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(USA Today)   Government to atheists: "you're a religion, so church tax breaks for you"   (usatoday.com) divider line 274
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2013-08-21 09:04:58 AM
That ought to piss off everybody.
 
2013-08-21 09:08:52 AM

Majick Thise: That ought to piss off everybody.


She's arguing against the tax break, so yeah.  She's even pissing me off.
 
2013-08-21 09:14:18 AM
Government Trolling is Best Trolling.
 
2013-08-21 09:20:21 AM
I'm not a huge fan of these militant atheists, but I can agree with them there.  Religions don't deserve a tax break.
 
2013-08-21 09:25:05 AM
Goddamn it! Just take the f*cking money, you martyr!
 
2013-08-21 09:29:31 AM

serial_crusher: I'm not a huge fan of these militant atheists, but I can agree with them there.  Religions don't deserve a tax break.


In an ideal world, megachurch pastors would be abducted, tortured for no reason, shot, and their families sent a bill for the bullets.  But this is not an ideal world.  Megachurch pastors have private jets, Cayman Island bank accounts, and houses in the south of France.  All of those things are not cheap.  If they're suddenly stuck with a tax bill, I think we both know who is going to pay.

The sheeple.
 
2013-08-21 09:30:13 AM
Sure, all qualified non-profit organizations should be treated equally. Why is this a bad thing?
 
2013-08-21 09:31:16 AM
It's nice she is arguing against it. Many people would be tempted by the filthy lucre, because it's essentially the [religious people in the...] government trying to bribe her to stop arguing against religious tax breaks.
 
2013-08-21 09:31:29 AM

Marcus Aurelius: serial_crusher: I'm not a huge fan of these militant atheists, but I can agree with them there.  Religions don't deserve a tax break.

In an ideal world, megachurch pastors would be abducted, tortured for no reason, shot, and their families sent a bill for the bullets.  But this is not an ideal world.  Megachurch pastors have private jets, Cayman Island bank accounts, and houses in the south of France.  All of those things are not cheap.  If they're suddenly stuck with a tax bill, I think we both know who is going to pay.

The sheeple.



Better them than the taxpayers.

/ Until we have to pay for their food stamps.
 
2013-08-21 09:33:01 AM

Slaxl: It's nice she is arguing against it. Many people would be tempted by the filthy lucre, because it's essentially the [religious people in the...] government trying to bribe her to stop arguing against religious tax breaks.


I wouldn't care if she took advantage of the break while still arguing that she shouldn't have it.  No reason to look a gift horse in the mouth.  I've taken advantage of all sorts of tax breaks that I don't actually deserve.
 
2013-08-21 09:45:29 AM

serial_crusher: I wouldn't care if she took advantage of the break while still arguing that she shouldn't have it. No reason to look a gift horse in the mouth. I've taken advantage of all sorts of tax breaks that I don't actually deserve.


Well, personally, I wouldn't care.

But I do see a possible problem if she were to take it, over and above the idea that it's simply the principle of the thing, and that would be giving religious folks ammo for the argument that yes, atheism is a religion--see, this atheist leader even agrees! LOL!!! Now, maybe that's not a big or important problem, but it's something I would be thinking about if I were in her place. It might be setting a precedent you wouldn't want to set.
 
2013-08-21 09:56:34 AM
Our gov in Georgia decided he would put bibles in all the cabins at state parks. The atheists got involved and now the  state has to put atheist literature in all the cabins as well.  I'm hoping the satanists jump in there soon.
 
2013-08-21 10:01:09 AM

Marcus Aurelius: serial_crusher: I'm not a huge fan of these militant atheists, but I can agree with them there.  Religions don't deserve a tax break.

In an ideal world, megachurch pastors would be abducted, tortured for no reason, shot, and their families sent a bill for the bullets.  But this is not an ideal world.  Megachurch pastors have private jets, Cayman Island bank accounts, and houses in the south of France.  All of those things are not cheap.  If they're suddenly stuck with a tax bill, I think we both know who is going to pay.

The sheeple.


Don't forget their own reality shows!

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2013-08-21 10:07:32 AM

Nabb1: Sure, all qualified non-profit organizations should be treated equally. Why is this a bad thing?

 
2013-08-21 10:09:21 AM
Hm. The law in question is 26 USC 107, and in that it specifically limits the deduction to "a minister of the gospel", that would appear problematic. However, I'm effectively certain there are administrative rulings that broaden it to rabbis as well. (Cue Jewish lawyer/cheapskate jokes.)

The key question would seem to be, did the FFRF get a formal answer from the IRS to "can any other 501(c)3 claim a Parsonage exemption" to get the official negative administrative ruling before filing the lawsuit.

The reasoning in Texas Monthly v Bullock seems likely relevant for comparison.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-21 10:09:30 AM

serial_crusher: I wouldn't care if she took advantage of the break while still arguing that she shouldn't have it.  No reason to look a gift horse in the mouth.  I've taken advantage of all sorts of tax breaks that I don't actually deserve.


Taking advantage of it is a good way to show how easy it is to take advantage of.
 
2013-08-21 10:42:37 AM

serial_crusher: I'm not a huge fan of these militant atheists


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2013-08-21 10:50:44 AM

impaler: serial_crusher: I'm not a huge fan of these militant atheists

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I never noticed until now that this thing actually portrays militant atheists and militant Islamists in the same light, and militant Christianists as much worse than either of them (when viewed through conservative glasses, anyhow).
The militant Christianist is seen with a smoking gun and a dead body behind him, whereas the militant Atheist is enjoying a cup of coffee without hurting anybody and the militant Islamist is enjoying his second amendment right to bear arms without (being pictured) hurting anybody.

From a stereotypical librul viewpoint though, we could actually say that the militant atheist is the worst of them all.  The Islamist is just holding a gun and a bomb.  that's pretty bad but at least he hasn't used either one yet.  The Christianist has murdered a single person.  The Atheist, on the other hand, is drinking coffee that is not clearly labeled as organic or fair trade, and has therefore done irreparable damage to our environment and practically enslaved thousands of impoverished Colombian farm workers.
 
2013-08-21 10:57:08 AM

serial_crusher: The Atheist, on the other hand, is drinking coffee


From a pint glass?
 
2013-08-21 11:08:14 AM

impaler: serial_crusher: The Atheist, on the other hand, is drinking coffee

From a pint glass?


It's "Irish coffee."

oldernell: Our gov in Georgia decided he would put bibles in all the cabins at state parks. The atheists got involved and now the  state has to put atheist literature in all the cabins as well.  I'm hoping the satanists jump in there soon.


Why not stop beating around the bush and put middle school social studies textbooks in there?
 
2013-08-21 11:17:01 AM
FTA: The foundation also is suing the government over several nonprofit laws that govern churches. They want government to enforce rules that ban pastors from giving political endorsements and to require churches to file the same Form 990 tax returns as other charities.


Could be the bur under the saddle, right there.

If you're pushing for legal restrictions on religion, the last thing you want is to be subject to the same restrictions - especially any that might hamper your political pull.
 
2013-08-21 11:18:25 AM

impaler: serial_crusher: I'm not a huge fan of these militant atheists

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That cartoonist missed someone.
 
2013-08-21 11:24:03 AM

impaler: serial_crusher: The Atheist, on the other hand, is drinking coffee

From a pint glass?


It's probably a venti soy mocha iced frappa latte macchiato or some shiat.  It's not like he's drinking Pabst Blue Ribbon from a pint glass.
 
2013-08-21 11:35:11 AM
But government lawyers say that atheist leaders can be ministers, too, since atheism can function as a religion. So leaders of an atheist organization may qualify for the exemption.

[citation needed]
 
2013-08-21 11:48:10 AM

Amos Quito: FTA: The foundation also is suing the government over several nonprofit laws that govern churches. They want government to enforce rules that ban pastors from giving political endorsements and to require churches to file the same Form 990 tax returns as other charities.


Could be the bur under the saddle, right there.

If you're pushing for legal restrictions on religion, the last thing you want is to be subject to the same restrictions - especially any that might hamper your political pull.


It's a fairly simple arrangement at the moment, the government doesn't tax or govern churches and in return churches must stay out of politics.

Some churches haven't been staying out of politics, but the restrictions aren't being enforced due to the presumed political fallout. So the courts must intervene. Secularism is a perfectly fine political ideology and assembling a group that promotes irreligion  in government and personal lives is not a violation of the previous arrangement, since the group would not be tax-exempt and would be political in nature. The federal government is trying to weasel its way out of this whole mess by claiming atheists comprise a religion and offering the breaks that go along with it.

There have been legal restrictions on religion in this country for a very long time. If the religious institutions would like those restrictions removed, then the irreligious have great claim to having the exclusive benefits removed as well
 
2013-08-21 12:40:09 PM

manwithplanx: Amos Quito: FTA: The foundation also is suing the government over several nonprofit laws that govern churches. They want government to enforce rules that ban pastors from giving political endorsements and to require churches to file the same Form 990 tax returns as other charities.


Could be the bur under the saddle, right there.

If you're pushing for legal restrictions on religion, the last thing you want is to be subject to the same restrictions - especially any that might hamper your political pull.

It's a fairly simple arrangement at the moment, the government doesn't tax or govern churches and in return churches must stay out of politics.

Some churches haven't been staying out of politics, but the restrictions aren't being enforced due to the presumed political fallout. So the courts must intervene. Secularism is a perfectly fine political ideology and assembling a group that promotes irreligion  in government and personal lives is not a violation of the previous arrangement, since the group would not be tax-exempt and would be political in nature. The federal government is trying to weasel its way out of this whole mess by claiming atheists comprise a religion and offering the breaks that go along with it.

There have been legal restrictions on religion in this country for a very long time. If the religious institutions would like those restrictions removed, then the irreligious have great claim to having the exclusive benefits removed as well



Indeed.

And this is precisely why these secular organizations should avoid the government's FREE CANDY van.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-21 01:05:28 PM

Amos Quito: If you're pushing for legal restrictions on religion, the last thing you want is to be subject to the same restrictions - especially any that might hamper your political pull.


Especially since the cults don't follow the restrictions anyway.
 
2013-08-21 01:35:21 PM
Ijust want people to leave me alone about the god thing because I don't know shiat and neither do you.
 
2013-08-21 01:54:50 PM

oldernell: Our gov in Georgia decided he would put bibles in all the cabins at state parks. The atheists got involved and now the  state has to put atheist literature in all the cabins as well.  I'm hoping the satanists jump in there soon.


mormons, muslims and nambla !!!
 
2013-08-21 02:29:57 PM
Atheist leaders?  I don't know what the hell that's about but I don't recognize any formalized structure in my continued rejection of deism.
 
2013-08-21 02:31:33 PM

oldernell: Our gov in Georgia decided he would put bibles in all the cabins at state parks. The atheists got involved and now the  state has to put atheist literature in all the cabins as well.  I'm hoping the satanists jump in there soon.


Point of order: I'm pretty sure the state itself isn't putting any such literature in state park cabins. Rather, they're required to allow private atheist citizens to put their literature in state park cabins on the same terms that the Gideons are allowed to.
 
2013-08-21 02:31:42 PM

impaler: serial_crusher: I'm not a huge fan of these militant atheists

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the first 2 are pro second amendment rights supporting local gun businesses obviously third guy is a commihippie drinking imported beer
 
2013-08-21 02:33:21 PM

Majick Thise: That ought to piss off everybody.


So, that means it's good, right?
 
2013-08-21 02:37:16 PM
There are Secular Humanist "churches".  Couldn't they get this break before by filing the proper paperwork?
 
2013-08-21 02:38:11 PM

serial_crusher: Slaxl: It's nice she is arguing against it. Many people would be tempted by the filthy lucre, because it's essentially the [religious people in the...] government trying to bribe her to stop arguing against religious tax breaks.

I wouldn't care if she took advantage of the break while still arguing that she shouldn't have it.  No reason to look a gift horse in the mouth.  I've taken advantage of all sorts of tax breaks that I don't actually deserve.


What's your opinion on Ayn Rand taking social security?
 
2013-08-21 02:41:10 PM
Ugh. My head hurts.
 
2013-08-21 02:41:34 PM

Amos Quito: FTA: The foundation also is suing the government over several nonprofit laws that govern churches. They want government to enforce rules that ban pastors from giving political endorsements and to require churches to file the same Form 990 tax returns as other charities.


Could be the bur under the saddle, right there.

If you're pushing for legal restrictions on religion, the last thing you want is to be subject to the same restrictions - especially any that might hamper your political pull.


Atheists have political pull?
 
2013-08-21 02:41:42 PM
There are atheistic religions, as not all religions are theistic.

At any rate, *no one* should be allowed to be tax exempt.  I don't care who they are or what they believe.  Pay taxes.
 
2013-08-21 02:43:14 PM

kronicfeld: Nabb1: Sure, all qualified non-profit organizations should be treated equally. Why is this a bad thing?


I think this was a deduction concerning housing for the ministry. Government is saying that atheists can claim it. I think not. Just like the redcross cannot claim it, the boyscouts can't claim it, and AIPAC can't claim it.
 
2013-08-21 02:43:21 PM
Atheism is not a religion.
Stop trying to turn it into one.
You'll screw it up for those of us who know there are no gods.
 
2013-08-21 02:43:57 PM
Atheism is a religion the central tenet of which makes a claim about a topic which lies outside the realm of human knowledge.

To be an Atheist is to hold a belief about the non-existence of God based on nothing but pure faith.
 
2013-08-21 02:47:54 PM

Fart_Machine: Amos Quito: FTA: The foundation also is suing the government over several nonprofit laws that govern churches. They want government to enforce rules that ban pastors from giving political endorsements and to require churches to file the same Form 990 tax returns as other charities.


Could be the bur under the saddle, right there.

If you're pushing for legal restrictions on religion, the last thing you want is to be subject to the same restrictions - especially any that might hamper your political pull.

Atheists have political pull?



They certainly have political interests - such as working to prevent government from being overrun by fundies.

Don't you think?
 
2013-08-21 02:49:54 PM
Uh, I guess "none of the above" is a religion. Does that make abstinence a sexual orientation?
 
2013-08-21 02:49:54 PM

Amos Quito: impaler: serial_crusher: I'm not a huge fan of these militant atheists

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That cartoonist missed someone.


Militant Buddhists?

/sitting around on fire?
 
2013-08-21 02:50:06 PM
Or, you know, crazy idea:  No tax breaks for any religions.  I'll even be generous:  No tax breaks for any religious organization with a gross revenue over $100,000 per year.  But, even if you're under the cap, utter one word about a ballot issue of any kind and *wham* you get taxed, retroactively to your initiation date.

The deal is simple:  The government doesn't tax religious organizations as long as they stay out of politics and do charitable, apolitical, common-good works with their revenues.  Start funding hate-fueled anti-minority legislation, or spewing anti-government rants, or supporting any specific political candidates, or making any other political comment?  Yeah, you need to be taxed into oblivion.
 
2013-08-21 02:50:42 PM

oldernell: Our gov in Georgia decided he would put bibles in all the cabins at state parks. The atheists got involved and now the  state has to put atheist literature in all the cabins as well.  I'm hoping the satanists jump in there soon.



GOOD!

It'd be a shame if Rocky Raccoon were to fall back into his room, only to find Gideon's Bible.
 
2013-08-21 02:51:35 PM

Aristocles: Atheism is a religion the central tenet of which makes a claim about a topic which lies outside the realm of human knowledge.

To be an Atheist is to hold a belief about the non-existence of God based on nothing but pure faith.


Uh-huh. Did you also know that not collecting stamps is a hobby?
 
2013-08-21 02:52:27 PM
Sooooo... if that means everyone is religious, why even have a term for it? Jesus Christ.
 
2013-08-21 02:52:52 PM

whither_apophis: Amos Quito: impaler: serial_crusher: I'm not a huge fan of these militant atheists

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That cartoonist missed someone.

Militant Buddhists?

/sitting around on fire?


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-08-21 02:53:39 PM
Words have meanings.

Why should churches not be taxed?
 
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