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(Broward/Palm Beach New Times)   Headline: "Pit bulls much less aggressive than other breeds." Article: "to their owners"   (blogs.browardpalmbeach.com) divider line 23
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2013-08-21 01:45:43 PM  
2 votes:
This whole argument is stupid. Pit bulls (which isn't even a breed but whatever) are in a bad situation because a bunch of dumb as dirt people have decided they are the dog of the moment. So all these people buy them and breed them and intend to make a ton of money breeding dogs. These people are idiots and know nothing about dogs. They think that if their dog growls at you when you approach her crate she is great breeding stock (nothing could be further from the truth).

The same exact thing happened to German Shepherds.

Dogs bred to work or guard/protect are genetically encouraged to KEEP TRYING and NOT BACK DOWN. While some dogs will hide under a bed when scared, these dogs will fight back. When you combine those traits with a big dog, VERY, VERY BAD BREEDING (the main culprit), and TERRIBLE OWNERS you get a disaster and a bunch of fear-aggressive dogs.

IF you get an American Pit Bull Terrier from a real breeder who is breeding confident working dogs or confident, friendly family dogs you aren't going to have a dog that attacks someone (unless their family member was in TRUE danger or being attacked). If you get your "Pit Bull" from a guy who thinks he'll get rich breeding them then who knows what you're getting.You might get the gentlest creature in the world, but more likely you'll get a dog who is incredibly fearful of things he should never be fearful of and all the training in the world cannot fix it.

/have a German Shepherd, almost killed the last person who told me I could 'make a lot of money breeding him'
//FYI, an untitled male stud dog isn't going to make shiat for money and it is farking deplorable to breed dogs who are going to end up untrained and homeless
2013-08-21 01:33:31 PM  
2 votes:

Some Coke Drinking Guy: Most pit bulls are friendly animals.  Problem is, when they do decide to clamp down on you, they have that darn lock jaw.


Another bullshiat pit bull rumor. Pit bulls don't have special jaw bones.
2013-08-21 01:30:49 PM  
2 votes:
Pit Bulls are generally (GENERALLY) dog aggressive but not human aggressive, since dog fighters want a dog that they can handle.

That said, treat them nice, they'll be perfectly good dogs. Wasn't there a story here on Fark a couple of years ago about how the city of Toronto banned the breed, and instead of incidences of dog bites going down as expected, it was just other dogs picking up the slack?

Pit Bulls aren't more likely to bite you, but they are more likely to be owned by shiatty owners. It's as simple as that. In another decade or so, another breed will be popular with shiatty owners, and that breed will get a bad rap. Happened with dobermans, happened with rottweillers.
2013-08-21 01:21:36 PM  
2 votes:
Pit bulls are harmless, as any pit bull owner will tell you.  What statistics tell you: "As of May 25, 2013, the USA death count from dogs in 2013 is 14. Of these, 13 people were killed by pit bulls."   [citation]
2013-08-21 01:13:37 PM  
2 votes:
More bad stats.  There are no statistics that one breed bites more, but let me reference some statistics anyway.

Train your dog properly, the end.
2013-08-21 01:12:48 PM  
2 votes:
What a pitbull actually looks like:
www.ywgrossman.com
2013-08-21 01:12:17 PM  
2 votes:
I work in installation and go to a lot of people's homes, so I encounter pitbulls a lot here in southern California. Besides most of them being huge with the head of a Tyrannosaurus, they've never lunged at me or tried to attack me. But they can bark the sound of the end times if I'm on the other side of the fence.

Chihuahuas on the other hand... Vicious little monsters.
2013-08-21 09:27:39 AM  
2 votes:
Wow. Way to cherry pick a point of view from an article there subby. Lets look at the very next sentence following the one you chose for your headline: "And the breed has displayed below-average levels of aggression when encountering strangers."
2013-08-22 06:56:21 PM  
1 votes:
In the 60's the bad dogs were usually German Shepards. There were several tough guys who had theirs chained in their yard, and these dogs went berserk when anyone walked by.

In the 70's it was Dorbermans. Pretty much the same scenario, all the touch guys got them, and bragged about how tough and mean their dog was.

In the 80's and part of the 90's it was Rottweilers. You wanted to be the macho guy you had a Rottie, and you made sure he acted like a rabid wolf anytime a person or another dog was in view.

Now it's Pit bulls. Once again, the meaner you can make it the BAAAAAAAADER you are.

There is probably already a new 'MEAN DOG' breed. It will be a larger dog, and like any other dog, if you mistreat it, it will be mean. And then we can recycle all the stories again about how that breed is unfit and just born evil. Just like we did with German Shepards, Rottweilers, Dobermans, and Pit Bulls.

America's Babysitter

I myself do not own, nor have I ever owned, a pit bull. I also do not have family or friends who own one. But I knew people who owned each of the earlier 'unfit' dogs, some being good owners with good dogs, and some who wanted a mean dog because it was cool. I never knew a good owner who had a bad dog.
2013-08-21 09:40:12 PM  
1 votes:

hammettman: Firethorn: hammettman: I am not for regulation by dog breed, but farking get a clue. Stop denying that your breed is dangerous. And spay/neuter your dog. Try visiting an animal shelter if you don't think this is a good idea.

Interesting.  The problem I have with the study(only looked at the abstract; not paying money) is that it assumes that people know enough to identify a pit bull; IE that the hospital records are accurate.

The dog breeds were not identified by hospital records.  The hospital records were used solely to classify the nature/severity of the wounds.  The study was actually a follow up to the hospital records, which then went back to police and official reports of the attack. In over 80% of the cases, the dogs were also identified by the owners themselves as pit bulls.  It's entirely possible that the owners improperly classified their own dogs, and there may have been other factors that prompted the owners to name their own dogs as pit bulls when they may in fact have been another breed.  But there is a clear trend of data, plus or minus all manner of caveats, that is indisputable.


The problem with any study of dog bites by breed is that ignore the human and environmental factors. Dog bites are usually a combination of factors. Read The Problem With Dog Bite Studies from the National Canine Research Center.

Thanks to all of the inaccurate reporting, pit bulls have become very attractive to bad owners.

It is important to look at the underlying factors of an attack. The media repeatedly fails to do so. Often, the owner describes an attack as unprovoked, but you read further, and the reporter describes the home as having "guard dog" signs.
Dogs maintained outside the home (on chains, in kennels or in yards) and/or dogs obtained for negative functions (guarding, fighting, protection, breeding for financial gain) are not family pets; they are what are sometimes referred to as "resident dogs." Acknowledging the environment in which they live and the function for which they are maintained is vital to understanding their behavior and, when the situation arises, their aggression. Resident dogs cannot be expected to exhibit the same behaviors and level of sociability as family dogs. The simple reason why we see pit bulls involved in more attacks now (though not nearly as many as the media would have one believe) is there are more of them being kept as "resident dogs" vs. family pets.

To give a statistic, 75% of Austin's tethering calls are related to pit bulls, and 22% of its stray dog calls are related to pit bulls. (Source: City of Austin, 2008). The higher the abuse of a particular breed of dog, the more likely it is going to exhibit aggression. Studies have found that a tethered dog is 2.8 times more likely to attack. So, it is reasonable to presume that the breed suffering the most abuse will exhibit the most problems. This historically correlates with breeds that have suffered abuse (i.e., been used as "resident dogs") in the past, such as Rottweilers in the 90s, Dobermans in the 80s, and German Shepherds in the 70s. Correspondingly, historically, during periods of time when pit bulls were popular family pets, and were not being used in record numbers as "resident dogs," their attack statistics were extremely low.
2013-08-21 08:09:16 PM  
1 votes:

Some Coke Drinking Guy: Most pit bulls are friendly animals.  Problem is, when they do decide to clamp down on you, they have that darn lock jaw.


No.  No, they don't.

/myth
2013-08-21 04:32:12 PM  
1 votes:
My pit mix is a sweetheart and loves pinning me and Mrs. daveUSMC down and licking us to death. That said, she's not a harmless can't-do-wrong little daisy. Responsible ownership means we supervise her in situations with new people or dogs, and keep her away from potentially disastrous encounters.

It's ok to realize that owning a pit is not the same as owning a puntable rat-dog while at the same time acknowledging that the mere fact that the dog is a pit bull does not mean you should construct a beach from all the sand in your vagina.
2013-08-21 01:38:38 PM  
1 votes:

mbillips: Friendly pit bull thread!

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Can I lick her, too?

Anyway, I've met quite a few pit bulls in my day and, without exception, the first thing they wanted to do upon meeting me was show off their favorite toys.  Several then ran around in circles in the yard to show me how fast they were.  One had a habit of [very gingerly] pulling on pant legs to take people out to the yard to play.  If they didn't follow her, she'd go flat with devastation.  Like a whining bear skin rug with twitchy eyebrows.  Then the other dog would come over and lick her face until she could pull herself together.
2013-08-21 01:37:42 PM  
1 votes:

ThatBillmanGuy: I work in installation and go to a lot of people's homes, so I encounter pitbulls a lot here in southern California. Besides most of them being huge with the head of a Tyrannosaurus, they've never lunged at me or tried to attack me. But they can bark the sound of the end times if I'm on the other side of the fence.

Chihuahuas on the other hand... Vicious little monsters.


Comparing a pit bull to a Chihuahua is like comparing a hand grenade to a Nerf gun. The odds of getting shot with a Nerf gun in your lifetime are significantly higher, but the odds of surviving one or the other doesn't even merit comparison. The problem with pit bulls has never been about how often they bite but what happens when they do. The answer seems pretty simple to me: your dog attacks someone, you go to prison for whatever the damage is. If your pit bull attacks someone, you go to prison for murder. If my Chihuahua attacks someone, I go to prison for whatever the law is against failed attempts to break skin.
2013-08-21 01:36:12 PM  
1 votes:
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2013-08-21 01:33:16 PM  
1 votes:
The 'ankle biters' are more agressive. But, when was the last time you read an article about a dachshund or a chihuahua trying to tear someones throat out?
2013-08-21 01:30:00 PM  
1 votes:
Pit bulls are wonderful dogs until something makes them "snap".
2013-08-21 01:29:18 PM  
1 votes:

Some Coke Drinking Guy: Most pit bulls are friendly animals.  Problem is, when they do decide to clamp down on you, they have that darn lock jaw.


Yeah I'd be a lot more worried in the event one of these dogs does snap for whatever reason and attacks. A dachshund? You can kick it down the street if it acts like an asshole.
2013-08-21 01:26:32 PM  
1 votes:
The only kind of people who like pure breed pit bulls are gangsta, ghetto, bad bad people.  They want a weapon.  Fark them and their shiat dog.

Watered down pits like a pit lab combo make wonderful pets.
2013-08-21 01:16:43 PM  
1 votes:

Badgers: And dachshunds are the most aggressive against strangers _and_ their owners...

I hate the bastards.

Dachs = german for badger
Hund = german for dog

You can understand where i'm coming from.


Vets call them carpet sharks.
2013-08-21 01:15:18 PM  
1 votes:
Friendly pit bull thread!

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2013-08-21 01:14:29 PM  
1 votes:
And dachshunds are the most aggressive against strangers _and_ their owners...

I hate the bastards.

Dachs = german for badger
Hund = german for dog

You can understand where i'm coming from.
2013-08-21 01:12:38 PM  
1 votes:

Steve Zodiac: Wow. Way to cherry pick a point of view from an article there subby. Lets look at the very next sentence following the one you chose for your headline: "And the breed has displayed below-average levels of aggression when encountering strangers."


Hypocrisy: An anti-pitbull accusing a pro-pitbull article of cherry-picking when they themselves just did it.
 
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