CLEARLY a gun nut, right?
2013-08-21 12:45:29 PM  
1 votes:

mediablitz: stevarooni: I'm sorry, please let me fill in the blank of action. People who are reported as potential dangers to themselves and others should be hospitalized/institutionalized for the safety of society as a whole. That'd be something.

The safety of society as a whole sounds so farking funny coming from you. You don't even see it, do you? Go ahead and violate their constitutional rights, but don't you DARE suggest taking away guns!

Too funny.


Wait, which rights?  The right to keep and bear arms is another right.  But yeah, they shouldn't be simply thrown into an oubliette the instant they start saying "strange things".  There are some pretty sound criteria out there for people who are a danger to society.  If they're adjudicated to be mentally incompetent, yep, their guardian/someone with power of attorney needs to get rid of those guns.
2013-08-21 12:39:11 PM  
1 votes:

fawlty: OK, I've changed my mind.  We need to ban ARs and similar type weapons.  I'd love to have one myself, but too many wackos are getting them and those just pose too much of a threat.


The guy is a convicted felon and him having any gun is illegal.  How would a ban have any effect?
2013-08-21 12:38:54 PM  
1 votes:

Inchoate: doubled99: She's great, but he wasn't going to kill anyone. Just wanted attention.

You can't know that, and neither can I.
She was brave and it was effective.


I'm pretty sure the first thing he did after arriving was ask for them to call WSBTV, so yeah we can know that he was interested in getting some attention.
2013-08-21 12:38:31 PM  
1 votes:

mediablitz: stevarooni: The school's already a fortress with a locked, bullet-proof door. The problem in this case is that the security in place was bypassed because of an asshole who decided to be "nice" and ignore security procedures, letting this doofus in.

You don't see the problem as we need to have schools with locked, bullet-proof doors?


I do, yes, but when divorced parents can't act rationally, when the homeless meander aimlessly, some level of building security seems to be necessary.  The best solution would be teachers and staff aware of who should and shouldn't be in the building and handle it; that would take care of 99% of what actually happens in schools.
2013-08-21 12:35:18 PM  
1 votes:

Fuggin Bizzy: stevarooni: Guns can be convenient, but don't typically land the highest body count.

You're right. Let's not do anything.


I'm sorry, please let me fill in the blank of action.  People who are reported as potential dangers to themselves and others should be hospitalized/institutionalized for the safety of society as a whole.  That'd be something.

Fuggin Bizzy: stevarooni: Then someone is intentionally lying to you, or unintentionally stating exaggerations as fact.

Wayne LaPierre. Heard of him?


To be fair, though, once "a bad guy with a gun" starts shooting, a gun is the most effective way of stopping him.  He'll also stop when he runs out of ammunition, the police arrive, or he gets tackled by some lucky bystanders who run him.  But yeah, as written, as an absolute, it's not entirely correct.
2013-08-21 12:30:37 PM  
1 votes:

RedTank: DeathByGeekSquad: She talked down a depressed copycat.  Please do not think that because she talked down this kid, that all individuals in these situations can be talked down.

So instead anyone that does what this kid did should be shot and killed on site by frightened armed citizens?  The lives of insane, depressed, and desperate people that could be talked down in such a future scenario is worth it for the chance (a high chance) that kids lives could be spared?  That's all good and well and can be logically argued for.  But I prefer a scenario where such a choice doesn't need to be made in the first place.

Maybe we do more for mental health in this country as opposed to turning our schools into fortresses and giving everyone a gun.


I'd prefer that idiot/insane 20 year olds don't go to schools strapped to kill, if we could have our d'ruthers'.  But in this situation, I'd prefer teachers to have the possibility of shooting him rather than no option but try to talk down a kid who might not pause before he begins shooting or wait for the police to arrive.

The school's already a fortress with a locked, bullet-proof door.  The problem in this case is that the security in place was bypassed because of an asshole who decided to be "nice" and ignore security procedures, letting this doofus in.
2013-08-21 12:28:14 PM  
1 votes:
Let me guess: He was white?

*checks photo*

When are we going to do something about these animals??!?

/fun with confirmation bias
2013-08-21 12:27:24 PM  
1 votes:

fawlty: OK, I've changed my mind.  We need to ban ARs and similar type weapons.  I'd love to have one myself, but too many wackos are getting them and those just pose too much of a threat.


It is worth the blood of the innocents, so that some brave patriot can go out and plug beer cans with an AR.
No cost is too great, because freedom, and shiat.


\this is what gun nuts believe.
2013-08-21 12:24:46 PM  
1 votes:

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: stevarooni: FrancoFile: We've got to do something to cover the mental health-guns connection.

How about the "mental health-out in public" connection?  If he can't be trusted with guns, he can become a menace with any number of things.

Yeah, mass murders happen with spoons and chairs and water balloons and pizza and Tootsie rolls...


And cars, and gasoline, and natural gas, and kitchen knives, and fertilizer.

There are a lot of things with which mass murder can be accomplished.  Guns can be convenient, but don't typically land the highest body count.
2013-08-21 12:23:44 PM  
1 votes:

doubled99: lostcat She's great, but he wasn't going to kill anyone. Just wanted attention.

Glad you can confirm that.

We sould definitely allow people who just want attention, and don't plan to kill anyone, to wander freely with loaded guns and fire off shots at police officers. What harm are they doing?


Yeah, that's exactly what I was advocating! You're so smart!


Maybe you should consider how others will interpret your remarks?
2013-08-21 12:21:40 PM  
1 votes:
lostcat She's great, but he wasn't going to kill anyone. Just wanted attention.

Glad you can confirm that.

We sould definitely allow people who just want attention, and don't plan to kill anyone, to wander freely with loaded guns and fire off shots at police officers. What harm are they doing?



Yeah, that's exactly what I was advocating! You're so smart!
2013-08-21 12:09:45 PM  
1 votes:
She talked down a depressed copycat.  Please do not think that because she talked down this kid, that all individuals in these situations can be talked down.
2013-08-21 12:09:13 PM  
1 votes:
She's great, but he wasn't going to kill anyone. Just wanted attention.
2013-08-21 12:06:42 PM  
1 votes:

FrancoFile: Did I miss it in the earlier thread, or do we not have any background info on the shooter?  Facebook etc?


He's kind of an asshole. Collects guns, I heard.
2013-08-21 11:59:44 AM  
1 votes:
She would've been more effective if she had a gun. No, two guns.
2013-08-21 11:56:15 AM  
1 votes:
She will be fired in 3. 2. 1....
2013-08-21 11:56:11 AM  
1 votes:
She should go buy a fark ton of lottery tickets.
 
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