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2013-08-21 02:27:56 PM

PocketfullaSass: Currently going through Effexor withdrawals....

/gettin' a kick


That shiat was WORST. Extremely scary side effects.

"Hey, doc? Yeah it's megarian. It feels like someone stabbed a live wire into my brain."

"Oh. That's just a side effect from Effexor."

"...thanks for the heads-up. Douche."
 
2013-08-21 02:28:55 PM

megarian: not the "I'm kind of sad today" depression


The "get the fark outta my face or I will stab you in the throat the second you blink" kind?
 
2013-08-21 02:29:05 PM
*the worst
 
2013-08-21 02:32:22 PM

megarian: offmymeds: You know what's really depressing? This was a thread featured last week on the main page and now it's been greened again.

/wake up, mods

Your handle made me lulz.


i1136.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-21 02:33:54 PM

JohnnyCanuck: megarian: not the "I'm kind of sad today" depression

The "get the fark outta my face or I will stab you in the throat the second you blink" kind?


Hehe. Yeah. And the "oh fark my entire body is made out of lead and if I move/could move I will surely die."

And the "Yes, canceling the TV, phone, mail because fark you" seems legit, rational, and necessary.
 
2013-08-21 02:35:49 PM

dumbobruni: its not 1/4 of all Americans. Its 1/4 of middle-aged women.

Overall usage is 1 in 10, which is on par with Iceland.


So I see we need to resurrect the hysteria diagnosis.

Orgasms are the answer, not pills that make them far less likely.
 
2013-08-21 02:39:53 PM

megarian: Hehe. Yeah. And the "oh fark my entire body is made out of lead and if I move/could move I will surely die."

And the "Yes, canceling the TV, phone, mail because fark you" seems legit, rational, and necessary.


Oh, that kind. Good luck.
 
2013-08-21 02:41:23 PM

JohnnyCanuck: megarian: Hehe. Yeah. And the "oh fark my entire body is made out of lead and if I move/could move I will surely die."

And the "Yes, canceling the TV, phone, mail because fark you" seems legit, rational, and necessary.

Oh, that kind. Good luck.


Thanks. Doing much better now. :)
 
2013-08-21 02:41:40 PM

voltOhm: Or society has failed. I'm putting my money on the last one.


Why can't it be both?
 
2013-08-21 02:50:14 PM

megarian: Thanks. Doing much better now. :)


fc04.deviantart.net
 
2013-08-21 02:50:49 PM
I kid, of course.
 
2013-08-21 02:51:22 PM
Technically I'm on an anti-depressant, but it's actually just a really low dose for ADD.  And it works pretty damn well.  I wonder if I'm counted in the numbers?
 
2013-08-21 02:52:43 PM

Marley'sGirl: Sadly exercise is under-prescribed.  Of course, the medical industry doesn't make any money off of the healthy people.


Exercise is not under prescribed. The problem is that this country wouldn't exercise if you paid them all a million dollars a year to do so. Americans are lazy slobs.

I agree with your general idea though. Exercise is almost unbeatable for low-level depression/anxiety. It is for me anyway.
 
2013-08-21 02:56:49 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: This is the result of a good marketing campaign, good lobbyist, and lazy healthcare professionals.


Even lazier submitters.

Article says one in ten general population, 1 in 4 women over 40.
 
2013-08-21 02:59:37 PM

megarian: PocketfullaSass: Currently going through Effexor withdrawals....

/gettin' a kick

That shiat was WORST. Extremely scary side effects.

"Hey, doc? Yeah it's megarian. It feels like someone stabbed a live wire into my brain."

"Oh. That's just a side effect from Effexor."

"...thanks for the heads-up. Douche."


Effexor is the worst drug on the planet. My brother was psycho when he took Effexor. Weening off of it was a grueling process. A lady in our office has black-outs and internal bleeding as a result. Everyone I know that has or does take it has migraines and periods of blind rage. Most experience extended periods of having zero filter on their behavior. Drinking AT ALL with it turns said person into a demon. You should look into Viibryd. It's way more expensive, but better. Or just take Vitamin B12 supplements and work out / eat right.
 
2013-08-21 03:03:07 PM

loki see loki do: DROxINxTHExWIND: This is the result of a good marketing campaign, good lobbyist, and lazy healthcare professionals.

Even lazier submitters.

Article says one in ten general population, 1 in 4 women over 40.


You do know that 1 in 10 is about 30 million people, don't you?
 
2013-08-21 03:08:01 PM

sigdiamond2000: Marley'sGirl: Sadly exercise is under-prescribed.  Of course, the medical industry doesn't make any money off of the healthy people.

Exercise is not under prescribed. The problem is that this country wouldn't exercise if you paid them all a million dollars a year to do so. Americans are lazy slobs.

I agree with your general idea though. Exercise is almost unbeatable for low-level depression/anxiety. It is for me anyway.


The problem is that people think "Exercise" means you have to drive to a gym somewhere and lift weights among a bunch of meatheads and then run around some obnoxiously repetitive track for an hour.

This is merely anecdotal based on my limited time abroad, but it doesn't seem like other fitter countries have some gym every four blocks promising a flatter belly in 3 months. I think it stems from the fact that the average American's sedentary lifestyle revolves around sitting in traffic in a car taking you to an office where you sit and stare blankly at a screen full of shiat numbers that eventually suck enough soul out of you that you're too damn tired to drive to farking xport or equinox or Joe's Pump you Up.

Instead maybe people should try walking around outside and trying new things. Perhaps a pickup game of basketball.

As for me, I'll have another bourbon to help mask my fark-all existence.
 
2013-08-21 03:09:08 PM
Has anyone else ever had problems with their eyes/vision while being on anti-depressants? I swear I've been on everything under the sun, but both Abilify and Lithium cause blurred vision. Of course the actual benefits of the Lithium outweigh the drawbacks, so I'm left not seeing clearly.
 
2013-08-21 03:10:45 PM
 I think it's a symptom of living in an empire in decline. Russia has a heroin problem that is insane but we're a bit more developed so we get pharmaceuticals and smack.
 
2013-08-21 03:11:41 PM
or everything you've worked for has been stolen or, evaporated, or broken.
25% is sort of, well, light I think.
Did they poll only 17 year olds?
 
2013-08-21 03:11:59 PM

the money is in the banana stand: megarian: PocketfullaSass: Currently going through Effexor withdrawals....

/gettin' a kick

That shiat was WORST. Extremely scary side effects.

"Hey, doc? Yeah it's megarian. It feels like someone stabbed a live wire into my brain."

"Oh. That's just a side effect from Effexor."

"...thanks for the heads-up. Douche."

Effexor is the worst drug on the planet. My brother was psycho when he took Effexor. Weening off of it was a grueling process. A lady in our office has black-outs and internal bleeding as a result. Everyone I know that has or does take it has migraines and periods of blind rage. Most experience extended periods of having zero filter on their behavior. Drinking AT ALL with it turns said person into a demon. You should look into Viibryd. It's way more expensive, but better. Or just take Vitamin B12 supplements and work out / eat right.


I'm going off of it because my mood and situation have improved immensely. I had to try several drugs to pull me out of a really bad depressive episode & Effexor did it for me. I'm just extremely pissed that no health professional told me that withdrawing from it (even the correct way) would be like a farking unguided tour through Dante's Inferno.  It's getting a little better every day, and for that I guess I'm thankful.
 
2013-08-21 03:12:18 PM

Stibium: Sure they are overprescribed, but there is little choice in the matter. For many, therapy is the correct choice but that takes time, money, and is often considered shameful.

The only therapy I can get right now is run by incompetent and/or inexperienced people. I can only get in maybe once every two weeks and I'm limited to an hour. The people I need are well beyond what I can pay, and I doubt that if I ever get a job with benefits they'd pay. As well, it's really difficult for people to keep going to their doctors so often without jeopardizing their jobs. And as I said before, I really doubt I could openly tell people I'm going to a psychiatrist without them thinking I'm a crazed lunatic bent on killing everyone in the office.

Let's not forget we have a society that wants instant gratification above all else.

/Because of all of those, I can't get the help I need.


Same thing. If 1 in 10 overall and 25% of certain age groups need therapy, something is also not right. Either something is wrong with the diagnosis, or there is something seriously wrong with your society if really that many people need help.  If the latter, neither therapy nor pills would help because that is fighting symptoms of the societal disease.
 
2013-08-21 03:12:30 PM
The job market is also pretty depressing. I just got turned down for a job because I didn't have a year of 3d modeling at my last job. Nevermind that I graduated top of my class because of it, that I solved numerous problems at a previous job that someone with longer training couldn't manage, and that I have a personal copy of the software that I use often.

I'm horrendously overqualified for the vast majority of jobs available, don't have people skills at all (woohoo emotional detachment), and the rest require years of experience I can't get without the job in the first place.

I'm venting, but there are no doubt many, many people in my shoes.
 
2013-08-21 03:12:51 PM
What's harder- actually diagnosing a patient's symptoms or prescribing a medication that will make a patient not give a damn about what's wrong with him?  Look at how many times chronic heart problems are misdiagnosed as panic disorders.  Chest pain?  It's a panic attack- here, have a Xanax.  Chronic chest pain?  Here, take a Cymbalta and a Paxil every day.  This stethoscope?  Oh, we just wear them for tradition's sake.  I don't need to listen to your heartbeat to know that you're just fine.  Plus, I get a bonus for not sending you to a cardiologist... oops, shouldn't have mentioned that...

And when you have a heart attack and have to spend three weeks in the hospital, they get mad at you for "ignoring the symptoms."  After you do what they say (take a couple Xanax) when you have "the symptoms."
 
2013-08-21 03:21:49 PM

megarian: Do not fark with my coffee.

Do not fark with my nighttime drinky-fun.

Do not fark with my lithium.

Yay!


Word.  If you fark with my lithium, I will, and I say this in all seriousness, kill you.  I was hospitalized because I became homicidal and psychotic (thank the gods that I was still grounded *just* enough to go to the hospital and tell them that they better lock my ass up), and I was diagnosed as bipolar.  I was misdiagnosed with depression, and the antidepressants just made me worse.  I just never noticed until I snapped that night.

I was put on lithium and Seroquel, and I'm a new farking person.  I still have bad paranoia, but other than that, I'm a normal, optimistic, and cheerful person.  But if those meds ever get taken away, no one is safe around me.

It always bothers me when people (nobody here, just generally speaking) say that psychiatric medication has no place in medicine.  These medications are critical in keeping people safe and healthy.  Not just the patient themselves, but those around them.
 
2013-08-21 03:23:54 PM

Amos Quito: Thinking about trying antidepressants?

Sure, talk to your doctor, but don't stop there - do you own research - especially when it comes to the SNRI class of AD's.

For some they are like "miracle drugs" - vastly improving quality of life, but for others, the side-effects can be hell - and coming off of them can be like quitting heroin. No exaggeration.

Also, AskAPatient.com is an excellent resource for learning the experiences that others have ad with AD's or ANY pharmaceutical.

Also, your pharmacist often knows more about drugs than your doctor - ask questions and do your research. It's your health and well being that's on the line.

$.02


Crazymeds is another good source

http://www.crazymeds.us/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HomePage
 
2013-08-21 03:24:36 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: loki see loki do: DROxINxTHExWIND: This is the result of a good marketing campaign, good lobbyist, and lazy healthcare professionals.
Even lazier submitters.
Article says one in ten general population, 1 in 4 women over 40.
You do know that 1 in 10 is about 30 million people, don't you?


So? The headline says 25% of a population. loki see loki do was pointing out that number isn't 25% of the general population.

1 in 10 people could be a reasonable portion of the population to need medical help for depression. Even if that translates to 30 million people.
 
2013-08-21 03:24:44 PM

JohnnyCanuck: megarian: not the "I'm kind of sad today" depression

The "get the fark outta my face or I will stab you in the throat the second you blink" kind?


That's anger. Depression is more like "get the fark out of my face so I can stare into space until I fall back asleep to escape from our pitiful existence."

My problems are my doctor gives me medicine cocktails so I can't tell which  meds are effective, have side effects or what other problems are just a result of getting old. And yeah, I exercise and eat right, more or less.

Also, mentalpod.com is a great resource.
 
2013-08-21 03:29:11 PM
Never take any psychiatric medication from a non-psychiatric doctor .
 
2013-08-21 03:31:20 PM

PocketfullaSass: Currently going through Effexor withdrawals....

/gettin' a kick


Two words for Effexor: Never again.

For some reason, I started getting withdrawal symptoms a couple hours before my dose time every day. I was happy to be getting off of it until I was actually trying to get off of it.

/Wellbutrin now. It's the bestest thing ever.
//Well, ok, perhaps not, but this is only the second time I've known actual, lasting happiness in over a decade
///Sadly, it does absolutely nothing for the ADD as far as I can tell
 
2013-08-21 03:31:43 PM
to the makers of my chaos
of you do i grieve
is there nothing off limits
up there in your sleeves
as you'll stop at nothing
to nothing you'll weave
what would you have me believe
don't think i need to ask
what i need to know
of the depth of your illness
the lengths you would go
you can't feel your own sorrow
at the bad seeds you sow
what would you like me to throw
ive thrown all the dishes
and all of your trash
all the way out the window
with your wishes
and burned all your memory to ash
 
2013-08-21 03:35:46 PM
Words and music (C)(P) 2013 (Redacted) Music
 
2013-08-21 03:36:45 PM

JohnnyCanuck: megarian: Thanks. Doing much better now. :)

[fc04.deviantart.net image 850x477]


reminded me of:

www.horrorphile.net

pic doesn't do any justice for a redheaded Angela Bettis
 
2013-08-21 03:37:22 PM
 
2013-08-21 03:39:18 PM

finnished: Never take any psychiatric medication from a non-psychiatric doctor .


I did that once under the direction of my therapist because there were no new-patient appointments for a psychiatrist for about 3 months and I was suicidal. Went to my favorite doctor at the general practice, and it probably saved my ass, but that is how I ended up on Effexor. Which also had a tendency to make me jittery and a bit whacko, which combined with my (then undiagnosed) ADD to make me... amusing. What I remember of those few months is entertaining in retrospect.

dumbobruni: Crazymeds is another good source

http://www.crazymeds.us/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HomePage


I love Crazymeds. That is always the first place I look when a new med is prescribed or even suggested.
 
2013-08-21 03:44:52 PM

Krieghund: DROxINxTHExWIND: loki see loki do: DROxINxTHExWIND: This is the result of a good marketing campaign, good lobbyist, and lazy healthcare professionals.
Even lazier submitters.
Article says one in ten general population, 1 in 4 women over 40.
You do know that 1 in 10 is about 30 million people, don't you?

So? The headline says 25% of a population. loki see loki do was pointing out that number isn't 25% of the general population.

1 in 10 people could be a reasonable portion of the population to need medical help for depression. Even if that translates to 30 million people.



Settle down, white knight. I'm not arguing semantics. The headline is about over-prescription of anti-depressants. I merely stated that 30 million is still a lot of people to be on prescription mood enhancers. 25% could also be a reasonable portion of the population to need medical help for depression. We don't know. Just saying, whether is 78 million people or "merely" 30 million, its a lot.
 
2013-08-21 03:47:19 PM
*takes shot of vodka*
what's going on in here?

oh

*leaves*
 
2013-08-21 03:48:21 PM

Nana's Vibrator: JohnnyCanuck: megarian: Thanks. Doing much better now. :)

[fc04.deviantart.net image 850x477]

reminded me of:

[www.horrorphile.net image 250x188]

pic doesn't do any justice for a redheaded Angela Bettis


That is the second time I've had someone mention/recommend that movie...kind of. Maybe I will grab in for some late night viewing. Sounds like something I could enjoy.
 
2013-08-21 03:48:57 PM
You're next ADD meds..
 
2013-08-21 03:50:16 PM

snuffy: this situation surely does not have anything to do with the country going head long into the sewer for the few decades.

our future is so bright i sold my shades.


The sound you hear is the crashing expectations of millions of snowflakes.

Life is pain, anyone who says different is selling something.
 
2013-08-21 03:52:17 PM
Or there is an epidemic of depression.
 
2013-08-21 03:53:00 PM

JohnnyCanuck: megarian: Thanks. Doing much better now. :)


This gave me smiles.
 
2013-08-21 03:55:20 PM
I took effexor for a year because.....I guess because i am an American and I am not a Kardishian.  But anyways a year of that and I decided to stop taking it because of reasons.  Withdrawl symptoms may include:
WANTING farkING KILL EVERYBODY AROUND YOU TO DEATH!!!

Yea, my mother wanted me back on antidepressants, because you know, life sucks and some of us notice that fact.  And eventually I agreed and I described how at the best time when I was on antidepressants I felt wonderfully numb, no worry about hapiness or sadness, no strong emotions.  Being awake was almost like being asleep in its comfort no matter If I was with my family (who called me "distant" while on AD's) or at work or in a traffic jam with everybody around me screaming.  Antidepressants should be force fed to the world.  You could murder my entire family in front of me while I was on AD's and I could scarecely find a fark to give anywhere.  It was amazing.   Not being able to care about anything or anybody is the greatest drug ever invented, absolutely 0 stress, no matter what.  That is worth your farking soul right there.  My mother stopped bringing up AD's not too long ago when I mentioned why I loved them so much.


So ya I havent had any antidepressants in years.  It sucks.  I worry about my two boys (one with severe Autism spectrum who is on two fistfull of drugs himself) constantly, I panic about money, I worry about my family and I keep hoping for a heart attack to take all this fear away.  I miss not being able to care about anything and just working day in and day out with no progress but no stress.  I miss being numb soo farking much.  farking Obamacare wont even save me because farking Perry's Texas wont allow it.

/wish I had a button that I could press to destroy the world.
 
2013-08-21 03:58:58 PM

the money is in the banana stand: megarian: PocketfullaSass: Currently going through Effexor withdrawals....

/gettin' a kick

That shiat was WORST. Extremely scary side effects.

"Hey, doc? Yeah it's megarian. It feels like someone stabbed a live wire into my brain."

"Oh. That's just a side effect from Effexor."

"...thanks for the heads-up. Douche."

Effexor is the worst drug on the planet. My brother was psycho when he took Effexor. Weening off of it was a grueling process. A lady in our office has black-outs and internal bleeding as a result. Everyone I know that has or does take it has migraines and periods of blind rage. Most experience extended periods of having zero filter on their behavior. Drinking AT ALL with it turns said person into a demon. You should look into Viibryd. It's way more expensive, but better. Or just take Vitamin B12 supplements and work out / eat right.


I get vitamin B shots now. An I'm on lithium and umm...lamitcial? Something like that.

I farking love the vitamin B shots. Huge difference. Sunlight made a huge difference.

Effexor...ugh. I started getting unexplained horrific bruises. Colorful, too...looked like nebulae. Buy it appeared that someone in the middle of the night and beat me with a bat. I had a person at college stage an "intervention" so I would admit I was being abused. I wasn't and it was extremely embarrassing. But yeah. Fark that shiat and fark coming off of that shiat.
 
2013-08-21 04:00:34 PM
One last thing about Effexor:

NOTHING should have the side effect of "feeling of brain electrocution".
 
2013-08-21 04:03:04 PM

megarian: the money is in the banana stand: megarian: PocketfullaSass: Currently going through Effexor withdrawals....

/gettin' a kick

That shiat was WORST. Extremely scary side effects.

"Hey, doc? Yeah it's megarian. It feels like someone stabbed a live wire into my brain."

"Oh. That's just a side effect from Effexor."

"...thanks for the heads-up. Douche."

Effexor is the worst drug on the planet. My brother was psycho when he took Effexor. Weening off of it was a grueling process. A lady in our office has black-outs and internal bleeding as a result. Everyone I know that has or does take it has migraines and periods of blind rage. Most experience extended periods of having zero filter on their behavior. Drinking AT ALL with it turns said person into a demon. You should look into Viibryd. It's way more expensive, but better. Or just take Vitamin B12 supplements and work out / eat right.

I get vitamin B shots now. An I'm on lithium and umm...lamitcial? Something like that.

I farking love the vitamin B shots. Huge difference. Sunlight made a huge difference.

Effexor...ugh. I started getting unexplained horrific bruises. Colorful, too...looked like nebulae. Buy it appeared that someone in the middle of the night and beat me with a bat. I had a person at college stage an "intervention" so I would admit I was being abused. I wasn't and it was extremely embarrassing. But yeah. Fark that shiat and fark coming off of that shiat.


Ol buddy of mine, lifetime lithium user for bipolar issues recently got out of the hospital for I believe "complete renal failure" due to lithium poisoning.  Now he cant have lithium any more, he's scared shiatless.  Life without lithium for him may be undo-able if they cant find a suitable replacement.

The UP's are fun, but the DOWN's are gun in your mouth time.
 
2013-08-21 04:06:15 PM

megarian: One last thing about Effexor:

NOTHING should have the side effect of "feeling of brain electrocution".


Dude, ZOLOFT!  Zoloft did nothing for depression.  But it was highly entertaining to be on.  Never knew what I was going to feel or hear next or where.  A few weeks into that and I was in the server room talking to myself "well.....i'm not bored at least."
 
2013-08-21 04:08:47 PM
orclover:
The UP's are fun, but the DOWN's are gun in your mouth time.

Yuuuuup.
 
2013-08-21 04:11:09 PM

JohnnyCanuck: Nana's Vibrator: JohnnyCanuck: megarian: Thanks. Doing much better now. :)

[fc04.deviantart.net image 850x477]

reminded me of:

[www.horrorphile.net image 250x188]

pic doesn't do any justice for a redheaded Angela Bettis

That is the second time I've had someone mention/recommend that movie...kind of. Maybe I will grab in for some late night viewing. Sounds like something I could enjoy.


I don't know your movie tastes, but I'd recommend it.  If you were just going to watch (insert movie here) for the 10th time, you should definitely spend the time watching May.  If choosing to see Goodfellas, Shawshank, Godfather, or May but have never seen any of them, I'd go with the other 3.
 
2013-08-21 04:11:45 PM

megarian: One last thing about Effexor:

NOTHING should have the side effect of "feeling of brain electrocution".


Oh god, or hearing your eyes move, or needing to puke from vertigo caused by moving your eyes, or eating like you have a tapeworm until your stomach distends, or full body muscle cramps, or horrific nightmares once you are able to finally get to sleep since you have insomnia due to the brain jolts and non-existent loud banging noises.

Just a few of the good times I've had over the past week of getting off my super small, tapered down dose.
 
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