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(The New York Times)   Study shows when 25% of a population takes antidepressants, they're probably being overprescribed   (well.blogs.nytimes.com) divider line 120
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2013-08-21 09:00:04 AM  
Or society has failed. I'm putting my money on the last one.
 
2013-08-21 09:18:38 AM  
this situation surely does not have anything to do with the country going head long into the sewer for the few decades.

our future is so bright i sold my shades.
 
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2013-08-21 10:11:13 AM  
You don't have to have a "Major Depressive Episode" to have depression.  Not to mention that some anti-depression medication like Cymbalta is prescribed for chronic pain too.
 
2013-08-21 10:48:36 AM  
You can have my Lexapro when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.
 
2013-08-21 01:50:41 PM  
I prefer depressants, like scotch
 
2013-08-21 01:52:04 PM  

voltOhm: Or society has failed. I'm putting my money on the last one.


Oh come on, who doesn't want to spend the majority of their life in a job they hate or stuck in traffic getting to the job they hate. Nothing depressing about that.
 
2013-08-21 01:52:34 PM  
If you think about it, it's quite obvious why America has the highest rates of depression and anxiety in the world.  And quite obvious that it's going to get worse.
 
2013-08-21 01:52:40 PM  

Litterbox: You can have my Lexapro when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.


Ditto.
 
2013-08-21 01:53:13 PM  
Or we've always had about 25 percent of the population that would benefit from anti-depressants, but the drugs hadn't been invented.
 
2013-08-21 01:53:13 PM  
You try working here. Productivity goes up, pay goes down, commutes increase on deteriorating roads, and time off is a joke.

I need a Xanax just thinking about it. I'd smoke a joint, but that's illegal.
 
2013-08-21 01:53:36 PM  

Litterbox: You can have my Lexapro when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.


What dosage are you on? I went up to 20 from 10 this year and I'm honestly no longer noticing a difference.
 
2013-08-21 01:53:53 PM  

Meranath: Litterbox: You can have my Lexapro when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.

Ditto.


I switched to Celexa. The exact same effect, but there's a generic version and it costs about a nickel.
 
2013-08-21 01:54:46 PM  
Learning that 1/4 of the country is prescribed antidepressants is depressing.
 
2013-08-21 01:55:06 PM  

Meranath: Litterbox: You can have my Lexapro when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.

Ditto.


Sounds like good stuff. How do I get my hands on some?
 
2013-08-21 01:55:42 PM  

MayoSlather: voltOhm: Or society has failed. I'm putting my money on the last one.

Oh come on, who doesn't want to spend the majority of their life in a job they hate or stuck in traffic getting to the job they hate. Nothing depressing about that.


clearly the solution is more pills
 
2013-08-21 01:55:44 PM  
Not in my case...

How do you get a baby out of a blender?

Tortilla chips.
 
2013-08-21 01:57:14 PM  

Voiceofreason01: MayoSlather: voltOhm:

clearly the solution is more pills


Good ole soma. I would love a pill that made me feel like I've had 3 beers and a shot all day, everyday.
 
2013-08-21 01:57:29 PM  
So that's why everyone acts so apathetic about everything these days.  "Who cares!  It's such a beautiful day!"
 
2013-08-21 01:58:31 PM  
This study depresses me.
 
2013-08-21 01:58:48 PM  
Do not fark with my coffee.

Do not fark with my nighttime drinky-fun.

Do not fark with my lithium.

Yay!
 
2013-08-21 01:59:18 PM  

Voiceofreason01: MayoSlather: voltOhm: Or society has failed. I'm putting my money on the last one.

Oh come on, who doesn't want to spend the majority of their life in a job they hate or stuck in traffic getting to the job they hate. Nothing depressing about that.

clearly the solution is more pills


Maybe it is the solution. Just because something comes in pill form doesn't mean it can't be awesome.
 
2013-08-21 01:59:38 PM  
I would love to go through may day, out in la la land.
 
2013-08-21 02:00:22 PM  
This is the result of a good marketing campaign, good lobbyist, and lazy healthcare professionals.
 
2013-08-21 02:02:03 PM  
How do you make an antidepressant?

Tell her that she is well past middle age, never made anything of her life, and is going to die alone and unloved.
 
2013-08-21 02:02:39 PM  
Want to get rid of the pills?  legalize pot.

You simply can't be depressed with Doritos, Mountain Dew, and Bugs Bunny.
 
2013-08-21 02:03:43 PM  
OMG...that is like sooooo sad. :-(
 
2013-08-21 02:04:23 PM  

Russ1642: Voiceofreason01: MayoSlather: voltOhm: Or society has failed. I'm putting my money on the last one.

Oh come on, who doesn't want to spend the majority of their life in a job they hate or stuck in traffic getting to the job they hate. Nothing depressing about that.

clearly the solution is more pills

Maybe it is the solution. Just because something comes in pill form doesn't mean it can't be awesome.


A solution via delusion. If we can just chemically alter perception enough then life might be worth living.

I don't have anything against being artificially happy; I'd just prefer the ability to live in a naturally happier world, with the option of occasionally feeling chemically happy too.
 
2013-08-21 02:04:45 PM  
The other 75% just have a hangover.
 
2013-08-21 02:05:18 PM  

Russ1642: Voiceofreason01: MayoSlather: voltOhm: Or society has failed. I'm putting my money on the last one.

Oh come on, who doesn't want to spend the majority of their life in a job they hate or stuck in traffic getting to the job they hate. Nothing depressing about that.

clearly the solution is more pills

Maybe it is the solution. Just because something comes in pill form doesn't mean it can't be awesome.


I agree. I was laid off and had a week to kill before the next job started.

Xanax and video games.
 
2013-08-21 02:08:19 PM  
FTFA Officials noted that depressive symptoms may be a normal, transient reaction to disappointment or loss.

Sounds a lot like:
"They didn't have depression in the middle ages.  You know why you were blue, a third of the continent just f*cking died." - George Carlin
 
2013-08-21 02:09:16 PM  

uncleacid: The other 75% just have a hangover.


heh i saw a sign outside a bar in dallas that said "Hate your job? There's a support group for that, it's called the bar. We meet every day"
 
2013-08-21 02:12:12 PM  
The article stated that 1 in 10 Americans take antidepressant medication.
 
2013-08-21 02:12:30 PM  

voltOhm: Or society has failed. I'm putting my money on the last one.


Oh good. I'm glad someone tagged this right away. Ditto certain types of other drug use, various social problems, etc.
 
2013-08-21 02:12:30 PM  
Sadly exercise is under-prescribed.  Of course, the medical industry doesn't make any money off of the healthy people.
 
2013-08-21 02:12:45 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: This is the result of a good marketing campaign, good lobbyist, and lazy healthcare professionals.


It's not lazy healthcare professionals. It's a patient population who expects and demands that anytime anything is less than perfect its doctor should just fix it. It's really no different than the article a couple of days ago about antibiotics. You could have a twenty minute discussion with a patient about abuse of antibiotics, the relative rarity of bacterial infections, other causes of cough and congestion, etc, and at the end the patient will respond "So, my cousin said I need Z-packs." Except in this case it's Xanax or Lexapro or whatever drug is buying ad space this week.
 
2013-08-21 02:12:45 PM  

Karma Chameleon: Litterbox: You can have my Lexapro when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.

What dosage are you on? I went up to 20 from 10 this year and I'm honestly no longer noticing a difference.


Yup. Been there.

If you want to stay on the chemical route, be ready to take several months testing out others until you find one that works. It's a sparking good time.
 
2013-08-21 02:12:54 PM  
Drugs are awesome
i2.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-08-21 02:13:09 PM  
Sure they are overprescribed, but there is little choice in the matter. For many, therapy is the correct choice but that takes time, money, and is often considered shameful.

The only therapy I can get right now is run by incompetent and/or inexperienced people. I can only get in maybe once every two weeks and I'm limited to an hour. The people I need are well beyond what I can pay, and I doubt that if I ever get a job with benefits they'd pay. As well, it's really difficult for people to keep going to their doctors so often without jeopardizing their jobs. And as I said before, I really doubt I could openly tell people I'm going to a psychiatrist without them thinking I'm a crazed lunatic bent on killing everyone in the office.

Let's not forget we have a society that wants instant gratification above all else.

/Because of all of those, I can't get the help I need.
 
2013-08-21 02:13:57 PM  
You know what cures depression?  Money.  I had a decent amount of money for a couple years.  Least depressing time of my life.
 
2013-08-21 02:15:04 PM  
its not 1/4 of all Americans. Its 1/4 of middle-aged women.

Overall usage is 1 in 10, which is on par with Iceland.
 
2013-08-21 02:15:12 PM  

Marley'sGirl: Sadly exercise is under-prescribed.  Of course, the medical industry doesn't make any money off of the healthy people.


Exercise is over the counter. So is eating right and getting enough sleep.
 
2013-08-21 02:15:21 PM  

orclover: You know what cures depression?  Money.  I had a decent amount of money for a couple years.  Least depressing time of my life.


Hm. Maybe I should try that.
 
2013-08-21 02:15:38 PM  
I was thinking about going on antidepressants but I took the hard road of eating better and taking up running. Didn't need a therapist anymore as well.
 
2013-08-21 02:19:43 PM  

Thisbymaster: I was thinking about going on antidepressants but I took the hard road of eating better and taking up running. Didn't need a therapist anymore as well.


I am pretty active (hike, sail, ski, run, whatever sounds fun). I eat somewhere between fairly healthy to extremely healthy on a regular basis.

I still have serious issues with depression. And not the "I'm kind of sad today" depression.
 
2013-08-21 02:20:32 PM  
You know what's really depressing? This was a thread featured last week on the main page and now it's been greened again.

/wake up, mods
 
2013-08-21 02:21:53 PM  

offmymeds: You know what's really depressing? This was a thread featured last week on the main page and now it's been greened again.

/wake up, mods


Your handle made me lulz.
 
2013-08-21 02:23:22 PM  
Currently going through Effexor withdrawals....

/gettin' a kick
 
2013-08-21 02:25:41 PM  

megarian: Do not fark with my coffee.

Do not fark with my nighttime drinky-fun.

Do not fark with my celexa  lithium.

Yay!

 
2013-08-21 02:27:05 PM  
Thinking about trying antidepressants?

Sure, talk to your doctor, but don't stop there - do you own research - especially when it comes to the SNRI class of AD's.

For some they are like "miracle drugs" - vastly improving quality of life, but for others, the side-effects can be hell - and coming off of them can be like quitting heroin. No exaggeration.

Also, AskAPatient.com is an excellent resource for learning the experiences that others have ad with AD's or ANY pharmaceutical.

Also, your pharmacist often knows more about drugs than your doctor - ask questions and do your research. It's your health and well being that's on the line.

$.02
 
2013-08-21 02:27:08 PM  

Stibium: Sure they are overprescribed, but there is little choice in the matter. For many, therapy is the correct choice but that takes time, money, and is often considered shameful.

The only therapy I can get right now is run by incompetent and/or inexperienced people. I can only get in maybe once every two weeks and I'm limited to an hour. The people I need are well beyond what I can pay, and I doubt that if I ever get a job with benefits they'd pay. As well, it's really difficult for people to keep going to their doctors so often without jeopardizing their jobs. And as I said before, I really doubt I could openly tell people I'm going to a psychiatrist without them thinking I'm a crazed lunatic bent on killing everyone in the office.

Let's not forget we have a society that wants instant gratification above all else.

/Because of all of those, I can't get the help I need.


Aside from the finances, if you dive into the article, you'll see another reason you probably have a hard time finding competent people to help you:  The article states that in one study, of some 5,600 people who were diagnosed with depression, only 38.4% actually met the criteria for depression.

Think about a doctor's/therapists office that you need to visit but can't get into.  If they're open 10 hours, They spend under 4 hours with people who actually need help, and waste the other 6 on people who need...attention?  I don't know.

Before reading, I also have an inkling that besides care not being available, many depressed people don't even bother seeking help.  It can't be an easy field to manage.
 
2013-08-21 02:27:56 PM  

PocketfullaSass: Currently going through Effexor withdrawals....

/gettin' a kick


That shiat was WORST. Extremely scary side effects.

"Hey, doc? Yeah it's megarian. It feels like someone stabbed a live wire into my brain."

"Oh. That's just a side effect from Effexor."

"...thanks for the heads-up. Douche."
 
2013-08-21 02:28:55 PM  

megarian: not the "I'm kind of sad today" depression


The "get the fark outta my face or I will stab you in the throat the second you blink" kind?
 
2013-08-21 02:29:05 PM  
*the worst
 
2013-08-21 02:32:22 PM  

megarian: offmymeds: You know what's really depressing? This was a thread featured last week on the main page and now it's been greened again.

/wake up, mods

Your handle made me lulz.


i1136.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-21 02:33:54 PM  

JohnnyCanuck: megarian: not the "I'm kind of sad today" depression

The "get the fark outta my face or I will stab you in the throat the second you blink" kind?


Hehe. Yeah. And the "oh fark my entire body is made out of lead and if I move/could move I will surely die."

And the "Yes, canceling the TV, phone, mail because fark you" seems legit, rational, and necessary.
 
2013-08-21 02:35:49 PM  

dumbobruni: its not 1/4 of all Americans. Its 1/4 of middle-aged women.

Overall usage is 1 in 10, which is on par with Iceland.


So I see we need to resurrect the hysteria diagnosis.

Orgasms are the answer, not pills that make them far less likely.
 
2013-08-21 02:39:53 PM  

megarian: Hehe. Yeah. And the "oh fark my entire body is made out of lead and if I move/could move I will surely die."

And the "Yes, canceling the TV, phone, mail because fark you" seems legit, rational, and necessary.


Oh, that kind. Good luck.
 
2013-08-21 02:41:23 PM  

JohnnyCanuck: megarian: Hehe. Yeah. And the "oh fark my entire body is made out of lead and if I move/could move I will surely die."

And the "Yes, canceling the TV, phone, mail because fark you" seems legit, rational, and necessary.

Oh, that kind. Good luck.


Thanks. Doing much better now. :)
 
2013-08-21 02:41:40 PM  

voltOhm: Or society has failed. I'm putting my money on the last one.


Why can't it be both?
 
2013-08-21 02:50:14 PM  

megarian: Thanks. Doing much better now. :)


fc04.deviantart.net
 
2013-08-21 02:50:49 PM  
I kid, of course.
 
2013-08-21 02:51:22 PM  
Technically I'm on an anti-depressant, but it's actually just a really low dose for ADD.  And it works pretty damn well.  I wonder if I'm counted in the numbers?
 
2013-08-21 02:52:43 PM  

Marley'sGirl: Sadly exercise is under-prescribed.  Of course, the medical industry doesn't make any money off of the healthy people.


Exercise is not under prescribed. The problem is that this country wouldn't exercise if you paid them all a million dollars a year to do so. Americans are lazy slobs.

I agree with your general idea though. Exercise is almost unbeatable for low-level depression/anxiety. It is for me anyway.
 
2013-08-21 02:56:49 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: This is the result of a good marketing campaign, good lobbyist, and lazy healthcare professionals.


Even lazier submitters.

Article says one in ten general population, 1 in 4 women over 40.
 
2013-08-21 02:59:37 PM  

megarian: PocketfullaSass: Currently going through Effexor withdrawals....

/gettin' a kick

That shiat was WORST. Extremely scary side effects.

"Hey, doc? Yeah it's megarian. It feels like someone stabbed a live wire into my brain."

"Oh. That's just a side effect from Effexor."

"...thanks for the heads-up. Douche."


Effexor is the worst drug on the planet. My brother was psycho when he took Effexor. Weening off of it was a grueling process. A lady in our office has black-outs and internal bleeding as a result. Everyone I know that has or does take it has migraines and periods of blind rage. Most experience extended periods of having zero filter on their behavior. Drinking AT ALL with it turns said person into a demon. You should look into Viibryd. It's way more expensive, but better. Or just take Vitamin B12 supplements and work out / eat right.
 
2013-08-21 03:03:07 PM  

loki see loki do: DROxINxTHExWIND: This is the result of a good marketing campaign, good lobbyist, and lazy healthcare professionals.

Even lazier submitters.

Article says one in ten general population, 1 in 4 women over 40.


You do know that 1 in 10 is about 30 million people, don't you?
 
2013-08-21 03:08:01 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Marley'sGirl: Sadly exercise is under-prescribed.  Of course, the medical industry doesn't make any money off of the healthy people.

Exercise is not under prescribed. The problem is that this country wouldn't exercise if you paid them all a million dollars a year to do so. Americans are lazy slobs.

I agree with your general idea though. Exercise is almost unbeatable for low-level depression/anxiety. It is for me anyway.


The problem is that people think "Exercise" means you have to drive to a gym somewhere and lift weights among a bunch of meatheads and then run around some obnoxiously repetitive track for an hour.

This is merely anecdotal based on my limited time abroad, but it doesn't seem like other fitter countries have some gym every four blocks promising a flatter belly in 3 months. I think it stems from the fact that the average American's sedentary lifestyle revolves around sitting in traffic in a car taking you to an office where you sit and stare blankly at a screen full of shiat numbers that eventually suck enough soul out of you that you're too damn tired to drive to farking xport or equinox or Joe's Pump you Up.

Instead maybe people should try walking around outside and trying new things. Perhaps a pickup game of basketball.

As for me, I'll have another bourbon to help mask my fark-all existence.
 
2013-08-21 03:09:08 PM  
Has anyone else ever had problems with their eyes/vision while being on anti-depressants? I swear I've been on everything under the sun, but both Abilify and Lithium cause blurred vision. Of course the actual benefits of the Lithium outweigh the drawbacks, so I'm left not seeing clearly.
 
2013-08-21 03:10:45 PM  
 I think it's a symptom of living in an empire in decline. Russia has a heroin problem that is insane but we're a bit more developed so we get pharmaceuticals and smack.
 
2013-08-21 03:11:41 PM  
or everything you've worked for has been stolen or, evaporated, or broken.
25% is sort of, well, light I think.
Did they poll only 17 year olds?
 
2013-08-21 03:11:59 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: megarian: PocketfullaSass: Currently going through Effexor withdrawals....

/gettin' a kick

That shiat was WORST. Extremely scary side effects.

"Hey, doc? Yeah it's megarian. It feels like someone stabbed a live wire into my brain."

"Oh. That's just a side effect from Effexor."

"...thanks for the heads-up. Douche."

Effexor is the worst drug on the planet. My brother was psycho when he took Effexor. Weening off of it was a grueling process. A lady in our office has black-outs and internal bleeding as a result. Everyone I know that has or does take it has migraines and periods of blind rage. Most experience extended periods of having zero filter on their behavior. Drinking AT ALL with it turns said person into a demon. You should look into Viibryd. It's way more expensive, but better. Or just take Vitamin B12 supplements and work out / eat right.


I'm going off of it because my mood and situation have improved immensely. I had to try several drugs to pull me out of a really bad depressive episode & Effexor did it for me. I'm just extremely pissed that no health professional told me that withdrawing from it (even the correct way) would be like a farking unguided tour through Dante's Inferno.  It's getting a little better every day, and for that I guess I'm thankful.
 
2013-08-21 03:12:18 PM  

Stibium: Sure they are overprescribed, but there is little choice in the matter. For many, therapy is the correct choice but that takes time, money, and is often considered shameful.

The only therapy I can get right now is run by incompetent and/or inexperienced people. I can only get in maybe once every two weeks and I'm limited to an hour. The people I need are well beyond what I can pay, and I doubt that if I ever get a job with benefits they'd pay. As well, it's really difficult for people to keep going to their doctors so often without jeopardizing their jobs. And as I said before, I really doubt I could openly tell people I'm going to a psychiatrist without them thinking I'm a crazed lunatic bent on killing everyone in the office.

Let's not forget we have a society that wants instant gratification above all else.

/Because of all of those, I can't get the help I need.


Same thing. If 1 in 10 overall and 25% of certain age groups need therapy, something is also not right. Either something is wrong with the diagnosis, or there is something seriously wrong with your society if really that many people need help.  If the latter, neither therapy nor pills would help because that is fighting symptoms of the societal disease.
 
2013-08-21 03:12:30 PM  
The job market is also pretty depressing. I just got turned down for a job because I didn't have a year of 3d modeling at my last job. Nevermind that I graduated top of my class because of it, that I solved numerous problems at a previous job that someone with longer training couldn't manage, and that I have a personal copy of the software that I use often.

I'm horrendously overqualified for the vast majority of jobs available, don't have people skills at all (woohoo emotional detachment), and the rest require years of experience I can't get without the job in the first place.

I'm venting, but there are no doubt many, many people in my shoes.
 
2013-08-21 03:12:51 PM  
What's harder- actually diagnosing a patient's symptoms or prescribing a medication that will make a patient not give a damn about what's wrong with him?  Look at how many times chronic heart problems are misdiagnosed as panic disorders.  Chest pain?  It's a panic attack- here, have a Xanax.  Chronic chest pain?  Here, take a Cymbalta and a Paxil every day.  This stethoscope?  Oh, we just wear them for tradition's sake.  I don't need to listen to your heartbeat to know that you're just fine.  Plus, I get a bonus for not sending you to a cardiologist... oops, shouldn't have mentioned that...

And when you have a heart attack and have to spend three weeks in the hospital, they get mad at you for "ignoring the symptoms."  After you do what they say (take a couple Xanax) when you have "the symptoms."
 
2013-08-21 03:21:49 PM  

megarian: Do not fark with my coffee.

Do not fark with my nighttime drinky-fun.

Do not fark with my lithium.

Yay!


Word.  If you fark with my lithium, I will, and I say this in all seriousness, kill you.  I was hospitalized because I became homicidal and psychotic (thank the gods that I was still grounded *just* enough to go to the hospital and tell them that they better lock my ass up), and I was diagnosed as bipolar.  I was misdiagnosed with depression, and the antidepressants just made me worse.  I just never noticed until I snapped that night.

I was put on lithium and Seroquel, and I'm a new farking person.  I still have bad paranoia, but other than that, I'm a normal, optimistic, and cheerful person.  But if those meds ever get taken away, no one is safe around me.

It always bothers me when people (nobody here, just generally speaking) say that psychiatric medication has no place in medicine.  These medications are critical in keeping people safe and healthy.  Not just the patient themselves, but those around them.
 
2013-08-21 03:23:54 PM  

Amos Quito: Thinking about trying antidepressants?

Sure, talk to your doctor, but don't stop there - do you own research - especially when it comes to the SNRI class of AD's.

For some they are like "miracle drugs" - vastly improving quality of life, but for others, the side-effects can be hell - and coming off of them can be like quitting heroin. No exaggeration.

Also, AskAPatient.com is an excellent resource for learning the experiences that others have ad with AD's or ANY pharmaceutical.

Also, your pharmacist often knows more about drugs than your doctor - ask questions and do your research. It's your health and well being that's on the line.

$.02


Crazymeds is another good source

http://www.crazymeds.us/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HomePage
 
2013-08-21 03:24:36 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: loki see loki do: DROxINxTHExWIND: This is the result of a good marketing campaign, good lobbyist, and lazy healthcare professionals.
Even lazier submitters.
Article says one in ten general population, 1 in 4 women over 40.
You do know that 1 in 10 is about 30 million people, don't you?


So? The headline says 25% of a population. loki see loki do was pointing out that number isn't 25% of the general population.

1 in 10 people could be a reasonable portion of the population to need medical help for depression. Even if that translates to 30 million people.
 
2013-08-21 03:24:44 PM  

JohnnyCanuck: megarian: not the "I'm kind of sad today" depression

The "get the fark outta my face or I will stab you in the throat the second you blink" kind?


That's anger. Depression is more like "get the fark out of my face so I can stare into space until I fall back asleep to escape from our pitiful existence."

My problems are my doctor gives me medicine cocktails so I can't tell which  meds are effective, have side effects or what other problems are just a result of getting old. And yeah, I exercise and eat right, more or less.

Also, mentalpod.com is a great resource.
 
2013-08-21 03:29:11 PM  
Never take any psychiatric medication from a non-psychiatric doctor .
 
2013-08-21 03:31:20 PM  

PocketfullaSass: Currently going through Effexor withdrawals....

/gettin' a kick


Two words for Effexor: Never again.

For some reason, I started getting withdrawal symptoms a couple hours before my dose time every day. I was happy to be getting off of it until I was actually trying to get off of it.

/Wellbutrin now. It's the bestest thing ever.
//Well, ok, perhaps not, but this is only the second time I've known actual, lasting happiness in over a decade
///Sadly, it does absolutely nothing for the ADD as far as I can tell
 
2013-08-21 03:31:43 PM  
to the makers of my chaos
of you do i grieve
is there nothing off limits
up there in your sleeves
as you'll stop at nothing
to nothing you'll weave
what would you have me believe
don't think i need to ask
what i need to know
of the depth of your illness
the lengths you would go
you can't feel your own sorrow
at the bad seeds you sow
what would you like me to throw
ive thrown all the dishes
and all of your trash
all the way out the window
with your wishes
and burned all your memory to ash
 
2013-08-21 03:35:46 PM  
Words and music (C)(P) 2013 (Redacted) Music
 
2013-08-21 03:36:45 PM  

JohnnyCanuck: megarian: Thanks. Doing much better now. :)

[fc04.deviantart.net image 850x477]


reminded me of:

www.horrorphile.net

pic doesn't do any justice for a redheaded Angela Bettis
 
2013-08-21 03:37:22 PM  
 
2013-08-21 03:39:18 PM  

finnished: Never take any psychiatric medication from a non-psychiatric doctor .


I did that once under the direction of my therapist because there were no new-patient appointments for a psychiatrist for about 3 months and I was suicidal. Went to my favorite doctor at the general practice, and it probably saved my ass, but that is how I ended up on Effexor. Which also had a tendency to make me jittery and a bit whacko, which combined with my (then undiagnosed) ADD to make me... amusing. What I remember of those few months is entertaining in retrospect.

dumbobruni: Crazymeds is another good source

http://www.crazymeds.us/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HomePage


I love Crazymeds. That is always the first place I look when a new med is prescribed or even suggested.
 
2013-08-21 03:44:52 PM  

Krieghund: DROxINxTHExWIND: loki see loki do: DROxINxTHExWIND: This is the result of a good marketing campaign, good lobbyist, and lazy healthcare professionals.
Even lazier submitters.
Article says one in ten general population, 1 in 4 women over 40.
You do know that 1 in 10 is about 30 million people, don't you?

So? The headline says 25% of a population. loki see loki do was pointing out that number isn't 25% of the general population.

1 in 10 people could be a reasonable portion of the population to need medical help for depression. Even if that translates to 30 million people.



Settle down, white knight. I'm not arguing semantics. The headline is about over-prescription of anti-depressants. I merely stated that 30 million is still a lot of people to be on prescription mood enhancers. 25% could also be a reasonable portion of the population to need medical help for depression. We don't know. Just saying, whether is 78 million people or "merely" 30 million, its a lot.
 
2013-08-21 03:47:19 PM  
*takes shot of vodka*
what's going on in here?

oh

*leaves*
 
2013-08-21 03:48:21 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: JohnnyCanuck: megarian: Thanks. Doing much better now. :)

[fc04.deviantart.net image 850x477]

reminded me of:

[www.horrorphile.net image 250x188]

pic doesn't do any justice for a redheaded Angela Bettis


That is the second time I've had someone mention/recommend that movie...kind of. Maybe I will grab in for some late night viewing. Sounds like something I could enjoy.
 
2013-08-21 03:48:57 PM  
You're next ADD meds..
 
2013-08-21 03:50:16 PM  

snuffy: this situation surely does not have anything to do with the country going head long into the sewer for the few decades.

our future is so bright i sold my shades.


The sound you hear is the crashing expectations of millions of snowflakes.

Life is pain, anyone who says different is selling something.
 
2013-08-21 03:52:17 PM  
Or there is an epidemic of depression.
 
2013-08-21 03:53:00 PM  

JohnnyCanuck: megarian: Thanks. Doing much better now. :)


This gave me smiles.
 
2013-08-21 03:55:20 PM  
I took effexor for a year because.....I guess because i am an American and I am not a Kardishian.  But anyways a year of that and I decided to stop taking it because of reasons.  Withdrawl symptoms may include:
WANTING farkING KILL EVERYBODY AROUND YOU TO DEATH!!!

Yea, my mother wanted me back on antidepressants, because you know, life sucks and some of us notice that fact.  And eventually I agreed and I described how at the best time when I was on antidepressants I felt wonderfully numb, no worry about hapiness or sadness, no strong emotions.  Being awake was almost like being asleep in its comfort no matter If I was with my family (who called me "distant" while on AD's) or at work or in a traffic jam with everybody around me screaming.  Antidepressants should be force fed to the world.  You could murder my entire family in front of me while I was on AD's and I could scarecely find a fark to give anywhere.  It was amazing.   Not being able to care about anything or anybody is the greatest drug ever invented, absolutely 0 stress, no matter what.  That is worth your farking soul right there.  My mother stopped bringing up AD's not too long ago when I mentioned why I loved them so much.


So ya I havent had any antidepressants in years.  It sucks.  I worry about my two boys (one with severe Autism spectrum who is on two fistfull of drugs himself) constantly, I panic about money, I worry about my family and I keep hoping for a heart attack to take all this fear away.  I miss not being able to care about anything and just working day in and day out with no progress but no stress.  I miss being numb soo farking much.  farking Obamacare wont even save me because farking Perry's Texas wont allow it.

/wish I had a button that I could press to destroy the world.
 
2013-08-21 03:58:58 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: megarian: PocketfullaSass: Currently going through Effexor withdrawals....

/gettin' a kick

That shiat was WORST. Extremely scary side effects.

"Hey, doc? Yeah it's megarian. It feels like someone stabbed a live wire into my brain."

"Oh. That's just a side effect from Effexor."

"...thanks for the heads-up. Douche."

Effexor is the worst drug on the planet. My brother was psycho when he took Effexor. Weening off of it was a grueling process. A lady in our office has black-outs and internal bleeding as a result. Everyone I know that has or does take it has migraines and periods of blind rage. Most experience extended periods of having zero filter on their behavior. Drinking AT ALL with it turns said person into a demon. You should look into Viibryd. It's way more expensive, but better. Or just take Vitamin B12 supplements and work out / eat right.


I get vitamin B shots now. An I'm on lithium and umm...lamitcial? Something like that.

I farking love the vitamin B shots. Huge difference. Sunlight made a huge difference.

Effexor...ugh. I started getting unexplained horrific bruises. Colorful, too...looked like nebulae. Buy it appeared that someone in the middle of the night and beat me with a bat. I had a person at college stage an "intervention" so I would admit I was being abused. I wasn't and it was extremely embarrassing. But yeah. Fark that shiat and fark coming off of that shiat.
 
2013-08-21 04:00:34 PM  
One last thing about Effexor:

NOTHING should have the side effect of "feeling of brain electrocution".
 
2013-08-21 04:03:04 PM  

megarian: the money is in the banana stand: megarian: PocketfullaSass: Currently going through Effexor withdrawals....

/gettin' a kick

That shiat was WORST. Extremely scary side effects.

"Hey, doc? Yeah it's megarian. It feels like someone stabbed a live wire into my brain."

"Oh. That's just a side effect from Effexor."

"...thanks for the heads-up. Douche."

Effexor is the worst drug on the planet. My brother was psycho when he took Effexor. Weening off of it was a grueling process. A lady in our office has black-outs and internal bleeding as a result. Everyone I know that has or does take it has migraines and periods of blind rage. Most experience extended periods of having zero filter on their behavior. Drinking AT ALL with it turns said person into a demon. You should look into Viibryd. It's way more expensive, but better. Or just take Vitamin B12 supplements and work out / eat right.

I get vitamin B shots now. An I'm on lithium and umm...lamitcial? Something like that.

I farking love the vitamin B shots. Huge difference. Sunlight made a huge difference.

Effexor...ugh. I started getting unexplained horrific bruises. Colorful, too...looked like nebulae. Buy it appeared that someone in the middle of the night and beat me with a bat. I had a person at college stage an "intervention" so I would admit I was being abused. I wasn't and it was extremely embarrassing. But yeah. Fark that shiat and fark coming off of that shiat.


Ol buddy of mine, lifetime lithium user for bipolar issues recently got out of the hospital for I believe "complete renal failure" due to lithium poisoning.  Now he cant have lithium any more, he's scared shiatless.  Life without lithium for him may be undo-able if they cant find a suitable replacement.

The UP's are fun, but the DOWN's are gun in your mouth time.
 
2013-08-21 04:06:15 PM  

megarian: One last thing about Effexor:

NOTHING should have the side effect of "feeling of brain electrocution".


Dude, ZOLOFT!  Zoloft did nothing for depression.  But it was highly entertaining to be on.  Never knew what I was going to feel or hear next or where.  A few weeks into that and I was in the server room talking to myself "well.....i'm not bored at least."
 
2013-08-21 04:08:47 PM  
orclover:
The UP's are fun, but the DOWN's are gun in your mouth time.

Yuuuuup.
 
2013-08-21 04:11:09 PM  

JohnnyCanuck: Nana's Vibrator: JohnnyCanuck: megarian: Thanks. Doing much better now. :)

[fc04.deviantart.net image 850x477]

reminded me of:

[www.horrorphile.net image 250x188]

pic doesn't do any justice for a redheaded Angela Bettis

That is the second time I've had someone mention/recommend that movie...kind of. Maybe I will grab in for some late night viewing. Sounds like something I could enjoy.


I don't know your movie tastes, but I'd recommend it.  If you were just going to watch (insert movie here) for the 10th time, you should definitely spend the time watching May.  If choosing to see Goodfellas, Shawshank, Godfather, or May but have never seen any of them, I'd go with the other 3.
 
2013-08-21 04:11:45 PM  

megarian: One last thing about Effexor:

NOTHING should have the side effect of "feeling of brain electrocution".


Oh god, or hearing your eyes move, or needing to puke from vertigo caused by moving your eyes, or eating like you have a tapeworm until your stomach distends, or full body muscle cramps, or horrific nightmares once you are able to finally get to sleep since you have insomnia due to the brain jolts and non-existent loud banging noises.

Just a few of the good times I've had over the past week of getting off my super small, tapered down dose.
 
2013-08-21 04:13:08 PM  
I was on Seroquel and gained 60 pounds that I'm still trying to get off.
I stopped taking Celexa at the same time that I stopped taking Seroquel.  Now I'm not on anything.  Life sucks, but not sure if it would be any better if I started back on something.
Anyway, this thread is making me feel a lot better about myself.  Fight the good fight, guys!
 
2013-08-21 04:21:36 PM  

orclover: Withdrawl symptoms may include:
WANTING farkING KILL EVERYBODY AROUND YOU TO DEATH


Oh yeah, I remember having a similar reaction when coming off an antidepressant. It was like hangover irritability times 10. I had thoughts of how satisfying it would be to bludgeon random people...then my rational mind would say "You're farking nuts"...then my anger said "But it would feel good"... then my friend Sheila who was also a part of my imagination said "Yeahhh dude, like f'n kill'em all."
 
2013-08-21 04:22:26 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: JohnnyCanuck: megarian: Thanks. Doing much better now. :)

[fc04.deviantart.net image 850x477]

reminded me of:



pic doesn't do any justice for a redheaded Angela Bettis


Great movie if you like making friends.
 
2013-08-21 04:37:49 PM  

orclover: I took effexor for a year because.....I guess because i am an American and I am not a Kardishian.  But anyways a year of that and I decided to stop taking it because of reasons.  Withdrawl symptoms may include:
WANTING farkING KILL EVERYBODY AROUND YOU TO DEATH!!!

Yea, my mother wanted me back on antidepressants, because you know, life sucks and some of us notice that fact.  And eventually I agreed and I described how at the best time when I was on antidepressants I felt wonderfully numb, no worry about hapiness or sadness, no strong emotions.  Being awake was almost like being asleep in its comfort no matter If I was with my family (who called me "distant" while on AD's) or at work or in a traffic jam with everybody around me screaming.  Antidepressants should be force fed to the world.  You could murder my entire family in front of me while I was on AD's and I could scarecely find a fark to give anywhere.  It was amazing.   Not being able to care about anything or anybody is the greatest drug ever invented, absolutely 0 stress, no matter what.  That is worth your farking soul right there.  My mother stopped bringing up AD's not too long ago when I mentioned why I loved them so much.


So ya I havent had any antidepressants in years.  It sucks.  I worry about my two boys (one with severe Autism spectrum who is on two fistfull of drugs himself) constantly, I panic about money, I worry about my family and I keep hoping for a heart attack to take all this fear away.  I miss not being able to care about anything and just working day in and day out with no progress but no stress.  I miss being numb soo farking much.  farking Obamacare wont even save me because farking Perry's Texas wont allow it.

/wish I had a button that I could press to destroy the world.


I wish I had one too, but only because I'm always numb. I once felt a small range of emotions, but I was told I had to always repress them. Because of that repression things never worked out, which lead to more and more emotional trauma. Finally my only friend, and someone I deeply cared for, told me she was leaving to go to Colorado. After that I've felt almost no emotion whatsoever.

It's soul crushing to understand what I lost and how I lost it, but not being able to do anything about it and not being able to be helped. I've tried over a dozen antidepressants as well as hormone treatment with absolutely no change. Marijuana helped immensely with anhedonia and emotional expression (it even temporarily fixed my nearsightedness, oddly enough), but it's hard to find here, too expensive, and I can't smoke because I'm trying to find a job and everything now requires drug tests. If I'm forced to drive a truck (which is a very likely scenario) there's no way I could smoke.

SSRIs do nothing, Abilify made me extremely nauseous. Wellbutrin XL worked for a few days, then my doctor doubled the dosage and it worked for a few more and then gave me 4 days of insomnia. Now I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place finding any job, let alone one where I won't be so stressed out I'll lose again, and not having any sort of help at all. I guess I've even numbed myself out of depression, but only because I've acknowledged childhood emotional and sexual abuse.

/I try to stay positive with that note, even though I am so detached not to feel anything about them.
//I feel positive only because I know what to work on in the off-chance I can see someone.
 
2013-08-21 04:43:42 PM  
The CBC just had a radio show on this, 3 hours of listening if you have the time. part one linked for ease. ]

http://www.cbc.ca/ideas/episodes/2013/05/15/rethinking-depression-pa rt -1-2/index.html
 
2013-08-21 05:20:59 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com

Right now, there's a young Udandan boy sleeping on the ground, out in the open. He's holding his AK-47 in his hand. His life is horror.

He's sleeping, cold and shivering, open to the elements, with nothing but his rifle. He has no job, no family, no home, no love, no hope. And yet, he is NOT DEPRESSED. He has purpose. He knows exactly what he has to do the next morning. Get up. Take food. Rape. Be strong. He doesn't ponder the complexities of life or the fairness of this universe. He is like an arrow shot from a bow: No hesitation, no doubt. His course is clear. He has purpose. Clarity. Drive. He will kill and rape, and not muse for one second why he isn't happy, nor will he spend time lying on the floor, crippled by depression.

He is not depressed; he has stuff to do, and will damn well do it. Tomorrow. Rest now.
 
2013-08-21 05:40:58 PM  

weltallica: Right now, there's a young Udandan boy sleeping on the ground, out in the open. He's holding his AK-47 in his hand. His life is horror.

He's sleeping, cold and shivering, open to the elements, with nothing but his rifle. He has no job, no family, no home, no love, no hope. And yet, he is NOT DEPRESSED. He has purpose. He knows exactly what he has to do the next morning. Get up. Take food. Rape. Be strong. He doesn't ponder the complexities of life or the fairness of this universe. He is like an arrow shot from a bow: No hesitation, no doubt. His course is clear. He has purpose. Clarity. Drive. He will kill and rape, and not muse for one second why he isn't happy, nor will he spend time lying on the floor, crippled by depression.

He is not depressed; he has stuff to do, and will damn well do it. Tomorrow. Rest now.


I...I don't even...can someone else address this? The stupid hurts.


See a girl from New Guinea drinking tainted water? She's not worried about polio so fark you. She's not depressed. Just numb to everything ever.

STFU. GBTW.
 
2013-08-21 06:00:15 PM  
I like reading the stories in this thread. I know I'm not alone.

Yesterday, a co-worker whom I'm friends with mentioned that I have shaky hands. I told her it was because of my meds. She asked what I took meds for, because I looked healthy to her. She didn't mean to pry, but I told her it wasn't her business.

Why is it embarassing to tell someone that you have depression, while telling someone that you have, say, ADD isn't? I've had to tell professors that I have depression, and most understand. (One SOB didn't.) Also, a respectable family friend in his 60s has a brother with depression, and he thinks his brother is a lazy loser, and doesn't understand him at all. I don't get it.
 
2013-08-21 06:27:12 PM  

Karma Chameleon: Litterbox: You can have my Lexapro when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.

What dosage are you on? I went up to 20 from 10 this year and I'm honestly no longer noticing a difference.


Im on 20 a day, but the thing I learned about Lexapro, at least for me, is you have to take it religiously every day...I have a bad habit of skipping days sometimes by accident.  It caught up to me last week and I was barely able to function for two days straight.  Im doing better and taking my damn pills like I should now.
 
2013-08-21 06:28:20 PM  

Russ1642: Meranath: Litterbox: You can have my Lexapro when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.

Ditto.

Sounds like good stuff. How do I get my hands on some?


Talk to your doctor.  It totally got rid of my anxiety and totally wiped out my depression.
 
2013-08-21 06:34:41 PM  
I want legal weed. This is stupid.
 
2013-08-21 06:34:43 PM  

PocketfullaSass: Currently going through Effexor withdrawals....

/gettin' a kick


Absolute worst drug ever.  I was horribly depressed and my anxiety came back twice as hard and I felt physically ill most of the time.  Never, ever again even if it was the last drug out there for my problem.
 
2013-08-21 06:39:43 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: . You should look into Viibryd. It's way more expensive, but better. Or just take Vitamin B12 supplements and work out / eat right.


I recently got with a great doc who switched me over to Viibrid after years of taking Lexapro. For years I took Lexapro only because not taking it turned me into an an angry jerk. It actually works (for me at any rate) and that in conjunction with a two anti seizure medicines I am able to get off my butt and actually get back in shape and remember to eat/ sleep well. I consider myself a lifetime veteran of an inept medical community and all I can say (without trying to sound more like a victim) is no matter how bad you feel or how truly dark your mood is never, ever settle for "good enough" or "at least I got out of bed today" I was critically ill as a child off and on from age 4 to 7. The depression set in shortly thereafter. I'm 32 now. Here's to medication and a realistic world perspective.
 
2013-08-21 06:40:33 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: I prefer depressants, like scotch


It's the power, the power of positive drinking.
 
2013-08-21 08:15:36 PM  

lizzyjo: I like reading the stories in this thread. I know I'm not alone.

Yesterday, a co-worker whom I'm friends with mentioned that I have shaky hands. I told her it was because of my meds. She asked what I took meds for, because I looked healthy to her. She didn't mean to pry, but I told her it wasn't her business.

Why is it embarassing to tell someone that you have depression, while telling someone that you have, say, ADD isn't? I've had to tell professors that I have depression, and most understand. (One SOB didn't.) Also, a respectable family friend in his 60s has a brother with depression, and he thinks his brother is a lazy loser, and doesn't understand him at all. I don't get it.


Where I grow up, it's seen as weakness to not be a super independent go-getter. Even worse is that "depression" is viewed as an excuse to be lazy. I probably fit into the ADD category, but without comorbid depression they at least can be motivated about something for more than a few hours.

The shaky hands was something I really struggled with when I was doing high precision machining and filing.

weltallica: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 370x278]

Right now, there's a young Udandan boy sleeping on the ground, out in the open. He's holding his AK-47 in his hand. His life is horror.

He's sleeping, cold and shivering, open to the elements, with nothing but his rifle. He has no job, no family, no home, no love, no hope. And yet, he is NOT DEPRESSED. He has purpose. He knows exactly what he has to do the next morning. Get up. Take food. Rape. Be strong. He doesn't ponder the complexities of life or the fairness of this universe. He is like an arrow shot from a bow: No hesitation, no doubt. His course is clear. He has purpose. Clarity. Drive. He will kill and rape, and not muse for one second why he isn't happy, nor will he spend time lying on the floor, crippled by depression.He is not depressed; he has stuff to do, and will damn well do it. Tomorrow. Rest now.


It would be easy for me too. No worries about where food is coming from. If I need food, I kill someone and take it. If someone gives me lip or says "come at me, bro", I kill them.

/That's actually an FAL, and it's alot more powerful than an AK.
//Nick-named "The Right Arm of the Free World."
 
2013-08-22 02:53:07 AM  

weltallica: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 370x278]

Right now, there's a young Udandan boy sleeping on the ground, out in the open. He's holding his AK-47 in his hand. His life is horror.

He's sleeping, cold and shivering, open to the elements, with nothing but his rifle. He has no job, no family, no home, no love, no hope. And yet, he is NOT DEPRESSED. He has purpose. He knows exactly what he has to do the next morning. Get up. Take food. Rape. Be strong. He doesn't ponder the complexities of life or the fairness of this universe. He is like an arrow shot from a bow: No hesitation, no doubt. His course is clear. He has purpose. Clarity. Drive. He will kill and rape, and not muse for one second why he isn't happy, nor will he spend time lying on the floor, crippled by depression.

He is not depressed; he has stuff to do, and will damn well do it. Tomorrow. Rest now.



I clicked the "smart" button.


/Now I AM depressed
 
2013-08-22 08:50:45 AM  
"Nooooo!. Not me! I really neeeeed my feel good meds. I have a condition, goddammit! The doctor said so!!!"
 
2013-08-22 08:39:08 PM  

PocketfullaSass: Currently going through Effexor withdrawals....

/gettin' a kick


Ouch. That's a helluva rebound effect.
 
2013-08-22 08:46:35 PM  

solitary: If you think about it, it's quite obvious why America has the highest rates of depression and anxiety in the world.  And quite obvious that it's going to get worse.


Patently false.

But thanks for playing.

Frankly, i think the fact that a lot of Americans take antideps isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's being proactive.

In some countries, fatalism is expected. Life is shiat and then you die. Accept it.

Or you can take some pills and get up and live and function and be pleasant to be around.

Yes, Americans can be superficial and we dont deal well with pain.

There are worse things to be.
 
2013-08-22 09:25:06 PM  

lizzyjo: I like reading the stories in this thread. I know I'm not alone.

Yesterday, a co-worker whom I'm friends with mentioned that I have shaky hands. I told her it was because of my meds. She asked what I took meds for, because I looked healthy to her. She didn't mean to pry, but I told her it wasn't her business.

Why is it embarassing to tell someone that you have depression, while telling someone that you have, say, ADD isn't? I've had to tell professors that I have depression, and most understand. (One SOB didn't.) Also, a respectable family friend in his 60s has a brother with depression, and he thinks his brother is a lazy loser, and doesn't understand him at all. I don't get it.


Mental illness is real, and a lot of people don't understand it or have sympathy for it.

That said, depression can be treated in a number of ways- socially, physically, pharmacologically.

Some people can get out of a slump on their own. Some people need help. It's a lot like weight problems.

Shame has been shown to be counterproductive to positive change, but a lot of backward thinking people still like to use it.

I think it ties in to the protestant work ethic myth of rich people are rich because they're just better, holier, and harder working. They pulled themselves up by their bootstraps!

I don't find those types of prople pleasant to be around, and i avoid them whenever possible.

The nice thing about free will is you can choose to avoid those types of judgmental, unsympathetic types, and keep your mental status and medical history to yourself. It's none of their business.
 
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