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2013-08-21 01:41:36 PM  

johnny_vegas: hammettman: Pit bulls are harmless, as any pit bull owner will tell you.  What statistics tell you: "As of May 25, 2013, the USA death count from dogs in 2013 is 14. Of these, 13 people were killed by pit bulls."   [citation]

also from your cited article:

Any dog, treated harshly or trained to attack, may bite a person. Any dog can be turned into a dangerous dog. The owner or handler most often is responsible for making a dog into something dangerous.An irresponsible owner or dog handler might create a situation that places another person in danger by a dog, without the dog itself being dangerous, as in the case of the Pomeranian that killed the infant (see above).Any individual dog may be a good, loving pet, even though its breed is considered to be potentially dangerous. A responsible owner can win the love and respect of a dog, no matter its breed. One cannot look at an individual dog, recognize its breed, and then state whether or not it is going to attack.


I'm a gambler, but 13 out of 14 are not odds that make me comfortable.  These are just the fatalities.  Half of all dog bites are done by pit bulls.

/disclosure: my daughter was bitten by a pit.  I probably can not be convinced to see them as anything but dangerous.
 
2013-08-21 01:42:07 PM  

1000 Ways to Dye: Pit Bulls are generally (GENERALLY) dog aggressive but not human aggressive, since dog fighters want a dog that they can handle.

That said, treat them nice, they'll be perfectly good dogs. Wasn't there a story here on Fark a couple of years ago about how the city of Toronto banned the breed, and instead of incidences of dog bites going down as expected, it was just other dogs picking up the slack?

Pit Bulls aren't more likely to bite you, but they are more likely to be owned by shiatty owners. It's as simple as that. In another decade or so, another breed will be popular with shiatty owners, and that breed will get a bad rap. Happened with dobermans, happened with rottweillers.


They're less likely to get into a spontaneous fight with another dog than a Malamute or husky. Those scrap for dominance pretty regularly. They're less likely to bite than a chihuahua, and less stubborn in letting go than a bulldog. It's just they have enough of all the tendencies to make for a dog that, once in a fight, will do a lot of damage to the other small creature it's attacking.
 
2013-08-21 01:42:29 PM  
Go eat a bag of dicks subby.
 
2013-08-21 01:44:04 PM  

SmackLT: If you haven't heard it, Bill Burr's bit on owning a pit bull is hilarious (language is NSFW)


That was cute.

Got two pitts.  Both love the shiat out of strangers.  One tries to kill every squirrel or bird he sees, the other hates other dogs.  But they loooooove people.

/pitts are the worst guard dogs on earth.
 
2013-08-21 01:44:40 PM  

Broom: Some Coke Drinking Guy: Most pit bulls are friendly animals.  Problem is, when they do decide to clamp down on you, they have that darn lock jaw.

Another bullshiat pit bull rumor. Pit bulls don't have special jaw bones.


They do in that they're strong as fark.  It's true of terriers in general.  I had to get a bird away from my Jack Russel a few weeks ago and that little guys jaw was not budging.
 
2013-08-21 01:44:59 PM  
1000 Ways to Dye:
Wasn't there a story here on Fark a couple of years ago about how the city of Toronto banned the breed, and instead of incidences of dog bites going down as expected, it was just other dogs picking up the slack?

Somehow this brings to mind the Dr. Evil of dogs (a dachshund, of course - murderous little brutes, apparently) plotting in his lair. "Muahahaha... Now that their protective guardian angels are gone, we can bite the humans all we want. Go forth, my legions! Go forth!"
 
2013-08-21 01:45:15 PM  

hammettman: Half of all dog bites are done by pit bulls.


That is a lot more salient point than the number of fatalities IMHO
 
2013-08-21 01:45:24 PM  

hammettman: Pit bulls are harmless, as any pit bull owner will tell you.  What statistics tell you: "As of May 25, 2013, the USA death count from dogs in 2013 is 14. Of these, 13 people were killed by pit bulls."   [citation]


Like most Fark threads, nobody will pay attention to your facts and the ones that do will dispute them anyway.

*scans thread*

Called it.
 
2013-08-21 01:45:43 PM  
This whole argument is stupid. Pit bulls (which isn't even a breed but whatever) are in a bad situation because a bunch of dumb as dirt people have decided they are the dog of the moment. So all these people buy them and breed them and intend to make a ton of money breeding dogs. These people are idiots and know nothing about dogs. They think that if their dog growls at you when you approach her crate she is great breeding stock (nothing could be further from the truth).

The same exact thing happened to German Shepherds.

Dogs bred to work or guard/protect are genetically encouraged to KEEP TRYING and NOT BACK DOWN. While some dogs will hide under a bed when scared, these dogs will fight back. When you combine those traits with a big dog, VERY, VERY BAD BREEDING (the main culprit), and TERRIBLE OWNERS you get a disaster and a bunch of fear-aggressive dogs.

IF you get an American Pit Bull Terrier from a real breeder who is breeding confident working dogs or confident, friendly family dogs you aren't going to have a dog that attacks someone (unless their family member was in TRUE danger or being attacked). If you get your "Pit Bull" from a guy who thinks he'll get rich breeding them then who knows what you're getting.You might get the gentlest creature in the world, but more likely you'll get a dog who is incredibly fearful of things he should never be fearful of and all the training in the world cannot fix it.

/have a German Shepherd, almost killed the last person who told me I could 'make a lot of money breeding him'
//FYI, an untitled male stud dog isn't going to make shiat for money and it is farking deplorable to breed dogs who are going to end up untrained and homeless
 
2013-08-21 01:46:05 PM  

OptimusMatrix: Look how wrong you are. She actually dies from a head wound falling off a ladder. But nice attempt at the fear mongering.


wat? Are you drunk, high or insane?

HotWingConspiracy: http://abcnews.go.com/US/pet-pit-bull-kills-pregnant-woman-pacifica-c a lifornia/story?id=14289961


Not sure what your point is. Nobody is denying that sometimes pets attack and kill people.
 
2013-08-21 01:48:24 PM  

69gnarkill69: hammettman: Pit bulls are harmless, as any pit bull owner will tell you.  What statistics tell you: "As of May 25, 2013, the USA death count from dogs in 2013 is 14. Of these, 13 people were killed by pit bulls."   [citation]

Like most Fark threads, nobody will pay attention to your facts and the ones that do will dispute them anyway.

*scans thread*

Called it.


a1.phobos.apple.com
 
2013-08-21 01:49:18 PM  

rikerdude: The 'ankle biters' are more agressive. But, when was the last time you read an article about a dachshund or a chihuahua trying to tear someones throat out?


A chihuahua would if they could. Those dogs are, by far, the most likely to snap at a person. I love all dogs, but those are so likely to be babied because of their size, and their aggression and possessiveness not corrected.
 
2013-08-21 01:50:23 PM  

hammettman: Half of all dog bites are done by pit bulls.


So what?

You guys like to fling those contextless statistics like monkeys throwing poo but the reality is that when you put all the numbers together your odds of being bit by a dog of ANY breed are very low and your odds of being killed by a dog of ANY breed are extremely low.

When you count EVERY single attack together and the odds are still poor that you'll be a victim how do you justify narrowing the list even further and then screeching about it?
I just don't see how this isn't one of those things where people are going out of their way to wring their hands over something stupid. If your neighbor owns a gun and a pit bull you're more likely to get shot than bit.

And god help you if he owns a car.
 
2013-08-21 01:51:02 PM  

johnny_vegas: hammettman: Half of all dog bites are done by pit bulls.

That is a lot more salient point than the number of fatalities IMHO


Half of reported dog bites. Chihuahuas will nip more, but no-one reports the dog.
 
2013-08-21 01:54:36 PM  
I completely agree that a bad owner can make ANY dog into a bad dog.

I also believe that bad breeding (bad genes) can make any dog into a bad dog, no matter *what* the owner/trainer does. Depending on the genes, training can make most dogs manageable.

When dogs bite you when you turn your back- they are fear aggressive. They are so afraid of you that they wait until you are retreating to attack and hope that that will keep you away for good. This is really serious because without counter-conditioning the dog's fear could get worse and worse (for example if people keep petting it when it is cowering in fear) until the dog seriously hurts someone. Guy who's brother's dogs do this- I feel bad for those poor dogs.

Ankle-biters are so bad because people *always* ignore their body language and other signs that they are afraid. A lot of these dogs just want to run and hide or go where they feel safe and then their owners drag them around to other, bigger dogs and people who the dog doesn't want to be approached by. This happens again and again and again until the dog is aggressive to these dogs and people and bites them. If the owner had paid any attention to their dog in the first place they could have completely avoided this whole situation.

Long story short, if your dog is afraid of people and growls, freezes, hides, barks, snaps, etc. when they approach- don't tell him to shut up and ignore him. Keep people the fark away from him and find an certified dog behaviourist and train, train, train your dog. He might not *ever* be a dog who loves people, big dogs, kids, but if you at least LISTEN TO HIM you can avoid having a dog that bites people and is completely unhappy.
 
2013-08-21 01:55:02 PM  

r1niceboy: johnny_vegas: hammettman: Half of all dog bites are done by pit bulls.

That is a lot more salient point than the number of fatalities IMHO

Half of reported dog bites. Chihuahuas will nip more, but no-one reports the dog.


and its a third not half.  Google works.
 
2013-08-21 01:55:25 PM  

r1niceboy: rikerdude: The 'ankle biters' are more agressive. But, when was the last time you read an article about a dachshund or a chihuahua trying to tear someones throat out?

A chihuahua would if they could. Those dogs are, by far, the most likely to snap at a person. I love all dogs, but those are so likely to be babied because of their size, and their aggression and possessiveness not corrected.


I used to work for a vet, and I learned to hate chihuahuas once they were over 6 months old. Before that they were usually tiny and terrified and sweet, but then it was like a switch flipped in them. But then I met some chihuahuas who were owned by people who actually trained them and disciplined them, and took it as seriously as if the chihuahuas were much bigger, more dangerous dogs. Those are some of the sweetest, most obedient, friendly dogs I've ever seen. Within a few hours of meeting them, I had their unneutered male chihuahua belly up in my lap, and he was sound asleep. The female only wanted to be held and cuddled, she didn't care if she knew you or not. So, just like big dogs, the little ones are a reflection of their owners.
 
2013-08-21 01:58:21 PM  

skozlaw: hammettman: Half of all dog bites are done by pit bulls.

So what?

You guys like to fling those contextless statistics like monkeys throwing poo but the reality is that when you put all the numbers together your odds of being bit by a dog of ANY breed are very low and your odds of being killed by a dog of ANY breed are extremely low.

When you count EVERY single attack together and the odds are still poor that you'll be a victim how do you justify narrowing the list even further and then screeching about it?
I just don't see how this isn't one of those things where people are going out of their way to wring their hands over something stupid. If your neighbor owns a gun and a pit bull you're more likely to get shot than bit.

And god help you if he owns a car.


hammettman - Statistics

skozlaw - so what? I'll believe what I want to believe.

Lulz!
 
2013-08-21 01:59:23 PM  

Some Coke Drinking Guy: Most pit bulls are friendly animals.  Problem is, when they do decide to clamp down on you, they have that darn lock jaw.


You have to be more careful with your sarcasm. Some people are gullible enough to actually believe stupid old wives tales like "pit bull lockjaw".
 
2013-08-21 02:00:32 PM  

elguerodiablo: Broom: Some Coke Drinking Guy: Most pit bulls are friendly animals.  Problem is, when they do decide to clamp down on you, they have that darn lock jaw.

Another bullshiat pit bull rumor. Pit bulls don't have special jaw bones.

They do in that they're strong as fark.  It's true of terriers in general.  I had to get a bird away from my Jack Russel a few weeks ago and that little guys jaw was not budging.


Oh, I certainly agree that many dogs - especially of certain breeds - have a strong clamp-on-and-hold instinct. It's how dachsunds survive the ordeal of pulling a badger from its hole - if they let go of the face at any moment, they'll be open to attack.

But a large number of people actually believe there's something different about pit bull jaws, when it's their brains that create the effect.
 
2013-08-21 02:01:01 PM  

elguerodiablo: r1niceboy: johnny_vegas: hammettman: Half of all dog bites are done by pit bulls.

That is a lot more salient point than the number of fatalities IMHO

Half of reported dog bites. Chihuahuas will nip more, but no-one reports the dog.

and its a third not half.  Google works.

 
2013-08-21 02:02:00 PM  

mbillips: Badgers: And dachshunds are the most aggressive against strangers _and_ their owners...

I hate the bastards.

Dachs = german for badger
Hund = german for dog

You can understand where i'm coming from.

Vets call them carpet sharks.


The local animal shelter does dachshund races at the local hockey rink every February for charity.  People bring their dogs, they race across the rink, winner gets a prize. I've worked this event 2 years in a row, learning that 1) Dachshunds are effing hilarious when running on ice, and 2) Backstage in the waiting room they are vicious little buggers.

Google ARL Doxie Dash if you're interested - here's an example:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgcCfxMuvwU">http://www.youtube.com/wa tch?v=OgcCfxMuvwU  I think this video even has the one that chased the mascot around the rink for a bit. Hoo boy was that dog's owner cussing the air blue.
 
2013-08-21 02:02:30 PM  

FarFarAway: r1niceboy: rikerdude: The 'ankle biters' are more agressive. But, when was the last time you read an article about a dachshund or a chihuahua trying to tear someones throat out?

A chihuahua would if they could. Those dogs are, by far, the most likely to snap at a person. I love all dogs, but those are so likely to be babied because of their size, and their aggression and possessiveness not corrected.

I used to work for a vet, and I learned to hate chihuahuas once they were over 6 months old. Before that they were usually tiny and terrified and sweet, but then it was like a switch flipped in them. But then I met some chihuahuas who were owned by people who actually trained them and disciplined them, and took it as seriously as if the chihuahuas were much bigger, more dangerous dogs. Those are some of the sweetest, most obedient, friendly dogs I've ever seen. Within a few hours of meeting them, I had their unneutered male chihuahua belly up in my lap, and he was sound asleep. The female only wanted to be held and cuddled, she didn't care if she knew you or not. So, just like big dogs, the little ones are a reflection of their owners.


No offense to you, because a lot of chihuahuas are completely out of control, but I never really can believe vets on their opinion of what dogs are nice or not. Most dogs see the vet when they are in pain (ear infection for example) or the vet gives them shots, draws blood, etc. (I can get my dog used to normal exams, but I'm not giving him dummy shots so he gets used to it!) So some dogs have extreme vet fear.
 
2013-08-21 02:03:08 PM  
www.nokilldelaware.org
 
2013-08-21 02:04:41 PM  
Anyone mention how many people were killed by pitbulls in 2013 already? check
owners of pits who say their dogs would never hurt a fly? check

thread is over.
 
2013-08-21 02:09:29 PM  

spidermilk: FarFarAway: r1niceboy: rikerdude: The 'ankle biters' are more agressive. But, when was the last time you read an article about a dachshund or a chihuahua trying to tear someones throat out?

A chihuahua would if they could. Those dogs are, by far, the most likely to snap at a person. I love all dogs, but those are so likely to be babied because of their size, and their aggression and possessiveness not corrected.

I used to work for a vet, and I learned to hate chihuahuas once they were over 6 months old. Before that they were usually tiny and terrified and sweet, but then it was like a switch flipped in them. But then I met some chihuahuas who were owned by people who actually trained them and disciplined them, and took it as seriously as if the chihuahuas were much bigger, more dangerous dogs. Those are some of the sweetest, most obedient, friendly dogs I've ever seen. Within a few hours of meeting them, I had their unneutered male chihuahua belly up in my lap, and he was sound asleep. The female only wanted to be held and cuddled, she didn't care if she knew you or not. So, just like big dogs, the little ones are a reflection of their owners.

No offense to you, because a lot of chihuahuas are completely out of control, but I never really can believe vets on their opinion of what dogs are nice or not. Most dogs see the vet when they are in pain (ear infection for example) or the vet gives them shots, draws blood, etc. (I can get my dog used to normal exams, but I'm not giving him dummy shots so he gets used to it!) So some dogs have extreme vet fear.


That's true, but it wouldn't explain why the puppies that were sweet as could be, even when they were frightened, at 8 weeks and 12 weeks and everything up to 6-7 months (before they were fixed, too) would suddenly decide to turn and be nasty. It happened every time. When they were tiny you could cuddle them and play with them and they would love on you and then BAM, they turned into snarling ankle biters. But they also had owners who wanted pocket dogs because it was fashionable, and had no interest in disciplining them. When the owners take an interest, like the owners I mentioned, the chihuahuas are wonderful, sweet, affectionate animals.
 
2013-08-21 02:13:13 PM  

ThatBillmanGuy: I work in installation and go to a lot of people's homes, so I encounter pitbulls a lot here in southern California. Besides most of them being huge with the head of a Tyrannosaurus, they've never lunged at me or tried to attack me. But they can bark the sound of the end times if I'm on the other side of the fence.

Chihuahuas on the other hand... Vicious little monsters.


Owner of 3 chihuahuas here and I can confirm. They know no fear.
 
2013-08-21 02:18:47 PM  

spidermilk: I completely agree that a bad owner can make ANY dog into a bad dog.

<snip>
When dogs bite you when you turn your back- they are fear aggressive. They are so afraid of you that they wait until you are retreating to attack and hope that that will keep you away for good. This is really serious because without counter-conditioning the dog's fear could get worse and worse (for example if people keep petting it when it is cowering in fear) until the dog seriously hurts someone. Guy who's brother's dogs do this- I feel bad for those poor dogs.
<snip>


Well, you certainly sound knowledgeable, and since I see my brother *maybe* 3 times a year I don't really know what type of environment those dogs are being raised in.  Brother always has had some anger issues, so it does make sense...

Also nice to get some validation for the work I have put into my dog.  He always attacks from the front.

/and goes for the face
//with his tongue
 
2013-08-21 02:23:40 PM  

FarFarAway: spidermilk: FarFarAway: r1niceboy: rikerdude: The 'ankle biters' are more agressive. But, when was the last time you read an article about a dachshund or a chihuahua trying to tear someones throat out?

A chihuahua would if they could. Those dogs are, by far, the most likely to snap at a person. I love all dogs, but those are so likely to be babied because of their size, and their aggression and possessiveness not corrected.

I used to work for a vet, and I learned to hate chihuahuas once they were over 6 months old. Before that they were usually tiny and terrified and sweet, but then it was like a switch flipped in them. But then I met some chihuahuas who were owned by people who actually trained them and disciplined them, and took it as seriously as if the chihuahuas were much bigger, more dangerous dogs. Those are some of the sweetest, most obedient, friendly dogs I've ever seen. Within a few hours of meeting them, I had their unneutered male chihuahua belly up in my lap, and he was sound asleep. The female only wanted to be held and cuddled, she didn't care if she knew you or not. So, just like big dogs, the little ones are a reflection of their owners.

No offense to you, because a lot of chihuahuas are completely out of control, but I never really can believe vets on their opinion of what dogs are nice or not. Most dogs see the vet when they are in pain (ear infection for example) or the vet gives them shots, draws blood, etc. (I can get my dog used to normal exams, but I'm not giving him dummy shots so he gets used to it!) So some dogs have extreme vet fear.

That's true, but it wouldn't explain why the puppies that were sweet as could be, even when they were frightened, at 8 weeks and 12 weeks and everything up to 6-7 months (before they were fixed, too) would suddenly decide to turn and be nasty. It happened every time. When they were tiny you could cuddle them and play with them and they would love on you and then BAM, they turned into snarling ankle biter ...


They're sweet when they're young because they haven't learned to fear the vet yet.  When I was a kid, we had a couple of dogs that became absolutely terrified of the vet.  Shaking, shivering, whining, and guaranteed at least one puddle of pee.  They were so bad the vet decided to try something new.  "Let's do this outside and see how they handle it."  They were great.  They got shots and everything, happy as could be.  Didn't even notice the needles.  From then on, they got their exams on the lawn.
 
2013-08-21 02:25:25 PM  
So, pitbulls are better than most breeds at killing humans.

Some say pitbulls are perfectly fine if raised properly. So are every other breed of dog (except border collies - fark those guys).

So why not just own another breed?
 
2013-08-21 02:35:05 PM  
Had a neighbour with a put-bull/mastiff mix (150# of ugly) --- All she ever wanted to was to get scritches and lick ya' till you soggy...  Little children... yep... she'd romp with them to exhaustion. To her a toddler = her puppy...   She only hated the people in the tweaker house, then again everyone on the street did. Another neighbour had a "pretty" spaniel ... who was a nasty furball of hate, no reason known... Just a mean dog from the start.  Then again a lot of pits are super strong... so one bite from them is all it takes; and a lot of them are conditioned poorly.... where another dog may not do much damage...
 
2013-08-21 02:36:03 PM  

SmackLT: If you haven't heard it, Bill Burr's bit on owning a pit bull is hilarious (language is NSFW)


Good stuff
 
2013-08-21 02:38:41 PM  
My single biggest problem with dog owners are people who let their dogs shiat on my property and don't clean it up.  This is more of a nuisance than a danger.

The only other problem I have are dog owners who irresponsibly claim that their dogs are not a danger to other pets and people, when in fact, multiple studies show that they are.  WTF is with this denial?  "Abstract: Objective: Maiming and death due to dog bites are uncommon but preventable tragedies. We postulated that patients admitted to a level I trauma center with dog bites would have severe injuries and that the gravest injuries would be those caused by pit bulls.


Conclusions: Attacks by pit bulls are associated with higher morbidity rates, higher hospital charges, and a higher risk of death than are attacks by other breeds of dogs. Strict regulation of pit bulls may substantially reduce the US mortality rates related to dog bites. [citation]


 I am not for regulation by dog breed, but farking get a clue. Stop denying that your breed is dangerous.  And spay/neuter your dog.  Try visiting an animal shelter if you don't think this is a good idea.
 
2013-08-21 02:40:04 PM  

mbillips: [www.nokilldelaware.org image 600x600]


Thanks, I was about to ask where this pic was.  /oblig
 
2013-08-21 02:40:30 PM  

hammettman: As of May 25, 2013, the USA death count from dogs in 2013 is 14. Of these, 13 people were killed by pit bulls


With such overwhelming proof that this breed is more dangerous than others, accounting for almost all deaths from dogs, what is the justification for continuing this line?  I'm not saying kill all the pitbulls, but why not require spay/neutering and simply end the line?

Don't argue small numbers, that's irrelevant.  SOME people die from dog attacks, and almost all of them are from pit bulls.  I'm not scared of being hurt or killed by a pit, but someone will be in the next few weeks whether I am or not.
 
2013-08-21 02:40:37 PM  
I haz been demonizeded.

images.buycostumes.com
 
2013-08-21 02:47:50 PM  

GnomePaladin: hammettman: As of May 25, 2013, the USA death count from dogs in 2013 is 14. Of these, 13 people were killed by pit bulls

With such overwhelming proof that this breed is more dangerous than others, accounting for almost all deaths from dogs, what is the justification for continuing this line?  I'm not saying kill all the pitbulls, but why not require spay/neutering and simply end the line?

Don't argue small numbers, that's irrelevant.  SOME people die from dog attacks, and almost all of them are from pit bulls.  I'm not scared of being hurt or killed by a pit, but someone will be in the next few weeks whether I am or not.


Well, the answer to your question is that your premise is false. Pit bulls do NOT account for nearly all deaths from dog attacks. 10 years ago, Rottweilers accounted for the majority of fatal dog attacks. German shepherds, Doberman pinschers and Huskies also have been implicated in the past as "the most dangerous breed." The fact is, the sort of irresponsible dog owners who raise dogs that kill people have latched on to pit bulls and pit bull mixes as their dog of choice. There are a LOT more pitties out there than ever before, thus the statistical jump in pit bull deaths. Rottweilers, dobies and German Shepherds are too expensive for the killer-dog owner these days; pitties are pretty much free.
 
2013-08-21 02:57:48 PM  

mbillips: e. Pit bulls do NOT account for nearly all deaths from dog attacks.


Almost all fatal dog attacks are pit bulls and rottweilers.
 
2013-08-21 02:59:50 PM  
Doberman pinschers and Huskies also have been implicated in the past as "the most dangerous breed."

Only in years where they could find less than 2 reported deaths. Small sample sizes lead to large margins of error.
 
2013-08-21 03:00:21 PM  

mbillips: GnomePaladin: hammettman: As of May 25, 2013, the USA death count from dogs in 2013 is 14. Of these, 13 people were killed by pit bulls

With such overwhelming proof that this breed is more dangerous than others, accounting for almost all deaths from dogs, what is the justification for continuing this line?  I'm not saying kill all the pitbulls, but why not require spay/neutering and simply end the line?

Don't argue small numbers, that's irrelevant.  SOME people die from dog attacks, and almost all of them are from pit bulls.  I'm not scared of being hurt or killed by a pit, but someone will be in the next few weeks whether I am or not.

Well, the answer to your question is that your premise is false. Pit bulls do NOT account for nearly all deaths from dog attacks. 10 years ago, Rottweilers accounted for the majority of fatal dog attacks. German shepherds, Doberman pinschers and Huskies also have been implicated in the past as "the most dangerous breed." The fact is, the sort of irresponsible dog owners who raise dogs that kill people have latched on to pit bulls and pit bull mixes as their dog of choice. There are a LOT more pitties out there than ever before, thus the statistical jump in pit bull deaths. Rottweilers, dobies and German Shepherds are too expensive for the killer-dog owner these days; pitties are pretty much free.


I wonder what happens to the numbers when you report the unlisted police german shepards attacking due to command into the listing.  I guess nobody wants to take a real look at those.
 
2013-08-21 03:01:25 PM  

mbillips: GnomePaladin: hammettman: As of May 25, 2013, the USA death count from dogs in 2013 is 14. Of these, 13 people were killed by pit bulls

With such overwhelming proof that this breed is more dangerous than others, accounting for almost all deaths from dogs, what is the justification for continuing this line?  I'm not saying kill all the pitbulls, but why not require spay/neutering and simply end the line?

Don't argue small numbers, that's irrelevant.  SOME people die from dog attacks, and almost all of them are from pit bulls.  I'm not scared of being hurt or killed by a pit, but someone will be in the next few weeks whether I am or not.

Well, the answer to your question is that your premise is false. Pit bulls do NOT account for nearly all deaths from dog attacks. 10 years ago, Rottweilers accounted for the majority of fatal dog attacks. German shepherds, Doberman pinschers and Huskies also have been implicated in the past as "the most dangerous breed." The fact is, the sort of irresponsible dog owners who raise dogs that kill people have latched on to pit bulls and pit bull mixes as their dog of choice. There are a LOT more pitties out there than ever before, thus the statistical jump in pit bull deaths. Rottweilers, dobies and German Shepherds are too expensive for the killer-dog owner these days; pitties are pretty much free.


You are trolling or just dumbass stupid.  (Pit bulls do NOT account for nearly all deaths from dog attacks)  From your own wiki citation, 15 of 18 deaths last year were from pits.
 
2013-08-21 03:02:44 PM  
 
2013-08-21 03:15:17 PM  

OptimusMatrix: HotWingConspiracy: http://abcnews.go.com/US/pet-pit-bull-kills-pregnant-woman-pacifica-c a lifornia/story?id=14289961

Look how wrong you are. She actually dies from a head wound falling off a ladder. But nice attempt at the fear mongering.


And it only took the dog a few hours to start eating her.

Would you like more links? They're nearly endless.
 
2013-08-21 03:16:04 PM  

hammettman: mbillips: GnomePaladin: hammettman: As of May 25, 2013, the USA death count from dogs in 2013 is 14. Of these, 13 people were killed by pit bulls

With such overwhelming proof that this breed is more dangerous than others, accounting for almost all deaths from dogs, what is the justification for continuing this line?  I'm not saying kill all the pitbulls, but why not require spay/neutering and simply end the line?

Don't argue small numbers, that's irrelevant.  SOME people die from dog attacks, and almost all of them are from pit bulls.  I'm not scared of being hurt or killed by a pit, but someone will be in the next few weeks whether I am or not.

Well, the answer to your question is that your premise is false. Pit bulls do NOT account for nearly all deaths from dog attacks. 10 years ago, Rottweilers accounted for the majority of fatal dog attacks. German shepherds, Doberman pinschers and Huskies also have been implicated in the past as "the most dangerous breed." The fact is, the sort of irresponsible dog owners who raise dogs that kill people have latched on to pit bulls and pit bull mixes as their dog of choice. There are a LOT more pitties out there than ever before, thus the statistical jump in pit bull deaths. Rottweilers, dobies and German Shepherds are too expensive for the killer-dog owner these days; pitties are pretty much free.

You are trolling or just dumbass stupid.  (Pit bulls do NOT account for nearly all deaths from dog attacks)  From your own wiki citation, 15 of 18 deaths last year were from pits.


One partial year (15 of 18 in 2013 vs. 18 of 34 in 2012) does not a clear trend make. Between 2008 and 2012, pit bulls and "pit-bull mixes" accounted for 82 out of 152 fatal attacks. That's not "nearly all," and it's an almost insignificant cause of death, half as likely as dying from an insect sting. Considering the life-lengthening effects of pet ownership, from lowered stress to getting more exercise, pit bulls probably save more lives than they take.
 
2013-08-21 03:58:21 PM  

mbillips: hammettman: mbillips: GnomePaladin: hammettman: As of May 25, 2013, the USA death count from dogs in 2013 is 14. Of these, 13 people were killed by pit bulls

With such overwhelming proof that this breed is more dangerous than others, accounting for almost all deaths from dogs, what is the justification for continuing this line?  I'm not saying kill all the pitbulls, but why not require spay/neutering and simply end the line?

Don't argue small numbers, that's irrelevant.  SOME people die from dog attacks, and almost all of them are from pit bulls.  I'm not scared of being hurt or killed by a pit, but someone will be in the next few weeks whether I am or not.

Well, the answer to your question is that your premise is false. Pit bulls do NOT account for nearly all deaths from dog attacks. 10 years ago, Rottweilers accounted for the majority of fatal dog attacks. German shepherds, Doberman pinschers and Huskies also have been implicated in the past as "the most dangerous breed." The fact is, the sort of irresponsible dog owners who raise dogs that kill people have latched on to pit bulls and pit bull mixes as their dog of choice. There are a LOT more pitties out there than ever before, thus the statistical jump in pit bull deaths. Rottweilers, dobies and German Shepherds are too expensive for the killer-dog owner these days; pitties are pretty much free.

You are trolling or just dumbass stupid.  (Pit bulls do NOT account for nearly all deaths from dog attacks)  From your own wiki citation, 15 of 18 deaths last year were from pits.

One partial year (15 of 18 in 2013 vs. 18 of 34 in 2012) does not a clear trend make. Between 2008 and 2012, pit bulls and "pit-bull mixes" accounted for 82 out of 152 fatal attacks. That's not "nearly all," and it's an almost insignificant cause of death, half as likely as dying from an insect sting. Considering the life-lengthening effects of pet ownership, from lowered stress to getting more exercise, pit bulls probably save more lives ...


OK, you're trolling.  I've been bit and I'm done here.
 
2013-08-21 04:00:10 PM  
One of the pitbulls I had as a kid did not like people coming over at all. What the dog would do is he would come up from behind, stand up, put his paws on their shoulders and push them toward the door. It was funny seeing a dog give somebody the bum's rush.
 
2013-08-21 04:20:39 PM  

FarFarAway: Digitalstrange: But that still proves a point Subby. They are aggressive only to those they are trained to be aggressive towards. Raise a pitbull as a housepet away from any other dog trained for security (this is important, dogs are pack animals and can absorb aggressive behavior from other canine members of a household) and they are sweet as hell. They tend to be very laid back animals by nature.

I have a Pit mix, and he is not at all aggressive toward people. On the contrary, he thinks people are the most awesome thing ever, and come to my house solely to see him and scratch his belly. On the rare occasion when he has not fallen instantly in love with a stranger, his immediate (and so far only) reaction is to stand between me and the person he doesn't like, and watch them. That's it. No growling, no barking, no baring of teeth. Just passive protection. Every time that has happened, the person on the receiving end of his stare has been smart enough to give him his space. But in the 11 years I've had him, that's happened maybe 5 times, and they were always strangers that came to the door wanting something.

Where I do have problems with him is with other dogs, and small animals. He's a great ratter, and he hates other male dogs with a fiery passion. Part of that is breed, part of it is his past (he was nearly killed by a pack of older male dogs when he was a puppy). So when he's around other animals, I watch him like a hawk.

Pits are awesome dogs, and I would have another mix or full blood in a heartbeat. But they require a LOT of attention and training and structure. One of the biggest mistakes people make is having more than one of them at time. As the only Pit in the household, with an owner who is aware of their needs, you won't find a sweeter, more affectionate, more loyal dog anywhere.


This.

Pits are hard work, i wouldn't recommend them to anyone who doesn't have the time to devote to training them very very well.

I love my pit, but she's a fricken handful.
 
2013-08-21 04:32:12 PM  
My pit mix is a sweetheart and loves pinning me and Mrs. daveUSMC down and licking us to death. That said, she's not a harmless can't-do-wrong little daisy. Responsible ownership means we supervise her in situations with new people or dogs, and keep her away from potentially disastrous encounters.

It's ok to realize that owning a pit is not the same as owning a puntable rat-dog while at the same time acknowledging that the mere fact that the dog is a pit bull does not mean you should construct a beach from all the sand in your vagina.
 
2013-08-21 06:07:49 PM  
There are no bad dogs, just irresponsible dog owners.
 
2013-08-21 06:08:10 PM  

hammettman: Pit bulls are harmless, as any pit bull owner will tell you.  What statistics tell you: "As of May 25, 2013, the USA death count from dogs in 2013 is 14. Of these, 13 people were killed by pit bulls."   [citation]


That's still not the whole story though.  Proportions matter, especially when it comes to 'pit bulls' when reporters and reporting officials proceed to not just include 'pit bulls' in the statistics, but pit bull crosses, other breeds that vaguely resemble pit bulls, to include bull dogs.

Pit bulls are a bit like AR-15 rifles - pit bulls are popular, defined wider than other breeds*, and while proportionally they're a minority of the attacks, when they're present they're more deadly.

johnny_vegas: hammettman: Half of all dog bites are done by pit bulls.

That is a lot more salient point than the number of fatalities IMHO


I doubt it.  I'd believe that 'half of all dog bites that require medical attention are by pit bulls'.

impaler: Some say pitbulls are perfectly fine if raised properly. So are every other breed of dog (except border collies - fark those guys).

So why not just own another breed?


Because dog owners don't want to start a vicious cycle of banning the 'new' dangerous dog breed?  I mean, in my lifespan it's been Boxers, Rottweilers, Dobermans and finally Pit Bulls that the trailer park trash people that *want* vicious dogs.  Start banning breeds and they'll just shift to the next and ruin it too.

*Under pit bull definitions, all Labradors would be one breed, not separated into black, yellow, and chocolate.
 
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